From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V7 #58 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, February 25 2002 Volume 07 : Number 058 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NPR: I hate college..lol.. homework question ["j." ] NPR: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) ["j." ] Re:NPR Who Am I [Spidersrcute2@aol.com] NPR: Quote and Animal Testing [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: NPR: I hate college..lol.. homework question [Derek Benton ] NPR:post your lyrics ["Andrea E. Jackman" ] NPR: post your lyrics ["Andrea E. Jackman" ] NPR: Post your lyrics -- The system, the cog, oh joy! ["Dee" ] Re: NPR: CANADA WINS GOLD! [XWhenIGrowUpX@aol.com] Re: CANADA WINS GOLD! [Matthew and Manda Harris ] NPR-Re: CANADA WINS GOLD!-NPR ["Bad Bender" ] Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) ["John A, Bell" Subject: Re: NPR: I hate college..lol.. homework question Another stone-bird-bush deal: [snip] > From: "E N Z O" [snip] > You're on a mailing list, there's bound to be stuff like that on it. That's The presence of it, yes. The tolerence level for this sort of thing seems to be higher on here than on most lists I've been on, and I'm not sure that that's a good thing. Nevertheless, I'm willing to retract the part of the original statement involving "most of us". I stand by everything else I've said to and about the person, though. > what NPR is for. If you don't want to read it or participate, don't, but > reacting like you did was rude. It's a email from a fellow AP with a Of course it was rude. That was the whole point. It was rude to be asked the question in the first place. I respond in kind. > genuine question - I say you'd be hard pressed to demonstrate a great > similarity with "spam" etc. especially when you could filter it. No one was > forcing you to respond. You're right. I chose to respond. When people put 'NPR' in a subject, it's usually to branch the conversation off into something "Non Poe Related", not to get people to take some silly survey. If I wanted to do that, I'd go browse Geocities pages. As for the spam bit, I don't see what's so difficult about the comparison, it's fairly obvious. > > Kung-Gene [snip] > From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com [snip] > I agree with this, I wouldn't consider this spam because it's for school and I guess you and I just plain disagree on this point -- there's not much more that can be said :P > everyone hates doing assignments such as this cuz there's always the chance > of asking someone that's ready to beat you over the head with a bat. However, Well, yes, but if you stop looking at it as "someone needing help" and start looking at it as "someone contributing to the spam problem", then it takes on a whole new perspective. > I just got an email from a Sonic Youth list advertising a Cindy Crawford > list. Yeah... that kinda stuff is just a bit out of place. > Peace, MeLissA I feel the same way about this. [snip] > From: LolipopFailure@aol.com [snip] > its just helping out a friend you guys.....its no biggie....really, i mean, > c'mon....if a simple survey that takes 2 minutes to do that was marked NPR > puts you in such a bad mood.....maybe you should try going back to bed and > getting up from the other side No, it's not "just helping out a friend". Read above, I elaborate. [snip] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 02:31:43 -0600 From: "j." Subject: NPR: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) I find myself agreeing with KrodKnid here, but I feel like I should point out two things: a) Good and evil are subjective. They only exist in the human mind, it's impossible to assign it an objective value. As such, yes, human beings are neither good nor evil, except in the way you look at them. Which, of course, is different for everybody. b) I find myself disagreeing with the whole Babylon/godhead/superior being reference, being an atheist. No problems with whatever you believe in, I just thought I'd mention it and maybe get you to explain your beliefs further, just out of curiosity. > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:29:37 EST > From: KrodKnid@aol.com > Subject: Re: NPR: I hate college..lol.. homework question > > In a message dated 2/23/2002 1:17:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, > MRPierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > > > > On the same thought, I think the REAL issue here is this. The Glass is still > > half full. I human being while capable of hideous Evil, it is also of the > > acts of kindness that is unheard of in non-sentient beings. Weather you > > believe that it is possible for them to do so or not(rather, it is factual > > or not), the glass is still half full. If you wish to believe that the > > human > > race is nothing but evil, then you may experience a self fulfilling > > prophecy. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Human beings are neither good nor evil...they are pathetic pieces of shit > that are subject to every whim and vicissitude of fortune...and if they ever > happen accomplish either good or evil, it is likely an accident or quirk of > fate or the result of them being a pawn for some superior being. Most humans > are wholly unworthy of the godhood that is theirs for the taking, preferring > to wallow in the slime of Babylon instead. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:44:54 EST From: FallenAngel1204@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: I hate college..lol.. homework question In a message dated 2/24/2002 3:22:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, jak@ircii.org writes: > I stand by everything else I've > said to and about the person, though. > -------------------- > You know what, you dont know me, you dont know shit about me, and you can > ? Oh fucking > > you say" about me, you have no right to say a damn word about me... About > the post, fine, but not about me. Nothing about my question was rude, so > blow it out your ass. I am sick of this shit. If you dont wanna get mail > about shit other than one specific topic then take yourself off the mailing > list. Jesus christ. There was nothing rude about it, and if you think saing > "hey, what hand do you drive with?" is rude, then what the fuck are you > being? You have gone above and beyond any necessary reply to make me feel > like an ass.. Well it didnt work, and you just look like a dick for it.. So > go ahead.. reply to this. Bad-mouth me some more, when you dont even > fucking know a thing about me. Assume that you are better than me, because > you "dont believe in this shit." I dont rightly give two shits what you > believe in, and no matter how much you say about me, or anyone else on > here, my "hey, fuck off" response to you is not going to change. > Some people responded, some didnt. And thats fine. If 5 people would have > answered it would have been helpful, and actually about 30 or so did. I > appreciate the responses I got, and my post has helped me collecta lot of > data. Thanks to the people who do not feel a pressing need to act like the > world revolves around them. > This is my last statement on the subject, so like I said, go ahead and be a prick and > post whatever you wanna say about me.. and then sit there, satisfied with > yourself, and pretend that your half-ass, shallow-minded, moronic, childish > opinion matters to me. : 0 ) Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:52:02 EST From: FallenAngel1204@aol.com Subject: Re..NPR College Question.. lets try this again > I stand by everything else I've > said to and about the person, though. > -------------------- (sorry about my last response being fucked up) > You know what, you dont know me, you dont know shit about me, and you can > ? Oh fucking well. I am tired of it being rehashed.. and as far as you "standing by what > you say" about me, you have no right to say a damn word about me... About > the post, fine, but not about me. Nothing about my question was rude, so > blow it out your ass. I am sick of this shit. If you dont wanna get mail > about shit other than one specific topic then take yourself off the mailing > list. Jesus christ. There was nothing rude about it, and if you think saing > "hey, what hand do you drive with?" is rude, then what the fuck are you > being? You have gone above and beyond any necessary reply to make me feel > like an ass.. Well it didnt work, and you just look like a dick for it.. So > go ahead.. reply to this. Bad-mouth me some more, when you dont even > fucking know a thing about me. Assume that you are better than me, because > you "dont believe in this shit." I dont rightly give two shits what you > believe in, and no matter how much you say about me, or anyone else on > here, my "hey, fuck off" response to you is not going to change. > Some people responded, some didnt. And thats fine. If 5 people would have > answered it would have been helpful, and actually about 30 or so did. I > appreciate the responses I got, and my post has helped me collecta lot of > data. Thanks to the people who do not feel a pressing need to act like the > world revolves around them. > This is my last statement on the subject, so like I said, go ahead and be a prick and > post whatever you wanna say about me.. and then sit there, satisfied with > yourself, and pretend that your half-ass, shallow-minded, moronic, childish > opinion matters to me. : 0 ) Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 03:54:04 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) In a message dated 2/24/2002 3:32:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, jak@ircii.org writes: > b) I find myself disagreeing with the whole Babylon/godhead/superior being > reference, being an atheist. No problems with whatever you believe in, > I just thought I'd mention it and maybe get you to explain your beliefs > further, just out of curiosity. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I am a god, of course...but I won't bother to explain, since I already know you don't believe in me:-P ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 04:08:10 -0600 From: "j." Subject: Re: NPR: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) Haha, fair enough :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:56:17 -0500 From: "Pierce, Marshall" Subject: RE: Who Am I No, actually I can't..I don't even pretend to be able to dance...=) btw, I guess the world is just one big relative posture. lol - -----Original Message----- From: ndr [mailto:phidias@netgate.net] Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:24 PM To: Pierce, Marshall Cc: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: Who Am I Impressive resume but can you do the Charleston? On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Pierce, Marshall wrote: > > I am Love and Hate > > I am Good and Evil > > I am Sloth and Righteousness > > I am Greed and Charity > > I am Ignorance and Enlightenment > > I am all these things above and more. In the Darkest hour I can reach up and > bathe the world in Light. I can reach forth with great wrath and destroy all > that is pure before me; I can stand alone in the middle of Chaos and calm > the seas. Who am I? > > > > I am you and me. > > I am Human. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:21:12 EST From: Spidersrcute2@aol.com Subject: Re:NPR Who Am I I read that and wanted to cry. Now that is either because that is so true, or because of pms. Either is likely. As far as animals protecting each other, has any of you watched the news lately?? There was this lioness who keeps adopting gazelle babies in the wild. The stupid animal people take them away from her so they can be nurtured to health and let go. I feel really bad for the lioness, I mean these people keep stealing her "babies". Only a human being would see something wrong in cross species bonding. Tracie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:36:08 EST From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: NPR: Quote and Animal Testing In a message dated 2/23/02 12:30:39 PM Central Standard Time, KrodKnid@aol.com writes: > If you wish to believe that the > > human > > race is nothing but evil, then you may experience a self fulfilling > > Too bad I missed this whole conversation last night... I was at the Orpheum watching Tommy :) I guess since my signature quote is why there's a LOT of email in everyone's box, I guess I should explain why I like the quote. I personally do not hate every human being, I'm not a misanthrope of any kind. However, I do think that hating mankind can produce some great books :) This quote automatically made me think of the fur industry, because humans kill up to 40 minks to make just ONE coat. They set traps and electrocute them in their ASS. Also, when companies such as L'Oreal and Revlon test their products on animals, they pour tooth paste, deodorant, and NAIL POLISH REMOVER into rabbits' eyes because they don't have tear ducts. Other companies inject rat poison into rabbits to see how toxic it could be for children. They also take domestic animals that are lost (this could mean your very own dog or cat) into their hands to mutate and experiment with. I do believe this quote applies to mankind strongly. Peace, MeLissA Of all the animals, man is the only one that is cruel. He is the only one that inflicts pain for the pleasure of doing it. - Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:57:40 -0500 From: Derek Benton Subject: Re: NPR: I hate college..lol.. homework question *delurking* Hmmm, can we say "Mountain out of mole-hills"? I'm pretty sure one of the things mentioned in the introduction to the angry-psychos list is how we are trying to build a "community" based on our fondness (in varying degrees) of POE and whatever else we may find we have in common. That's part of the reason I joined, even though I don't post too much, is because of that sense of community. In a community one would think they could find help for things in their personal life, things like, oh say, a survey for school?? I'm not saying that one should EXPECT people to help them with things like this (and then harass them when they don't). J, I'm not sure why you joined the list, but I respect that you feel what was posted was rude. But the fact is, as you have said, nobody forced you to respond, you chose to do so. This is obviously something you are very vehement about. I'm not sure why you feel you need to be so difficult about this, it would almost appear that you were perhaps looking for something to get on a soapbox about. On the other lists I've been a member of in the past, things like that were rare, but generally tolerated, so long as it was preceded with an 'OT' and people weren't made to feel they HAD to respond. If you feel you have to open and read every e-mail that comes in your inbox, then I'd say you have WAY too much free time . The fact is, this list isn't moderated, you can't control what somebody is going to post, sure you can whine and moan about it, but that becomes old very quickly. I feel the survey was posted with the thought that fellow community members, maybe even friends would respond if they felt inclined to do so. Of course, I'm not speaking for the person who posted the survey, this as everything above, is just my opinion. You obviously didn't want to respond to the survey,fine, your choice, but I think blowing up and making this such a big deal is a tad ridiculous. If it had been sent to your personal e-mail, then I think that would be a different story. But it was posted on a list of quite a few people, and seemingly you are the only one who got this upset about it. Being that it was posted to a community list I don't think it was rude. You had the same choice you do when there is a thread being discussed that you don't care for, or don't want to respond to, you can delete it and not let it bother you. You chose to be rude and belligerent, which to me, undermines your point considerably. I'm hoping your not part of this list to "jump into the fray" whenever you feel offended, because I got news for you, it'll happen again. Just my two cents. Derek ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:50:34 -0800 From: "AT" Subject: NPR:post your lyrics After a morning of Patti smith (thanks Julie) I got stuck in the past.Midnight Oil...A little on the old side , 1983. Love it. Short Memory The Zulu and the Navaho The Belgians in the Congo Plantation in Virginia The Raj in British India The deadline in South Africa The story of El Salvador The silence of Hiroshima Destruction of Cambodia Short memory, must have a short memory The sight of hotels by the Nile The designated Hilton style With running water specially bought A smallish man Afghanistan A watch dog in a nervous land They're only there to lend a hand The friendly five a dusty smile Wake up in a sweat at dead of night And in the tents new rifles, hey, short memory US Forces US forces give the nod It's a setback for your country Bombs and trenches all in rows Bombs and threats still ask for more Divided world the CIA Who controls the issue You leave us with no time to talk You can write your own assessment Sing me songs of no denying Seems to me too many trying Waiting for the next big thing Will you know it when you see it High risk children dogs of war Now market movements call the shots Business deals in parking lots Waiting for the meat of tomorrow Everyone is too stoned to start emission People too scared to go to prison We're unable to make decisions Political party line don't cross that floor L. Ron Hubbard can't save your life Superboy takes a plutonium wife In the shadows of Ban the Bomb we live Sing me songs of no denying Seems to me too many trying Waiting for the next big thing ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:31:09 -0500 From: "Andrea E. Jackman" Subject: NPR:post your lyrics heh. aside from POE and Tori and Tom Waits and Bob Dylan (all of whose lyrics i could post in wild random anthology forms until you all grew weary . . .) i also REALLY like Beck and what he writes. for instance: Arabian Nights - BECK Bazookas and fisticuffs Medicating in Porsches 98-karat stick shift Chinatown late-night meals Alfonso giving me a backrub 2 pm laser vizzaginal rejuvenation Triple album project Detonatin' tracks like these Magnums and Barrettas Part-time hostages in pottery classes Blind date at the wax museum Norwegian hockey players passed out in government limos Prime ministers with cryogenic faces Louis Vuitton suitcases Autographs and paid vacations Divorce papers and synthetic lubrications Playin' you like top-40 stations Ah, you know the deal Arabian nights White satellites Voodoo is tight Like sleek diamond ice Airbrushed memories strewn like pamphlets into fifth Mississippis Time-lapse footage of duct-taped lies Animal frequencies pinching deodorized nerves Cosmetic procedures on the cartilage of apocalypse Mannequin tycoons with airport-piano-bar mystiques Remodeling conjugal amaracus Flexing like suburban Spartacus Getting smacked up by unemployed hand models Running out into the middle of traffic with beaujolais bottles Arabian nights White satellites Voodoo is tight Like sleek diamond ice ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:35:13 -0500 From: "Andrea E. Jackman" Subject: NPR: post your lyrics AT --- you lyrics post of Smith's "Short Memory" made me think of Jeff Buckley's post-mortem anthem. and so i post my lyrics . . . ///Andrea littleREDelf ~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~_~ The Sky Is A Landfill - JEFF BUCKLEY Circle around the park Joining hands in silence Watch the evil black the sky The storm has ripped the shelter Of illusion from our brow This power is no mystery to us now. Leave your spirit genocide The cancer you won't remove We cast our funeral rose inside And bury the need to prove Our mutilation is to gain from the system Ooh, turn your head away From the screen, oh people It will tell you nothing more Don't suck the milk of flaccid Bill K. Public's empty promise To the people that the public can ignore This way of life is so devised To snuff out the mind that moves Moving with grace the men despise And women have learned to lose Throw off your shame or be a slave to the system I see you take another drag One more lost soul to raise your flag The sky is a landfill I see you take another drag Let's see you take another drag You like to dance to the rolling Head of the adulteress You sing in praise of suicide We know you're useless Like cops at the scene of the crime With your steroids and your feedbag And your stable and your trainer I got a mail bomb for you Mister Strong Arm. Roll out the stones from all the cemetery homes For the violence of a nation gone by For the politics of weakness And the garbage dump of souls That will now black the sky Their yellow haze and crowds of eyes Will plug up the mind that moves Moving with grace the men despise And women have learned to lose We'll share our bodies In disdain for the system Oh, I see you take another drag One nation bends to kiss the hag The sky is a landfill I see you take another drag I see you take another drag I have no fear of this machine! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:54:34 -0800 From: "Dee" Subject: NPR: Post your lyrics -- The system, the cog, oh joy! A continuation of AT's lyrics, I won't do an explication of "no surprises" by radiohead (although I could). it speaks the same language of slave to the system, desolate cog in the machine, and final resolve to give up the ghost and enjoy the house in the burbs... oh joy! d. Radiohead, No Surprises A heart that's full up like a landfill A job that slowly kills you Bruises that won't heal You look so tired and unhappy Bring down the government They don't, they don't speak for us I'll take a quiet life A handshake of carbon monoxide No alarms and no surprises No alarms and no surprises No alarms and no surprises Silent, silent This is my final fit, my final bellyache with No alarms and no surprises No alarms and no surprises No alarms and no surprises please Such a pretty house, such a pretty garden No alarms and no surprises (let me out of here) No alarms and no surprises (let me out of here) No alarms and no surprises please (let me out of here) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:30:16 -0800 (PST) From: jason blakely Subject: NPR: CANADA WINS GOLD! YAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! CANADA WINS GOLD IN MEN'S HOCKEY WAY TO GO EH!!!!!!!!!! GO CANADA GO Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:08:57 EST From: XWhenIGrowUpX@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: CANADA WINS GOLD! booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! darn cannucks... no offense to our canadian friends, but i wanted the US to win. - -reg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:18:24 -0600 From: Matthew and Manda Harris Subject: Re: CANADA WINS GOLD! See, no has to feel guilty about not watching the Olymipics! Jason did it for us! Now I don't fell so bad! ShadowsKeepOnChanging (who is not much for the Olympics) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "jason blakely" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 5:30 PM Subject: NPR: CANADA WINS GOLD! > > YAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! > CANADA WINS GOLD IN MEN'S HOCKEY > WAY TO GO EH!!!!!!!!!! > GO CANADA GO > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:58:58 -0600 From: "Bad Bender" Subject: NPR-Re: CANADA WINS GOLD!-NPR I'm glad we had the Olympics here in the US but I haven't watched them. I've been too busy. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew and Manda Harris" To: "jason blakely" ; Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 7:18 PM Subject: Re: CANADA WINS GOLD! > > See, no has to feel guilty about not watching the Olymipics! Jason did it > for us! Now I don't fell so bad! > ShadowsKeepOnChanging (who is not much for the Olympics) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jason blakely" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 5:30 PM > Subject: NPR: CANADA WINS GOLD! > > > > > > YAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! > > CANADA WINS GOLD IN MEN'S HOCKEY > > WAY TO GO EH!!!!!!!!!! > > GO CANADA GO > > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 01:03:12 -0500 From: "John A, Bell" Subject: Re: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) It would seem that if you subjectify good and evil, you are then = presented with the problem of a basis for morality... Rape is not = immoral if there is no real good or evil. Though you could argue = cultural relativism, where each culture determines its own ethics, there = is no basis for any system of morals, ethics, or right and wrong. = Racism, rape, murder, theft are all morally acceptable with subjectivity = of good and evil.=20 Personally, I find it difficult to accept that there is no morality, = thus I am forced to accept the real presence of real good and real evil. = How how does one justify otherwise? - -jb - ----- Original Message ----- From: "j." To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 3:31 AM Subject: NPR: philosophical blahblah (renamed from the bitching-about-survey thread) > > I find myself agreeing with KrodKnid here, but I feel like I should point out > two things: > > a) Good and evil are subjective. They only exist in the human mind, it's > impossible to assign it an objective value. As such, yes, human beings > are neither good nor evil, except in the way you look at them. Which, > of course, is different for everybody. > > b) I find myself disagreeing with the whole Babylon/godhead/superior being > reference, being an atheist. No problems with whatever you believe in, > I just thought I'd mention it and maybe get you to explain your beliefs > further, just out of curiosity. > > > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:29:37 EST > > From: KrodKnid@aol.com > > Subject: Re: NPR: I hate college..lol.. homework question > > > > In a message dated 2/23/2002 1:17:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > MRPierce@mail.ifas.ufl.edu writes: > > > > > > > On the same thought, I think the REAL issue here is this. The Glass is still > > > half full. I human being while capable of hideous Evil, it is also of the > > > acts of kindness that is unheard of in non-sentient beings. Weather you > > > believe that it is possible for them to do so or not(rather, it is factual > > > or not), the glass is still half full. If you wish to believe that the > > > human > > > race is nothing but evil, then you may experience a self fulfilling > > > prophecy. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Human beings are neither good nor evil...they are pathetic pieces of shit > > that are subject to every whim and vicissitude of fortune...and if they ever > > happen accomplish either good or evil, it is likely an accident or quirk of > > fate or the result of them being a pawn for some superior being. Most humans > > are wholly unworthy of the godhood that is theirs for the taking, preferring > > to wallow in the slime of Babylon instead. ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V7 #58 **********************************