From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V7 #204 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, July 22 2002 Volume 07 : Number 204 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NPR: Burned Kitten [Kevin Intoen ] poe-related spam (interview) [Kevin Intoen ] Re: NPR: Burned Kitten (multiple replies) [Kevin Intoen ] Re: NPR: Burned Kitten ["Andrea E. Jackman" ] RE: NPR: Burned Kitten ["Pierce, Marshall" ] Re:NPR House of Leaves, burned kitten, etc. [Spidersrcute2@aol.com] Re: NPR: Burned Kitten (multiple replies) [NoisyPollution@aol.com] Re: NPRburned kitten, etc.... [Metamorphosized@aol.com] bonsai (banzi) kitten thing ["mindy king" ] Re: NPRburned kitten, etc.... [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPRburned kitten, etc.... ["Andrea E. Jackman" Subject: Re: NPR: Burned Kitten I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree, or something. Although, I would like to point out that your logic is faulty -- who's to see the guy who did it WOULD do something similar to a child (or hell, an adult) next? On Sat, Jul 20, 2002 at 11:15:27AM -0700, Ice Princess wrote: > While I am going to remain quiet about my opinion on this whole kitten > story because I have strong opinons when it comesa to animal cruelty. I > will tell you that no matter what the animal, I would be upset to hear > something like this. A rat, a bird, a snake...it doesn't matter. It was a > disgusting act of cruelty, and whose to say the man who did it wouldn't do > something similar to a child next? > > Just my 2 cents.... > > ~Shelley [snip] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:16:09 -0400 From: Kevin Intoen Subject: poe-related spam (interview) Just thought I'd pass this on, got this from another mailing list. [snip] Message: 1 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 21:26:15 -0000 From: detroitentertainment Subject: Poe video interview online! Hey Poe fan! There's an interactive video interview of Poe with live footage on the current Detroit Entertainment CD mediazine. If you have high- speed access, you can view the interview (and see other stuff) at "www.detroitentertainment.tv". It will be up until July 27 2002. Don't have cable/DSL or want a copy? For only $5, we'll send you the PC & Mac compatible CD...S&H included (US residents)! Contact "sales@detroitentertainment.tv" for more info. Hope you enjoy it and come back every month for more intimate interviews, live footage and more! Detroit Entertainment detv@detroitentertainment.tv http://www.detroitentertainment.tv [snip] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 05:47:18 -0400 From: Kevin Intoen Subject: Re: NPR: Burned Kitten (multiple replies) [snip] > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 02:58:34 EDT > From: LolipopFailure@aol.com > Subject: Re: NPR: Burned Kitten > > i don't think its so much that he did it to a cute cuddly kitten as much as > he did it to a living animal period. haven't you heard 75% of men who abuse > animals abuse their wives? i think burning kittens it a sign that there are > worse psychological problems. Fair enough...I think the agree to disagree thing applies here too. [snip] > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:32:44 EDT > From: NoisyPollution@aol.com > Subject: NPR: Yes in fact I have saved a snake before > > In a message dated 7/20/02 1:07:20 AM Central Daylight Time, jak@ircii.org > writes: > > > > Why not channel your energy into attempting to remedy > > those problems rather than pursuing 'vengeance' on some guy just because the > > animal he picked is cute and cuddly? Would you have reacted the same way if > > he had done it to a snake or a rat? > > > > You know what, it is very sad that you would judge me because I became angry Judging and making assumptions based on your behavior are two different things. I suggest you learn that. > of an animal that was abused. It was a kitten in this case. In fact, I > DESPISE CATS! But it is wrong to grill them or hurt them. Yes, Joey and I > ALMOST saved a snake from being roadkill if he hadn't have wandered back into > the street and gotten hit by some ASSHOLE in a four runner. Any animal Hm, so am I to make the ASSUMPTION here that you JUDGE people who run animals over because they didn't see them, or even if they did, instead of swerving and potentially causing a car accident and hurting themselves or others, as assholes? > walking and breathing has the right to live and breath as we do. I'm not Agree to disagree. > going to get on a soapbox here, and I'm not going to get all of these > meat-eaters kicking my ass. Because if the animal is killed for eating it is Aha. So one of the assumptions I made (but didn't say at the time) was correct. > at least understandable. But this person wasn't grilling this animal for > food, it was a straight out act of animal cruelty and a violation of animal > rights. It was ALIVE when it was grilled. Oh and by the way, I AM trying to Again, animals don't have rights (in my opinion, of course), but I believe certain animals are cooked alive. For instance, lobsters are thrown into boiling water alive every day in resturants, are they not? I agree that there was no purpose to it in this case, since he wasn't going to eat it, but ultimately the worst word I can think of to describe his actions is 'unnecessary'. > remedy the problem and have a goddamn address to the fucking PROSECUTOR of > this case which I will post now: > *Please request that in addition to a period of incarceration, this guy > undergo a mandatory psychological evaluation and necessary counseling at his > own expense. Insist that he be prohibited from owning or harboring animals in > the future, all contact with animals, and that any animals currently in his > custody be immediately seized. Polite letters should go to: People, people. Don't waste your time on this. Go volunteer at a local homeless shelter, or hell, a pet shelter, if you want to "make a difference". This is completely pointless. > The Honorable Don Norris > Clay County Prosecutor > Clay County Prosecutors Office > 11 S. Water > Liberty, MO 64068 > Fax: 816-792-7684 > That being said, I don't appreciate your accusation about me NOT doing any I think the word you're looking for is "implication", not "accusation". Anyhow, what I was implying was not that you weren't doing any work to improve THIS case, but rather that you were wasting your effort on something that is ultimately a pointless action, aside from satisfying your desire for vengeance on this guy. > work to improve the case, implying that I'm just some stupid little girl > whining about a cute little kitten being burned, and saying that I would > completely ignore another animal in this situation. Just because I don't have I posed a question. You assumed the rest. > a dick doesn't mean I don't have guts. And just because I don't have a dick Gee, thanks for pointing that out, but most girls I know don't have dicks, so you didn't really need to. As for owning one, what does that have to do with it? I'd bother to point out that I know females who agree with me, and also that I know males that don't, and that YOU made the ASSUMPTION about the gender thing and the guts thing, but...oh, wait, I just did! > doesn't mean that I like all my shit fuzzy and pink. I'm not a hairy Again, who called you a "hairy feminist"? You're the one that said it first. > feminist, I'm just very pissed off and think I have the right to be pissed at Alright, I agree you have the right to be pissed at my comment, and I agree that you have the right to post a witty little comment of your own. However, what you don't have is the right to put words in my mouth, or to accuse me of making assumptions in a rant full of your OWN assumptions. > that unnecessary comment. And I know a denigrating one when I see it. And if You obviously don't, in fact, so let me point out that the last one wasn't, it was just critical of your actions. This one, due to your response, is. > you want information on saving rats, go to www.PETA.com and they will give > you information on how PETCO abuses and neglects it's rats and birds. I don't like the PETA. I think they're frauds and fanatic moneygrubbing nutcases. I was merely using them to illustrate my point. > Peace, }}Y{{eLissA > I hate this kind of light rawk crap. It's way too happy, way too sappy, way > too crappy for me. What a hideous guitar sound. It's less interesting than > the storyline of the worst porno ever made. It's worse than food poisoning.- > Buzz Osborne on a Weezer song. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:29:13 EDT > From: CtProse10@aol.com > Subject: kitten > > i would agree, that guy is one sic sob. in fact i do agree. > > whats sad, he will probably get more time than a child rapist... I agree, that's pretty fuckin' pitiful. Just goes to show you how fucked up our legal system is, when it's run by people who operate out of a sense of moral outrage rather than any sense of logic or justice. [snip] > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:03:31 -0500 > From: robby > Subject: False) window.parent.GoNext() > > > > ------------------------------ > What the hell is this, javascript? :) [snip] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 08:05:44 -0400 From: "Andrea E. Jackman" Subject: Re: NPR: Burned Kitten Well, being a volunteer for victims of abuse, studying psychology and sadly, being the child of an abusive alcoholic father who killed 2 of my dogs and broke one's legs to upset me by throwing it, i can confirm this with some thought on research. Academic researchers and caseworkers in both the humane and human services fields are re-examining with renewed interest the linkages between animal abuse and other forms of family violence, in particular child abuse and domestic violence. For 150 years, conventional wisdom and the basic tenets of humane education have held that a child who mistreats animals will grow up to be insensitive towards other human beings. The renewal of interest is not only confirming this long-held belief, but also creating new opportunities for interdisciplinary training and cross-reporting, and helping us learn that animal abuse is a very complex topic indeed. In violent homes, child abuse, animal abuse and domestic violence may occur individually or collectively. a.. abusive parents kill, or threaten to kill, pets to coerce children into sexual abuse or remaining silent about such abuse b.. battered women are afraid to leave violent homes because their partners will kill the animals, or because there is no one to take care of the animals if they leave c.. disturbed children kill animals to rehearse their own suicide, or to pre-empt an abusive parent from killing the pet. In short, in violent homes, both two- and four-legged members of the family are vulnerable to victimization. Abridged from "Animal Abuse, Child Abuse and Domestic Violence: Compelling Connections" (The Guardian, Women's Humane Society, Bensalem, PA, Spring 1998. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Intoen" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 4:20 AM Subject: Re: NPR: Burned Kitten I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree, or something. Although, I would like to point out that your logic is faulty -- who's to see the guy who did it WOULD do something similar to a child (or hell, an adult) next? On Sat, Jul 20, 2002 at 11:15:27AM -0700, Ice Princess wrote: > While I am going to remain quiet about my opinion on this whole kitten > story because I have strong opinons when it comesa to animal cruelty. I > will tell you that no matter what the animal, I would be upset to hear > something like this. A rat, a bird, a snake...it doesn't matter. It was a > disgusting act of cruelty, and whose to say the man who did it wouldn't do > something similar to a child next? > > Just my 2 cents.... > > ~Shelley [snip] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:23:36 -0400 From: "Pierce, Marshall" Subject: RE: NPR: Burned Kitten I think it show a possible pattern of behavior, now while I do not agree that it will mean that he WILL do it to a human, it shows a willingness to inflict pain of a defenseless . I personally am sickened by it, which, might impair my judgment, however I still believe that it show enough malice that he should, if not face a large jail sentence then A LOT of community hours, plus some SERIOUS fucking counseling. BTW, when was the last time pure logic had anything to do with human emotional responses? Also I can tell you, if I SAW him doing it, I'd like think that I would "Ingrain" in him the notion that it was innocrrect. - -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Intoen [mailto:jak@ircii.org] Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 4:21 AM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: NPR: Burned Kitten I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree, or something. Although, I would like to point out that your logic is faulty -- who's to see the guy who did it WOULD do something similar to a child (or hell, an adult) next? On Sat, Jul 20, 2002 at 11:15:27AM -0700, Ice Princess wrote: > While I am going to remain quiet about my opinion on this whole kitten > story because I have strong opinons when it comesa to animal cruelty. I > will tell you that no matter what the animal, I would be upset to hear > something like this. A rat, a bird, a snake...it doesn't matter. It was a > disgusting act of cruelty, and whose to say the man who did it wouldn't do > something similar to a child next? > > Just my 2 cents.... > > ~Shelley [snip] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:35:11 EDT From: Spidersrcute2@aol.com Subject: Re:NPR House of Leaves, burned kitten, etc. Hehe. Well. Christopher has been pulled in. I had to put the book down for a bit because it was driving me mad. I kept flipping ahead to find out what was going on in the house, and then I'd start reading Jonny's story and get caught up in that for a while, then I would start trying to make sense of all the footnotes..... Everyone who's read the book knows how it goes. I had to go wander, break my mind out of it for a while. It was filtering into my dreams, that house. Very disturbing. Okay, about the burned kitten. It made me cry. I have saved countless animals, from turtles and tarantulas to little spiders, salamanders, cats, dogs, etc. Doesn't matter what kind of animal, if someone does something so cruel to it they should be sentenced. If anyone has read any John Saul books, they may remeber the dark lightning book. He started with cats and progressed to humans. Anyone deranged enough to burn a living creature should not be trusted around humankind. Who's to say he won't burn you next??? Christopher, it's nice to see you on our list. I used to play D&D, watch my friends play warhammer, and still read witchcraft books and play Diablo II on the computer. My favorite character to play in D&D was always a cleric elf or half-elf. Liked being the good guy. Not much else happening out here in California, except for the asshole in the Samantha Runnion case being caught. He took the girl kicking and screaming from her front yard, sexually assaulted her and then strangled her. He then through her body out into the canyons in Riverside county, right in plain sight so anybody could find her. She was 5 years old. Having neices and nephews, and brothers and sisters, I have to worry about assholes like this living in our world. It's just a horrible thing to live with, knowing there's that slim chance that someday it will be one of my family that they'll get ahold of. Well, that's it for today. Pretty good, considering I'm usually just lurking. And yes, I listen to Faithless too. Along with numerous other DJ's, alternative, Acid Jazz and classical. Later everyone Tracie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:39:22 EDT From: NoisyPollution@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Burned Kitten (multiple replies) In a message dated 7/21/02 4:48:00 AM Central Daylight Time, jak@ircii.org writes: > Judging and making assumptions based on your behavior are two different > things. > I'm going to put my opinion to rest about this after I say this. I'm not going to constantly fight with you about this topic. But, it is impossible to make an assumption on my behavior because 1) you do not know me and 2) you certainly do not watch my behavior. It was unfair for you to assume that I was not doing any work and just complaining about what happened. I am also not saying everyone who runs over animals are assholes either. The snake was put on the side of the road. I know what I saw and I saw the four runner go out of its way to hit the poor thing. I'm not going to consider anything that someone suggests to me if they suggest it in your sort of manner. If you want to suggest how people should "learn" things, or whatever, you shouldn't be so abrasive about it. We obviously have two different very opinions on where animals stand and their rights. What happened to that animal was sick and disgusting and there is nothing wrong with being afraid that someone who abuses animals in such a manner wouldn't do it to a child. Anyway, I'm going to put this to rest. Peace, }}Y{{eLissA I hate this kind of light rawk crap. It's way too happy, way too sappy, way too crappy for me. What a hideous guitar sound. It's less interesting than the storyline of the worst porno ever made. It's worse than food poisoning.- Buzz Osborne on a Weezer song. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:40:06 EDT From: Metamorphosized@aol.com Subject: Re: NPRburned kitten, etc.... um.. " BTW, when was the last time pure logic had anything to do with human emotional responses? " ..." It was a disgusting act of cruelty, and whose to say the man who did it wouldn't do.." this man who burned that kitten is pretty sad. but as far as the whole psychological aspects of animal cruelty,the list goes on. man has proven he must be dominant about what he thinks he 'owns',animals are territorial.. but what would be pure logic? in new york,maybe they stopped it by now,there were 'banzi kittens' sold as fashion. as fucking household decor. for you who may not be aware what a 'banzi kitten' is,a kitten in a glass bottle,sealed. they are fed through a tube,a certain diet to keep their bones soft so they grow,from tiny kitten to a cat,they keep the glass bottle full.. i signed the petition to ban this,along with other people from around the world. i dont know the outcome of it but,then again,what else can i do about it ? what can you do? problems are there. whats strange is how people cant really take an opinion for what it is. there is nothing to scrutinize. how much of a differnce do you make when you do? ..life has cruel moments. joey- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:05:22 -0400 From: "mindy king" Subject: bonsai (banzi) kitten thing The bonsai kitten thing is not real. No one is making bonsai kittens. It would be impossible, really, the cat would die easily. here is the "official" bonsai kitten (joke) website - http://www.bonsaikitten.com and here is a site telling all about the hoax - http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/outrage/bonsai.htm enjoy... it's an interesting joke, and well done, the "official" website is kind of convincing, but it's still a joke. ~mindy~ _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:29:20 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPRburned kitten, etc.... Along these same lines, Ted Nugent is having a booksigning next Wednesday before his show at Bogart's (which I will be working, BTW). The name of his book is "Kill It And Grill It". Yes, it is about hunting wild animals and eating them. I don't think he does kittens though. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:32:20 -0400 From: "Andrea E. Jackman" Subject: Re: NPRburned kitten, etc.... LOL! awesome way to turn that around. after a while we can get fired up about just anything. any excuse to state our respective cases. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: Re: NPRburned kitten, etc.... Along these same lines, Ted Nugent is having a booksigning next Wednesday before his show at Bogart's (which I will be working, BTW). The name of his book is "Kill It And Grill It". Yes, it is about hunting wild animals and eating them. I don't think he does kittens though. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:23:09 EDT From: Sharonda220@aol.com Subject: NPR: bolt Ok i'm not big on advertising websites that are poe-related, mine or my friends but i spent all day yesterday at work on www.bolt.com. I was all about it last summer but it dropped off when my computer time dropped off anyway... i actually found it looking for free email so i could make up a name to pretend to be someone else because i was mad at them. well.... i never use the email but i do make use of most everything else. ok, mostly i want you guys to come sign my tagbook but they have a lot of things that i surprisingly liked, like tagbooks which are...well you make up the questions and the format (open ended multiple choice, etc.) and other members of bolt answer them. its just interesting to see the answers and to tag other people. i also like their flash game water balloon joe which involves dropping water balloons, obviously and i like their photo stuff which allows me to upload i think...50 photos for an album and they have the normal picture warping stuff. its kind of teeny-boppery but i have found one of my most awesome french pen pals on their who sends me postcards from paris and wherever he vacations. it lets you look up other members by interests, etc and offers chats, im's (zaps) and most things that paying email services like AOL offer. so anyway. my name is Shari_Baby99 and i'm adding some POE questions after checking out the fabulous POE sights that were in the last digest so come and tag me!!! Shari ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 00:29:50 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPRburned kitten, etc.... In a message dated 7/21/2002 4:34:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, littleredelf@comcast.net writes: > LOL! > > awesome way to turn that around. > after a while we can get fired up about just anything. > any excuse to state our respective cases. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well...we are angry, and we are psychos. ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V7 #204 ***********************************