From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V7 #170 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Thursday, June 13 2002 Volume 07 : Number 170 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: TOE can use our help.... ["Sarah Lippert" ] Re: Or How I learned to love the bomb. [Kevin Intoen ] NPR Or How I learned to love the bomb. ["Pierce, Marshall" Subject: Re: TOE can use our help.... I would be glad to help out! i really enjoyed their performance when they opened for poe on her last tour. i had a chance to talk with their guitar and bass players after the show just to tell them how much i liked them. they were very sweet guys and very willing for all the praise. i'll start spreading the TOE word around here. i bought a three song disk that they had on sale that night so maybe i'll pass it on to a few friends and see what they think. i'll definatley be buying their full lenght as soon as it comes out! eternally yours, ~SaraH p.s.~ this really isnt for anyone outside the pittsburgh, pa area and isn't poe related, but anyway... i just bought the new clarks cd "another happy ending" yesterday and it really kicks ass! you should all go out and buy it right now! the guys were nice enough to even sign the cd for me. :) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:50:53 -0400 From: Kevin Intoen Subject: Re: PR; about your NPR; about WWII. I know it's late, I haven't gotten to reply to email for the past couple of days. There are three possible responses to this from me: 1. I could put it very succinctly and tell you to fuck off. 2. I could point out that a LOT of people have posted a lot more irrelevant (and irritating) threads lately, yet this is the first time to my memory you've bothered to put your two cents into the conversation. Complaints count for a lot more from people who actually have something other than whining to contribute. In my opinion, anyway. I could also point out that as far as I'm concerned, your opinion is exactly that, bullshit. 3. Third and last, what I WILL do is pat you on the head and send you about your business. For future reference, if you're going to tear yourself away from busily lurking to complain about threads, I suggest you ask nicely instead of calling anybody "sadly 'borred' petty people" if you expect anything other than a hostile response. If you want to talk about Poe, then for fuck's sake, start a thread, don't post to existing threads bitching about its lack of relevance, especially when it's clearly marked 'NPR' in the subject. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:43:19 -0400 From: Kevin Intoen Subject: Re: Or How I learned to love the bomb. On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 02:46:44PM -0400, Pierce, Marshall wrote: > Actually, it can't be a FACT unless we split the time to see if that is what > really happened, however if you go and look at any material that relates to > Truman's decision to use the bomb, you will find ample statistics giving by > the military on projected losses on both sides. And the fact that an opinion I haven't, but I'll take your word for it. > is right is relative now isn't it? =)and btw, I do not know the actual dead > in the two cities, but then again, neither does anyone else. I could go look > for an educated guess...but if I remember correctly, the total of both > cities population was somewhere around 110,000 people. The 50,000 dead was a Those are civilians, though; I'd rather see soldiers dead than civilians, even in greater number; at least they know what they're in for. > figure I dug out of bone old memory, and I stated that the number could be > higher or lower. If you read any of the recounting of the stories from the > Philippines, there were MANY stories of the Japanese both military and > civilian fighting to the end, or whole Japanese villages committing suicide, Americans have been known to do that too (the Alamo). It all depends on your view of the situation. Regardless, if we're going to argue on a theoretical basis, look up the Gempei War (http://www.samurai-archives.com/Gempeiwar.html). It is entirely possible we could have avoided the whole thing by defeating them militarily, or alternately capturing the current Emperor. As I recall, after the surrender a lot of high ranking officials killed themselves; wouldn't they have done the same in either of the latter circumstances? > rather then be captured. Now, I am not going to footnote a message on a list > serve with EVERY source imagined, I would suspect however if you use > "Truman" and "Bomb" in a search engine you could easily get the answers. > Lets get one thing clear however, even if there is clear backing of my > position, that does mean that I am right..or vice versa. The culture at the > time however, was prone to this way of thinking. [snip] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:57:07 -0400 From: "Pierce, Marshall" Subject: NPR Or How I learned to love the bomb. Here is a great list of articles on the subject. http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/hiroshim.htm - -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Intoen [mailto:jak@ircii.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 3:43 PM To: Pierce, Marshall; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: Or How I learned to love the bomb. On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 02:46:44PM -0400, Pierce, Marshall wrote: > Actually, it can't be a FACT unless we split the time to see if that is what > really happened, however if you go and look at any material that relates to > Truman's decision to use the bomb, you will find ample statistics giving by > the military on projected losses on both sides. And the fact that an opinion I haven't, but I'll take your word for it. > is right is relative now isn't it? =)and btw, I do not know the actual dead > in the two cities, but then again, neither does anyone else. I could go look > for an educated guess...but if I remember correctly, the total of both > cities population was somewhere around 110,000 people. The 50,000 dead was a Those are civilians, though; I'd rather see soldiers dead than civilians, even in greater number; at least they know what they're in for. > figure I dug out of bone old memory, and I stated that the number could be > higher or lower. If you read any of the recounting of the stories from the > Philippines, there were MANY stories of the Japanese both military and > civilian fighting to the end, or whole Japanese villages committing suicide, Americans have been known to do that too (the Alamo). It all depends on your view of the situation. Regardless, if we're going to argue on a theoretical basis, look up the Gempei War (http://www.samurai-archives.com/Gempeiwar.html). It is entirely possible we could have avoided the whole thing by defeating them militarily, or alternately capturing the current Emperor. As I recall, after the surrender a lot of high ranking officials killed themselves; wouldn't they have done the same in either of the latter circumstances? > rather then be captured. Now, I am not going to footnote a message on a list > serve with EVERY source imagined, I would suspect however if you use > "Truman" and "Bomb" in a search engine you could easily get the answers. > Lets get one thing clear however, even if there is clear backing of my > position, that does mean that I am right..or vice versa. The culture at the > time however, was prone to this way of thinking. [snip] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:07:35 -0500 From: "Bad Bender" Subject: NPR-Re: Or How I learned to love the bomb.-NPR > Americans have been known to do that too (the Alamo). I thought they were Texans, before Texas joined the union. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:32:38 EDT From: Wheatsrising@aol.com Subject: TOE and another amazing opening band... Does TOE have a website? I'd love to check them out after all the good things you have said. Another band to check out is Antigone Rising. I've been wanting to post about them for a while. I would love to see them open for POE, that would be an amazing show. Antigone is an all female band, I have met them all and they are some of the nicest people I have ever met. VH1 had named Antigone Rising as one of the top ten unsigned bands in the country not too long ago, they definitely deserved that title. They seriously rock. I'd love to see them play with POE. I've been on this list for a few months but haven't had the chance to introduce myself. I'm Jen and I live in Rhode Island. I love music, POE is one of my favorites, along with Antigone Rising. Email me privately if you would like any info about them and if you have aol, I can send you some songs. Pass that TOE website along, I love checking out new music. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:40:00 -0400 From: "Conor Riley" Subject: Re: TOE and another amazing opening band... TOE- www.thinkofengland.com or www.thewash.net WOOHOO TOE FANS UNITE! =conor= - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:32 PM Subject: TOE and another amazing opening band... > > Does TOE have a website? I'd love to check them out after all the good things > you have said. > > Another band to check out is Antigone Rising. I've been wanting to post about > them for a while. I would love to see them open for POE, that would be an > amazing show. Antigone is an all female band, I have met them all and they > are some of the nicest people I have ever met. VH1 had named Antigone Rising > as one of the top ten unsigned bands in the country not too long ago, they > definitely deserved that title. They seriously rock. I'd love to see them > play with POE. > > I've been on this list for a few months but haven't had the chance to > introduce myself. I'm Jen and I live in Rhode Island. I love music, POE is > one of my favorites, along with Antigone Rising. Email me privately if you > would like any info about them and if you have aol, I can send you some > songs. > > Pass that TOE website along, I love checking out new music. Jen ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V7 #170 ***********************************