From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V7 #59 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Tuesday, February 26 2002 Volume 07 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: CANADA WINS GOLD! ["Michael Allison" ] Re:NPR Who Am I ["j." ] Re: CANADA WINS GOLD! ["Patrick T." ] Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) ["j." ] Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) ["AT" ] Re: CANADA WINS GOLD! ["kelli helbig" ] Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) ["John A, Bell" ] Who me? [Stephanie ] Re: philosophical blahblah Go Lockheed and Navy ["AT" ] Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) [KrodKnid@aol] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:41:59 -0800 From: "Michael Allison" Subject: Re: CANADA WINS GOLD! I watched the Olympics... my beloved Michelle Kwan had a rough long program and got bronze.. :( I've been depressed for a few days... but c'est la vie I guess... Michael http://kwanshrine.tripod.com http://smileyllama.20m.com/poe _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:08:07 -0600 From: "j." Subject: Re:NPR Who Am I Well..what other species have a concept of right and wrong, even? As far as trying to take them away - didn't somebody mention that when the lioness fell asleep, the gazelle baby got eaten by another lion? The thing that I get from that is that the nature of the predator and prey wouldn't allow something like this to happen. As somebody said once, though, just my two cents. - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:21:12 EST From: Spidersrcute2@aol.com Subject: Re:NPR Who Am I I read that and wanted to cry. Now that is either because that is so true, or because of pms. Either is likely. As far as animals protecting each other, has any of you watched the news lately?? There was this lioness who keeps adopting gazelle babies in the wild. The stupid animal people take them away from her so they can be nurtured to health and let go. I feel really bad for the lioness, I mean these people keep stealing her "babies". Only a human being would see something wrong in cross species bonding. Tracie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 03:03:10 -0500 From: "Patrick T." Subject: Re: CANADA WINS GOLD! this should be on the CAP list! ;) forgive me for my late reply, i was out cheering!!!!!! heh GO CANADA GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D >From: Matthew and Manda Harris >To: jason blakely , angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: Re: CANADA WINS GOLD! >Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:18:24 -0600 > > >See, no has to feel guilty about not watching the Olymipics! Jason did it >for us! Now I don't fell so bad! >ShadowsKeepOnChanging (who is not much for the Olympics) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "jason blakely" >To: >Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 5:30 PM >Subject: NPR: CANADA WINS GOLD! > > > > > > YAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! > > CANADA WINS GOLD IN MEN'S HOCKEY > > WAY TO GO EH!!!!!!!!!! > > GO CANADA GO > > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > http://sports.yahoo.com sixPNTR_AP@yahoo.com sixpencenoneTR@yahoo.com Peace On Earth "Can't talk to a psycho like a normal human being" -Poe "While you were selling your soul While you were tearing a hole in me I was taking control"- Poe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:20:59 -0600 From: "j." Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 01:03:12AM -0500, John A, Bell wrote: > > It would seem that if you subjectify good and evil, you are then = > presented with the problem of a basis for morality... Rape is not = > immoral if there is no real good or evil. Though you could argue = > cultural relativism, where each culture determines its own ethics, there = > is no basis for any system of morals, ethics, or right and wrong. = > Racism, rape, murder, theft are all morally acceptable with subjectivity = > of good and evil.=20 That's why we have laws, though. Laws are the codification of societal ethics, or what a society's core beliefs are. In other words, what everybody in that particular culture agrees is right and wrong (or in some cases, what the top of the pyramid agrees is right and wrong). For instance, men having sex with young boys (extreme example, I know, but I feel it makes a stronger point) was the cultural norm in ancient Greece, but in most sections of today's society/societies (the lines are becoming blurred thanks to global communication) it is frowned upon severely. There is a subjective right and wrong, but you cannot reasonably demand that others comply to your sense of morality, nor can others demand the same of you. > > Personally, I find it difficult to accept that there is no morality, = > thus I am forced to accept the real presence of real good and real evil. = > How how does one justify otherwise? Consequences. That's why we throw people in jail for breaking laws (which I don't agree with in some cases, victimless crime and such, but that's a whole different discussion) instead of leaving them alone to let their conscience torture them or some such thing. And that is the whole of my argument. For you, good and evil exist and there are definite standards for measuring what is right and what is wrong. My point was simply that my concept of right and wrong might not be the same as yours, or even that I might not believe in right and wrong but "moral physics" instead -- consequences dictating actions for better or worse. > > -jb > [snip] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:31:37 -0600 From: "j." Subject: NPR: Quote and Animal Testing > Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:36:08 EST > From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com > Subject: NPR: Quote and Animal Testing > > In a message dated 2/23/02 12:30:39 PM Central Standard Time, > KrodKnid@aol.com writes: > > > > If you wish to believe that the > > > human > > > race is nothing but evil, then you may experience a self fulfilling > > > > > Too bad I missed this whole conversation last night... I was at the Orpheum > watching Tommy :) I guess since my signature quote is why there's a LOT of How was it? I've never seen it live but acts sometimes tend to go stale after being done for a long time. An good example of the opposite is a BB King show. The guy's obviously done the whole act to the point of weariness, but he seems to gain new joy in the performance with each repetition, and pass that excitement along to the audience (I saw him about a year ago.) > email in everyone's box, I guess I should explain why I like the quote. I > personally do not hate every human being, I'm not a misanthrope of any kind. > However, I do think that hating mankind can produce some great books :) This Some pretty good music, too :) > quote automatically made me think of the fur industry, because humans kill up > to 40 minks to make just ONE coat. They set traps and electrocute them in > their ASS. Also, when companies such as L'Oreal and Revlon test their > products on animals, they pour tooth paste, deodorant, and NAIL POLISH > REMOVER into rabbits' eyes because they don't have tear ducts. Other > companies inject rat poison into rabbits to see how toxic it could be for > children. They also take domestic animals that are lost (this could mean your > very own dog or cat) into their hands to mutate and experiment with. I do > believe this quote applies to mankind strongly. > Peace, MeLissA > Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one > that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it. - Mark Twain > Actually, I read that they attach electrodes to the genitals (so as to not harm the fur) and shock the minks, which produces what's roughly equivalent to a heart attack. Although, I don't have any problems with animal testing -- I believe strongly that animals have no rights. That doesn't mean that I condone a kid going out and torturing a dog to death, but when it comes to me dying because a medicine hasn't been properly tested due to prohibitions on animal testing, or a baby going blind because of improperly tested baby shampoo (to give another example), that's where I draw the line. As far as killing for fashion (the minks), I don't have a problem with that either. I guess what I'm trying to say, in short, is that if testing needs to be done, better the lower species of animal than the higher. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 01:54:57 -0800 From: "AT" Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) > Racism, rape, murder, theft are all morally acceptable with subjectivity = > of good and evil.=20 > > Personally, I find it difficult to accept that there is no morality, = > thus I am forced to accept the real presence of real good and real evil. = > How how does one justify otherwise Thats too easy. Join the Republican party. AT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:12:08 -0800 From: "AT" Subject: NPR:Who Am I? Yesterday I watched the Fight Club on teevee. Then I went to the store. Then I fed my dog. After that I helped train foriegn police the latest cattle prod techniques. Then I helped blow up a childrens hospital, a sewage treatment plant,and a few schools full of kids.Then I helped with some kidnappings and some really nifty grand-scale thefts. And I havent smoked crack in over a month. Who am I? An American tax payer. AT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:55:00 -0500 From: "kelli helbig" Subject: Re: CANADA WINS GOLD! See i watched the olympics because well there was nothing better on.. yesterday though i PURPOSELY watched men's hockey. and it saddens me that the USA didnt get gold. But i was torn. I was forced to be happy for canada.. joe neuwendyk.. ed belfour.. you get the idea.. im a stars fan. and I must say that it was a damn good game. congrats to canada. i still want the gold. >From: "Patrick T." >To: jabone_77@yahoo.com, angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: Re: CANADA WINS GOLD! >Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 03:03:10 -0500 > > >this should be on the CAP list! ;) forgive me for my late reply, i was >out cheering!!!!!! heh > > > >GO CANADA GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D > > >>From: Matthew and Manda Harris >>To: jason blakely , angry-psychos@smoe.org >>Subject: Re: CANADA WINS GOLD! >>Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:18:24 -0600 >> >> >>See, no has to feel guilty about not watching the Olymipics! Jason did it >>for us! Now I don't fell so bad! >>ShadowsKeepOnChanging (who is not much for the Olympics) >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "jason blakely" >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 5:30 PM >>Subject: NPR: CANADA WINS GOLD! >> >> >> > >> > YAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! >> > CANADA WINS GOLD IN MEN'S HOCKEY >> > WAY TO GO EH!!!!!!!!!! >> > GO CANADA GO >> > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games >> > http://sports.yahoo.com >sixPNTR_AP@yahoo.com >sixpencenoneTR@yahoo.com > > > >Peace On Earth > >"Can't talk to a psycho like a normal human being" -Poe >"While you were selling your soul >While you were tearing a hole in me >I was taking control"- Poe > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:40:40 -0500 From: "John A, Bell" Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) But... but... *sniff* I already AM Republican!!!! ;) Seriously. Without a basis, a standard with which to determine what is good nd what is evil, what is right and what is wrong, all things lose any sense of morality (apart from law, which is subjectively made by men and thus has no basis, either). Is this honestly how you believe it to be? Is it okay to rape and kill someone because the rapist thinks it's good and right to do so? - -jb - ----- Original Message ----- From: "AT" To: "John A, Bell" ; "j." ; Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:54 AM Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) > > Racism, rape, murder, theft are all morally acceptable with subjectivity = > > of good and evil.=20 > > > > Personally, I find it difficult to accept that there is no morality, = > > thus I am forced to accept the real presence of real good and real evil. = > > How how does one justify otherwise > > Thats too easy. Join the Republican party. > AT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:46:20 -0500 From: "Pierce, Marshall" Subject: RE: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-surv ey thread) Or worse the rapist thinks he is ordained to do so from God. - -----Original Message----- From: John A, Bell [mailto:jbell126@nac.net] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:41 AM To: AT; j.; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) But... but... *sniff* I already AM Republican!!!! ;) Seriously. Without a basis, a standard with which to determine what is good nd what is evil, what is right and what is wrong, all things lose any sense of morality (apart from law, which is subjectively made by men and thus has no basis, either). Is this honestly how you believe it to be? Is it okay to rape and kill someone because the rapist thinks it's good and right to do so? - -jb - ----- Original Message ----- From: "AT" To: "John A, Bell" ; "j." ; Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:54 AM Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) > > Racism, rape, murder, theft are all morally acceptable with subjectivity = > > of good and evil.=20 > > > > Personally, I find it difficult to accept that there is no morality, = > > thus I am forced to accept the real presence of real good and real evil. = > > How how does one justify otherwise > > Thats too easy. Join the Republican party. > AT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:00:57 -0800 From: "AT" Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) > But... but... *sniff* I already AM Republican!!!! ;) Seriously. Without a basis, a standard with which to determine what is good >and what is evil, what is right and what is wrong, all things lose any sense > of morality Is this honestly how you believe it to be? Is it okay to > rape and kill someone because the rapist thinks it's good and right to do > so? John , you sound pretty Democrat to me, by taking my one line joke and putting a whole paragraph down my throat, much as a lefty would say Im a racist because I think bi lingual education is a poor idea. Did i say 'republican?' I MEANT Republicrat , Demopublican , whats the difference anyway , theyre all theives. Kleptocrats. In answer to the latest question , Hell yeah its ok to rape and kill , if you are in the Army. Be all you can be. Visit strange and exotic places , meet new and different people, then shoot them. Might makes right.If youre too old or out of shape , you can join in the fun nightly on CNN or buy Lockheed stock...LMT 55.29 +1.11 . War is good business, invest in it.If ya got no money , invest your son . Its the patriotic thing to do.Next up: The Columbians. Theyre not useful to us anymore because we dont need off-the-books money to give 'rightist' guerillas to fight 'communism' in Central America any more. AT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:48:36 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah Go Navy! - ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) >Hell yeah its ok to rape and kill , if > you are in the Army. Be all you can be. Visit strange and exotic places , > meet new and different people, then shoot them. Killing, yes, that is part of combat, it is authorized... rape is not. From what I read, the people of Afghanastan are pretty happy that for what ever reason, we drove out the taliban. There are countless stories about how horrible it was there before we bombed the hell out of the place, and how happy the MAJORITY are that we did so, FIANALY. More importantly, we reamain at war, here is a little something for everybody to ponder if you have already forgotten, this is not old news, just information that is not discussed much in the media, but I guess it deserves mention in this thread. . For the full article and many related http://www.humanunderground.com/itsdabomb.html See also my search results for suitcase nuclear device capsules I wanted to capture the twin topics of bio and nuclear weaapons of mass destruction in the results as I am aware that such articles are out there. http://google.com/search?hl=en&q=suitcase+nuclear+device+capsules The investigators have been able to identify at least one briefcase weapon acquired by Al Qaeda from Central Asian rogue groups. The weapon identified is small 8-kilogram device that carries at least 2 kg of fissionable plutonium and uranium. The device, of Russian make, carries a serial number 9999 and manufacturing date October 1988. The design of the device is simple. The radioactive materials consist of Uranium and Plutonium both kept in separate compartments. At the top of the two compartments is placed the charging mechanism. The charging mechanism can be activated through a timer or even through a cell phone command. Besides nuclear devices, a chemical and a biological weapon have also been identified to be in the hands of Al Qaeda activists. They are said to be in possession of at least 70 capsules, also of Russian origin, containing a very lethal biological agent. Broken in a crowded place, this capsule can cause deaths on a huge scale. It melts human body meat to the bone. Another chemical agent in the hands of Al Qaeda operators is called Vipera Lebentina Venema. A derivative of snake poisons, this venom developed in USSR attacks through skin. People ask "why are you an angry-psycho" and I often say "too much reality" . Ignoracne IS bliss.. but there is also a HUGE resentment on my part in the knowledge that the vast majority of the world just don't know, care, or worry about such things, I ENVY You. Well I hope some of you "anti" whatever it is you are opposed to sleep a little better if you got the balls to read more about the reality you face. Man is this country in for a wake up call. Go Army? You better hope so, but you psychos go Navy http://www.navy.com/index.jsp?hasFlash=true l8r sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ============================================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:12:59 -0500 From: Derek Benton Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) Hmm, I can't help but pick up a bit of sarcasm in your response. I'm hoping I'm misreading your intent in your e-mail, because to me it sounds like you have a SERIOUS lack of respect for the Army, and/or Armed Forces. Now, if we're bitching about the Gov't, then there are some things I tend to agree with as far as what's screwed up about it. But its better than just about any other Gov't established in the world, and there are two things you can do about it, leave the country or take pro-active steps to change it. Yeah, I guess you have the right to bitch and moan, but I can't respect that without action. Just the way I am. But the men and women giving their lives to protect me and you I think deserve a little more respect then what I'm perceiving from your e-mail. Again, I may be misreading it, so I'll say no more save to re-iterate that I hope that I am misreading it. Respectfully, Derek > John , you sound pretty Democrat to me, by taking my one line joke and > putting a whole paragraph down my throat, much as a lefty would say Im a > racist because I think bi lingual education is a poor idea. Did i say > 'republican?' I MEANT Republicrat , Demopublican , whats the difference > anyway , theyre all theives. Kleptocrats. > In answer to the latest question , Hell yeah its ok to rape and kill , if > you are in the Army. Be all you can be. Visit strange and exotic places , > meet new and different people, then shoot them. Might makes right.If youre > too old or out of shape , you can join in the fun nightly on CNN or buy > Lockheed stock...LMT 55.29 +1.11 . War is good business, invest in it.If ya > got no money , invest your son . Its the patriotic thing to do.Next up: The > Columbians. Theyre not useful to us anymore because we dont need > off-the-books money to give 'rightist' guerillas to fight 'communism' in > Central America any more. > AT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:08:37 -0800 From: "Dee" Subject: Re: more philosophical blahs.. Media-monger, war, alien concepts... Media-monger that I am, I couldn't resist this thread. Not to politicize the list, but Attorney General John Ashcroft essentially testified in front of congress six weeks ago that any Americans who disagree with his approach to how the Gov't handles the business of this war is "aiding and abetting terrorism." So I -- for one -- will not be saying anything too much against our brand our democracy anytime soon. But I'd still feel very amiss if I didn't include the lyrics of another of my fave songs - strongly akin to Robert Heinlein's cult classic "Stranger in a Strange land," a look at love from an "alien" perspective. d. Saturn, Stevie Wonder Packing my bags -- going away To a place where the air is clean On Saturn There's no sense to sit and watch people die We don't fight our wars the way you do We put back all the things we use On Saturn There's no sense to keep on doing such crimes There's no principles in what you say No direction in the things you do For your world is soon to come to a close Through the ages all great men have taught Truth and happiness just can't be bought - or sold Tell me why are you people so cold I'm.... Going back to Saturn where the rings all glow Rainbow, moonbeams and orange snow On Saturn People live to be two hundred and five Going back to Saturn where the people smile Don't need cars cause we've learned to fly On Saturn Just to live to us is our natural high We have come here many times before To find your strategy to peace is war Killing helpless men, women and children That don't even know what they're dying for We can't trust you when you take a stand With a gun and bible in your hand And the cold expression on your face Saying give us what we want or we'll destroy I'm.... Going back to Saturn where the rings all glow Rainbow, moonbeams and orange snow On Saturn People live to be two hundred and five Going back to Saturn where the people smile Don't need cars cause we've learned to fly On Saturn Just to live to us is our natural high ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:36:36 -0800 From: "AT" Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah Go Navy! Well I hope some of you "anti" whatever it is you are opposed to sleep a little better if you got the balls to read more about the > reality you face. Man is this country in for a wake up call Yes , wake up to the reality that these things happen not by accident but by design.Caesar, Attila The Hun , Napoleon, Hitler , One Worlders. Yes theres all kind of weaponry out there-always has been. No , I dont sleep all that well at night. And 'anti whatever' is anti-militarism.As abhorrent as whatever the final toll is from the September fun and games is,that number pales by comparison to the final tally from previous 'real' wars we fought , or for that matter , the annual traffic fatality rate. And , much as General Motors will compare cost-effectiveness of wrongful death lawsuit vs. recall costs , governments in bed with arms manufactureres will compare 'cost effectiveness' (fatalities) against all those wonderful profits and liberties taken without protest,in the name of safety.And , wake up, this government IS in bed with Lockheed. This 'war' , like all the wars post - Viet Nam ,was (is)a media event , againt an overwhelmingly outmatched 3rd world country, and was over in a matter of days or even hours after the first bomb/missile was fired from a safe distance. Yes , outrage remains. It is supposed to. Thats how real wars get started. Good doubleplus good news. LMT 56.02 , + 1.80. THAT is what this is about - not the World Trade center. AT From the Thoroughly Modern Dictionary of Doublespeak: internationalism a stance against the sovereignty of nation states; anti-nationalism. (--internationalist) isolationist, isolationists 1. a class of people who are useful to the internationalist/globalist establishment as pariahs, for their politically incorrect beliefs regarding national sovereignty (see def 2). 2. one who supports national sovereignty and opposes internationalism/globalism; a critic of the internationalist/globalist establishment; one who opposes imperialism and interventionism; one who desires that his nation avoid foreign entanglements; a patriot. (--isolationism) Those who sacrifice Liberty for Security get neither-Benjamin Franklin Avoid International Entanglements- Goerge Washington Heres 200 Billion ,Lockheed,Yee Haw - George Bush market update LMT 56.20 +1.98 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:48:02 -0800 From: Stephanie Subject: Who me? 1. Stephanie Powers 2. Michigan/now in Redondo Beach, CA 3. 32 4. Guy from Virginia several years ago 5. No pigeon holes, all sorts, 311, I like music I haven't heard yet. 89.9 FM 6. Try UF ORB, The ORB, Lords of Acid for the feisty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:06:27 -0800 From: "AT" Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah Go Lockheed and Navy > "It doesn't look to me like they're going to be able to rescue you. Sean, we need to say goodbye." > > Beverley Eckert, on the telephone to her husband, Sean Rooney, marooned on the 105th floor of the WTC North Tower, a minute before > it collapsed. > > We're f***ing dying here." > > "We're all gonna die, but three of us are going to do something. I love you honey." > > Father-of- three Tom Burton, in a telephone call to his wife from the fourth hijacked jetliner, shortly before it crashed near > Pittsburgh. > > "One fireman stopped to take a breath and we looked each other in the eye. He was going to a place where I damn well trying to get > out of." > > Survivor of the WTC disaster Louis Lesce. > > "I was on the 78th floor and they were working their way up fast to the 90's. they were going straight into hell and they were > running there." > > Survivor of the WTC disaster > > "I just wanted to tell you I love you. I'm trapped and there's smoke everywhere." > > Melissa Hughes's telephone message to her husband > > ' I want you to know I love you. I may not see you again' > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,551099,00.html > > We're going to rush them: the victims who went down fighting > > http://www.smh.com.au/news/0109/14/world/world3.html > > Those ARE great quotes ron, who is responsible? If we were fighting THEM than it would be Righteous. Afghan babies aint the ones. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:03:12 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah Go Navy! - ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 3:36 PM Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah Go Navy! > Those who sacrifice Liberty for Security get neither-Benjamin Franklin > Avoid International Entanglements- Goerge Washington > Heres 200 Billion ,Lockheed,Yee Haw - George Bush > market update LMT 56.20 +1.98 "It doesn't look to me like they're going to be able to rescue you. Sean, we need to say goodbye." Beverley Eckert, on the telephone to her husband, Sean Rooney, marooned on the 105th floor of the WTC North Tower, a minute before it collapsed. We're f***ing dying here." "We're all gonna die, but three of us are going to do something. I love you honey." Father-of- three Tom Burton, in a telephone call to his wife from the fourth hijacked jetliner, shortly before it crashed near Pittsburgh. "One fireman stopped to take a breath and we looked each other in the eye. He was going to a place where I damn well trying to get out of." Survivor of the WTC disaster Louis Lesce. "I was on the 78th floor and they were working their way up fast to the 90's. they were going straight into hell and they were running there." Survivor of the WTC disaster "I just wanted to tell you I love you. I'm trapped and there's smoke everywhere." Melissa Hughes's telephone message to her husband ' I want you to know I love you. I may not see you again' http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,551099,00.html We're going to rush them: the victims who went down fighting http://www.smh.com.au/news/0109/14/world/world3.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:53:43 -0600 From: "Bad Bender" Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah Go Navy! I remember hearing some of that in the NBC training we get. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "sp00k@poe.org" To: "AT" ; "John A, Bell" ; "j." ; Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah Go Navy! > > ----- Original Message ----- > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) > > > > >Hell yeah its ok to rape and kill , if > > you are in the Army. Be all you can be. Visit strange and exotic places , > > meet new and different people, then shoot them. > > > Killing, yes, that is part of combat, it is authorized... rape is not. > From what I read, the people of Afghanastan are pretty happy that > for what ever reason, we drove out the taliban. There are countless > stories about how horrible it was there before we bombed the hell > out of the place, and how happy the MAJORITY are that we did > so, FIANALY. > > More importantly, we reamain at war, here is a little something for > everybody to ponder if you have already forgotten, this is not old news, > just information that is not discussed much in the media, but I guess it > deserves mention in this thread. . > > For the full article and many related > > http://www.humanunderground.com/itsdabomb.html > > See also my search results for suitcase nuclear device capsules > I wanted to capture the twin topics of bio and nuclear weaapons > of mass destruction in the results as I am aware that > such articles are out there. > > http://google.com/search?hl=en&q=suitcase+nuclear+device+capsules > > > The investigators have been able to identify at least one briefcase weapon acquired by Al Qaeda from Central Asian rogue groups. The > weapon identified is small 8-kilogram device that carries at least 2 kg of fissionable plutonium and uranium. The device, of Russian > make, carries a serial number 9999 and manufacturing date October 1988. > > The design of the device is simple. The radioactive materials consist of Uranium and Plutonium both kept in separate compartments. > At the top of the two compartments is placed the charging mechanism. The charging mechanism can be activated through a timer or even > through a cell phone command. > > Besides nuclear devices, a chemical and a biological weapon have also been identified to be in the hands of Al Qaeda activists. They > are said to be in possession of at least 70 capsules, also of Russian origin, containing a very lethal biological agent. > > Broken in a crowded place, this capsule can cause deaths on a huge scale. It melts human body meat to the bone. Another chemical > agent in the hands of Al Qaeda operators is called Vipera Lebentina Venema. A derivative of snake poisons, this venom developed in > USSR attacks through skin. > > People ask "why are you an angry-psycho" and I often say "too much reality" . Ignoracne IS bliss.. but there is also a HUGE > resentment > on my part in the knowledge that the vast majority of the world just don't know, care, or worry about such things, I ENVY You. > Well I hope some of you "anti" whatever it is you are opposed to sleep a little better if you got the balls to read more about the > reality you face. Man is this country in for a wake up call. Go Army? You better hope so, but you psychos go Navy > > http://www.navy.com/index.jsp?hasFlash=true > > l8r > > sp00k etc ... > Http://Poe.Org > Http://DigitalSter.Com > ============================================================================ ================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:26:18 -0800 (PST) From: jason blakely Subject: Re: Conjure One release date Here's some new info on Conjure One. For more news go here http://www.mindphaser.com/docs/ui_news.html 05-02-02 Conjure One tracklist Here's the tracklist for the forthcoming Conjure One album; 1. Damascus (vocals by Chemda) 2. Center of the Sun (vocals by Poe) 3. Sleep (vocals by Marie Claire D'Ubaldo 4. Tidal Pool (vocals by Chemda) 5. Manic Star (vocals by Marie Claire D'Ubaldo) 6. Redemption (vocals by Chemda) 7. Years (vocals sampled from Chemda) 8. Make A Wish (vocals by Poe) 9. Pandora 10. Satellite Girl (vocals by Mel Garside) 11. Premonition 21-01-02 Conjure One update An 'excellent' new remix of Sleep (first single) from Max Graham has just been received by Rhys. The release of the album has been delayed due to sample clearances and deals with vocalists, but it seems to be almost ready to go for April with a single in March. Look out for a video done by Sean Ellis (UK fashion photographer who did the Lamb video for "Gabriel" see-www.cottonwool.com) Rhys has also been working on a new Delerium track with Bill right now as well that will feature a "well known but out of the current limelight" vocalist Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:10:52 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) In a message dated 2/25/2002 1:05:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, jbell126@nac.net writes: > Personally, I find it difficult to accept that there is no morality, = > thus I am forced to accept the real presence of real good and real evil. = > How how does one justify otherwise? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good and Evil are forms of knowledge, not substances...and morality is relative, not absolute, and arrived at aesthetically. IOW, bad morals = bad taste. ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V7 #59 **********************************