From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V7 #137 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Saturday, May 11 2002 Volume 07 : Number 137 Today's Subjects: ----------------- (n)PR: PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) [Jen Ralston ] Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) [PURPLMOJO@aol.co] Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? ["sp00k@poe.org" ] It can't be THAT bad [Robert Cobb ] NPR:(?) Web address for Dan's BBS ["Kristen Kirkland" ] Sadness ["Marshall Pierce" ] you got Sp00ks email too? [Prozackitty16@aol.com] Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) ["Conor Riley" Subject: (n)PR: PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) purple mojo said: Stop asking others to do for you what you can do for yourself. Use the delete button for any emails that have a subject line your tired of reading. Set up a mail filter to fileter out that subject Or a specific person. Delete any email from spook if you don't like what he has to say. (snip) many more of us do that i think then actually take the time to complain about what we have decided to read. we just haven't bothered to raise a hand or any individual digit for anyone's comments lately because we are just...deleting. i for one will keep doing so. just biding my time until a header promises actual tour date/recording information about poe, you know. until then, it's all npr to me anyway. - -jen Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:21:06 EDT From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com Subject: Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) In a message dated 5/10/2002 1:12:13 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, usscvn65@frontiernet.net writes: > By the way Blue Bastard, did you know that dan was suing Miki, Conor, Angie, > Craig, and get this, POE!!! What? :;laughs::that sounds Psycho.. Would like to know more about that.. I'm sure there is some rational to that, would love to hear it :;chuckles::but sounds crazy love it.. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:51:29 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? > > In a message dated 5/10/2002 1:12:13 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, > usscvn65@frontiernet.net writes: > > By the way Blue Bastard, did you know that dan was suing Miki, Conor, Angie, > > Craig, and get this, POE!!! > What? :;laughs::that sounds Psycho.. Would like to know more about that.. > I'm sure there is some rational to that, would love to hear it > :;chuckles::but sounds crazy love it.. Well ya know, it's Poe related, but we won't talk about that here, because it is not the haPPy, haPPy, joy, joy, news that everybody seeks. And over on dans bbs, if anyone dares to wander down a negative track, one of dans lil helpers threatens to move the subject to the "Instant Karma Room" but not before sprinkling in remarks and foul language that only an administrator could get away with... and I guess to remind you that they can... Last I read the main parties being sued who speak on the BBS being Miki and Conor, pretty much Miki went about trying to be reasonable with dan, who only made it worse for Miki each time she tried to make right any wrong she may have committed. I think Conor may have been banned at the time, maybe not, but bottom line, unless they also erased that thread, dan was or is making all the motions to have more than a half dozen people hauled into court. And for what purpose? Christ dan thinks and acts like he is the Jesse Jackson of AP peace, it seems he will go to any ends to get the powers that surround Poe to listen to him, including suing a 14 year old fan, even if it is his RIGHT to do so, is this the kind of shit that should be coming from a person that would lead? Why am I one of the few that thinks that it is WRONG for the API leadership to be turning lawyers loose on it's members and it's namesake? Over at dan's bbs, the threads for Corporate information remain empty, and no information is posted to the AP list, but certainly if the owner of the API BBS is or was suing POE, then there is MUCH that is going on that is Poe and AP related, and you would think that a corporation might make a PRESS Release on such matters.. sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:46:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Cobb Subject: It can't be THAT bad Honetly, people, I'm talking to everyone here, it can't be that bad, can it? Anyone remember ol' Xeno (hope I'm not calling him back from post limbo)? You gotta admit el-spookster is only half as annoying as X-man was(no offence spooks.) That reminded me of something, but that's neither nere nor there, so I digress. It's time to accept the fact that even though we are all fans of Poe, we don't have to be fans of eachother, in fact, it's quite alright for there to be a little rivalry. That's life, and here in America, it's a matter of pride to disagree. So to the people in your fantasy world where everyone gets along (albiet a good one to hold) wake up and smell the sh!t covered in lemon scented disenfectant (the scent of America, as opposed to France, which is just sh!t.) Thanks, haven't had a reason to speak out so strongly in a while. SrA Adahlfin That right, promotion, baby! ===== Adahlfin Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 19:20:09 -0400 From: "Kristen Kirkland" Subject: NPR:(?) Web address for Dan's BBS I was wondering if someone could post the web address for Dan's BBS. I have never checked it out, and it sounds like I should. Thanks. Kristen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:26:59 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: URL: BBS Sues 14 YO Fan Link here ya go, per request, information on how to reach dans bbs / the Angry Psyhocs Incorporated BBS http://bbs.poe.st Since the thread regarding the lawsuit is buried, I made a nice little short link to it http://www.freewebz.com/rochester/apsued.html go there and then click on the URL it will take you into the lawsuit thread, which incidently is in reagards to Poe Threads, the kind you wear.... or if you want to try to locate it and other goodies on your own, and there are MORE I promise, just stop by http://bbs.poe.st sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:49:59 -0400 From: "Marshall Pierce" Subject: Sadness You know, I have always dug Poe's music, and although I have been cursed never to see her perform live, I keep hoping! Anyway, this is about all the infighting that is going on between the AP's. The fact that we have , AP suing each other, and POE?!! What the Fuck, makes me ill. Really. This all should be about us enjoying the music and having fun. Not all the rest of this crap. While I will generally side with some of the people I have known on the list, I will say that I hope they stop lowering themselves to the other people's level. Poe if your out there, I hope your laughing, and not crying about what your fan club has become. A business, not a club at all it seems. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:51:11 EDT From: Prozackitty16@aol.com Subject: you got Sp00ks email too? Wait a sec....you were getting the emails I sent to spook too?!? I dont understand that. Really. I made note NOT to send it to the whole list. I must have done that accidently because I in no way wanted to do that. After all, I got on him about the same thing, sending his "Dan" emails out to everyone.... I'm sending this one out to the list so people no it was an accident that they got sent to them too. My bad! Sorry guys! ;) ~Gyspy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:37:54 -0400 From: "Conor Riley" Subject: Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) Thanks about the Happy b-day part Sp00k - ----- Original Message ----- From: "sp00k@poe.org" To: "BirdBlack" ; ; Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: Dan U still Suing Poe? PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BirdBlack" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: NPR: PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) > > > > > > It entertains me to debate inexplicable things as well. > > For the record, sp00k only annoys me when he lies about me. > > > Well lets see, I have said you are an X Cop per the mail you sent me stating such. > > I said you were a homophobe based on your wrtings at dans bbs. You may say that is a lie, > I may say that it is my opinioin of you based on your writings. Put it up for a poll on dans bbs, > maybe you are correct, and more people will vote that you are not a homophobe, but if one other > person votes that they feel it is a homophobic statement, that will make two of us, in fact one other > person alread posted to the real angry psychos list that they found your words offensive also. > > This is twice now you have mentioned this alleged lie of mine, spit it uP bird... > > > Other than that,.. he has inspired as many laughs as grimaces. > > I wish him the best, but as has been said of another recently, I suspect > > that in short order he will be sliced, diced, dipped in chocolate and sold > > as some sort of a cluster. > > Well lets see, if you got my ISP to ban me well I'd say while it is bad news for me, it is > horrible news for the AP's in general, as it is just another indicator of why the AP name should be > retired. Let's see, are you suing me? or is it dan that will be suing me? Going to try to make a case > that you or someone else was threatned by e-mail? All my posts have been to the list, or to the bbs, there has been no threats, > unless you want to fault me for talling dan to stop labling me as troll of face my furry... > > The biggest threat is what you and your ILK have done in the name of futhering silence . > > By the way Blue Bastard, did you know that dan was suing Miki, Conor, Angie, Craig, and get this, POE!!! Ya'll can say whatever ya > want, about who or what is PsYcHo... dan is suing a 14 year old kid, and POE!! well unless he dropped his lawsuit, I haven't done > much reading at dans bbs since I > was banned, and had my name and my posts trashed by the administartive staff over there, but yeah, unless you read dans bbs, you are > not going to know about this kind of stuff... > > I guess that's part of what I find baffling about this, so much is being said and done behind the scenes, I see a grandfather > suing a 14 year old FAN WTF? Oh yeah he may have just turned 15 haPPy b day Conor... yeah ok, tell me some more about me. > > sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 22:46:46 -0500 From: "BirdBlack" Subject: Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) /sigh ho7mo7pho7bi7a Pronunciation Key (hm-fb-) n. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men. Behavior based on such a feeling. sp00k, there is your lexical definition of the word. As I was once asked to help a young woman who happened to be lesbian (and bi-polar) adjust to the working world, I expect I would have declined were I homophobic. Do we have any Microsoft employees in the list? I was asked to help this young woman in early '96 (I think) and as part of it, I was asked to sign up for the "Gleam" email list. Gleam stands for Gays and Lesbians at Microsoft. I did, so that if the young lady had an episode, I might have a better idea of what set her off. Just being on the list had people assuming I was gay. I didn't care. I am secure in my masculinity. Just because you are not clever enough to understand my comments does not make me homophobic. Let me say it again,.. you didn't get it. You did not understand. Being called homophobic is much like being called racist in today's world. Get your facts right before you make such an accusation. If you have to lie about someone and demonize them to try to make your point, then it must be a really pathetically weak point. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Conor Riley" To: "sp00k@poe.org" ; "BirdBlack" ; ; Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) > > Thanks about the Happy b-day part Sp00k > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sp00k@poe.org" > To: "BirdBlack" ; ; > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:04 PM > Subject: Dan U still Suing Poe? PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "BirdBlack" > > To: ; > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 4:09 PM > > Subject: Re: NPR: PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) > > > > > > > > > > It entertains me to debate inexplicable things as well. > > > For the record, sp00k only annoys me when he lies about me. > > > > > > Well lets see, I have said you are an X Cop per the mail you sent me > stating such. > > > > I said you were a homophobe based on your wrtings at dans bbs. You > may say that is a lie, > > I may say that it is my opinioin of you based on your writings. Put it > up for a poll on dans bbs, > > maybe you are correct, and more people will vote that you are not a > homophobe, but if one other > > person votes that they feel it is a homophobic statement, that will make > two of us, in fact one other > > person alread posted to the real angry psychos list that they found your > words offensive also. > > > > This is twice now you have mentioned this alleged lie of mine, spit it > uP bird... > > > > > Other than that,.. he has inspired as many laughs as grimaces. > > > I wish him the best, but as has been said of another recently, I suspect > > > that in short order he will be sliced, diced, dipped in chocolate and > sold > > > as some sort of a cluster. > > > > Well lets see, if you got my ISP to ban me well I'd say while it is > bad news for me, it is > > horrible news for the AP's in general, as it is just another indicator of > why the AP name should be > > retired. Let's see, are you suing me? or is it dan that will be suing > me? Going to try to make a case > > that you or someone else was threatned by e-mail? All my posts have been > to the list, or to the bbs, there has been no threats, > > unless you want to fault me for talling dan to stop labling me as troll of > face my furry... > > > > The biggest threat is what you and your ILK have done in the name of > futhering silence . > > > > By the way Blue Bastard, did you know that dan was suing Miki, Conor, > Angie, Craig, and get this, POE!!! Ya'll can say whatever ya > > want, about who or what is PsYcHo... dan is suing a 14 year old kid, and > POE!! well unless he dropped his lawsuit, I haven't done > > much reading at dans bbs since I > > was banned, and had my name and my posts trashed by the administartive > staff over there, but yeah, unless you read dans bbs, you are > > not going to know about this kind of stuff... > > > > I guess that's part of what I find baffling about this, so much is > being said and done behind the scenes, I see a grandfather > > suing a 14 year old FAN WTF? Oh yeah he may have just turned 15 haPPy b > day Conor... yeah ok, tell me some more about me. > > > > sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 00:09:29 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) sigh ho7mo7pho7bi7a Pronunciation Key (hm-fb-) n. Fear of or CONTEMPT for lesbians and gay men. Behavior based on such a feeling. OK bird. One entry found for CONTEMPT Main Entry: con7tempt Pronunciation: k&n-'tem(p)t Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Latin contemptus, from contemnere Date: 14th century 1 a : the act of despising : the state of mind of one who despises : DISDAIN b : lack of respect or reverence for something 2 : the state of being despised 3 : willful disobedience to or open disrespect of a court, judge, or legislative body One entry found for contempt. I don't think it is an exageration to say that your statment is filled with resentment, with an emphasis on "DESPISING" the fact that "Men can prance like 14 yeatr old ballerinas" "For good or ill, genders have been erased. Any woman can act like a man and have few think the worse of her. Men can prance like 14 year old ballerinas and are given protection in the law above the rest of us." Also, aren't you stereotyping gay men by implying that they ALL prance like 14 year old ballerinas? How do you know this to be true? Have you witnessed this? Did you see the law give some sort of special protection to a man prancing like a 14 year old ballerina? Who are "the rest of us" and how much better do these men who prance like 14 year old ballerainas have it over "the rest of us" is "the rest of us" the "superior community" that you have over at the "BBS" ? Or is this just how you feel, and not a fact at all? Oh and wasn't it that great crusasder for equality Jesse Jackson who let slip with the "Kike" word? Or would that be "The Most Reverand Al Shaprton" ? Get OFF it bird. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:33:03 -0500 From: "BirdBlack" Subject: Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) Had a feeling I'd get a direct reply so I took you off delete. Whe you take one line out of context it sounds totally different from the entire piece. Ok idiot, here comes the 3rd grade break down for you.... First what I wrote,.. then what it means,.. in small words,.. just for you. For good or ill, genders have been erased. Any woman can act like a man and have few think the worse of her. Men can prance like 14 year old ballerinas and are given protection in the law above the rest of us. East coast, West cost, there are no coasts when the seas rise and drown us all. When the water laps at my calves, I'll stand next to the woman with a curve to her hip and a secret smile behind her eyes,... sword or no. 1) For good or ill, genders have been erased. It does not matter if you like it or not, now anybody can be anybody. 2) Any woman can act like a man and have few think the worse of her. Men can prance like 14 year old ballerinas and are given protection in the law above the rest of us. There are no more definitions, even unto the reach of the law. Nobody says I can sue if I get fired because I am straight, but they spell it out in the law that you can sue if you get fired because you are gay. 3) East coast, West cost, there are no coasts when the seas rise and drown us all. We all live in one world, and what effects the straight effects the gay and vice versa. When important things are done or said, nobody with a brain gives a rat's ass about who the the person who said it likes to fuck. 4) When the water laps at my calves, I'll stand next to the woman with a curve to her hip and a secret smile behind her eyes,... sword or no When I really want someone with me, make that someone a woman. I don't really care if she is strong or weak, only that I can tell she is a woman. Now, a racist person like you should look to your own house before calling out others. "Oh and wasn't it that great crusasder for equality Jesse Jackson who let slip with the "Kike" word? Or would that be "The Most Reverand Al Shaprton" ?" Your words I believe, and I even did what you would not,.. I quoted ALL of them.. Not a word out of context there. So just what DO you have against black people Mr. sp00k? Is that sp00k as in sheet wearing KKK member? Firey cross in your yard? In someone elses? Now, for the record, I don't actually consider you racist. I GOT the point you were trying to make,.. but how would YOU like if if I kept to YOUR ethical code and lead other people to believe that you were actually a racist? That is what you have done to me. You have quoted me out of context, which is the same as a lie, and lead others to belive something about me that is not true. Throw your 3 year old tantrums all you want, but leave slander out of your pack of crap. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "sp00k@poe.org" To: "BirdBlack" ; "Conor Riley" ; ; Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:09 PM Subject: Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) > sigh > > ho7mo7pho7bi7a Pronunciation Key (hm-fb-) > n. > Fear of or CONTEMPT for lesbians and gay men. > Behavior based on such a feeling. > > OK bird. > > > One entry found for CONTEMPT > > Main Entry: con7tempt > Pronunciation: k&n-'tem(p)t > Function: noun > Etymology: Middle English, from Latin contemptus, from contemnere > Date: 14th century > 1 a : the act of despising : the state of mind of one who despises : DISDAIN b : lack of respect or reverence for something > 2 : the state of being despised > 3 : willful disobedience to or open disrespect of a court, judge, or legislative body > > One entry found for contempt. > > I don't think it is an exageration to say that your statment is filled with resentment, with an emphasis > on "DESPISING" the fact that "Men can prance like 14 yeatr old ballerinas" > > > "For good or ill, genders have been erased. Any woman can act like a man and have few think the worse of her. Men can prance like 14 > year old ballerinas and are given protection in the law above the rest of us." > > Also, aren't you stereotyping gay men by implying that they ALL prance like 14 year old ballerinas? > How do you know this to be true? Have you witnessed this? Did you see the law give some sort > of special protection to a man prancing like a 14 year old ballerina? Who are "the rest of us" and how > much better do these men who prance like 14 year old ballerainas have it over "the rest of us" is > "the rest of us" the "superior community" that you have over at the "BBS" ? > > Or is this just how you feel, and not a fact at all? > > > Oh and wasn't it that great crusasder for equality Jesse Jackson who let slip with the "Kike" word? > Or would that be "The Most Reverand Al Shaprton" ? > > Get OFF it bird. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 00:51:46 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: Dan U still Suing Poe? PLEEEASE READ(desperate cry) Well bird, you present yourself as an intellignent individual... I would suspect that you must have been around more than a few seminars on what defines sexual harassment. It does not matter what you meant, all that matters is if anybody is offended by what you say. Taken in it's original context? This all started over the admins getting high and mighty over the Jesus thread. It was my postion that things that you and the other admins on the dan / API BBS were saying things that OTHERS aside from your "superior community" might find offensive, while you were sitting in judgement of others. And you know what bird, to be honest, I wasn't even stretching it when I said I felt your statement was homophobic, no more than I felt I was stretching it when I said I felt dan was acting in an anti semetic fashion when he chose to use an avatar of hitler complete with swastica. You admins at the bbs have been allowed into important positions, it is unfortunate that not a single one of you has proven to be humble enough to be worthy. ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V7 #137 ***********************************