From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V7 #65 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Sunday, March 3 2002 Volume 07 : Number 065 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NPR Queen of the Damned [Spidersrcute2@aol.com] Morpheus ["Dee" ] RE: Morpheus ["Pierce, Marshall" ] NPR the real Shadow Government ["AT" ] Re: NPR:Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-surve... ["John A, Bell" ] Poe.navelsex.com [Ed Hunsinger ] NPR-Peter Pan [KrodKnid@aol.com] NPR-Peter Pan ["jayson g" ] Re: NPR-Peter Pan ["AT" ] Re: NPR-Peter Pan [JustSpiffy@aol.com] Re: NPR-Peter Pan [KrodKnid@aol.com] RE: Poe.navelsex.com [Ed Hunsinger ] NPR [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: NPR ["AT" ] Re: NPR [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] betrayal? ["Sarae Montgomery" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 08:51:45 EST From: Spidersrcute2@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR Queen of the Damned I was going to pick up the soundtrack that night, but my fiancee wasn't feeling to good after the movie and I wanted to spare him the wait in line at the counter to buy it. So I didn't get it. I did look at the songs on it though, and want to get it because I like a lot of the groups on it. Soon enough, I'll have it in my pretty little hands....mwah hah hah.... Tracie so this is how it feels, to breath in the summer air to feel the sand between my toes and love inside my ear ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 07:37:28 -0800 From: "Dee" Subject: Morpheus i have been real reluctant to download the new morpheus following recent posts about spyware. has anyone had success with the upgrade? they say on their site that it is not spyware and that they were "attacked" so the changes were necessary. also, i guess i have to uninstall old morph before downloading the new version? d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:43:00 -0500 From: "Pierce, Marshall" Subject: RE: Morpheus I am now using the new Morpheus, it works fine..no you do not have to un-install your old version, though it seems that is will not carry over your old downloads... - -----Original Message----- From: Dee [mailto:scribess1@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 10:37 AM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Morpheus i have been real reluctant to download the new morpheus following recent posts about spyware. has anyone had success with the upgrade? they say on their site that it is not spyware and that they were "attacked" so the changes were necessary. also, i guess i have to uninstall old morph before downloading the new version? d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 08:32:14 -0800 From: "AT" Subject: NPR the real Shadow Government Taken from what the mainstream media might call a 'hate' site, http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2807/UBomb.html ,My guess is because the authors ' hate' the media, Fourth Estate,First Estate, what ever. I read in the same media an article about China heavily editing President Bush es speech last week because the (state run) Chinese media wants an underinformed populace-sounds American to me,waiting for the next O.J.or manufactured military adventure. AT The American Round Table branch, The Council on Foreign Relations, has about 3000 members. The following 121 are a partial listing of CFR members in the media. There are less then 10 women on the list. This is no accident. The Council on Foreign Relations is sexist and racist. are journalists and photo-journalists "Not-Sees" because they can make more money being dishonest then they can from being honest? CBS 1. William Paley 2. William Burden 3. Roswell Gilpatric 4. Henry Schact 5. Manetta Tree Collingwood 6. Lawrence LeSuer 7. Dan Rather 8. Harry Reasoner 9. Richard Hottelet 10. Frank Stanton 11. Bill Moyers NBC/RCA 12. Jane Pfeiffer 13. Lester Crystal 14. W. Sonnenfeldt Bradshaw 15. John Petty 16. David Brinkley 17. John Chancellor 18. Marvin Kalb 19. Irvine Levine 20. Peterson John Sawhill ABC 21. Ray Adam 22. Frank Cary Macioce 23. Ted Koppel 24. John Scali 25. Barbara Walters CABLE NEWS NETWORK 26, Daniel Schorr PUBLIC BROADCAST SERVICE 27. Hartford Gunn 28. Robert McNeil 29. Jim Lehrer 30. Charlayne Hunter-Gault 31. Hodding Carter III ASSOCIATED PRESS 32. Keith Fuller 33. Stanley Swinton 34. Louis Boccardi 34 is a fibonacci number , heh. Louis Boccardi runs AP No more blankets handed out for land , we feed an economy , its got blood on its hands-Midnight oil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:50:38 -0500 From: "John A, Bell" Subject: Re: NPR:Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-surve... Hrm. Interesting that you decided to give me food for thought on a subject that didn't intrinsically have anything to do with what we were talking about. But I'll play along. Going by ONLY definition 2, while it also includes belief in the face of evidence to the contrary. it could simply mean that my belief rests on something other than logic or material evidence, even if both of those are present. If, however, we are going to pick and choose which definitions will suit our purpose for the argument, I submit for review each of the definitions provided by http://dictionary.com : faith n. 1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. 2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust. 3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters. 4. often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will. 5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith. 6. A set of principles or beliefs. I should like to choose the following definitions to suit my own argument or my own faith in God: 1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. and 4. often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will. and 5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith. and 6. A set of principles or beliefs. None of those presuppose the truth or preponderance of evidence in the faith of anything. In either event, I found it interesting (to say the least) that you attempted to sum up my view as being one (and only one) definition of a word found on dictionary.com. I also find it interesting that you believe faith in God only corresponds to def. 2, when my so-called belief contrary to evidence has no evidence with which to contradict it. Can you show that God does not exist? Since also you see fit to use partial fragments to support your argument, I wonder if you could please bolster your argument using only sentence fragments from Nietzsche, Jean-Paul Sartre, and any others as you see fit, using only fragments and using neither definite nor indefinite articles of speech, or prepositions. Thanks. - -jb From: "j." To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:39 AM Subject: Re: NPR:Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-surve... > > On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 09:30:28PM -0500, John A, Bell wrote: > > Well, there's the end of this conversation, because here is where I'd > > normally bring external aspects into play such as religion, which has > > never been a popular topic amongst the AP crowd, so we'll leave this > > alone, and in my philosophy class, where I'm less likely to be stoned. ;) > > > > -jb > [snip] > > Okay -- I think this is where the misunderstanding you cited earlier comes into > play. I was attempting to argue my case based on logic and a somewhat > science-oriented point of view. If you're arguing based on a religious point > of view then I agree; we should just agree to disagree and end the conversation > here. I'd like you to think about something, though. > > From dictionary.com, definition #2 for 'faith': > > Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. > See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust. > > That's an interesting definition -- not only does that definition encompass > belief in the absence of supporting evidence, it also includes belief > in the face of evidence to the contrary. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:51:23 EST From: LadyMsThang@aol.com Subject: Re: Morpheus i'll tell you, that my best friend is saying she's been told to upgrade on her morpheus too, now, i have it, and i have yet to be told to upgrade. i wonder why? and mine works just fine too. mae ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:54:34 EST From: LadyMsThang@aol.com Subject: Re: Morpheus ANNNND i spoke WAY too soon. i just got that lil' message..son of a B... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 13:11:35 -0500 From: "Andrea E. Jackman" Subject: Re: NPR the real Shadow Government - ----- Original Message ----- From: "AT" To: Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 11:32 AM Subject: NPR the real Shadow Government I read in the same media an article about China heavily editing President Bushes speech last week because the (state run) Chinese media wants an underinformed populace-sounds American to me,waiting for the next O.J.or manufactured military adventure. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ AT, that's a brilliant way of describing war by propaganda. foreign media will skew anything to make the US the evil pigs (which we oftentimes are rightly accused) And on our end of the skewing, i was always amused by how they prop up a boogie man (Kadafi, Bin Laden, etc.) and infuse the dictator/wacko du jour into the consciousness through the media. This campaign is especially effective in middle America, where people are breeding and schooling the angry misbegotten youth and driving large gas-hogging landcruisers with American flags attached. This is where people invent a color coordinated ribbon to go on the trees and lapel pins gets made to affix on the dullards and homemakers and politicians wives. then they get Hollywood primed and conditioned to crank out three Summer war movies and Elton John or George Michael writes another "tragedy of humanity" song and the radio plays it 'til your ears bleed. the whole affair is nauseating. the only difference between us and China is that we don't always straight-up lie to our people, we just wildly over-embellish our stories and add glitter and fluff where necessary to make the ugliness more palatable. it astounds me how fast the news can whip up computer-generated banners with splashy, punchy headlines guaranteed to frighten and enrage depending on the effect desired. Like the saying goes about headlines --- "if it bleeds, it leads." granted, there are some genuine issues that exist and garner the need to be dealt with, (by as many ineffective governments as see fit to put their paws in the honeypot of interests) but the way in which (mis)information is distributed is obvious and tiresome to anyone with an average IQ and a smattering of education. About China --- i worked part time in a Chinese Restaurant where most of the employees spoke a good deal of English and had CNN tuned in the dining room. We were talking about the Rodney King beating and the LA riots and i was amazed to hear what their gov't had told them at the time. One man, Jack, said to me "Oh yes, our newspaper reported it. I hear the tanks rolled into the streets, crushing people and the rivers ran red with blood." I laughed hard at the biblical overtones and implications and said," No, a bunch of windows got broken, some businesses destroyed and looted and some stupid people got a lot of free tv/vcr combos." So yes, the ministry of misinformation is alive and well and has always existed in some form. and governments grow more shadows by the minute. (Shadows keep on changing as we would say :) ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:32:24 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR:Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-surv... In a message dated 3/2/2002 11:52:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, jbell126@nac.net writes: > If, however, we are going to pick and choose which > definitions will suit our purpose for the argument, I submit for review > each > of the definitions provided by http://dictionary.com > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > We could always take the Biblical definition of "faith is the substance of > things hoped for". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 13:11:32 -0800 From: Miharu Subject: NPR: Re: Morpheus Actually.. if you're concerned with spy ware, go here and download Ad Aware: http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,10615,63806,00.html It scans your memory and HD for spyware tidbits and erases them at your command. - -miharu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 17:10:20 -0500 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: Poe.navelsex.com Poe.navelsex.com is going down for a few hours-a day or two in a few minutes. Don't worry, it's for a good cause.. :-) News to come.. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:24:14 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: NPR-Peter Pan Okay...I haven't posted this link in a while, but we are in need of some levity on this list... Peter Pan's Home Page! http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 17:31:15 -0600 From: "jayson g" Subject: NPR-Peter Pan A long time ago someone e-mailed me this link as a joke. To this day I'm still speechless... >From: KrodKnid@aol.com >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: NPR-Peter Pan >Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:24:14 EST > > >Okay...I haven't posted this link in a while, but we are in need of some >levity on this list... > Peter Pan's Home >Page! >http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:40:56 -0800 From: "AT" Subject: Re: NPR-Peter Pan He was killed Friday night by LAPD officers who mistook a bell on his outfit for a weapon. "The department, after a thorough internal investigation , found the shooting to be within policy" a spokesman said. Autopsy results determined that one of the nineteen bullets that entered his back was the cause of death. The other 22 that struck him in the front or in the arms werent. AT http://www.propagandamatrix.com/thepropagandamatrix ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:38:43 EST From: JustSpiffy@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR-Peter Pan you think you're speechless, I've actually seen this guy. ~*~Erin~*~ "You're not the boy that you say you are, you come from outerspace, you drive a rental car..." - Rasputina "Can I do you?" - Chris Hall ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:45:28 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR-Peter Pan In a message dated 3/2/2002 6:43:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, JustSpiffy@aol.com writes: > you think you're speechless, I've actually seen this guy. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aaaaaauuuuggggghhhhh! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 19:55:16 -0500 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: RE: Poe.navelsex.com Ok, so here's the deal. Just finished putting Poe (the computer) back together. We were so kindly donated a 20gig harddrive by Steve, aka SteVisOK [svisokay@nexet.net] that was possibly damaged, but worth a try. Well a try determined that perhaps we would not have luck. I'll continue to test things out on a different machine because the Compaq that is Poe is not so happy with new hardware. Hehe But anyways, what I was able to do was drop a 10gig drive in there. So with a little bit of tweaking that probably will still need some work, we have an additional 10 gigs of space. I already took the stuff that an ever generous shell sent me and dropped that on there. I haven't had a chance to organize/sort/etc through any of it. I know there is some duplication, but oh well, I can take care of that later. :) In short, we now have an additional 2.5gigs(including dupes) of Poe stuff available. :) so go check it out. And remember, don't distribute this outside of the family of the Angry-Psychos, or I hunt you down and make life nasty :) So this is long, I'm done now. http://poe.navelsex.com/Poe2 <-- all the new stuff... - -Ed - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ed Hunsinger Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 5:10 PM To: 'angry psychos' Subject: Poe.navelsex.com Poe.navelsex.com is going down for a few hours-a day or two in a few minutes. Don't worry, it's for a good cause.. :-) News to come.. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:30:18 EST From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: NPR Has anyone read Ambrose Bierce's The Devil's Dictionary? I'm finding some really clever definitions.... Love, n. A temporary insanity curable by marriage or by removal of the patient from the influences under which he incurred the disorder. Vote, n. The instrument and symbol of a freeman's power to make a fool of himself and a wreck of his country. This one's my favorite and kind of relates to the Mark Twain quote below... Man, n. An animal so lost in rapturous contemplation of what he thinks he is as to overlooks what he indubitably ought to be. His chief occupation is extermination of other animals and his own species, which, however, multiplies with such insistent rapidity as to infest the whole habitable earth and Canada. Peace, MeLissA Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it. - Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 17:47:30 -0800 From: "AT" Subject: Re: NPR > Peace, MeLissA > Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one > that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it. - Mark Twain Melissa , Mark twain never had a cat..I do, and trust me , she enjoys first torturing , then killing rats and squirrels AT ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:48:04 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR In a message dated 3/2/2002 8:32:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, LiveThruThisVow@aol.com writes: > Has anyone read Ambrose Bierce's The Devil's Dictionary? I'm finding some > really clever definitions.... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> black adj. white white adj. black reality n. 1) The dream of a mad philosopher. 2) What would remain in the cupel if one were to assay a phantom. opera n. A superior form of caterwauling. It was originally called "The Cynic's Dictionary", and was actually a column he wrote for the San Francisco newspapers (Chronicle I think). Every day he would have a couple new definitions and often some little bit of accompanying poetry...such as: "Here is a lesson as old as the hills that life and experience teach; the poor man suffers that keenest of ills, an impediment in his reach." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 23:40:12 EST From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR In a message dated 3/2/02 7:50:24 PM Central Standard Time, mb882@earthlink.net writes: > Melissa , Mark twain never had a cat..I do, and trust me , she enjoys first > torturing , then killing rats and squirrels > I could agree with that. Cats are by far on the bottom list of favorite animals. I almost was considering dissecting one this year, but I reminded myself that the cats were probably some lost kitten that an old lady owned. Now... who was it that said dolphins have sex for pleasure along with humans? Peace, MeLissA Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it. - Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 00:21:23 -0800 From: "Sarae Montgomery" Subject: betrayal? I just went through and deleted a fellow AP from all my lists. I don't know if anyone can truly understand how much it hurts to be betrayed. I gave and gave, constantly trying to help him out of his bad situations, pitiful things with girls that never would happen... but i never once told him he was a loser, that no girl would ever want him... i always tried to make him feel better, offer advice to get back with the girl, whatever he was looking for. I thought it was what a friend was supposed to do. And i thought that a friend would do the same for me. but i guess i was wrong. Either it's wrong to expect a friend to be as giving as me... or i was wrong to think he was a friend. at any rate, it hurts so bad... watching the names disappear from my list. When i needed him, i came to him.. and he told me "I don't need to be brought down"... well, i'm sorry i ever did anything to bring you down aaron. I hope you are never bothered by my problems again. And to the rest of the list: I hope this situation never happens to you. Be careful who you give yourself out to, because they won't always return the favour... and when they don't. It can kill. - -s ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V7 #65 **********************************