From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V7 #122 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Tuesday, April 30 2002 Volume 07 : Number 122 Today's Subjects: ----------------- part 2 ["sp00k@poe.org" ] part 3 ["sp00k@poe.org" ] part 4 ["sp00k@poe.org" ] part 5 ["sp00k@poe.org" ] part 6 ["sp00k@poe.org" ] part 7 ["sp00k@poe.org" ] part 8 ["sp00k@poe.org" ] part 9 ["sp00k@poe.org" ] part 10 ["sp00k@poe.org" ] part 11 ["sp00k@poe.org" ] part 12 ["sp00k@poe.org" ] part 13 ["sp00k@poe.org" ] part 14 ["sp00k@poe.org" ] part 15 ["sp00k@poe.org" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:01:10 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: part 2 OUCH shirts, if i could change my order littlekif : she replied yes but hasn't done anything on it POEtic : Poe does not like hurting people and I don;t think she knows how far this has gone LivTheMdns : I got news for you, how much of a business did angie have before POEtic : Poe and Johnny own realpoe, Atlantic owns p-o-e 8AngelEyes has returned. littlekif : why, oh why, did they buy it together? LivTheMdns : from what I hear, angie's business wasn't much of a cash cow before poe showed up (more like a bunch of bull) chickie : what if she finds out and it just upsets her beyond belief POEtic : OK, let me find out about the shirts. I am going up to Vancouver to see the owner of Nettwerk and I will ask him what can be done about that chickie : we don't want her to feel bad POEtic : They printed those shirts and get a kickback on the ones sold littlekif : you don't have to do that, but thaks! littlekif : a very messy, wingsauce covered thanks! chickie : wings!!!!!!!!!! POEtic : You are right Mike, but that is beside the point, she has nowhere else to go and Poe doesn;t want to cut her loose littleREDelf : wb AngelEyes littlekif : she can't be making that much off of this POEtic : Besides Angie CAN be a very sweet and she wraps stuff up really nice, takes the extra effort littlekif : does she have any other marketable skills? POEtic : I think Angie will be fine if Poe uses her behind the scenes, maybe running the shipping and recieving for her store LivTheMdns : still... arguing angie deserves to be kept for having quit MomentumWorldWire is like saying that Tom Lay shouldn't be fired from McDonald's because he left enron to work there littlekif : maybe she can be -encouraged- to another line of work LivTheMdns : the concept makes good sense, but in reality, there's a hole in the logic chickie : does kit have an idea, lol littlekif : i hear they need motorcycle cops AngelEyes : LOL POEtic : Angie is Johnny's friend and to expect Poe to fire her in unrealistic, though we have seen her fire some very GOOD people before, so not unheard of, right EJ? littlekif : when i turn 21.. hell yeah POEtic : exej AngelEyes : i got pulled over by one on Thursday littleREDelf : ::: is curious about the logical holes ::: LivTheMdns : thanks but no thanks, angie sees a license plate that pisses her off and suspends someone's license (saying you're banned all along) 8ZoeyPunk has joined the conversation. littlekif : she could make beaded bracelets POEtic : WB Zoey ZoeyPunk : ty AngelEyes : or do basket weaving littleREDelf : wb Zoey chickie : okay, so why was angie so quick to ban everyone a few weeks ago when you all got back in and you didn't even say anything bad AT ALL ZoeyPunk : ty BirdBlack : Zoey you missed it all. Dan banned Elf, and anounced that he and I are getting married in the fall. ZoeyPunk : im so happy for you! chickie : what bird? chickie : don't get me pissed littleREDelf : lol BirdBlack : You can be the best man,.. Elf is the flower girl. ZoeyPunk : so someone fill me in ZoeyPunk : yay! chickie : b.s. i am the 4th baby littlekif : a break in the stream of wives sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:01:51 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: part 3 POEtic : Angie has issues, I don't know that I have ever met a woman so vendictive, she is worse the Bird's ex'ssssssss BirdBlack : Hmm,.. she may BE my second X come to think of it. chickie : it seems like she hates you and all you did was help her POEtic : But when she is not pissed at you she can be very sweet, in a space cadet, marin County wannabe hippy kind of way chickie : omg POEtic : Have any of you talked to her voice? ZoeyPunk : marin county lol exej : yes dan i have littleREDelf : ::: has ::: ZoeyPunk : <--- angie virgin POEtic : Am I describing her phone style accuratly? chickie : never had the pleasure? ZoeyPunk : lol POEtic : I have talked to her maybe 30-40 hours and not a bad word between us EVER!!! chickie : like a phone sex operator, i heard, lol POEtic : bUT AT SOME POINT i DID something THAT TWEAKED HER littlekif : licks grease off fingers... we just need to find an outled for her energy chickie : she got jealous cause of you and Paul being tight POEtic : Erik??? How would you describe her, be honest...we KNOWE she doesn't like me, I would like to know your impressions chickie : and getting all the juicy leads chickie : so what kind of tour can we expect? exej : i have spoken with her only briefly, after i was told that my plane trip home was canceled... she seemed rather mellow and nonhostile to me littlekif : maybe we could encourage her to talk to us as a friend POEtic : I don;t think so, she had exclusive access to Poe, I don;t think it was jelousy over my industry contacts, maybe over the APs having a tight relationship with Poe, but not over me POEtic : I have NEVER heard her hostile and never heard her utter and angry or hurtful word POEtic : That is why you have never heard me hit her as a person, only what she does chickie : APS that makes sense, all the bus stuff LivTheMdns was stalking poe littlekif : oh, so many wings LivTheMdns : and didn't even know it LivTheMdns : chickie : wings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! exej : well, having never really experienced the underpants gnomes in action myself, i was a little bit offended at my misquote that lead to becoming a terroristic threat POEtic : So was I, and Miki was working on a kidnap plot, from what I was told exej : i mean, washing a bus and spraypainting a bus are two different things chickie : oh really littlekif : and why poe would believe it even for an instant.. chickie : and what were you going to do with her???? exej : but i don't really have complete and total faith in the fact that that was any doing of angie's POEtic : (We were to tickle her feet till she told us Mark's birthday or some piece of trivia ) POEtic : She was shown doctored email supposedly from us, supposedly published in the AP mailing list chickie : slander lawsuit me thinks POEtic : Were you in the conversation at Cleveland or Pitsburgh Erik? littlekif : do you know if anyone from the p-o-e camp might be posting in disguise? POEtic : I have only been given the info from Becca and Tim littleREDelf : who cares if they are kif sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:03:10 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: part 4 littleREDelf : let them chickie : we could sue for slander and we don't want money, we want, well, what do we want littlekif : i was just wondrin' POEtic : Tim was nearly in tears when Poe was telling her what she was being told about the APs chickie : I AM REALLY ANGIE, HAHHAHAHA littleREDelf : lol POEtic : Who do you think it might have been Erik? POEtic : I have never heard any alternate theory LivTheMdns : be right back chickie : YOU ARE ALL BANNED chickie : no, that's not funny anymore chickie : next ZoeyPunk : brb POEtic : Hang on a sec Jodi, I would really like to hear what Erik has to say, this could be some VERY important info that I haven't heard chickie : cool POEtic : I would really like to hear an alternate explaination, cause Angie says it is not her too! POEtic : She says it was Atlantic and you saw Atlantics post that it is not exej : i was there in pittsburgh POEtic : OK, what are the missing pieces? exej : you have to understand that there are plenty of people that communicate with poe POEtic : Nikki says it is NOT Atlantic exej : nettwerk was also involved on the tour exej : it could conceivably have been patrick misquoting exej : but i don't point fingers in either direction exej : i don't know where poe got the info from littlekif : who showed poe the email exej : she didn't tell tim and mark POEtic : True, but Nettwerk did not have access to Poe's email, where she said a lot of the fear came from, Angie did POEtic : Tim said that she got the info from her email and from the AP list exej : yes exej : but when mark showed her what was on the ap list exej : she thanked him but said that wasn't what she was referring to POEtic : Are you saying that Nettwerk might have been sending Poe threatniong email saying it was us? exej : she said she had received much more hurtful and direct emails to her regular email address littlekif : why woulcd nettwerk care? exej : no i'm saying that it's quite possible that the angry psychos are looking at it as our being involved POEtic : Right, which Nettwerk did not have access to but it was Angies job to screen ZoeyPunk : back exej : when in reality it may have been a truly angry psycho not in the fan of poe sense that was sending such threats exej : none of us have "seen" the actual threats littlekif : that is a possibility littlekif : but one who has access to her email addy chickie : so it goes beyond spraypainting a bus then? POEtic : She named me and Mike specificly I have been told, I don;t think you sent anything did you Mike and i KNOW that I didn't exej : who named you and mike? exej : and as far as i know, mike HAS BEEN stalking poe, i saw him behind her house last night (j/k) POEtic : According to Nettwerk Mike and I were named specificly as being potentially dangerous to Poe and "stalking" her sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:03:54 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: part 5 exej : okay, so that's coming from nettwerk exej : what did poe say? AngelEyes : that is insane! exej : and how does angie fit in to such an equation POEtic : I believe that Poe indicated the same without using my name but descriptive enough that it was likely me POEtic : It all came from AP list ( spray painting bus and kidnap was AP list) and Poe's email POEtic : Nettwerk may be reading the list but only Poe and Angie get the email exej : no, i distinctly recall mark telling me that the spray painting was off list LivTheMdns : hehe LivTheMdns : guilty POEtic : Poe said to the APs in Portland..."OK, I am on to Angie and I WILL take care of it" So on 12/5 she thought it was Angie too POEtic : Not true, I have the post exej : okay exej : well mark took visual proof that the spray painting was not on the list POEtic : Remember the post from Jarrod We need to show our Psycho love to Poe, get permission form the venues to sparya paint huge banners for Poe and media events like maybe washing Poe's bus at every stop exej : and poe said it was from personal email exej : yes i remember that exej : and since i was a part of it POEtic : Became Really show Poe by spray painting her bus at every stop exej : but mark showed the actual posts to poe in pittsburgh exej : and she said it had nothing to do with that stuff exej : that it really wasn't all having to do with spraypainting anything POEtic : So whover edited that post sent it as personal email and that is what scared Poe??? Is that what you are saying? exej : i'm saying apparently someone either edited ap posts or sent something else entirely POEtic : We have SEEN Angie alter our posts to say things different then what we posted and deleteing them, so we know it is her style littlekif : so, how soon is poe gonna be on tour so we can ask her stuff personally? exej : i understand that your posts have been altered exej : but what i'm saying is, you can't completely blame every strange occurance on one person POEtic : My postes wer never altered, just deleted, Brendles was altered POEtic : and a few others, Miki as well I think exej : and did it say [edited by .... ]? BirdBlack : That part can be turned off. POEtic : Oh I know there is more then just one person and I know that Nettwerk is now concerned about the apS TOO exej : there are a lot of "new people" in poe's life BirdBlack : Post to our boad and I can make it sound like you are humping a monkey and proud of it with no evidence. POEtic : Fortunatly Paul is still a believer and so is the new label he will be signing with littlekif : concerned in a good or bad way? exej : the angry psychos have been around since 1996 exej : nettwerk management, johnny and angie all came about since 1999 POEtic : We will have the eqivilant of Paul AND Atlantic working directly with the APs so whatever Angie does is no longer relevent to us exej : maybe they just don't understand that we're not THAT obsessed and are trying to benefit poe POEtic : Nope, no edited by message, that is on our bbs sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:04:48 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: part 6 exej : i guarantee electricartists didn't know what the angry psychos were exej : which was no fault of their own exej : they were not paid to research fan base exej : they were paid to generate interest and fan base POEtic : Paul and the new lable understand the APs and Poe knows us...I believe this will be resolved in that way exej : nettwerk are paid to protect Poe as an asset POEtic : That is why I feel it is important to start working HARD toward unification now littlekif : she needs to come say hi to us exej : johnny and angie are friends of poe's littlekif : does johnny have anything personally against us? exej : they work directly with poe in the same aspect that daris adkins does from what i understand exej : a business relationship chickie : is there anyone who can get angie and johnny and poe and all of us back together again exej : johnny also has that whole personal relationship thing going POEtic : I belive Paul and Nettwerk can littlekif : has paul been trying? exej : now let's take poe's viewpoint for a short period of time littlekif : ok POEtic : Johnny in August of 2000 called me and said how much respect Poe has for us and she was hiring Angie to imporve communications between Poe and the APs exej : she's gone through several management changes, band member changes, security risks, etc. POEtic : I have talked to Johnny several times and he did not USE to, but now he does exej : she's never been promoted correctly exej : she gets angie to become a public relations assistant of sorts POEtic : Poe has not been speaking to Paul for the last 6 weeks or so, it is fixed now exej : that has no direct ties to a label or contract with anyone exej : and angie DID try in the beginning to establish contact via the angry psychos list exej : but angie also seems to take just about every miniscule negative comment as a direct threat exej : and seems to become hurt by just about anything exej : so when people began attacking her "credibility" she ran away to hide BirdBlack : It takes NO negativity to be banned by Angie. exej : i wouldn't know BirdBlack : I would. exej : i've never been banned, so i'm not the foremost person to ask in such situations exej : but i also don't talk on either board that much exej : i did enter the sappy contest 8littlekif has left the conversation. BirdBlack : Yesterday, I used a lurker to create one post,.. the first post ever, to direct people on that board to ours to hear an audio interview. She banned that log on within 30 minutes. BirdBlack : She has also banned the entire 64.x.x.x IP range. exej : maybe that might have something to do with the usage of the terms inflightmedical.com, bbs.poe.st, etc. 8littlekif has joined the conversation. BirdBlack : I routed it to my personal website, and that site had the like to inflightmedical. BirdBlack : er link POEtic : It was posted in an area for "interviews" to be posted POEtic : Previous links have been erased from the fan site forums set up for other fan sites, which one would think would include the APs exej : and you honestly believe that somehow that one particular post was the only one to disappear exej : because angie herself had time to click the link and see where it went? littlekif : angie seems to have some mad free time exej : i'm going to go make a test post, i'll be right back BirdBlack : It is so consistant and repeatable that it is very provable. POEtic : Suggestion erik, would YOU post a link thru your site to the interview and post a link to THAT link on p-o-e.com BirdBlack : Folks, ... we are about to convert sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:05:42 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: part 7 a believer. POEtic : I will bet you 100 bucks that it is gone withing 48 hours littlekif : what name does he post under? POEtic : More likely 2 hours, but I don't want to give away a hundred if she is gone for a day littlekif : hey dan.. do you have a ham license? exej : yes i would be happy to do that right now dan exej : and i'm johnny_truant littlekif : oh, thank you POEtic : No, I illegally used my Uncles rig... never could get the code down...that is why I was so impressed that you did it POEtic : That is NOT an easy test littlekif : you don't have to know code for the tech POEtic : Thanks, this will be interesting, it is how we make most of our believers POEtic : Ask Brendles littlekif : and now the techplus, general, and extra only require 5 wpm littlekif : i should send you some software.. it works wonders POEtic : You did back then, I was still in high school; chickie : he's going to post on p-o-e about our interview? exej : may i have a direct link to brad's interview please? littlekif : they're trying really hard to get more people in POEtic : WHat I brought that whole mess up for was to get ideas on how else to unify us more POEtic : Sure, brb littlekif : SO who wants to get a ham license and talk? POEtic : http://www.inflightmedical.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000061 BirdBlack : In the Birds personal opinion, unification is too lofty a goal. However, once we have all the APs over there feeling at home on the DBR, the Bird sees no reason to exclude anyone. Hence, incorporation becomes the unification. chickie : i love my future husband, yes i do littlekif : that other board is boring POEtic : I agree Bird, but to Poe, p-o-e has been an important project, after all it is her Johnny that designed it littleREDelf : ::: waits in agony ::: POEtic : DOn't EVER say that to Poe or Johnny Kit littlekif : UGH boys and the problems they make littlekif : but it is littlekif : if i meet her i'm gonna be damn honest and if she slaps me, she slaps me littlekif : it would be a lot less boring if she actually posted on it littlekif : more than once in a bloo moon POEtic : She can deal with honesty chickie : why doesn't she, she used to once in a blue moon BirdBlack : If she comes back to Dallas,.. she will get loads. sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:06:23 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: part 8 littlekif : i'll see her in dallas, austin, maybe even houson littlekif : houston, i mean BirdBlack : Any place in Texas for that matter. The Bird would go to Poedunk to see her. littlekif : she could play in the Cut and Shoot ballroom littlekif : which is connected to the police station and municipal courts exej : http://houseofleaves.4t.com/ap.html chickie : so why doesn't poe post on there anymore littlekif : because she hates us and wants me to cry littlekif : i don't know littlekif : maybe that board bores her too POEtic : She does NOT hate us! POEtic : Did you listen to the interview? littlekif : yes! BirdBlack : The deed is done. Welcome exej to the banned masses. You may not know it yet, but you are now one of us. The Bird will get you a cot next to Kit, she doesn't snore too loud. littlekif : i didn't get banned, amazingly POEtic : Read some of the old interviews, Poe is better to us and we to her then most fan bases and the artist they care about littlekif : i still wonder exej : http://www.p-o-e.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000103 POEtic : The last 6 months have just been weird! littlekif : i think she got bored with her own message board littlekif : i sure did exej : no actually since 1998 has been weird POEtic : Would you agree Erik? You have been around longest of ANY of us, maybe Mike too, not sure chickie : johnny_truant, ballz of steel littlekif : soon to be balls of mush, pulvarized. POEtic : I thought 99-2001 fall was pretty kewl chickie : i love ballzy guys, just like my bird POEtic : Oh Erik!!! I'll go 500 on THAT post!!! exej : 500? exej : how long? exej : i could use some moving money POEtic : My hundred dollar bet that it would not last 48 hoursd exej : oh so you're raising it to $500? littlekif : whyfor? POEtic : I was wondering if you would come west or she east exej : who poe? exej : she's out west POEtic : Cause that post doesn;t stand a chance! exej : we shall see exej : if it gets deleted then i really don't care POEtic : No, Shell...are you moving to SF or is she moving to PA exej : it just proves exej : oh exej : i'm moving littlekif : member #10, soon to be member unregistered exej : in july POEtic : Kewl, so you will be at the Vegas bash almost for sure then !!!! sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:06:56 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: part 9 chickie : if it gets deleted it proves exej : oh i would be there anyway littlekif : i'll be 18 by then! exej : if it gets deleted it proves that something made it become deleted exej : then i'll post another link elsewhere POEtic : I don;t know that she will ban him, Poe knows and likes him as a friend, but the post is toast chickie : lol exej : if it gets deleted AND i get banned.... littlekif : but poe has nothing to do with the deleting exej : then there's going to be some problems chickie : then what POEtic : Ok...THEN he will get banned. She is not a big lover of persistance chickie : rock on johnny, i don't know you, but i love you POEtic : No, I do not believe Poe does. I have been told that Johnny has deleted a few, but I do not know that first hand exej : i could ask him for you if you'd like littleREDelf : please do! chickie : is he cute? littlekif : what sort does johnny delete? littleREDelf : i would LOVE to see some closure and explanation to this silly shit POEtic : Erik, if you talk to Johnny and would like to ask him something I would like you to ask him how this could all be resolved and we gould have peace POEtic : What does he and/or Poe want from us POEtic : I don;t know Kit, it was information that came from Angie, according to the person that talked to her littleREDelf : there are subdivisions and i think most feel ostracized and sort of dismissed like a bad relationship chickie : what if angie and johnny don't want poe around us? is that a possibility POEtic : Erik you were in Pittsburgh, how would you answer Jodi? chickie : i don't want to see her upset by all this POEtic : According to Tim she made some specific comments about that exej : about what? exej : i'm sorry i'm probably misinterpreting or such POEtic : Three lines up, how would you answer Jodi? littlekif : i want to see her furious that stuff like this has been happening exej : well, i was in westlake too exej : i don't know if any of you recall what happened during the borders tour littleREDelf : do tell POEtic : OK, so you know what I am talking about. Since you were there what did she say exej : but give me a few minutes and i'll be right back to tell you all littleREDelf : ::: stands by ::: littlekif : scratches self chickie : anyways, so what if angie and johnny are trying to isolate poe from us and they never let her find out the truth??? littlekif : but if we talk to poe chickie : that wouldn't happen would it sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:07:39 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: part 10 littlekif : and show her how much we still love her and how confused we are POEtic : Poe will at SOME point be talking to us direct, when she tours and does public apperences POEtic : She will also be talking to Paul now chickie : what if they convince her that WE are all crazy and stalking her? littlekif : thus the calm sad faces when we do see her chickie : i could hear it now "jodi didn't get her prize picture and is off her rocker" POEtic : Poe has been so vocally anticensorship that I believe when she knows what has happend it will be an A Subject: part 11 chickie : i can't wait until it's resolved littlekif : i'll have to show poe the poedoll chickie : so what can we expect on this tour? POEtic : 10 days, will be a BIG step in the right direction littlekif : 10 days of what? POEtic : First step is the label, then it wil take a few weeks to set up tour info POEtic : It is WAY too early to be specific about tour AngelEyes : i think it'd kick ass to have a big AP get together at my house littlekif : where does ya live? chickie : better yet, at poes house, lol POEtic : Paul will be releasing some BIG Poe news to is in "a week to 10 days" from last Thursday AngelEyes : Pennsylvania... LOL AngelEyes : Pittsburgh City littlekif : poo on you chickie : sounds good littlekif : you live too far away AngelEyes : but it'd be fun if it were possible! AngelEyes : yeah POEtic : Did you know that Poe did that in 2000? During the Border's tour she had an AP open their house... AngelEyes : I'd die if she came to my house littlekif : i would so do that AngelEyes : i wouldn't know what to do with myself chickie : i would be embarassed my house sucks littlekif : i would even clean up the magazines AngelEyes : that would be cool AngelEyes : LOL POEtic : She Mark ( her brother) Cody ( then DJ) and Jeff (then manager) woulod come over to your house and hang out with all the psychos for a few hours usually chickie : i would have to rent one chickie : i think cody is the one i think is cute, is he the computer guy? 8underachiever has joined the conversation. POEtic : She said she "wanted to deliver this CD to her fans who waited so long and were so loyal to her" littleREDelf : weee underachiever : HI MIKE! POEtic : Hey Aaron AngelEyes : awww underachiever : hi dan underachiever : littlekif = andrea? littlekif : no. POEtic : I have the interview posted in the Poe News section littlekif : KIT! POEtic : The Elf is Andrea underachiever : it says kiF littlekif : i'm littler than she is exej : so anyway sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:08:58 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: part 12 underachiever : oh duh underachiever : lol exej : i was in westlake too littleREDelf : nope chickie : poe was in westlake exej : evening aaron underachiever : so erik, any p+E jackets made? littleREDelf : andrea here POEtic : We are all ears, go for it Erik exej : no not yet postponed til i move aaron exej : in westlake poe was informed of jarrod's abrupt closure of poe.org exej : sp00k being fed up with electricartists exej : etc. underachiever : move to where? exej : and the actual content of her direct reply is available for download at poe.ns exej : she responded basically to state that regardless of how much we love her and admire her devotion exej : her goal is still to be the best rock star she can be POEtic : This was the one where she told Tim she thought we were "disfuctional"? exej : tim wasn' t there exej : this was borders tour exej : at becca's house POEtic : Thought that was the Panteen tour, LOMNG after EA and poe.org POEtic : OK, this is ALL news to me then exej : yes because you officially had your own parties to plan that tour exej : she stated something along the lines of appreciation for the aps but that we all have to understand that she has to take support from others as well exej : even if there were 800 people on the list exej : she needs to sell more than 800 records exej : and in order to tour she needs support exej : and to get that support she needs to cooperate with others beyond the aps exej : also jeff was not on tour exej : mark poole was exej : and i really enjoyed him a lot more than craig as a personal tour manager POEtic : Right, but she continued to be close to the APs till August of 2001... she would call us, give us news feeds, work with us on promotions for Hey Prettyy exej : actually i think that had to do with dean's website POEtic : She sayed VERY close to us and of COURSE she would need all the support from ALL quarters she could get exej : and her lack of support for her own POEtic : Jeff was at all five of the events I was, I never met Mark Poole exej : why did you choose august of 2001? underachiever : i think at least june exej : oh cool, so jeff must have handled the west coast stuff personally underachiever : when polishchick went down exej : i would have liked to have met him POEtic : Because up to that time, August 26th to be exact, I had weekly calls and often during the tour daily calls from Angie, Patrick, Poe or Paul to feed info to the APs and that night, nor at any time from that date , have they called me exej : he was very helpful to shell and i in getting the "list" together POEtic : Then on 9/23 Poe named Angie the exclusive contact exej : how exactly is angie an exclusive contact though if the news email goes to patrick too? POEtic : Jeff was in DC as well, but that could have been coincidence exej : well all i have to say is, it was so much more laid back with mark poole than with billy or craig POEtic : That happened after the Atlantic news was misreported by Angie... before that the news feed went just to Angie exej : of course he did drink a little bit that evening exej : oh sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:09:39 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: part 13 exej : i didn't know that POEtic : Craig was a new road manager, according to Paul, and he had the best of intentions, but did not know how to do them with fenmese exej : i thought the news link was always set up to patrick and angie exej : craig was good at keeping them on the time schedule POEtic : Nope, don;t remember the date it changed, but it was a specific event that changed it exej : which is very difficult to do with poe and her band exej : watch some old ap vids if you don't believe me exej : literally had to carry her off to the stage to get her away from us POEtic : Paul called me and asked me to post some information, Angie contradicted me and Paul called Patrick to get the problem fixed POEtic : The next days news went to both exej : i apologize for not being that involved to notice exej : i just didn't like the 'you must have written permission' thing POEtic : Not an issue, just minor detail correction of no real importance exej : which i did obtain i think never really got a direct response exej : but since most of my links have been posted by angie, i'd assume it's okay 8BirdBlack is away. POEtic : Have you not heard Poe say just the opposite? I have her on videotape approving a shirt that Angie threatened to sue Julie over 8littleREDelf has left the conversation. POEtic : Paul also approved the shirt design and Nettwerk was not in the picture yet 8chickie is away. exej : are you referring to the white AP shirt with poe pic? exej : i have one of those POEtic : Yes exej : i was also there when poe contradicted herself on that issue exej : in pittsburgh exej : so that is not entirely angie's doing 8LivTheMdns has left the conversation. POEtic : Really? I have her on videotape! 8LivTheMdns has joined the conversation. POEtic : I appriciate knowing that that is not Angie's doing...whnat did Poe say? exej : yes and i have her on videotape saying that the new album would be out in a year or so and she'd not use segue tracks because she thought they were filler exej : and that was recorded in 1997 LivTheMdns : sorry, disconnected POEtic : WB Mike LivTheMdns looks around again POEtic : What did she say about the shirts? exej : poe said she needs to protect her own image underachiever : hey Mike LivTheMdns : she said what? exej : as in photos, music, etc. POEtic : Right, she said future image use would have to be approved by Nettwerk, was this duing the Panteen tour then, or after Nettwerk came on board? LivTheMdns : I know I missed something, but I just thought she said that... ugh exej : apparently even though that shirt was approved she still viewed it as some type of bootleg, etc. exej : after nettwerk exej : i think pantene exej : yes pantene exej : because it was in pittsburgh sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:10:16 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: part 14 LivTheMdns : but the thing is that my usage of her images on the shirt wre approved exej : yes LivTheMdns : she told me herself exej : the point is she contradicted herself POEtic : But did she say that she did NOT apporve THAT image? exej : no she said that others like it couldn't be floating around exej : because she needed to protect her image, etc. exej : it's funny how that works LivTheMdns : she said that she did not approve THAT image, so I changed THAT image and used ANOTHER image underachiever : i remember when sp00k & mark almost got arrested in toronto LivTheMdns : another image that she did aprove of exej : because in 97 when the slc shirt was made with poe's image on it she loved it underachiever : she didn't approve those shirts, but the whole band got one POEtic : That is accurate, that was true even before Nettwerk. That is why we got permission from Paul and Poe before we printed them 8littleREDelf has joined the conversation. underachiever : and only like 20 were made littleREDelf : grrrr underachiever : wb andrea =) littleREDelf : booted littleREDelf : thanks underachiever : yw exej : and toronto shirts were due to security not poe exej : they were gonna arrest mark for bootlegging underachiever : i know underachiever : fucking canadians underachiever : lol LivTheMdns : she felt that the first picture I used was... um... unflattering to her LivTheMdns : so I agreed and changed it LivTheMdns : then she approved LivTheMdns : EOFS, or so I thought exej : but you all need to realize she stopped saying we could print stuff with her likeness around the time when stuff with her likeness was being made to sell on the poe store underachiever : eofs? POEtic : So it is important that I be clear on this...the Psychothreads shirt with the picture of Poe...did Poe say she DID or did NOT approve that picture for that shirt? exej : she did not say that she did not approve POEtic : She told Julie that I was lying when I said that Poe and Paul approved it exej : she only made the comment about protecting her image POEtic : She=Angie, not Poe exej : i've never discussed the shirt with angie or poe directly underachiever : angie doesn't / didn't know what's going on underachiever : patrick didn't even fucking know who Levar was POEtic : OK, kewl, becasue I have her approving THAT image for THAT shirt on tape sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:10:54 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: part 15 exej : all i'm saying is it does seem more than coincidental that poe wants to protect her image right around the time she started selling stuff with her image on it exej : she being poe, not angie LivTheMdns : and the ones I sold at cafe press, I got her approval exej : which was also prior to poe's store LivTheMdns : I got it thru dan and then thru poe herself online one day POEtic : I remember that Aaron, Roberta came in the chat room, she had talked to Angie who passed her to Patrick and nobody knew who Levar was so I called Paul at home POEtic : and he delt with it IMMEDIATLY LivTheMdns : I was talking to her via IM while I was in atlantic city underachiever : hehe exej : i've never attempted to speak with poe via IM exej : i've sent two emails exej : she's never responded exej : i don't really care POEtic : Nothing coincidental or starange or anything about it, that is good business sense exej : good business sense tells you not to let others market your image chickie : what is poes IM is it common knowledge? exej : it is uncommon knowledge POEtic : Her money comes from CD sales, Merch sales, and concert sales... exej : right chickie : that's understandable, however you spell it POEtic : Others sell her shirts it is money OUT of her pocket and she has to make a living to afford touring and music exej : so what i'm saying is you can't blame that on angie underachiever : well she posted it on my website underachiever : when she signed my guestbook exej : she's also posted on vivianlives.com and some other site about it chickie : awesome POEtic : No, but I can blame Angie when she threatens a Psycho that is making APPROVED images for Poe's fan base exej : and sent hate mail to me with it about the poeisdead site POEtic : If something is licensed it can be used exej : yes you can 8LivTheMdns has left the conversation. underachiever tests underachiever : oooh POEtic : It would be like Poe suing the director of 10 things I hate about you for using the Poe Ball POEtic : SHe licensed them to do it exej : yes exej : but was there a lawsuit? exej : did it ever get straightened out? exej : i don't know any of this, so i can't really comment either way sp00k etc ... 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