From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V7 #247 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Sunday, September 1 2002 Volume 07 : Number 247 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NPR: Morpheus Down The Crapper [Kate Harper ] NPR: Madster ["crack head" ] Re: NPR: Madster [KrodKnid@aol.com] NPR- Madster-NPR ["BadBender" ] Re: Madster ["brendles" ] Re: Madster [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR- Madster- Find any file. ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: NPR: Morpheus Down The Crapper [Jorrit Harssema ] Re: NPR: Morpheus Down The Crapper [KrodKnid@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 05:17:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Kate Harper Subject: Re: NPR: Morpheus Down The Crapper > > I've been using KaZaa, which I thougth was Morpheus, only better. I heard recently though that KaZaa sells your CPU power to businesses who then use your computer in much the same way that SETI works. Does anyone else know anything about this?<<< this is indeed true. they started doing this several months ago- a search on the net will bring up all sorts of articles about it. here's one I found: Caution! Don't let Brilliant hijack your PC David Coursey, Executive Editor, AnchorDesk Wednesday, April 3, 2002 Brilliant Digital Entertainment is the latest in a string of companies that seem to think Internet users are stupid. In this case, stupid enough to let Brilliant take over your computer for its own gain--without compensating you. Don't let them! Here's the story: Brilliant has been distributing its 3D advertising technology along with Kazaa's file-swapping software since last fall. But recently Brilliant started sending out additional software that would turn every computer running Kazaa into a node on Brilliant's own network. We know this because ZDNet's John Borland uncovered the story yesterday while reading a federal securities filing in which Brilliant described its plan to use end users' computers for distribution and file storage. It might also siphon off your unused processing power to have your computer do work on behalf of Brilliant's clients. Brilliant's clandestine network is based on a piece of software called "Altnet Secureinstall," which is bundled with the Kazaa software. That technology can connect to other peer-to-peer networks, ad servers, or file servers independently of the Kazaa software, and can be automatically updated to add new features. WHILE BRILLIANT promises that customers will be given a chance to opt-in (or not, I suppose) before the network is turned on, and that some compensation will be offered, the company is under no obligation to do so. That's because buried in the fine print of the Kazaa user agreement is the following: "You hereby grant (Brilliant) the right to access and use the unused computing power and storage space on your computer/s and/or Internet access or bandwidth for the aggregation of content and use in distributed computing. The user acknowledges and authorizes this use without the right of compensation." You have to agree to those terms before you can use the Kazaa file-swapping service. MY BET is that the company really will offer some trifling incentive for people to opt in--forever--before turning on its network. But that deal is one-sided: You have no way of knowing what your excess bandwidth and processor power is actually worth. Maybe Brilliant should give everyone who opts-in a share of its stock so everyone can share in the wealth the company hopes to create. Beyond questions of propriety and security--is the software safe from hackers?--you have to wonder: How are we supposed to trust Brilliant when they've already snuck their software onto millions of machines? Brilliant is not the only company trying to pull some version of this trick on users. Kontiki and Red Swoosh are also in the business of using other people's machines and bandwidth to distribute their own (and their clients') content. I don't know enough about these two companies to toss them into the same pile with Brilliant. But I suspect they are very close. MAYBE SOMEDAY a company like Brilliant will be honest with us, explaining its intentions upfront, and giving users a chance to opt-in and receive fair compensation in return if they do. When that happens, maybe we will decide to say yes to the offer. I can't imagine why we would, given the privacy and other risks involved, but at least we should be given the chance to consider the offer. But since Brilliant has already missed the opportunity to be candid about its plans--and the software it's installed on millions of users' machines--I urge everyone to dump Kazaa and, in the process, send Brilliant packing. In doing so, you'll be protecting your computer, the Internet, and sending a message to slimeball companies about what is--and isn't--acceptable behavior. Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:40:55 -0400 From: "crack head" Subject: NPR: Madster Well, I tried to download Madster, but it said I had to be a member, and to be a member I had to pay $4.95. Anything else out there any good? Someone mentioned a program that sounded like a Microsoft-run file-sharing program... Also to whomever posted the article about Kazaa... THANKS! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:24:56 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Madster In a message dated 8/31/2002 8:41:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dolphin100580@hotmail.com writes: > Well, I tried to download Madster, but it said I had to be a member, and > to be a member I had to pay $4.95. Anything else out there any good? > Someone mentioned a program that sounded like a Microsoft-run > file-sharing program... Also to whomever posted the article about > Kazaa... THANKS! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WinMX - The best way to share your media http://www.winmx.com/ And while you're at it, get AdAware so you can delete all the freakin' spyware you have probably accumulated from using AudioGalaxy/Kazaa/Morpheus/BearShare/LimeWire/et al. Welcome to Lavasoft http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:04:39 -0500 From: "BadBender" Subject: NPR- Madster-NPR That's weird. After Napster took that torpedo hit about 2 years ago I found Aimster and it was free. Then they changed the name to Madster and I guess started charging people. I must have a special version that works but I never need to pay anything. I had it before they had the idea to make money with this. I went to the site and ,like you said, they want $4.95. I'll search for the link to the free version, it's out there somewhere........ > Well, I tried to download Madster, but it said I had to be a member, and > to be a member I had to pay $4.95. Anything else out there any good? > Someone mentioned a program that sounded like a Microsoft-run > file-sharing program... Also to whomever posted the article about > Kazaa... THANKS! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:21:43 -0500 From: "brendles" Subject: Re: Madster That may have been me. I use WinMX and really like it...no pop-ups and no spyware. You can check it out at http://www.winmx.com/ Hope that helps! Bren > Someone mentioned a program that sounded like a Microsoft-run > file-sharing program... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:29:39 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Madster In a message dated 8/31/2002 10:21:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, brendles@prodigy.net writes: > That may have been me. I use WinMX and really like it...no pop-ups and no > spyware. > You can check it out at http://www.winmx.com/ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus with WinMX, even though it is primarily a music, video, and picture sharing program...with a default setting to search for MP3s only...you can still search for application files and warez and such by selecting "any non-MP3 file" for the seach criteria. I also like that you can be selective about what bitrate you want for MP3s and what connection you will accept (like 128kISDN or better). That eliminates a lot of crapola from your seach results. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:36:22 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: NPR- Madster- Find any file. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "BadBender" To: "crack head" ; Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 10:04 AM Subject: NPR- Madster-NPR . I'll > search for the link to the free version, it's out there somewhere........ > Get your favorite version of your favorite software. If you know the name of the exacuteable, .zip etc.. and it is on an FTP site find it here. http://www.filesearching.com/advanced/ sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 07:40:48 -0700 From: "mike brame" Subject: NPR: Free file sharing software Ok, I have nothing against file sharing software and downloading mp3s. Like I said earlier, I download mp3s myself and what I like I go to the store and buy. That being said, why balk at a $4.95 price tag? Do you think that is too much to charge for the time and effort someone took to write software for you to use that is not subsidised by ads and popups? Or is the argument something like: "I don't feel like I should have to pay someone for doing what they like to do anyway." Yes, some people do write these programs just for fun. I'm sure our lovely P*E loves making music, you did buy her CDs, right? In any event, once I get some free time I have been wanting to play around with Java a bit. Maybe I'll code up a file sharing program for the AP list, free of charge, spyware free. Maybe call it AproPOE or something ;) Later y'all, Mike Limewire Pro user _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 19:33:06 +0200 From: Jorrit Harssema Subject: Re: NPR: Morpheus Down The Crapper For all the Kazaa fans who hate spyware etc: try Kazaa Lite. It is stripped of all bonzai buddys, spyware, etc. Only the pop-ups arent' entirely gone. There should be a program called "Diet kazaa" out there that removes the pop-ups, but I donn't know where. You can download it at http://doa2.host.sk/ Or try directly at: http://download-1.a13-aktuell.com/p2p/kazaa/kazaa_lite_172_english.exe Jorrit ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:07:11 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Morpheus Down The Crapper In a message dated 8/31/2002 1:37:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jorrit@poe.org writes: > For all the Kazaa fans who hate spyware etc: try Kazaa Lite. It is > stripped of all bonzai buddys, spyware, etc. Only the pop-ups arent' > entirely gone. There should be a program called "Diet kazaa" out there > that removes the pop-ups, but I donn't know where. > > You can download it at http://doa2.host.sk/ > Or try directly at: > http://download-1.a13-aktuell.com/p2p/kazaa/kazaa_lite_172_english.exe > > Jorrit > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why bother. WinMX is better than Kazaa, and has NEVER used ANY spyware or popups. ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V7 #247 ***********************************