From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V7 #132 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Tuesday, May 7 2002 Volume 07 : Number 132 Today's Subjects: ----------------- What has Poe been up to lately? ["Bad Bender" ] Re: What has Poe been up to lately? [Dan98908@aol.com] AP Board position open [Dan98908@aol.com] Re: Final post as AP Board Member ( not quiting, term expired) [PURPLMOJO] Re: AP Board position open - Sent in error [Dan98908@aol.com] corporation and etc (reply to entire digest) [Kevin Intoen ] Interview questions for Paul Fishkin [Dan98908@aol.com] Friday, 5/10/2002 Rob Barber, a.k.a. BirdBlack will be interviewing Paul Fishkin. ["BirdBlack" ] Re: Homophobia on "AP" BBS ["Rob Darke" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 00:44:56 -0500 From: "Bad Bender" Subject: What has Poe been up to lately? What has Poe been up to lately? Has she been recording any new tracks or performing anywhere? What is the status of her career? How is she making ends meet? As a fan of her music I'd like to know how's she doing. "Oxygen, the worst drug ever. Instantly addictive and the withdrawal symptoms include unconsciousness and death." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 01:58:26 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: What has Poe been up to lately? Hello thegeneral@knology.net, In reference to your comment: h What has Poe been up to lately? Has she been h recording any new tracks or performing anywhere? h What is the status of her career? How is she making h ends meet? As a fan of her music I'd like to know h how's she doing. How bout if I just let you listen to Poe answer you...this was current about 2 months ago. There are some major developments over the last week and we expect even more this next week. The biggest is that she is no longer with Nettwerk Management as of Friday. Click here to listen to Poe from Feb, 2002-Brad's Interview ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 02:06:55 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: AP Board position open The timing of this sucks, but I don't run the calendar ... Angry Psychos, Inc was incorporated in October of last year. The members of the Board were structured to come up for election two each May. The first two members terms to expire are my own and that of Brenda Ball's. (brendles). I need to get hold of Tim Dube and find out if he has reconsidered leaving, if not then his position is also open. We need to open nominations for two director seats and then vote. For the record, I would like to continue in my position. If I am not voted in after recent events I will understand, though I would leave the Board with regret. If there is not a motion to the contrary I would like to offer that Brenda and I remain on the Board until elections can be held. I suggest elections be held on June 1 and nominations be accepted until May 15. I would like to nominate Brenda Ball to continue her position for a full three year term. I must stress that this has NOTHING to do with recent events. These two terms were six month terms that expired April 30. If I am not re-nominated and elected I will still continue to do everything I can to continue to promote Poe and the Angry Psychos. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 02:13:51 EDT From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com Subject: Re: Final post as AP Board Member ( not quiting, term expired) Amen Dan. Long live the Angry Psycho's Lord Lonnie Forsaken Angry Psycho -Alaska ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 02:16:51 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: AP Board position open - Sent in error Hello Dan98908@aol.com, In reference to your comment: h The timing of this sucks, but I don't run the calendar ... h Angry Psychos, Inc was incorporated in October of last h year. The members of the Board were structured to h come up for election two each May. The first two h members terms to expire are my own and that of h Brenda Ball's. (brendles). I need to get hold of Tim h Dube and find out if he has reconsidered leaving, if not h then his position is also open. We need to open h nominations for two director seats and then vote. For h the record, I would like to continue in my position. If I h am not voted in after recent events I will understand, h though I would leave the Board with regret. If there is h not a motion to the contrary I would like to offer that h Brenda and I remain on the Board until elections can h be held. I suggest elections be held on June 1 and h nominations be accepted until May 15. I would like to h nominate Brenda Ball to continue her position for a full h three year term. I must stress that this has NOTHING h to do with recent events. These two terms were six h month terms that expired April 30. If I am not h re-nominated and elected I will still continue to do h everything I can to continue to promote Poe and the h Angry Psychos. WHile the facts of this message are true, I told Jarrod I would hold off and let him work out a nomination and election process. I had this message on hold as a draft and it was sent in error. Look to hear from Jarrod in thje near future. Sorry Jarrod.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 03:36:10 -0500 From: Kevin Intoen Subject: corporation and etc (reply to entire digest) [snip] > Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 14:34:10 EDT > From: Dan98908@aol.com > Subject: Final post as AP Board Member ( not quiting, term expired) [snip] > It stops NOW! We are at war. We have had to declare martial law on the BBS. > For the duration of this war to liberate TRUTH and restore our beloved > Queen, the Mistress of Groove to her throne, there will NOT be freedom of > speech! > > During this moratorium on freedom of speech the remaining admins will review > posts by those who would disrupt the war effort and have the author rewrite > them or perhaps even reject them. For the duration of the war, freedom of > speech must be restricted, much as it is in more traditional wars between > countries. I'm hoping this is a joke in reference to the whole "sp00k as bin Laden, Dan as Bush" thing.. [snip] > Since your comment was left open ended, may I suggest that the rosponsibility > is being CONTINUED by the Angry Psychos as a unit thru THEIR corporate > structure...another benefit of having incorporated. I have to express my misgivings here. For the record, Dan's emailed me privately about the corporation, and I think that in itself it's a good idea. However, it's been my understanding that the corporation and BBS were separate from the mailing list. I'd like to see it kept that way, personally. As it stands right now the mailing list is just that, a mailing list, for discussion of Poe-related (among other) things. Saying that it's part of a corporate structure, regardless of the intentions, puts it in a whole different context (legal and otherwise). > The advantage of a corporation is that it lives forever, or until the members > of the corporation decide to kill it. I theory long after Jarrod, myself, or > the youngest member on the list now is gone the list can continue to operate Poe herself will be dead after the youngest member of the list is dead..so what would be the point of the corporation? :) Again..you're talking about the list and the corporation as if they're one entity, and as much as I respect the fact that you have a vision in regards to the corporation, I'm still for the list remaining a separate entity. However..since your term is up, and given the understanding I have of how it's supposed to work, which is that any list member can vote or nominate a member to the board, I officially nominate you for reelection, for whatever that's worth :) By the way..I know this post is a mixture of two different posts you made, but I accidentally deleted the first part of the second message and I'm too lazy to correct my error :) [snip] > Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 19:43:40 EDT > From: JezebeIlnHeII@aol.com > Subject: Re: Final post as AP Board Member ( not quiting, term expired) > > GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! > > Okay, I have silently deleted hoardes of email while reading only enuf to get > a glimpse of what is going on. I am aware that there is a conflict between > Dan and Sp00k ( suprise, suprise) amd that the fate of the mailing list is up > in the air. What I don't understand is why people run away ?! I think you're mistaken about a couple of things... The fate of the mailing list is NOT up in the air...amato simply asked for a volunteer to manage bouncing emails, etc. I assume he's been doing it since then..I suppose the list would still work if nobody at all steps forward to do all that, except that the list would keep sending posts/digests to emails that become invalid, etc, until someone removes them. [snip] > hell do you do that ? So everyone doesn't agree... so WHAT ??? You have your > own vision ... your own way to support Poe. Go with it.. and screw anyone who > tells you how you SHOULD be doing it. Final post ?? ( you posted after that, Maybe his way of supporting Poe also includes at least attempting to keep the peace to an extent? Also..that was his last post as an API board member..not his last post period. [snip] > express himself any way he chooses. If people don't like it, they can DELETE! I think the issue wasn't with what he was expressing, it was that his posts towards the end were more towards inundating the lists with messages and not really making any points at all. [snip] > The one thing I cannot stand is people who constantly post that they are > leaving the list because they don't like so and so. Good riddance. Geez.. we Actually, if they post that they're leaving, and then leave, they can't be "constantly" doing it. I think you mean the fact that everybody leaving feels the urge to post some sniveling rant saying the same thing the other zillion bastards leaving before them said. I agree though; fuck 'em if they can't take the heat. [snip] > As for the list.. I would hate to see it turned over to anyone. I like our > silent > " moderator" who lets the list simply exist. Leave it alone... it all works > out in the end. I think that amato was making the point that he simply doesn't have time for the routine maintenance jobs anymore and is asking for somebody to do it for him. I'm assuming that regardless of who steps in this will NOT be a list that is actively moderated. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 15:13:22 +0000 From: tohaveaplan@att.net Subject: A very smart Jezebell Regarding Jez in Hel;'s statement (below) I am seconding the motion to leave the list moderated in the manner it currently is. I also back the theory that not everyone is made to fit with everyone else's life/communication style. When the venom starts to flow I just skip certain people's bad- mannered dr00l on this list and continue with the good vibrations. The only change I would like to see on this list is the ability to click on daily topics at the top of the digest to make it easier for people like myself who neither have the time for in-fighting or the aptitude for making Poe-time so political. (I mean c'mon yawn.) I think the one good thing that will come out of all of this is the realization that no one runs anything. We all contribute (some more, some less, but by even being on the list you contribute) to something that is it's own entity. It is foolish to relinquish power you don't have and it is only a fool who points fingers and says you took power from me. Have a nice day all. P.S. shouldn't we all be more worried about contacting Poe and finding out what is happening in her career right now? Regards, ABC "GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! Okay, I have silently deleted hoardes of email while reading only enuf to get a glimpse of what is going on. I am aware that there is a conflict between Dan and Sp00k ( suprise, suprise) amd that the fate of the mailing list is up in the air. What I don't understand is why people run away ?! Dan, you are my friend, so please forgive my comments if you don't like them. Why do you always run away ? It PISSES me off !!! You dive headfirst into every situation .. and then apologize and leave when it gets hot? Why the hell do you do that ? So everyone doesn't agree... so WHAT ??? You have your own vision ... your own way to support Poe. Go with it.. and screw anyone who tells you how you SHOULD be doing it. Final post ?? ( you posted after that, by the way) . You have every right to express what you want to here. If people don't like it.. they can DELETE! As for Sp00k ... another member I greatly admire. Who else has the balls to say exactly what they feel ? I don't have to agree with everything posted, but I sure as hell support the right to be heard. There is never any guess work or bullshit.. just the world accoprding to Sp00k. He has a right to express himself any way he chooses. If people don't like it, they can DELETE! The one thing I cannot stand is people who constantly post that they are leaving the list because they don't like so and so. Good riddance. Geez.. we are not ONLY Poe fans. We are a large group of individuals with a variety of opinions and personalities. Take what you want and leave the rest. Does everything have to be so damn personal? As for the list.. I would hate to see it turned over to anyone. I like our silent " moderator" who lets the list simply exist. Leave it alone... it all works out in the end. ~jez" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:02:45 -0400 From: "Pierce, Marshall" Subject: RE: A very smart Jezebell Hey, if Dan is really stepping down, I'd like to nominate Conor, and Miki for the spot, I don't know if this is the place to do so, so if someone would 'educate' me as to the how...Let me know. - -----Original Message----- From: tohaveaplan@att.net [mailto:tohaveaplan@att.net] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:13 AM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: A very smart Jezebell Regarding Jez in Hel;'s statement (below) I am seconding the motion to leave the list moderated in the manner it currently is. I also back the theory that not everyone is made to fit with everyone else's life/communication style. When the venom starts to flow I just skip certain people's bad- mannered dr00l on this list and continue with the good vibrations. The only change I would like to see on this list is the ability to click on daily topics at the top of the digest to make it easier for people like myself who neither have the time for in-fighting or the aptitude for making Poe-time so political. (I mean c'mon yawn.) I think the one good thing that will come out of all of this is the realization that no one runs anything. We all contribute (some more, some less, but by even being on the list you contribute) to something that is it's own entity. It is foolish to relinquish power you don't have and it is only a fool who points fingers and says you took power from me. Have a nice day all. P.S. shouldn't we all be more worried about contacting Poe and finding out what is happening in her career right now? Regards, ABC "GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! Okay, I have silently deleted hoardes of email while reading only enuf to get a glimpse of what is going on. I am aware that there is a conflict between Dan and Sp00k ( suprise, suprise) amd that the fate of the mailing list is up in the air. What I don't understand is why people run away ?! Dan, you are my friend, so please forgive my comments if you don't like them. Why do you always run away ? It PISSES me off !!! You dive headfirst into every situation .. and then apologize and leave when it gets hot? Why the hell do you do that ? So everyone doesn't agree... so WHAT ??? You have your own vision ... your own way to support Poe. Go with it.. and screw anyone who tells you how you SHOULD be doing it. Final post ?? ( you posted after that, by the way) . You have every right to express what you want to here. If people don't like it.. they can DELETE! As for Sp00k ... another member I greatly admire. Who else has the balls to say exactly what they feel ? I don't have to agree with everything posted, but I sure as hell support the right to be heard. There is never any guess work or bullshit.. just the world accoprding to Sp00k. He has a right to express himself any way he chooses. If people don't like it, they can DELETE! The one thing I cannot stand is people who constantly post that they are leaving the list because they don't like so and so. Good riddance. Geez.. we are not ONLY Poe fans. We are a large group of individuals with a variety of opinions and personalities. Take what you want and leave the rest. Does everything have to be so damn personal? As for the list.. I would hate to see it turned over to anyone. I like our silent " moderator" who lets the list simply exist. Leave it alone... it all works out in the end. ~jez" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:05:19 -0400 From: "Pierce, Marshall" Subject: OOPS! Ooops, I just snagged the Angry Psycho mail tag from a mail, and forgot to change the subject... - -----Original Message----- From: Pierce, Marshall [mailto:MRPierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:03 PM To: 'angry-psychos@smoe.org' Subject: RE: A very smart Jezebell Hey, if Dan is really stepping down, I'd like to nominate Conor, and Miki for the spot, I don't know if this is the place to do so, so if someone would 'educate' me as to the how...Let me know. - -----Original Message----- From: tohaveaplan@att.net [mailto:tohaveaplan@att.net] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:13 AM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: A very smart Jezebell Regarding Jez in Hel;'s statement (below) I am seconding the motion to leave the list moderated in the manner it currently is. I also back the theory that not everyone is made to fit with everyone else's life/communication style. When the venom starts to flow I just skip certain people's bad- mannered dr00l on this list and continue with the good vibrations. The only change I would like to see on this list is the ability to click on daily topics at the top of the digest to make it easier for people like myself who neither have the time for in-fighting or the aptitude for making Poe-time so political. (I mean c'mon yawn.) I think the one good thing that will come out of all of this is the realization that no one runs anything. We all contribute (some more, some less, but by even being on the list you contribute) to something that is it's own entity. It is foolish to relinquish power you don't have and it is only a fool who points fingers and says you took power from me. Have a nice day all. P.S. shouldn't we all be more worried about contacting Poe and finding out what is happening in her career right now? Regards, ABC "GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! Okay, I have silently deleted hoardes of email while reading only enuf to get a glimpse of what is going on. I am aware that there is a conflict between Dan and Sp00k ( suprise, suprise) amd that the fate of the mailing list is up in the air. What I don't understand is why people run away ?! Dan, you are my friend, so please forgive my comments if you don't like them. Why do you always run away ? It PISSES me off !!! You dive headfirst into every situation .. and then apologize and leave when it gets hot? Why the hell do you do that ? So everyone doesn't agree... so WHAT ??? You have your own vision ... your own way to support Poe. Go with it.. and screw anyone who tells you how you SHOULD be doing it. Final post ?? ( you posted after that, by the way) . You have every right to express what you want to here. If people don't like it.. they can DELETE! As for Sp00k ... another member I greatly admire. Who else has the balls to say exactly what they feel ? I don't have to agree with everything posted, but I sure as hell support the right to be heard. There is never any guess work or bullshit.. just the world accoprding to Sp00k. He has a right to express himself any way he chooses. If people don't like it, they can DELETE! The one thing I cannot stand is people who constantly post that they are leaving the list because they don't like so and so. Good riddance. Geez.. we are not ONLY Poe fans. We are a large group of individuals with a variety of opinions and personalities. Take what you want and leave the rest. Does everything have to be so damn personal? As for the list.. I would hate to see it turned over to anyone. I like our silent " moderator" who lets the list simply exist. Leave it alone... it all works out in the end. ~jez" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 16:19:38 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Interview questions for Paul Fishkin AP Rob (BirdBlack on the BBS, modern_man on the list) will be recording an interview for the Angry Psychos with Paul Fishkin Friday night. The audio will then be streamed on the bbs . If you have any questions for Paul feel free to ask them here or on the BBS and we will get to them as time allows. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 15:44:27 -0500 From: "BirdBlack" Subject: Friday, 5/10/2002 Rob Barber, a.k.a. BirdBlack will be interviewing Paul Fishkin. Friday, 5/10/2002 Rob Barber, a.k.a. BirdBlack will be interviewing Paul Fishkin. Please visit the BBS on http://angry-psychos.infopop.cc and post any questions you would like Paul to answer. Paul is the former owner of Modern Records, the man who recognized Poe's genius and signed her to her first record contract. It is Paul who is negotiating the new joint venture to replace the loss of Atlantic Records and get Poe back on the road and new material in the music stores. Paul is currently the owner of FEI, Poe's record label. The recorded interview will be posted on the site 5/11. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 16:51:55 -0400 From: "Conor Riley" Subject: open position i think AP Marshall nominated me for the open position, i would really like to take on the role. Lemme know if i can help - -conor- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 15:17:32 -0600 From: "Rob Darke" Subject: Re: Homophobia on "AP" BBS Wow... that really pisses me off. I don't quite feel like going off on a rant about it... but, point is... fuck you "Birdblack." If this is where the AP's are going, then you can pretty much count me out as well. And I'm not talking about just that post. I'm talking about all the bullshit in-fighting. What the hell's wrong with everyone? Rob >From: "sp00k@poe.org" >To: "angry psychos" >Subject: Homophobia on "AP" BBS >Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:41:32 -0400 > > >What kind of siht is this, now I'm really getting pissed. Now we have two >of the >"Administators" of the so called "Angry Psychos Incorporated" BBS taking >part in >what is CLEARLY anti-Semetic, and now Anti Gay and Lesbian behavior > >Three people voted to ban a guy who started out a thread making fun of >Jesus Christ. >Here is what one of those three gods have to say. > >From: BirdBlack > >Administrator >Member # 169 > > >"For good or ill, genders have been erased. Any woman can act like a man >and have few think the worse of her. Men can prance like 14 >year old ballerinas and are given protection in the law above the rest of >us." > >I am not at all comfortable with these people representing us. I would >like to hear from the so called >"Angry Psychos Incorporated" BOARD as to why these people are given the >power to pass judgement >on what is appropriate, when clearly they have their heads up their ass. > >BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT! > >sp00k etc ... >Http://Poe.Org >Http://DigitalSter.Com >================================================================== _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V7 #132 ***********************************