From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V7 #138 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Sunday, May 12 2002 Volume 07 : Number 138 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) ["sp00k@poe.org" ] NPR: Troll related [Dan98908@aol.com] Caught in a lie. Re: Troll related ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: maybe its time to wave goodbye now [Notajunkie ] NPR: Windoze Help ["Debian Linux" ] Correction ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Funny Sidebar...Troll related ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Churchill ["BirdBlack" ] something I did when I was bored (npr) [Kevin Intoen ] Re: npr maybe its time to wave goodbye now [PURPLMOJO@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 01:44:42 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) > Thanks about the Happy b-day part Sp00k Conor, Thank You, and just keep on being YOU, You are wise beyond your youth, as anybody who reads your writings will find. Don't think that everybody on this list looks at you as someone who is under 18 and in need of childlike treatment. Nobody on this list should ever be made to feel like that. I suspect that Poe would enjoy communicating with you imensely, I wish you well in your pursuit of a position on the API Board. Cheers to your bright future. sp00k. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 05:43:47 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: NPR: Troll related troll a.k.a. btrollingb The act of posting a message in a newsgroup that is obviously exaggerating something on a particular topic, hoping to trick a newbie into posting a follow-up article that points out the mistake. see also: flame bait , lurk . flame bait An intentionally inflammatory posting in a newsgroup or discussion group designed to elicit a strong reaction thereby creating a flame war. flame war When an online discussion degenerates into a series of personal attacks against the debators, rather than discussion of their positions. A heated exchange. I believe that I have complied with every request Sp00k as made, reasonable AND unreasonable. I just have chosen not to burden you with the rhetoric here. For a while he stopped his troll behavior and I removed his troll designation on the BBS. He has resumed that activity and the designation will now be restored again until he stops behaving as a troll. I have no co ntrol to stop his behavior, only he can control that , only HE can stop BEING a troll. I have counted 192 posts in this flame war...this is my fourth. I had links to DalNet, I have posted more. I had links to poe.org, I have posted more. I have repeatedly gone into #poe to chat with his 'entities" and they will not even speak to me...it is like they are not even really there at all. I have placed a forum where Sp00k is moderator and he can post DalNet#poe chat transcripts, chat announcements and generally market his chatroom. I have also put up several mirrors for the AP list...I will have an AP classic where every post on the AP list is mirrored and I will have an AP Lite where those that would like to read the AP list posts with all NPR and flames filtered and only Poe and AP related posts remaining can go. I will also be posting AP List in history.. AP posts for each calender day from 1996,97,98,99,2000,2001 will be available for POEstory reserach. This will respond to Sp00ks desire to see the AP list gain more emphesis. I removed myself as admin and turned control of the BBS over to Elf, Bird, Sp00k ( who is not and has not ever been banned - only moderated until trolling stops), Jodi, Lemon, PoePunkPrincess, and Zoey. When written allegations of potential violations of the Federal Mann Act were alledged in writting against me as well as fraud, and conversion, all three criminal activity, by two users of the BBS (one the 14 year old boy Sp00k refers to) I asked for proof or retraction, when none followed I said I would litigate to find the truth. I said I would sue for one dollar and court costs so that I could place these two, as well as whoever was making these allegations against me, under oath to prove if they were true or not. I specificly said that I was NOT suing Poe, rather would depose her to find out what she had heard and said about me and the Angry Psychos. I also said I was doing this in my name and NOT as an AP representative, since I was being attacked as an individual. The final allegation was that Poe had a restraining order against me. Thanks to that false statement Poe FINALLY had something she would KNOW was not true, for there to be a restraining order she would have to sign it and I would have to be served. She would know neither happened. I suspect, but have no way of knowing, that once Poe knew THAT was one of the lies she started checking into other stuff she heard about me and about other APs to see if there was any proof to the rumors. What we DO know is that the next morning Poe parted ways ( at her request) with Nettwerk Management and hours after that the ban was fixed, or lifted or whatever you want to call it and Brendles, myself, Elf, Bird, and everyone who had once been banned from p-o-e was now allowed to log on and post posts that the week before would have been deleted were allowed to remain..WITH Angie's permission! With these clear olive branches of peace I stated that all litigation was on hold while we watched to see if the peace would hold.....it has! Bottom line is that, to the best of my knowledge, from what I can sift thru the 100s of flames, I have done EVERY SINGLE thing that Sp00k as asked. If there is anything that I missed I request that it be sent me by PRIVATE email and I will fix it immediatly, if it is reasonable. The troll designation stays until the troll activity stops. When he stopped last week I removed it, I am going in to put it back now and I will remove it again when he stops BEING a troll. I stress that I am not using that as a derogitory term, I am using it as a factual description under the definition above. Sp00k speaks eloquently about how the Poe fan should be more Net aware then the average music fan. If that is true he will understand and agree when I give advise often given in classes dealing with Net communication, and that is if you witness troll like behavior ...DON"T FEED THE TROLLS! That is the ONLY way to stop a flame war, to remover the fuel. Guys, I have tried hard to follow that advise, but I take what Sp00k says seriously, that is why I will not filter him, I am looking for the grain, the kernal of his point and then I respond to it if valid..no need for talk on that. Tonights allegations that I am suing Poe is so bizarre and preposterous that it demanded an explaination. I now go back to private unless something else outageous occurs. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 09:05:23 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Caught in a lie. Re: Troll related OK I have other things to do today, I will be back to address this more later, BUT for the moment, consider that dan has said he has removed himself from a postion of power at the BBS. Now consider these quotes from dan's laterst e-mail. "I removed myself as admin and turned control of the BBS over to Elf, Bird,..." "The troll designation stays until the troll activity stops. When he stopped last week I removed it, I am going in to put it back now and I will remove it again when he stops BEING a troll. " Hmmm it would seem to me, that dan would need to have ADMINISTRATIVE powers to change my designation from Angry Psycho to "Troll" dan, you have NO, NONE, ZERO, 0, MINUS, credability. As far as dan staying in private unless sometihng even more bizzare occurs... Could it possibly get more bizzare than dan suing 14 year olds and other fans he represents, Poe staff, and if not her as he claims, then her company? I hope not. OK folks stand by for more Spin Dr's and Lawyers.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 5:43 AM Subject: NPR: Troll related > > troll > > a.k.a. btrollingb > The act of posting a message in a newsgroup that is obviously exaggerating > something on a particular topic, hoping to trick a newbie into posting a > follow-up article that points out the mistake. > > see also: flame > bait , lurk . > > > flame bait > > An intentionally inflammatory posting in a newsgroup or discussion group > designed to elicit a strong reaction thereby creating a flame war. > > flame war > > When an online discussion degenerates into a series of personal attacks > against the debators, rather than discussion of their positions. A heated > exchange. > > > I believe that I have complied with every request Sp00k as made, reasonable > AND unreasonable. I just have chosen not to burden you with the rhetoric > here. For a while he stopped his troll behavior and I removed his troll > designation on the BBS. He has resumed that activity and the designation > will now be restored again until he stops behaving as a troll. I have no co > ntrol to stop his behavior, only he can control that , only HE can stop BEING > a troll. I have counted 192 posts in this flame war...this is my fourth. > > I had links to DalNet, I have posted more. I had links to poe.org, I have > posted more. I have repeatedly gone into #poe to chat with his 'entities" > and they will not even speak to me...it is like they are not even really > there at all. I have placed a forum where Sp00k is moderator and he can post > DalNet#poe chat transcripts, chat announcements and generally market his > chatroom. > > I have also put up several mirrors for the AP list...I will have an AP > classic where every post on the AP list is mirrored and I will have an AP > Lite where those that would like to read the AP list posts with all NPR and > flames filtered and only Poe and AP related posts remaining can go. I will > also be posting AP List in history.. > AP posts for each calender day from 1996,97,98,99,2000,2001 will be available > for POEstory reserach. This will respond to Sp00ks desire to see the AP list > gain more emphesis. > > > I removed myself as admin and turned control of the BBS over to Elf, Bird, > Sp00k ( who is not and has not ever been banned - only moderated until > trolling stops), Jodi, Lemon, PoePunkPrincess, and Zoey. > > When written allegations of potential violations of the Federal Mann Act were > alledged in writting against me as well as fraud, and conversion, all three > criminal activity, by two users of the BBS (one the 14 year old boy Sp00k > refers to) I asked for proof or retraction, when none followed I said I would > litigate to find the truth. > > I said I would sue for one dollar and court costs so that I could place these > two, as well as whoever was making these allegations against me, under oath > to prove if they were true or not. I specificly said that I was NOT suing > Poe, rather would depose her to find out what she had heard and said about me > and the Angry Psychos. I also said I was doing this in my name and NOT as an > AP representative, since I was being attacked as an individual. > > The final allegation was that Poe had a restraining order against me. Thanks > to that false statement Poe FINALLY had something she would KNOW was not > true, for there to be a restraining order she would have to sign it and I > would have to be served. She would know neither happened. > > I suspect, but have no way of knowing, that once Poe knew THAT was one of the > lies she started checking into other stuff she heard about me and about other > APs to see if there was any proof to the rumors. What we DO know is that > the next morning Poe parted ways ( at her request) with Nettwerk Management > and hours after that the ban was fixed, or lifted or whatever you want to > call it and Brendles, myself, Elf, Bird, and everyone who had once been > banned from p-o-e was now allowed to log on and post posts that the week > before would have been deleted were allowed to remain..WITH Angie's > permission! > > With these clear olive branches of peace I stated that all litigation was on > hold while we watched to see if the peace would hold.....it has! > > Bottom line is that, to the best of my knowledge, from what I can sift thru > the 100s of flames, I have done EVERY SINGLE thing that Sp00k as asked. If > there is anything that I missed I request that it be sent me by PRIVATE email > and I will fix it immediatly, if it is reasonable. > > The troll designation stays until the troll activity stops. When he stopped > last week I removed it, I am going in to put it back now and I will remove it > again when he stops BEING a troll. I stress that I am not using that as a > derogitory term, I am using it as a factual description under the definition > above. > > Sp00k speaks eloquently about how the Poe fan should be more Net aware then > the average music fan. If that is true he will understand and agree when I > give advise often given in classes dealing with Net communication, and that > is if you witness troll like behavior ...DON"T FEED THE TROLLS! > > That is the ONLY way to stop a flame war, to remover the fuel. > > Guys, I have tried hard to follow that advise, but I take what Sp00k says > seriously, that is why I will not filter him, I am looking for the grain, the > kernal of his point and then I respond to it if valid..no need for talk on > that. > > Tonights allegations that I am suing Poe is so bizarre and preposterous that > it demanded an explaination. I now go back to private unless something else > outageous occurs. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 13:06:00 -0400 From: "Conor Riley" Subject: Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) Those were some very nice words sp00k, i just wish i knew what i was being sued for. - -conor- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "sp00k@poe.org" To: "Conor Riley" ; Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:44 AM Subject: Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) > > > Thanks about the Happy b-day part Sp00k > > > Conor, Thank You, and just keep on being YOU, You are wise > beyond your youth, as anybody who reads your writings will find. > > Don't think that everybody on this list looks at you as someone who > is under 18 and in need of childlike treatment. Nobody on this > list should ever be made to feel like that. > > I suspect that Poe would enjoy communicating with you imensely, > I wish you well in your pursuit of a position on the API Board. > > Cheers to your bright future. > > sp00k. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 10:34:15 -0700 (PDT) From: tearinhand Subject: maybe its time to wave goodbye now yeah uh i'm going to leave the list... why well frankly because i havent been reading it nor do i care for most of the things that have been going on for some time so bye Sara ===== "the sweetest cherry in an apple pie" ~Tori Amos "Wait, I thought I had this down I built all my cages and my hide out I covered all my bases but you you creep in like a whisper I try not to listen but I hear you I don't know just what it is you do but do it again" ~Poe, Amazed http://escape.to/yourescape ~A Girl and Her Piano~ LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 10:39:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Notajunkie Subject: Re: maybe its time to wave goodbye now I think I'll follow you Sara... I've been a member of this list for 4 years and for the last 2 weeks I've been doing nothing but deleting anything from the list...I'm on both of Rusty's list, so hopefully I can stay in the Poe loop...see you all on the flipside. Pete AIM: Notajunkie LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 18:44:17 +0000 From: "Debian Linux" Subject: NPR: Windoze Help Anybody know a keyboard shortcut that could open a create>new dialog box for the active window? If not, a macro util that could do this? I've done limited homework on macro utils and extensive homework on KB shorts. Doesn't seem possible. Maybe if I write a windows script...? "Communication is not just words, Communication is Architecture" _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 15:05:57 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Correction Correction, due to the structure of the following sentence, I was wrong in how I read the information. Poe is not beign sued personaly, perhaps her company RealPoe, and her staff, but NOT Poe herself. Here is the sentence that caused the confusion. The inteneded lawsuit against a 15 year old fan and others still APparently remains pending. "Notice that I do NOT blame Poe. I suspect you guys are lying to her the same way you lye to all of us. Poe will NOT be named in the lawsuit I will be filing next week if your answers and apology are not published on this list by Sunday night." I took it to be an "IF THEN" proposition that would spare Poe being named. as in Poe will NOT be named IF you do blah blah blah.... Sorry for the confusion, it was NOT intentional, click below for the FACTS. http://www.freewebz.com/rochester/apsued.html sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 16:32:40 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Funny Sidebar...Troll related > I believe that I have complied with every request Sp00k as made, reasonable > AND unreasonable. I just have chosen not to burden you with the rhetoric > here. For a while he stopped his troll behavior and I removed his troll > designation on the BBS. He has resumed that activity and the designation > will now be restored again until he stops behaving as a troll. I have no co > ntrol to stop his behavior, only he can control that , only HE can stop BEING > a troll. I have counted 192 posts in this flame war...this is my fourth. > OK this is to fuNNy, while dan has proclaimed he has relinquished power, he makes this statment, and conludeds that based on these allegations, he should use his admin powers on his BBS, to change my status... Here is the PUNCH LINE, he is doing this for my POSTS on the Angry Psychos E-Mail list, BECAUSE, I have not posted on dans / API BBS since I was banned, my name trashed and my posts removed. So, I don't post on dans / API BBS, and he is STILL going to HARASS me anyway. So now if you DON"T behave the way dan likes on the AP list, dan who claims FALSELY to have relinquished power, flexes those MUSCLES of his over here on the Angry Psychos E-Mail list, by proxy I guess you would call it... and makes a PERMANENT insult for all of his visitors to see... Then he comes here to tell everybody about it, like a dog pissing on a tree w00f w00f w00f.... For a guy who is sitting back in the shadows in private, he sure is doing a bucnch of manipulating.... Admit it dan, you got issues, CONTROL issues, under mutltiple deffintions. I said early on, you are POWER hungry... that is why YOU dan instigated ALL of the troubles that are currently occuring... and you just keep showing it. Bottom line dan you are not fit to lead, accpet it and move on . sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 18:15:52 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: They paved paradise Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They paved paradise And put up a parking lot With a pink hotel, a boutique And a swinging hot spot Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got Till it's gone They paved paradise And put up a parking lot They took all the trees Put 'em in a tree museum And they charged the people A dollar and a half just to see 'em Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got Till it's gone They paved paradise And put up a parking lot Hey farmer farmer Put away that DDT now Give me spots on my apples But leave me the birds and the bees Please! Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got Till it's gone They paved paradise And put up a parking lot Late last night I heard the screen door slam And a big yellow taxi Took away my old man Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got Till it's gone They paved paradise And put up a parking lot They paved paradise And put up a parking lot sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 20:23:02 -0500 From: "BirdBlack" Subject: Churchill A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. -- Churchill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 20:34:37 -0500 From: Kevin Intoen Subject: something I did when I was bored (npr) http://www.fag.org/ I suggest you don't view it if you're at work... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 23:43:46 EDT From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com Subject: Re: npr maybe its time to wave goodbye now why do people feel the need to let everyone know they are leaving? Do they expect someone to come beg them not to do it or think they will guilt people into changing?.. As if flame wars & npr's don't fill my box up enough.. Kind of like people that go to public places and threaten suicide. This a cry for help?Well hey come on stick around post some postitive stuff delete the bad , make a poe page and link us.. ;-) ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V7 #138 ***********************************