From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V7 #354 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Sunday, December 29 2002 Volume 07 : Number 354 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: npr cloning ["Pierce, Marshall" ] Re: npr cloning [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: npr cloning [Cyberfan Corporation ] npr cloning.. belly button ["Carolyn K" ] Re[2]: npr cloning [Jorrit Harssema ] Re: npr cloning.. belly button [KrodKnid@aol.com] RE: npr cloning.. belly button ["Pierce, Marshall" Subject: RE: npr cloning Odd you should use that term, "just my two cents" Is that a clone penny? If so, does it have the same value as the first? If no, is it really two cents? You might think that is just silly talk, but if you take it metaphorically, then it can equal a pseudo-profound statement. BTW, some idiot in Italy is already doing a human clone. I don't think the science in making a clone is hard, I just don't think our ethics has caught up with our ingenuity, which is of course, nothing new. Happy New Year!! And I'm haunted By the lives that I have loved And actions I have hated Marshall R Pierce IFAS ITCS University of Florida Phone:846-1832 E-Mail:mrpierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu AIM:MPierce559 Web Page: http://plaza.ufl.edu/mrpierce/ - -----Original Message----- From: LolipopFailure@aol.com [mailto:LolipopFailure@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 11:37 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: npr cloning i think these people are nuts....have you heard about their "religious sect" [read: cult] i think no good can come out of cloning humans. but thats just my two cents ...and the way the rain comes down hard...that's how i feel inside.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:40:37 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: npr cloning In a message dated 12/28/2002 2:01:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, MRPierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > Odd you should use that term, "just my two cents" Is that a clone penny? If > so, does it have the same value as the first? If no, is it really two > cents? > You might think that is just silly talk, but if you take it metaphorically, > then it can equal a pseudo-profound statement. BTW, some idiot in Italy is > already doing a human clone. I don't think the science in making a clone is > hard, I just don't think our ethics has caught up with our ingenuity, which > is of course, nothing new. Happy New Year!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey! They have been cloning rock bands for years! Heh, heh.... The upside to human cloning will be that, at some point, they will get it down to the degree that they can clone organs instead of a whole human. In that event it will be possible for us to have clones of all our vital organs stored in an organ bank in case we need a transplant. No more organ rejection problems! No more waiting on a list for someone to die to get a heart when your own is about to go. No more lung removal in the event of cancer...you get it replaced instead. Etc, etc.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:31:37 -0700 (MST) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: Re: npr cloning I am curious if the child was born in the united states... Making this kid a US citizen... ******************************************************************* JK/// Jarrod Kniff Cyberfan Corporation jarrod@cyberfan.com ******************************************************************* http://www.poe.org http://www.shakedown.st ******************************************************************* On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 LivTheMdns@aol.com wrote: > > All the animal cloning going on has so far produced clones who are deformed, > ill and age prematurely. Dolly the sheep has arthritis already. So > irresponsible. I feel sorry for the clone (assuming they actually did manage > to create a clone, which is doubtful). > > > LTM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:59:33 -0500 From: "Carolyn K" Subject: npr cloning.. belly button I am curious... Do you think human clones will have a belly button?? I heard somewhere that the belly button is how they expect clones and natural born humans to be distinguished. From: KrodKnid@aol.com To: LolipopFailure@aol.com, angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: npr cloning Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 17:34:57 EST In a message dated 12/27/2002 3:36:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, LolipopFailure@aol.com writes: > well this is the most disturbing thing i've heard...what are your alls > thoughts? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have any, I'm a clone. Mwahahahahahaha! _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:30:19 +0100 From: Jorrit Harssema Subject: Re[2]: npr cloning > I am curious... Do you think human clones will have a belly button?? I > heard somewhere that the belly button is how they expect clones and natural > born humans to be distinguished. Yes, I think they will have belly-buttons (the current generation of clones at least :)). I think the "artificial embryos" are inserted in the womb very early, and develop like "normal" babies from that moment on. At least, I think that's the procedure that is followed by the Italian doctor Antinori, who claims that his cloned human will be born in January. I don't know how those Raelians did it, but I guess that their clone didn't grow in a test tube either, so it will have an an umbilical cord, and so it will have a belly button :) Jorrit ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:41:10 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: npr cloning.. belly button In a message dated 12/28/2002 7:00:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, sparrkle_goddess@hotmail.com writes: > I am curious... Do you think human clones will have a belly button?? I > heard somewhere that the belly button is how they expect clones and natural > > born humans to be distinguished. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Well, by the current method of cloning, it would have to have a belly > button. It needs the cord to feed if it is implanted into a host mother. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:59:56 -0500 From: "Pierce, Marshall" Subject: RE: npr cloning.. belly button Yup, nice little belly button to go with its Xeroxed soul...=) - -----Original Message----- From: KrodKnid@aol.com [mailto:KrodKnid@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 7:41 PM To: sparrkle_goddess@hotmail.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: npr cloning.. belly button In a message dated 12/28/2002 7:00:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, sparrkle_goddess@hotmail.com writes: > I am curious... Do you think human clones will have a belly button?? I > heard somewhere that the belly button is how they expect clones and natural > > born humans to be distinguished. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Well, by the current method of cloning, it would have to have a belly > button. It needs the cord to feed if it is implanted into a host mother. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:02:43 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: npr cloning.. belly button In a message dated 12/28/2002 8:00:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, MRPierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > Yup, nice little belly button to go with its Xeroxed soul...=) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I believe they get the souls from Intel. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:12:37 -0500 From: "Pierce, Marshall" Subject: RE: npr cloning.. belly button Well, certainly not from AMD...Because if it was from AMD they would get more done in less time, and cost a crap load less as well...However that is a rant I shall not start...=) However, I am a little uncertain of what the spiritual ramifications of cloning would be, I'm still not sure of MY soul yet!! - -----Original Message----- From: KrodKnid@aol.com [mailto:KrodKnid@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 8:03 PM To: MRPierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu; sparrkle_goddess@hotmail.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: npr cloning.. belly button In a message dated 12/28/2002 8:00:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, MRPierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu writes: Yup, nice little belly button to go with its Xeroxed soul...=) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe they get the souls from Intel. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:55:19 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: npr cloning.. belly button In a message dated 12/28/2002 8:12:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, MRPierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > Well, certainly not from AMD...Because if it was from AMD they would get > more done in less time, and cost a crap load less as well...However that is > a rant I shall not start...=) However, I am a little uncertain of what the > spiritual ramifications of cloning would be, I'm still not sure of MY soul > yet!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we can assume that the "living soul" (or "quick soul") of a human being is a piece of "the oneness" of the spirit of God which has been seperated out by being matrixed in a flesh-mesh...ie: the oneness is still one, but the subjective mind of the individual soul can't apprehend this in any concrete sense...then we can assume that clones will, indeed, have souls. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:34:39 EST From: LolipopFailure@aol.com Subject: Re: npr cloning.. belly button okay, i'll say now, i'm religous, so my veiws may be biased. i think clones cannot have souls, because they aren't created of God. it is Gods job to create life....and i don't think God likes being demoted. ...and the way the rain comes down hard...that's how i feel inside.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:16:03 -0500 From: "Andrea E. Jackman" Subject: Re: npr cloning.. belly button everyone is entitled to spiritual thought, but i think KrodKnid was closer to the truth about oneness in that strange and beautiful unified theory way. and i think if there were such a thing as god it would be a woman creatrice female essence and would probably appreciate the help. these parents who bring themselves forward into the future through children, now bring themselves out AS their children, as themselves, and in some of these cases, versions of their dead children, who of course, will only be replicas, never the same inside, never the same joys or traumas. hey -- we create environmental conditions that kill us prematurely, we destroy each other, why not create our simplistic if not warped version of life. ///Andrea littleREDelf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:27:00 EST From: NoisyPollution@aol.com Subject: Re: npr cloning.. belly button I agree. I don't dislike cloning for spiritual reasons, because I can't personally speak for whatever creator is up there, I can't really say, "God hates this or God hates that..." But I will say that cloning people (this has nothing to do with stem cell research) serves no purpose whatsoever and the chances of birth defects are pretty high after the birth defects occurred when cloning animals. So.... yeah. Cloning sucks, but so does everything else that's going on in the world. We as humans fuck up everything in the world, so what's one more catastrophe going to do, heh. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:36:50 EST From: LolipopFailure@aol.com Subject: Check out Boners: I don't want to eat here Click here: Boners: I don't want to eat here ...and the way the rain comes down hard...that's how i feel inside.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:37:42 EST From: LolipopFailure@aol.com Subject: npr oh no oh no oh no!!! AHH!!! sorry about the last post, i meant to mail it to a friend (whos email begins with a)...the computer auto finished the addy and i just hit enter! so sorry guys! ...and the way the rain comes down hard...that's how i feel inside.... ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V7 #354 ***********************************