From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #533 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Wednesday, November 28 2001 Volume 06 : Number 533 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Miyagi's this Thursday ["Crissy Fletcher" ] SPR: Nokia Poe Ringer ["Crissy Fletcher" ] Re: POE San Francisco [freya lim ] Re: about permission from Poe and junk [Peaceofpiedesign@aol.com] APT's 10 bucks a piece [Peaceofpiedesign@aol.com] Re: about permission from Poe and junk [PURPLMOJO@aol.com] Re: about permission from Poe and junk [Cyberfan Corporation ] Re: SPR: Nokia Poe Ringer [JaunasAddiccion@aol.com] NPR-Windows XP again [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: about permission from Poe and junk [VR5SBloom@aol.com] Re: NPR-Windows XP again [KrodKnid@aol.com] KKMR interview yesterday [VR5SBloom@aol.com] Whoa, hold the phone here [Jeff ] Billboard magazine article Nov. 24 (new) [VR5SBloom@aol.com] Re: NPR-Windows XP again ["Andrea E. Jackman" ] Re: KKMR interview yesterday ["Andrea E. Jackman" ] Re: about permission from Poe and junk [PURPLMOJO@aol.com] Re: about permission from Poe and junk [PURPLMOJO@aol.com] Re: KKMR interview yesterday ["brendles" ] Re: Billboard magazine article Nov. 24 (new) [K3285@aol.com] NPR-meeting mates off the net? [Finedragonfly7@aol.com] Re: NPR-meeting mates off the net? ["Andrea E. Jackman" ] Re: NPR-meeting mates off the net? ["mike brame" ] Re: NPR-meeting mates off the net? [JustSpiffy@aol.com] Re: NPR-meeting mates off the net? [JennaBopo@aol.com] Re: NPR-meeting mates off the net? ["Vanessa Miranda" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:26:17 -0800 From: "Crissy Fletcher" Subject: Re: Miyagi's this Thursday Even though we still dont have tickets My friend Sarah and I will show up and hope we can get some or something. otherwise i guess well have to find something else to do. Crissy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:49:25 -0800 From: "Crissy Fletcher" Subject: SPR: Nokia Poe Ringer Does anyone have the site to download the nokia 3360 ringers I want to get the Poe one. I just got a new cell phone so I thought it would be cool. Thanks, Crissy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 06:36:30 -0800 (PST) From: freya lim Subject: Re: POE San Francisco when is the san francisco show?? thanks, freya On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Molly B wrote: > > Hi all, I just got this email account back after losing it so I have not > heard the latest scoop. Anything exciting going on surrounding the San > Francisco show at Bimbo's? I can't wait!!!!!! Please let me know :) > > Thanks, > > Molly > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:08:13 EST From: Peaceofpiedesign@aol.com Subject: Re: about permission from Poe and junk In a message dated 11/26/01 8:18:31 PM Central Standard Time, VR5SBloom@aol.com writes: > I yelled at Julie/pieceofpie over and over about little things not to use on > something I missed here? I don't remember any yelling, or even any tiny tidbits of your infinite fucking wisdom. Julie FYI - I THOUGHT I HAD PERMISSION. I have emails which I thought proved the designs were approved. This project was never for profit, hell I've given away more product than I have sold. AP's who couldn't afford shirts, I sent them for free. I discussed this matter with Angie a little more than a week ago, and she informed me the permission I had received was not official. I offered to send her the remaining shirts, thought maybe Poe could toss them into the crowd or something ... but she told me just to sell what was left and not to produce anymore. She said all permission needed to be routed through her. At that point, I had already sent another design through what I believed was the approval process. I told her about that, and she told me not to pursue the matter through anyone but her. When I asked her what my next move should be, she really didn't offer any suggestions so I assumed she is not interested in granting me permission at this time. I don't have a problem with that. This whole thing has been wayyy too much work anyway. If I were Poe, I wouldn't want a bunch of people cutting in on my territory either. I am done with psychothreads, but I would like to recoup as much of my losses as I can. I have 10 caps left ... buy one, pay with PayPal, and get a free white AP shirt. First come first serve. I have an additional 30 shirts or so ... 10 bucks a piece. Buy them now, they will not be for sale again ... when they're gone, they're gone. Sorry folks, but all good things must come to an end. It's been a hoot. www.psychothreads.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:10:02 EST From: Peaceofpiedesign@aol.com Subject: APT's 10 bucks a piece white UNOFFICIAL APT's discontinued ... closing out 10 bucks a piece. First come first serve. www.psychothreads.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:43:42 EST From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com Subject: Re: about permission from Poe and junk You know julie technically the only thing that can even be considered a copyright infringment would be the white Angry Psycho shirt only be cause it has Poe's picture on it. Angry Psycho is not trademarked to Poe or Atlantic that I know of. If I remember correctly Angry Psycho's was developed by us the fans. Thus Angry Psycho's Incorporated. So no one but our board of directors has right to say stop printing Angry psycho threads.. Don't ditch the threads just yet. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:08:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: Re: about permission from Poe and junk I agree... and from my understanding... you got permission from POE to use that particular picture... *** over-reaction is a sign of misunderstanding. wait until more information surfaces on this issue. *************************************************** JK/// Jarrod Kniff President - Cyberfan Corporation jarrod@cyberfan.com *************************************************** "One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preparation." -- Arthur Ashe *************************************************** On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 PURPLMOJO@aol.com wrote: > > You know julie technically the only thing that can even be considered a copyright infringment would be the white Angry Psycho shirt only be cause it has Poe's picture on it. > > Angry Psycho is not trademarked to Poe or Atlantic that I know of. If I remember correctly Angry Psycho's was developed by us the fans. Thus Angry Psycho's Incorporated. So no one but our board of directors has right to say stop printing Angry psycho threads.. > > Don't ditch the threads just yet. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:49:25 EST From: Prozackitty16@aol.com Subject: Miyagi's this Thursday(FINAL) Just to let y'all know...Myagis this Thursday @ 5 before the show is FINAL. Wear a Rose so we know whos a Psychos and whos not. See you all there!! ~Gypsy P.S. All are welcome! Need not RSVP! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:49:33 EST From: Prozackitty16@aol.com Subject: Miyagi's this Thursday(FINAL) Just to let y'all know...Myagis this Thursday @ 5 before the show is FINAL. Wear a Rose so we know whos a Psychos and whos not. See you all there!! ~Gypsy P.S. All are welcome! Need not RSVP! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:49:39 EST From: Prozackitty16@aol.com Subject: Miyagi's this Thursday(FINAL) Just to let y'all know...Myagis this Thursday @ 5 before the show is FINAL. Wear a Rose so we know whos a Psychos and whos not. See you all there!! ~Gypsy P.S. All are welcome! Need not RSVP! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:49:42 EST From: Prozackitty16@aol.com Subject: Miyagi's this Thursday(FINAL) Just to let y'all know...Myagis this Thursday @ 5 before the show is FINAL. Wear a Rose so we know whos a Psychos and whos not. See you all there!! ~Gypsy P.S. All are welcome! Need not RSVP! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 16:44:12 EST From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: about permission from Poe and junk Hello PURPLMOJO@aol.com, In reference to your comment: h You know julie technically the only thing that can even h be considered a copyright infringment would be the h white Angry Psycho shirt only be cause it has Poe's h picture on it. Angry Psycho is not trademarked to h Poe or Atlantic that I know of. If I remember correctly h Angry Psycho's was developed by us the fans. Thus h Angry Psycho's Incorporated. So no one but our board h of directors has right to say stop printing Angry psycho h threads.. Don't ditch the threads just yet. For the record Angry Psycho (s) is a pending Trade Mark by Angry Psychos, Inc. It has been used since 1995 and in interstate commerce since 1996. But that is all legal "stuff" that is not relevant. The fact is Poe has accepted us since the beginning, we have all heard it, it is all OVER the media Poe has been interviewed by. It would take someone living an an altered state to even TRY to dispute that! Heck, just read the liner notes on the Haunted CD! Atlantic and FEI have both recognized us since the beginning. FEI has even given us respect! I wasn't that involved with the Psychos in the past before Jeff Shock was her manager but certainly he and the two managers that followed him have recognized us. Do we really CARE that Angie does not? I talked to Paul again this morning. He asks us to remain cool about this. He assures us he IS working on it and he has encountered NOBODY that approves of what Angie has said. He reiterated his previous permissions for the Angry Psycho shirt with Poe singing in his position has a manager AND as "the label" and ( in addition to the videotape we have of Poe saying it was great) he recalls getting Poe's permission on it. Nobody asked Angie yet because up to and thru the Depeche Mode tour Angie had never even HEARD of Poe, let alone elevated herself to the combined position of publicist/manager/ AND label! The current shirt (Angry Psychos Unite) has been approved by the label, is awaiting approval by management ... I have email from Patrick that shows that it is under consideration by Nettwerk for approval, but has not been approved as YET. It is TOTALLY unprecedented in the music industry for a publicist or a fan club "point person" to have total control over an artists image over their label and the artist management and I can assure you that this one doesn't have that authority either. This will pass, but the problem is that THIS one is best friend to the man Poe loves. THAT puts a tough twist on it for Poe. So remember, whenever we attack her personally (I know, I was one of the worst) we hurt Poe. We have GOT to take the high road on this!! Never thought I would see the day when I thought I would suggest this....but we need to show the kind of restraint Sp00k is! If he can maintain, and I can as hot tempered as we can be, then all of us should be able to. I know you guys may not care and it is not my place but I have got to TELL you ....... I am SOOOO proud of you guys and how well you are just letting this go and letting Paul and Patrick deal with it. This too shall pass! ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: about permission from Poe and junk Date: 11/27/2001 12:44:50 PM Pacific Standard Time From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com To: Peaceofpiedesign@aol.com, vr5sbloom@aol.com, angry-psychos@smoe.org Sent from the Internet (Details) You know julie technically the only thing that can even be considered a copyright infringment would be the white Angry Psycho shirt only be cause it has Poe's picture on it. Angry Psycho is not trademarked to Poe or Atlantic that I know of. If I remember correctly Angry Psycho's was developed by us the fans. Thus Angry Psycho's Incorporated. So no one but our board of directors has right to say stop printing Angry psycho threads.. Don't ditch the threads just yet. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:53:59 -0700 From: "Rob Darke" Subject: Re: SPR: Nokia Poe Ringer You'll want to make sure that you've got a phone that's compatible with those ringers. I wanted it on my Nokia (which is one of the better models), but it's not compatible. 8-( You can get to the site from Nokia.com I believe, you have to put your cell phone number in there to access the page though. Guess they don't want us non-compatible people to even hear what they sound like. Damn, damn, damn! Rob >From: "Crissy Fletcher" >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: SPR: Nokia Poe Ringer >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:49:25 -0800 > > >Does anyone have the site to download the nokia 3360 ringers I want to get >the Poe one. I just got a new cell phone so I thought it would be cool. >Thanks, >Crissy > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 17:57:58 EST From: JaunasAddiccion@aol.com Subject: Re: SPR: Nokia Poe Ringer Does anyone know if these are approved, official ring tones? Just curious.... - ---dan (just kidding btw) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:10:54 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: NPR-Windows XP again I am willing to bet that the people experiencing the most trouble with Windows XP are the ones running a system which just won't support it. The bare minimum is like a P233 and 64 megs of RAM...and it will be struggling if that is all you have. It really needs 128 megs of RAM or better, a hot video card, and it should be a processor with MMX support (with 3-D Now too is even better...as in AMD K-6/2 and up). I am running an AMD K6-2/400 with 384 megs of RAM and an Nvidia TNT video card with 16 megs of video RAM (wish I had better video even). I have had minimal problems with Win XP, and now that I have been tweaking it they are all but gone. Win XP kicks butt for me now. If any of you want a tweaking utility that works with XP, let me know. If I can't send it as an attachment to e-mail I can at least find a link to the download site...I think it is freeware...or tell you a few of the easiest tweaks to improve performance. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:23:42 EST From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: Re: about permission from Poe and junk From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com > You know julie technically the only thing that can even be considered a > copyright infringment would be the white Angry Psycho shirt only be cause it > has Poe's picture on it. "If you were here you would know" on the first peaceofpie shirt is a lyric used without permission. > Angry Psycho is not trademarked to Poe or Atlantic that I know of. If I > remember correctly Angry Psycho's was developed by us the fans. Thus Angry > Psycho's Incorporated. So no one but our board of directors has right to say > stop printing Angry psycho threads.. Correct. They just can't have any images of Poe, her logo, or lyrics on them, whatever is copyright/trademark to (c) Poe Go or Atlantic. Any official AP logo we design or whatever she has no valid argument unless we try to say we're official when we have no paperwork saying so. There's an interesting grey area - I have an e-mail from the guy (Beau) who created the original Poe logo with her face in it, saying we can use it as long as he is always acknowledged for it. We probably wouldn't be able to use her face but the rest of that POE logo is fine. He cut it out himself. ;P This doesn't apply to the Poe ball on Haunted or the new one on the shirts. - --Michele http://www.shellE.org/ Home of PsYcHovixen, Poe documents (including the Poe discography), Garbage and Poe trading, eXej, 12 Rounds, Mono, and Exploration Z: A Haunted House Of Leaves Alternate Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:45:09 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR-Windows XP again In a message dated 11/27/2001 7:12:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, EXej writes: > Which tweaking utility are you using? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> X-Teq Systems "XSetup". http://www.xteq.com/ Xteq Systems Homepage It is freeware:-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 19:48:31 EST From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: KKMR interview yesterday You try to be helpful, they never really care. I tried to record the KKMR interview yesterday, but when I listened to it this morning all I heard was Poe saying It's POE! and then after that was like 10 songs in a row with no DJ or commercials. At the end of it, 50 minutes later, the DJ was doing a mail bag and said Poe had left. Did anyone hear the interview? - --Michele http://www.shellE.org/ Home of PsYcHovixen, Poe documents (including the Poe discography), Garbage and Poe trading, eXej, 12 Rounds, Mono, and Exploration Z: A Haunted House Of Leaves Alternate Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:00:58 -0500 From: Jeff Subject: Whoa, hold the phone here So with all of this that Angie is saying: we are not allowed to make shirts or anything else that has Poe's face on it? Yes the shirts are being sold, but not at a profit, rather as I have heard, at a loss. All we are doing is supporting our community and showing some spirit. The shirts Julie makes are damn awesome and she puts in all of her own time to make them. I can understand no being allowed to put Poe's face on things, but you are also saying that we can not make signs that have Poe's name on it, or the Poe ball. These are important emblems in the Psycho community and yet we are restricted from using them in a prideful manner. No one is making a profit, no one is infringing on sales of other shirts because we sell the AP shirts to AP's, its not like we are making merchandise and selling it to people at events or anything. The merchandise we make is for us. Are we going to restrict people from making their own shirts with Poe balls all over them because it is a trademark? That would be ludicrous, but with the current progression of events, possible. So what can WE do? Are we a legal entity yet? Is there paperwork that says we are official? From what I understand we are a legal entity, we do have paperwork proving it, and we should start contacting the official channels to get rid of these "grey" areas. Angie's messages have a very official sound to them, but how am I to know what she has the right to say or not? What credentials? Can you please shut me up, maybe fax me a copy of a contract that says what is legal and what is not; what we can do and what we can not? I don't like politics in clubs that are for _FUN_, and this is starting to get very stupid. I am here, I will stay here, but for now I will just shut up until I start hearing some logical reasoning and proof to this mess. In Psycho Love, Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:04:30 EST From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: Billboard magazine article Nov. 24 (new) The print magazine of Billboard for November 24 has more on Tori, Collective Soul and Poe being dropped from Atlantic than their online article had. It includes the side of Atlantic Group co-chairman/co-CEO Val Azzoli. Instead of pics of the artists there is a pic of him. Rather than bashing him publically, I suggest you go out and buy this magazine now (I think the magazine is weekly so hurry up), tear out his picture and throw darts at it. If you want to read the Tori part, go to http://thedent.com/ I don't know where you can read the Collective Soul part, but it said Atlantic said OK with letting them go with two albums left on the contract because they had nearly paid everything back, so they just asked for a Greatest Hits with a few new tracks. Now the Poe part, it starts out the same way as the online one: excerpt from The Beat by Melinda Newman According to her manager Paul Fishkin, Poe was stunned to be let go since Atlantic had just picked up an option on her next album and was getting ready to release a new single from her current album, _Haunted_. "This was a very last-minute decision," Fishkin says. "It's upsetting in that she and I truly believed that we had another full year to go on working this album with Atlantic." Poe was signed to Atlantic through Fishkin's imprint, Fishkin Entertainment. The singer is currently on a club tour through the end of month that is being underwritten by Pantene. Azzoli admits that Poe is "probably feeling a little bruised" by the label's decision. As of mid-November, _Haunted_ has sold 250,000 units, according to SoundScan. Her 1996 album, _Hello_, has moved 626,000 copies. Azzoli denies that these cuts have been made because any cost-saving measures that can be written off against the Time Warner/AOL merger must be completed in a few weeks. "Everyone wants to make this into a big deal and say it's part of the Time Warner/AOL write-off, but it's not. It's the normal weeding-out process. If anything, this is because of the current leaner times; it has nothing to do with the merger." Azzoli says there's "more trimming coming," but it will be of acts that are dropped before their first project comes out. In fact, Azzoli says he expects the label to do more cutting in that fashion. "From now on at Atlantic, we'll make records, and if they aren't good enough, we won't put the record out, instead of putting it out and seeing if something happens. We've always been that way, but now I'm being much more conscientious about it than I've ever been." End of article - --Michele http://www.shellE.org/ Home of PsYcHovixen, Poe documents (including the Poe discography), Garbage and Poe trading, eXej, 12 Rounds, Mono, and Exploration Z: A Haunted House Of Leaves Alternate Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:46:29 -0500 From: "Andrea E. Jackman" Subject: Re: NPR-Windows XP again ahem... We are Microsoft. OS/2 is irrelevant. Unix is irrelevant. Openness is futile. Prepare to be assimilated. ----- Original Message ----- From: KrodKnid@aol.com To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:10 PM Subject: NPR-Windows XP again I am willing to bet that the people experiencing the most trouble with Windows XP are the ones running a system which just won't support it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:49:56 -0500 From: "Andrea E. Jackman" Subject: Re: KKMR interview yesterday i thought it was just me, i thought i failed at the whole 'time zone' thing. i listened from 4pm EST til 7pm thinking if i missed, maybe i'd at least hear a blurb but maybe --- in my infinite wisdom (or whoever did NOT say 4pm WHERE) maybe the interview broadcasted at say 1 or 2pm. dammit. ----- Original Message ----- From: VR5SBloom@aol.com To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:48 PM Subject: KKMR interview yesterday You try to be helpful, they never really care. I tried to record the KKMR interview yesterday, but when I listened to it this morning all I heard was Poe saying It's POE! and then after that was like 10 songs in a row with no DJ or commercials. At the end of it, 50 minutes later, the DJ was doing a mail bag and said Poe had left. Did anyone hear the interview? --Michele http://www.shellE.org/ Home of PsYcHovixen, Poe documents (including the Poe discography), Garbage and Poe trading, eXej, 12 Rounds, Mono, and Exploration Z: A Haunted House Of Leaves Alternate Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:51:54 EST From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com Subject: Re: about permission from Poe and junk "If you were here you would know" on the first peaceofpie shirt is a lyric used without permission.>>>>> Well I can't confirm what the origninal draft or first printing of shirts said, But the current shirts say and my shirt sadys "If you Were You would know". Which makes more sense than if you were here you would know, But point still is Julie don't jump ship just yet. You may want to retract the earlier emails on the psycho threads sale. ;-) anyways don't have much time to debate, back to work zoom zoom zoooooom Lord Lonnie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:52:00 EST From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com Subject: Re: about permission from Poe and junk "If you were here you would know" on the first peaceofpie shirt is a lyric used without permission.>>>>> Well I can't confirm what the origninal draft or first printing of shirts said, But the current shirts say and my shirt sadys "If you Were You would know". Which makes more sense than if you were here you would know, But point still is Julie don't jump ship just yet. You may want to retract the earlier emails on the psycho threads sale. ;-) anyways don't have much time to debate, back to work zoom zoom zoooooom Lord Lonnie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:01:04 -0600 From: "brendles" Subject: Re: KKMR interview yesterday Actually, I heard it, but it was interspersed between other music. On your tape, listen for when they play Haunted (I think it was around 4:20 or so), Poe speaks after that, and they talked about her split with Atlantic. She also was on KDGE around 5:15 or so, talking pretty much about the same thing. I wasn't able to tape it, but in my opinion, you didn't miss that much. Bren - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrea E. Jackman" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 8:49 PM Subject: Re: KKMR interview yesterday > > i thought it was just me, > i thought i failed at the whole 'time zone' thing. > i listened from 4pm EST til 7pm > thinking if i missed, maybe i'd at least hear a blurb > but maybe --- in my infinite wisdom (or whoever did NOT say 4pm WHERE) > maybe the interview broadcasted at say 1 or 2pm. > > dammit. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: VR5SBloom@aol.com > To: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:48 PM > Subject: KKMR interview yesterday > > > > You try to be helpful, they never really care. > > I tried to record the KKMR interview yesterday, but when I listened to it > this morning all I heard was Poe saying It's POE! and then after that was > like 10 songs in a row with no DJ or commercials. At the end of it, 50 > minutes later, the DJ was doing a mail bag and said Poe had left. > > Did anyone hear the interview? > > --Michele > > http://www.shellE.org/ > Home of PsYcHovixen, Poe documents (including the Poe discography), > Garbage and Poe trading, eXej, 12 Rounds, Mono, > and Exploration Z: A Haunted House Of Leaves Alternate Universe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:08:46 EST From: K3285@aol.com Subject: Re: Billboard magazine article Nov. 24 (new) In a message dated 11/27/01 5:06:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, VR5SBloom@aol.com writes: > In fact, Azzoli says he expects the label to do more cutting in that fashion. > > "From now on at Atlantic, we'll make records, and if they aren't good enough, > > we won't put the record out, instead of putting it out and seeing if > something happens. We've always been that way, but now I'm being much more > conscientious about it than I've ever been." > Um, if that is the case, maybe it is not such a bad thing that Poe is no longer on Mr. Azzoli"s label. Melissa Ferrick was on Atlantic. Released two albums. Was dropped. She has since released six albums and has started her own record label. She is doing quite well without the support of a major label, MTV or mainstream press. I have no fear that Poe is going to be just fine. Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:40:57 EST From: Finedragonfly7@aol.com Subject: NPR-meeting mates off the net? Hello fellow APS and cyber daters, How many date people off the net?? How many met psychos?? How many met nice people? how many think its a great new way to met people you normally wouldn't meet.. I did something silly I did a personal ad.. And well I was picked of the dating database, and now I'm single women of the week at askmen.com and I'm just curious of your opinions on the whole net date thing.. What experiences you all have to share?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:08:47 -0500 From: "Andrea E. Jackman" Subject: Re: NPR-meeting mates off the net? i met my boyfriend 4 years ago online in a YAHOO! chatroom. i moved from Detroit, MI to Annapolis, MD to be with him. he's one of the finest, most intelligent and thoughtful people i know. i have an artist friend in Italy who i have never met but who i email frequently and he always invites me there... i have another male friend who i chatted with on ICQ and as he moved from Seattle to Baltimore we finally met and had lunch a beers and a long talk. i met a really cool chick from Canada who used to come across the border to party with me in Detroit clubs. (on a side note, the P*E show at The Shelter in Detroit recently was absolutely incredible --- i flew out especially to see it!) But getting back to my friend from Canada --- she recently moved to the US, got married and had a daughter. We still talk on the phone and email all the time. there are some real-live decent, wonderful people out there. haven't met any psychos in my area, but would love to be included in any future activities. and let me just plug in here . . . i need a ROOMMATE! i've registered on 3 sites and have some possible leads but it would sure be nice to shack up with a fellow psycho (i know how that must sound) and hey -- we definitely would have one MAJOR thing in common. ///Andrea littleredelf@home.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Finedragonfly7@aol.com To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:40 PM Subject: NPR-meeting mates off the net? Hello fellow APS and cyber daters, How many date people off the net?? How many met psychos?? How many met nice people? how many think its a great new way to met people you normally wouldn't meet.. I did something silly I did a personal ad.. And well I was picked of the dating database, and now I'm single women of the week at askmen.com and I'm just curious of your opinions on the whole net date thing.. What experiences you all have to share?? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:09:28 -0800 From: "AT" Subject: Re: NPR-meeting mates off the net? > How many date people off the net?? How many met psychos?? How many met nice > people? God Bless Yahoo, unless you are a shareholder. I am Terry818 there. Psychos? Yes there are some, but would you rather meet someone from the computer or in a bar? Im sure the people in bars *never* tell lies especially near closing time! heh. Nice people, yes. My opinion is that the better half of society has the computers ,still.The worst psycho I ever met was a nice lady from Orange County who was afraid to actually meet someone from online. After spending multi-hours daily chatting with her. Pissed yours truly off soo bad I changed my ad to tell the female population at large that I only do my killing on those romantic walks on the beach, so keep me from there and youll be safe. Thats when they started writing me.Days gone by. I am all better now.Well, not , but that is another letter. AT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:20:36 -0800 From: "mike brame" Subject: Re: NPR-meeting mates off the net? Dayum! Too bad I live in LA ;) As far as meeting people off the net, I've met several wonderful APs, some friends off various bulletin boards and email lists, and my last girlfriend (dated for 6 months) off matchmaker.com Honestly, for anyone "of age" meeting someone over the net is no more dangerous than the bar scene. Or should I say, both situations are equally as dangerous. You don't know if that guy you met at the club last night is a serial hamster rapist, or even door-to-door salesman! Just be careful, exchange lots of emails (but nothing terribly personal or anything they could use to stalk you with), and follow your gut instinct. If you feel creeped out, or just get the wrong vibe, listen to it. Chances are, you'll know someone you go out with better by the first date than you would someone you meet casually on the street. Good luck, and I do not envy the amount of mail you will be getting! Motorcycle Mike _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:34:13 EST From: JustSpiffy@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR-meeting mates off the net? I met my current boyfriend courtesy of AOL personals. He is without a doubt the most perfect match for me that I have yet to come in contact with.... he's from my hometown, but I'm at University 4 hours away, but I still see him a lot and things are great so far.... I used to make fun of internet dating but... alas, I fell victim to it :-) Aoibhinn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:41:04 EST From: JennaBopo@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR-meeting mates off the net? Personally, I don't know if I could trust that whatever relationship I would form on the net would be "real" considering the fact that through words anyone can create themselves to be anything they want to be, and the reader in turn will understand them to be something totally different. That in mind, the person I am when communicating through the written word is much different than the one I am when communicating through the spoken word, and though I am both pieces formed into a whole, meeting me in person would be much different than online. I don't know if the person I would be meeting would be able to resolve me into what he wanted me to be for himself. But I suppose that is all irrelevant anyway. "A stranger in this world without you is all that I can ever be..." ~Poe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 05:48:13 +0000 From: "Vanessa Miranda" Subject: Re: NPR-meeting mates off the net? I've met dated a lot of guys off the internet and never run into a psycho. I guess I'm just lucky but some of them I met without seeing a picture first and most were all right but some of them were just ugly. Anywayz, I actually met my current boyfriend off a thing called sparkmatch.com. We had been talking for a few months over it and we decided to meet so one night he came over and we went to the movies and then that weekend we went to a rave(my first one) and he asked me out. We've been together for 5 months. So internet dating isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Another story is that my boyfreinds boss had been talking to a guy over the internet and they had never seen pictures of eachother and last month they met for the first time and they got married that night. But that's just our expieriences I'm sure there are a lot of psychos out there you just gotta be careful choosing who to trust. ~Vanessa >From: Finedragonfly7@aol.com >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: NPR-meeting mates off the net? >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:40:57 EST > > >Hello fellow APS and cyber daters, > >How many date people off the net?? How many met psychos?? How many met nice >people? how many think its a great new way to met people you normally >wouldn't meet.. I did something silly I did a personal ad.. And well I was >picked of the dating database, and now I'm single women of the week at >askmen.com and I'm just curious of your opinions on the whole net date >thing.. What experiences you all have to share?? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:08:06 -0800 From: "AT" Subject: Re: NPR-meeting mates off the net? > Personally, I don't know if I could trust that whatever relationship I would > form on the net would be "real" considering the fact that through words > anyone can create themselves to be anything they want .........much > different than the one I am when communicating through the spoken word............I don't know if the person I would be meeting > would be able to resolve me into what he wanted me to be for himself. I suppose there could be truth in the first thing, but if someone is lying ,creating an unreal persona,you should be able to see through that soon enough. Spoken word is great, e-mail sux...."meeting" is the whole point, and youre right youll never know without it,even if youre what he wants for himself, if hes not what YOU want you might wanna run. My experience is that through the computer you can at least talk to a woman. Contrary to popular opinion,men DO have actual feelings. When a guy comes at you in a club with some lame ass banter , its more likely hes timid , not stupid,or he is intimidated by your beauty and had something nice to say but lost it as he stepped up to you. A woman who would not give you the time of day in the grocery store will talk to you for an hour online.And if she dosent, the sting of rejection is not as bad in print.Ouch AT ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #533 ***********************************