From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V7 #243 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Wednesday, August 28 2002 Volume 07 : Number 243 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NPR-Re: APs? Fighting? Naaaaaaah ["BadBender" ] Re: Has anyone else noticed... [PURPLMOJO@aol.com] Re: New from TyM@n: Po-toon gear [PURPLMOJO@aol.com] Zen and the art of the AP list. ["BirdBlack" ] Please help me. ["Chris Baber" ] NPR-Re: Please help me.-NPR ["BadBender" ] RAINN EVENT... on POE.ORG [Cyberfan Corporation ] Re: Zen and the art of the AP list. [bash ] NPR police database of future suspects ["sp00k@poe.org" ] NPR: How to look like a complete fool [Davey08@aol.com] NPR: More RIAA Information... A necessary evil??? [Cyberfan Corporation <] NPR-Re: More RIAA Information... A necessary evil??? ["BadBender" ] NPR-FAVORITE MUSIC VIDEOS-NPR ["Conor Riley" ] Re: NPR-FAVORITE MUSIC VIDEOS-NPR [HauntedIcicle@aol.com] Re: NPR-FAVORITE MUSIC VIDEOS-NPR ["Conor Riley" ] Re: NPR CPU COOLING [KrodKnid@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:32:35 -0500 From: "BadBender" Subject: NPR-Re: APs? Fighting? Naaaaaaah I think it's fun. Sometimes we go days are a week without anything from this list. I was beginning to think I was removed from the list without my knowledge. So people argue, that's OK with me, as soon as I don't see anything worth reading I delete it. No hard feelings, no regret, on to the next email right? Life is full of amazing things, when ever this list gets you down just remember to be grateful that you live in a country that allows you to voice your opinion. > > When I was in 10th grade, I wouldn't go out with this guy, and he spread > around the entire school that I was a lesbian, and I told everyone what an > asshole he was, and I still don't like him, and if I ever saw him the the > street I'd give him a nasty look and be really rude to him. > > Sound familiar? > > No, it's not high school regression, folks, it's the AP mailing list. Ok, so > normally, I'm a lurker, and I know that probably by sending this e-mail I'm > just stirring up another flame war, etc., but I've sat through...geez, it > must be months of this now...and I finally had to open my big mouth. How old > are we people?? Not that I'm all that mature myself, and I have > agreed/disagreed with some of the e-mails flying around, but I don't want > this to get like it was when I was at school again. If I didn't check my > e-mail for a week, I would have over 200 e-mails in my inbox, a few junk > mail, but mostly flame-wars from the AP list. I understand conflict makes the > world go round, but this is ridiculous! If I had wanted to deal with high > school bullshit, I would have stayed in high school. > The reason we're all on this list is because we all love Poe. As much as I > can't stand the pop scene, I'll bet the Britney Spears mailing list (if such > a thing exists...which it probably does) doesn't go through half the fighting > the APs do, and that's mostly 12 year old girls on that list (I apologize in > advance to any Britney Spears fans, but she's just not my thing). > > So anywho, build your bridges, get over them...and then burn them behind you. > > ~Cara > > P.S. for any of you who care, yes, the opening story is true, only I only I > don't give 2 shits about the kid who started the rumor...Life's got enough > shit, why focus on the little things? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:55:47 EDT From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com Subject: Re: Has anyone else noticed... In a message dated 8/26/2002 7:55:34 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, littleredelf@comcast.net writes: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Conor Riley" > > This is just a mailing list not an Information center, when you sign up > you don't get a handbook... > although maybe you should from now on. > > ________________________________________ > > Don't let sp00k hear you say that , , , > and not a bad idea . . . an extended handbook > for procedure and non-mentionables. > > ///Andrea From what I remember when you sign up your supposed to get a email with the FAQ's. don't know if thats still the case, but used to be.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 03:05:09 EDT From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com Subject: Re: New from TyM@n: Po-toon gear In a message dated 8/26/2002 9:26:38 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, VR5SBloom@aol.com writes: > > http://toongear.com/po-toon > Cool stuff Ty man i'll definatly be purchasing some things soon.. love the one with poe raking her nails. You should have a table at the Psycho bash i'm sure you'll make a killing . That is if people don't gamble all their money away first ::laughs:: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 05:43:55 -0500 From: "BirdBlack" Subject: Zen and the art of the AP list. What is the AP list? Is it just a mailing list about Poe? I think not. The AP list is something that ties a group of people together ostensibly to get information about Poe, but when there is no Poe information to get,.. then why doesn't it simply go dormant? The reason is because it is also a type of virtual community. There are a few vocal members but most just listen. So, if it is a community, what is it's purpose now? Poe brings out the very human parts of us all. It is in those emotions that we find the need for others who "get it" like we do. Now, does this community have leaders? I would have to say no. If it had leaders, then it would be very different. In any other sort of an organization, respect is not just requested, it is required. Here we face the problem of anonymity bullies. They are brave because we can't go knock on their door and make them explain themselves. Because we are spread around the globe, the normal ways of enforcing a code of conduct don't apply. We can't choose not to do business with someone and expect them to notice and correct their behavior. Because of this, we are all in a sense held hostage. To see the words of someone I enjoy dealing with, I must put up with those I don't. Now, what are the reasonable responses to someone who can't control themselves in an email format? Well, some would say deleting the mail unread is the answer. I personally disagree. That simply allows the out of control person to hijack the entire forum for communication for their satisfaction. The only way to deal with the situation is to fight fire,.. with fire,.. however not in the traditional sense. The problem is not the human being, it's their inability to control anger. So, how do we attack anger? You can't attack it by appealing to others on the list, for they already either agree or disagree with the malcontent. The answer is,.. you feed it. The angrier the malcontent gets, the more extreme and less justifiable they become until they stand alone, knee deep in their own oral fecal matter. If anyone reading this doubts I am talking about sp00k, then they are either very new, or long ago put an auto delete on sp00k's mail. A very old way of saying you were confident of victory would be to say, "I laugh in the face of my enemy!". This is precisely what I do. He has anger that he is not strong enough to control, and so he releases it to the list in the attempt to spread the anger, thereby releasing some of the poison he can't deal with personally. In many ways I pity him. It must be terrible to live like that. Either he lives a duel life, or none at all, for nobody would choose to stay in his physical presence if he treated them with the respect that he does members of this list. It takes a control and a bravery to deal with life in a civil tone. If he is not brave enough to even conduct an email conversation with tact, what demons haunt him as he lies alone in bed, with nobody to torment but himself? However, I can't allow that pity to keep me from expressing my disapproval of his puerile and immature methods. Toward that end, I read his mail as though it were on the front page of the Inquirer. Almost without fail I get a chuckle or two out of it. He has said enough about me that were distortions and lies that I don't believe what he says about anyone else now. The last thing I recall him calling me was a clown. That is the most accurate thing he has said so far. I am a clown. I will laugh, and smile and joke and have fun and enjoy life. When something he says gives me the urge for satire, I'll send it out for my own enjoyment. However nothing he says,.. nothing, will give me cause to do anything but laugh, or in the worst case,.. pity him. So, without further delay,.. I'll feed the beast! Now, why don't we all get together for a nice MSN chat and talk it over? Come on over and check out http://angry-psychos.infopop.cc/ As it is the ONLY place to get news on Poe! I so command it, as one of the ALL POWERFUL Admins! Pay no attention to that man behind the shot glass, for I am the great and powerful BirdBlack! How many A.P.s does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Nobody knows, anytime some tries to illuminate anything, sp00k takes pot shots at 'em! Toodles,.. see you soon sp00kie baby. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:16:21 -0500 From: "Chris Baber" Subject: Please help me. It seems most people have forgotten about the NPR rule. Please use the NPR tag in your subject if you need to argue about what to call your computer, or some new virus youve encountered. I just finished looking through 153 emails and about 75% werent at all POE related. thanks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:07:07 -0500 From: "BadBender" Subject: NPR-Re: Please help me.-NPR You mean like this? ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > It seems most people have forgotten about the NPR rule. Please use the > NPR tag in your subject if you need to argue about what to call your > computer, or some new virus youve encountered. I just finished looking > through 153 emails and about 75% werent at all POE related. > > thanks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:15:38 -0700 (MST) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: RAINN EVENT... on POE.ORG Hey all... Thanks to SHELLe Productions, POE.ORG has a great review of the RAINN event... complete with pics, etc. Please check it out... http://www.poe.org On the HOME PAGE you will see a line that says "FRESH READING - RAIN EVENT" - click there or you can go to the reading section and go into 2002. Thanks - Please pull forward. ******************************************************************* JK/// Jarrod Kniff Cyberfan Corporation jarrod@cyberfan.com ******************************************************************* http://www.poe.org http://www.shakedown.st ******************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:55:20 -0700 From: bash Subject: Re: Zen and the art of the AP list. BirdBlack wrote: >>Now, what are the reasonable responses to someone who can't control themselves in an email format? Well, some would say deleting the mail unread is the answer. I personally disagree. That simply allows the out of control person to hijack the entire forum for communication for their satisfaction.<< Nonsense, completely illogical. If Sp00k is filtered or deleted, his email is little more than pissing into a void - a waste of energy on his part, because it isn't being read. You can't hijack an entire forum when you don't even reach a person's inbox. There is very little Sp00k in *my* AP list mail, because I filter him straight to my trash bin, and when I notice someone has replied to him to taunt him as you suggest, I trash that reply, too. What I get is a list with some cool people talking about other things. All the chain pullers who egg on Sp00k and Dan and this ridiculous fight are just as addicted to the drama as they accuse those two of being. But, thanks to the filters, my own personal AP list has very little of that, and is not at all hijacked. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:19:41 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: NPR police database of future suspects http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/nation/1548489 Aug. 25, 2002, 10:00PM Delaware police compile database of future suspects Associated Press WILMINGTON, Del. -- Police in Delaware are trying to get a head-start on cracking crimes before they happen by setting up a database that contains a list of people who officers believe are likely to break the law. Defense attorneys and the American Civil Liberties Union oppose the database, which lists names, addresses and photographs of the potential suspects -- many of whom have clean slates. The precise grounds for putting a person on the list aren't clear. But since the system was introduced in Wilmington in June, most of the 200 people included in the file have been minorities from poor, high-crime neighborhoods. State and federal prosecutors say the tactic is legal, but defense lawyers object to the practice. "We should enforce the existing laws, but not violate them, to catch the bad guys," said Theo Gregory, City Councilman and public defender. "We've become the bad guys, and that's not right." Mayor James Baker called the criticism "asinine and intellectually bankrupt." "I don't care what anyone but a court of law thinks," he said. "Until a court says otherwise, if I say it's constitutional, it's constitutional." The pictures are being taken by two Wilmington police squads created in June to arrest drug dealers. The units are known in some neighborhoods as "jump-out squads" because they jump out of cars and make quick arrests. Many of the people whose photos have been taken for the file were stopped briefly for loitering and let go. sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:26:37 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: NPR 1 of Every 32 Americans in Prison or on Parole/Probation NPR 1 of Every 32 Americans in Prison or on Parole/Probation http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/3188683.html More than 6 million Americans behind bars or on probation or parole Associated Press Published Aug 26, 2002 PRIS26 WASHINGTON, D.C. -- One in every 32 adults in the United States was behind bars or on probation or parole by the end of last year, according to a government report released Sunday that found a record 6.6 million people in the nation's correctional system. The number of adults under supervision by the criminal justice system rose by 147,700, or 2.3 percent, between 2000 and 2001, the Justice Department reported. In 1990, almost 4.4 million adults were incarcerated or being supervised. "The overall figures suggest that we've come to rely on the criminal justice system as a way of responding to social problems in a way that's unprecedented," said Marc Mauer, assistant director of the Sentencing Project, an advocacy and research group that favors alternatives to incarceration. "We're setting a new record every day." Almost 4 million people were on probation, 2.8 percent more than in 2000, while the number of people in prison grew by 1.1 percent to 1.3 million, the smallest annual increase in nearly three decades. More than half of those on probation -- 53 percent -- had been convicted of felonies, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics report. Experts noted the recent trend of arrests declined for murder, rape and other violent crimes. Many of those on probation were convicted of using illegal drugs or driving while intoxicated, the report showed. In addition, some states have eliminated mandatory minimum sentences for certain crimes. California's Proposition 36, passed in 2000 with 61 percent of the vote, requires treatment rather than incarceration for nonviolent drug offenders. Most of those drug users wind up on probation. "The collection of reforms, from drug courts to treatment in lieu of incarceration to sentence reforms like getting rid of mandatory minimums and expanding community correction options, have the effect of redirecting people from prison to probation," said Nick Turner, director of national programs for the Vera Institute of Justice. The nonprofit research group works with governments on criminal justice issues. The government report found that 46 percent of those discharged from parole in 2001 had met the conditions of supervision, while 40 percent went back to jail or prison for violations. Texas had more adults under correctional supervision than any other state, 755,100. California was second with 704,900. The number in Minnesota was 128,100, according to the report. Whites accounted for 55 percent of those on probation, while blacks made up 31 percent, statistics show. On the other hand, 46 percent of those incarcerated were black and 36 percent were white. sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:36:03 -0700 (MST) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: NPR: OpenDNS to Deny RIAA I thought some peeps would like to see this... NOTE: OpenDNS is a business of a friend of mine and he is a pretty big player... PEERING with a lot of people / companies. So this position has impact and responsibility to freedom. JK/// ************************************************************************* OpenDNS to Protect Its Customers Privacy & Security Calgary, Alberta, -- Aug 21, 2002 OpenDNS Corp is announcing it will actively deny the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) from accessing the contents of its network. This year, the RIAA announced its new plan to access computers without owner's consent for the sake of protecting its assets. Information OpenDNS Corp believes this policy puts its customers at risk of unintentional damage, corporate espionage, and invasion of privacy at the very least. Due to sensitive nature of this matter and RIAA's previous history, we feel the RIAA will has the technically ability to abuse software vulnerabilities in a client's or client's client browser after the browser accesses its site, potentially allowing the RIAA to access and/or tamper with their data. Starting at midnight on August 26, 2002, OpenDNS Corp customers will no longer be able to reach the RIAA's web site. OpenDNS Corp will also actively seek out attempts by the RIAA to thwart this policy and apply additional filters as required to protect our customers' data and the security of that data. Information OpenDNS Corp will also deploy peer-to-peer clients on the Gnutella network from its internal security centre, which will offer files with popular song titles derived from the Billboard Top 100 maintained by VNU eMedia. No copyright violations will take place; these files will merely have arbitrary sizes similar to the length of a 2 to 4 minute MP3 audio file encoded at 128kbps. Clients, which connect to our peer-to-peer clients, and then afterwards attempt to illegally access the network will be immediately "blacklisted" from OpenDNS Corp's network. The data collected will be actively maintained and distributed from our network operations site. Other ISP's are expected to follow these courses of action. OpenDNS Corp does NOT support PIRACY. We do support the PRIVACY and SECURITY of our clients data. OpenDNS Corp supports a common sense approach to dealing with the problems facing groups such as RIAA. Our decisions have been made to protect the valuable data our customers transit over the OpenDNS Corp network which is of a legal and private nature. No illegal activities are permitted on our network. Attempts to violate the OpenDNS Corp AUP by will not be tolerated by customers or non-customers. We openly encourage any AUP violations be reported to our company as soon as it has been detected. Our actions will be a swift investigation per the AUP. Customers risk losing their Internet connections and or collocation space if such violations are deemed to have violated our AUP. Piracy is a huge problem. OpenDNS Corp feels our solution supports our firm anti-piracy policy but also serves to protect the security and privacy our legal customer data. The placement of this policy is not intended to hamper the RIAA's piracy elimination agenda or advocate Internet piracy, but to ensure the safety of our customers' data attached to our network from hackers or corporate espionage hidden by the veil of RIAA copyright enforcement. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:42:37 EDT From: Davey08@aol.com Subject: NPR: How to look like a complete fool I'd like to apologize in advance. Granted it's not entirely your fault. How could you possibly know all the intricate inner workings of your very own personal computer enough to know about the Java debugging manager anonymously named, "jdbgmgr.exe," an acronym that obviously reveals nothing about its true intentions? Where is the sign telling me that deleting this insignificant piece of dirty virusware is a bad thing to do? I've never seen this program before so it must be a virus right? Before I go on, is there anyone on this list that would be interested in splitting US$ 15 Billion from Nigeria with me? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:59:49 -0700 (MST) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: NPR: More RIAA Information... A necessary evil??? FROM CNN.COM ******************************************************************* NEW YORK, New York (Reuters) -- The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) fired off a fresh round of statistics Monday in its campaign to prove that digital piracy is to blame for the huge slump in music sales over the past year. Biz reps say they may get even tougher on policing pirates, and won't rule out going after individuals who transfer or download illegally. The major-label trade organization said unit shipments of music were down more than 10 percent in the first six months of 2002, compared to the same period a year earlier. The dollar value of those shipments slipped just under 7 percent to $5.5 billion. At the same time, the RIAA released details of a study linking usage of online music-downloading networks like KaZaA and Morpheus with decreased record buying. RIAA-commissioned pollster Peter Hart Associates found that 41 percent of users whose file-swapping activity has increased over the past year said they are buying less music, compared to just 22 percent of those with decreased usage. "The disinclination to buy would clearly seem to be greatest to those who have increased their downloading," said Peter Hart official Geoff Garin. "That casts a lot of doubts on any assertion that there is a positive correlation between downloading tracks and buying more music." Garin conceded, however, that the study looked at only "wired" users -- those connected to the Internet with at least a dial-up connection. Data on the music-buying habits of non Web-users won't be compiled until the fall, he said. Also on the plate at Monday's stat buffet were numbers cataloging a dramatic increase in siezures of counterfeit material by the RIAA. The group said pirate CD seizures were up more than 170 percent as of mid-year, while captured stashes of illicit recordable CD-Rs were up 66 percent. Claim may build support for filing suit against users The industry's barrage of piracy data seemed squarely aimed at discrediting competing studies, including one released earlier this summer by Jupiter Media Metrix, which indicated that heavy file-swapping users are actually more likely to buy more music as a result of their online activities. But the RIAA may have another motive in mind as well, said P.J. McNealy, director or research for the tech consultancy GartnerG2. "This announcement really sets up the second half of the year for the RIAA to ask Congress for more help fighting piracy," McNealy said. He cited a bill recently introduced by California Congressman Howard Berman (D-Mission Hills), which would give the major labels a broad mandate to combat the peer-to-peer networks through technological means. The measure was hailed as a crucial step forward by the RIAA, but has raised the hackles of privacy advocates. The RIAA may also be looking to build its case for another controversial anti-piracy measure -- filing suit against the actual users of file-swapping networks. The group recently took Internet service provider Verizon to court to get names of high-traffic P2P users, and an RIAA spokesman said Monday that "nothing's off the table at this point" in the anti-piracy fight. Leading the downturn in music shipment numbers by market segment were CD singles, which tumbled more than 80 percent to just 2.2 million units in the first half of 2002. Some music insiders have argued that singles are the first to suffer from digital piracy, since they are far easier to download than full albums. Shipments of the industry's flagship product, full-length CD albums, fell 7.2 percent on a unit basis to 369 million. The dollar value of those shipments sank 5.1 percent to $5.2 billion. The shipment data differs from actual sales at retail; the numbers can change based on returned merchandise and other factors. Copyright 2002 Reuters. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. ******************************************************************* JK/// Jarrod Kniff Cyberfan Corporation jarrod@cyberfan.com ******************************************************************* http://www.poe.org http://www.shakedown.st ******************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:29:07 -0500 From: "BadBender" Subject: NPR-Re: More RIAA Information... A necessary evil??? After 9-11 sales of many things were down. This data may by tainted by the attacks. > > FROM CNN.COM > > ******************************************************************* > NEW YORK, New York (Reuters) -- The Recording Industry Association of > America (RIAA) fired off a fresh round of statistics Monday in its > campaign to prove that digital piracy is to blame for the huge slump in > music sales over the past year. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:30:22 -0500 From: "BadBender" Subject: Re: How to look like a complete fool Hey! That guy said I was the only one he could trust!! lol Before I go on, is there > anyone on this list that would be interested in splitting US$ 15 Billion from > Nigeria with me? > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:14:59 -0700 From: "mike brame" Subject: Re: NPR-Re: More RIAA Information... A necessary evil??? Also, I believe the economic downturn may have something to do with it. I know so many people who are out fo work now that were gainfully employed a year ago. Myself, I was doing temp work for a *year* after my last layoff. I finally got a job making half the salary that I used to make, and I'm happy to have it. I'm thinking the slower the economy gets, the less Britney CDs we'll be buying. I'm sure downloading digital music does have some impact, but not nearly as much as the RIAA whines about. The dotcom I worked with two years ago dealt with digital music. I've heard all the arguments both for and against online music distribution and both sides are *partially* right. Yes there are people who buy music they normally would not have because they were able to download it first, I am one of them. And there are MANY people who download music, burn it to cd, and never think twice about buying the album. My two roommates do exactly that. It's not that they don't have the money, they just figure why spend the money if you don't have to? Later, Mike >From: "BadBender" >To: >Subject: NPR-Re: More RIAA Information... A necessary evil??? >Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:29:07 -0500 > > >After 9-11 sales of many things were down. This data may by tainted by the >attacks. > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:59:54 EDT From: CtProse10@aol.com Subject: NPR SHES GONNA BLOW! I just got back from fishing in northern minnesota [whitefish chain] and I had an exorbabant amount of e-mail upon arriving home. I read a little, deleted most of it. the subject line refers to the amount of mail i had. on another note, I had plenty of time to dream up story ideas for my book... brother is shipping off to college tomorrow, so I am converting his room into an office of sorts. on a more interesting note, and in regards to Krod Knid, why in the hell would you bother with such an old computational device? my brother has an old p1 200, the damn thing hardly works. can't even search the internet with it. Hard drive is failing, and electro-static buildup is probably pretty high... on the subject of electrostatic buildup, do any of you believe that? some people say that overclocking a cpu increases the static buildup rates, so the processor will only last a couple of years. but all chips of a generation are the same, just with different factory set multipliers. of course a silicon chip for a slower xp1600+ will have more imperfections that an xp2000+, but i don't see how that would increase the amount of static buildup... only thing i can think of that would cause that, is high voltage settings... if high voltage settings is the case, say bye bye to my cpu :) quite surprised it hasn't melted yet actually. I have cooling fans up the wazoo, a ThermalRight AX-7 and a wonderful 80mmx39mm delta fan. But my heat levels are still pretty high... [noise levels too, sounds like a freaking jet...] oh well, if it melts, its a not so cheap reason to buy a new one... oh well, enough nerd ranting for me All the best - -Christopher ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:52:50 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR SHES GONNA BLOW! In a message dated 8/27/2002 5:05:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CtProse10@aol.com writes: > on a more interesting note, and in regards to Krod Knid, > why in the hell would you bother with such an old computational device? > > my brother has an old p1 200, the damn thing hardly works. can't even > search > the internet with it. Hard drive is failing, and electro-static buildup is > > probably pretty high > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Well, this one actually rips. It is a monster on the web too. The only > things it really needs are a bit more RAM and better video. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:56:07 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR SHES GONNA BLOW! In a message dated 8/27/2002 5:05:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CtProse10@aol.com writes: > only thing i can think of that would cause that, is high voltage settings... > if high voltage settings is the case, say bye bye to my cpu :) > quite surprised it hasn't melted yet actually. I have cooling fans up the > wazoo, a ThermalRight AX-7 and a wonderful 80mmx39mm delta fan. But my > heat > levels are still pretty high... [noise levels too, sounds like a freaking > jet...] > > oh well, if it melts, its a not so cheap reason to buy a new one... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Try a Koolance liquid cooled case with the CPU cooler addition. Those > things are not only way quiet, but they will keep your processor et al at > nearly room temperature...even with a GForce video card. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:16:27 EDT From: CtProse10@aol.com Subject: NPR CPU COOLING if i went water cooling, it would be the Innovatech Cooler. about 200-300 dollars depending on the options you chose, but that is a very nice cooler. next computer i build will have watercooling, i have already spent enough money on conventional air cooling to scrap it, and go for water... Water cooling is great, but i might run glyceron [spelling?] instead of water, for glyceron is not conductive... so if there is a leak, would not destroy the system, although it would be just as easy to water proof the components. [cheaper too.] also, have you heard any release dates for the nv3x? [nvidias new card...] All the best Christopher ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:55:05 -0400 From: "Pierce, Marshall" Subject: RE: NPR CPU COOLING Pure Water is non conductive as well. - -----Original Message----- From: CtProse10@aol.com [mailto:CtProse10@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 7:16 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: NPR CPU COOLING if i went water cooling, it would be the Innovatech Cooler. about 200-300 dollars depending on the options you chose, but that is a very nice cooler. next computer i build will have watercooling, i have already spent enough money on conventional air cooling to scrap it, and go for water... Water cooling is great, but i might run glyceron [spelling?] instead of water, for glyceron is not conductive... so if there is a leak, would not destroy the system, although it would be just as easy to water proof the components. [cheaper too.] also, have you heard any release dates for the nv3x? [nvidias new card...] All the best Christopher ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:51:42 -0400 From: "Conor Riley" Subject: NPR-FAVORITE MUSIC VIDEOS-NPR lets see your list: Smashing pumpkins-tonite tonite Red hot chili peppers-otherside NIN-Closer Busta Rhymes-Dangerous Alanis-Ironic Red Hot Chili Peppers-Give it away Marilyn Manson-Beautiful People Britney spears-baby one more time (just for shits and giggles) Prodigy-Smack my bitch up weezer-keep fishin weezer-buddy holly tori amos-spark Bjork-bachelorette Marilyn manson-the dope show Hole-malibu jamiroquai-virtual insanity blind melon-no rain madonna-like a prayer white stripes-fell in love with a girl american hifi-flavour of the week and of course POE-hey pretty ' i cant think of any more lemme know what you guys think - -conor- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:47:31 EDT From: HauntedIcicle@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR-FAVORITE MUSIC VIDEOS-NPR In a message dated 08/27/2002 8:49:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, conor@rochester.rr.com writes: > tori amos-spark Ooh, me too! :) Awesome video! And... Aerosmith - "Crazy" Meredith Brooks - "Bitch" Shery Crow - "Everyday Is A Winding Road" Poe - "Trigger Happy Jack" Jewel - "What's Simple Is True" Bonnie Raitt - "Lovers Will" Billie Myers - "Kiss The Rain" Heather Nova - "Heart and Shoulder" Paula Cole - "Me" Bree Sharp - "David Duchovny" (Okay, so it was never shown on TV and the cast and crew of XF just made it for laughs, but it's SO cute! And there are SO many stars in it.) Blind Melon - "No Rain" Garbage - "Only Happy When It Rains" / "Queer" Dave Matthews Band - "Everyday" And I know they're more... I just can't think at the moment. ~Tilly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:54:47 -0400 From: "Conor Riley" Subject: Re: NPR-FAVORITE MUSIC VIDEOS-NPR oooh: Bjork-Its oh so quiet Garbage-Queer (I LOVE how shirley looks in this video--i wish she looked like that again) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Conor Riley" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:51 PM Subject: NPR-FAVORITE MUSIC VIDEOS-NPR > > lets see your list: > Smashing pumpkins-tonite tonite > Red hot chili peppers-otherside > NIN-Closer > Busta Rhymes-Dangerous > Alanis-Ironic > Red Hot Chili Peppers-Give it away > Marilyn Manson-Beautiful People > Britney spears-baby one more time (just for shits and giggles) > Prodigy-Smack my bitch up > weezer-keep fishin > weezer-buddy holly > tori amos-spark > Bjork-bachelorette > Marilyn manson-the dope show > Hole-malibu > jamiroquai-virtual insanity > blind melon-no rain > madonna-like a prayer > white stripes-fell in love with a girl > american hifi-flavour of the week > and of course POE-hey pretty > ' > i cant think of any more lemme know what you guys think > -conor- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:33:25 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR CPU COOLING In a message dated 8/27/2002 7:55:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MRPierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > Pure Water is non conductive as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean like distilled water, with no conductive minerals in it? ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V7 #243 ***********************************