From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #531 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, November 26 2001 Volume 06 : Number 531 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NPR PM Dawn [Irockedyermom@aol.com] very PR! [mark alec ] Re: very PR! ["John A. Bell" ] Re: very PR! [mark alec ] Houston Show!!! YEA!!! [Jennifer Cook ] Photos of PHX Show... [Cyberfan Corporation ] RE: Photos of PHX Show... [Ed Hunsinger ] RE: Photos of PHX Show... [Cyberfan Corporation ] Re: Photos of PHX Show... [Miki Proud ] Poe Interview Today- [angie ] POE AOL IM buddy icon ["Rusty Shelby" ] Todays Poe Interview Information ["sp00k@poe.org" ] ruh roh ["AT" ] Re: In Writing Please: ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: In Writing Please: [Cyberfan Corporation ] Re: In Writing Please: ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: In Writing Please: ["Michael Allison" ] Re: In Writing Please: [Dan98908@aol.com] Re: In Writing Please: A reminder [Dan98908@aol.com] um. [russ marshalek ] some more about UM [russ marshalek ] Jesus and his Lawyer are coming back ["AT" ] Re: some more about UM [Dan98908@aol.com] Re: some more about UM [BUDave18@aol.com] about permission from Poe and junk [VR5SBloom@aol.com] [none] ["Molly B" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:00:35 EST From: Irockedyermom@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR PM Dawn Dan! Haha I scanned past the harry potter crap and saw your post and thought, hey, now THAT is a group I haven't heard in ages. They sang one of my fave songs when I was growing up...My dad is a DJ and when I was little he used to play the song "[I Would] Die Without You" at least that's how the song went, haha, not sure about the title...I think I might have to find that song right now actually and burn it... Thanks for the reminder! ++joscelyne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:25:06 -0800 (PST) From: mark alec Subject: very PR! hey all, i haven't noticed anyone else posting about this and this is very critical to poe. atlantic records has dropped poe and tori. apparently, tori was dropped on a mutual basis, but poe was completely unaware of it! wtf?!?!?! ===== mark alec http://www.worldofalec.org/ alec@poe.org the no-quote signature.. Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:26:43 -0500 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Re: very PR! We posted about this awhile back, and have discussed t at great length, actually... She'll get signed somewhere else. She was only in with Atlantic 50%, the rest is with Fishkin Entertainment, which she she is still with. She'll be just fine. :) - -jb - ------- Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood 'Blog you, too, pal! http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 - ----- Original Message ----- From: mark alec To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:25 AM Subject: very PR! > > hey all, i haven't noticed anyone else posting about > this and this is very critical to poe. > > atlantic records has dropped poe and tori. > > apparently, tori was dropped on a mutual basis, but > poe was completely unaware of it! wtf?!?!?! > > ===== > mark alec http://www.worldofalec.org/ > alec@poe.org > > the no-quote signature.. > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:50:35 -0800 (PST) From: mark alec Subject: Re: very PR! Thanks for the extra information. I've been in a "dead zone" since thanksgiving. so, today was the first chance i've had to email. i'm still going through the loads of email.. so excuse my lack of a new and original post :) later all. ===== mark alec http://www.worldofalec.org/ alec@poe.org the no-quote signature.. Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:54:21 -0600 From: Jennifer Cook Subject: Houston Show!!! YEA!!! Hello All! WOW! I had such an awesome time at the show. We all got there at around 7:30 and they let us in a little after 8. Poe had some pretty cool merch - most of it was the same as what's on the site, but I found some Poe Thongs! I don't know why I was so intrigued by these, but I had to have them, and was determined to get them signed! (Freakin' weirdo) A few fellow AP's (Tara, Tyler, Brett, one of the many Jennifers and Nathan) all headed straight for the front, and listened to many, many Beck songs while waiting for Think Of England. While we were waiting, we had some entertainment by a strange drunk Scottish lady that took a liking to Nathan. THAT was funny. Finally, an unfortunate phone call pulled her away - DARN! Think of England came on, and they were pretty good. I felt for the poor lead singer. Her pants were so low below her hips that any time she moved, you either caught sight of a crack or a curly. Poor thing. Ah well! ANYWAY, on to POE!!! Finally when she came on stage, she looked great! She sang Hello and Choking The Cherry. They sort of faded into one another, so it was almost like one song. Then when she sang Beautiful Girl she pulled about 10-15 of us up on stage, and one of the girls she pulled up was a little 8 or 9 year old girl who became enamored with Poe. She even gave Poe her light up bracelet, which Poe played with all night. All of us girls sang and danced very happily until they finally shooed us off before the first encore. Poe stage dove a couple of times, which was pretty cool. After the show, we waited around for an hour or two. I don't know how long to tell you the truth. Anyway, she came out and signed some autographs, and signed my Poe Thongs, "Poe Was Here" and "Jen Rules" ! YAY! My mission was accomplished. One more thing... I kinda liked Craig. Sure he was on Poe's butt to hurry up, but if he didn't, we would keep her there forever, and she would probably stay. He had a picture of his son around his neck, and when we asked who it was, his face lit up when he told us. So all in all, Good Job Craig! I don't want your job though! HEE HEE! Enough of my ramblings... Jenn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:33:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: Photos of PHX Show... Here are some photos of the phoenix show... http://PHX.POE.ST Thanks *************************************************** JK/// Jarrod Kniff President - Cyberfan Corporation jarrod@cyberfan.com *************************************************** "One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preparation." -- Arthur Ashe *************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:15:54 -0500 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: RE: Photos of PHX Show... Damn Jarrod, your sign kicks ass! Wish I had gotten a chance to come chill out in Phoenix, looks like a lot of fun was had.. :) Hmm.. take note single guy out there. Poe sign == Hot chicks. :) >===== Original Message From Cyberfan Corporation ===== >Here are some photos of the phoenix show... > >http://PHX.POE.ST > > >Thanks > > >*************************************************** > >JK/// >Jarrod Kniff >President - Cyberfan Corporation >jarrod@cyberfan.com > >*************************************************** > >"One important key to success is self-confidence. > An important key to self-confidence is preparation." > - -- Arthur Ashe > >*************************************************** - -Ed (Divinity) ed@poe.org http://ed.hunsinger.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:50:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: RE: Photos of PHX Show... Damn Skippy... POE SIGN = HOT CHICKS *** Thanks Ed... We made many new APs because of my sign. It was an honor to say I was an Angry Psycho ! ! ! *************************************************** JK/// Jarrod Kniff President - Cyberfan Corporation jarrod@cyberfan.com *************************************************** "One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preparation." -- Arthur Ashe *************************************************** On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ed Hunsinger wrote: > Damn Jarrod, your sign kicks ass! Wish I had gotten a chance to come chill > out > in Phoenix, looks like a lot of fun was had.. :) Hmm.. take note single guy > out there. Poe sign == Hot chicks. :) > > >===== Original Message From Cyberfan Corporation > ===== > >Here are some photos of the phoenix show... > > > >http://PHX.POE.ST > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > >*************************************************** > > > >JK/// > >Jarrod Kniff > >President - Cyberfan Corporation > >jarrod@cyberfan.com > > > >*************************************************** > > > >"One important key to success is self-confidence. > > An important key to self-confidence is preparation." > > > -- Arthur Ashe > > > >*************************************************** > > -Ed (Divinity) > ed@poe.org > http://ed.hunsinger.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:32:22 -0800 (PST) From: Miki Proud Subject: Re: Photos of PHX Show... Very cool pics Jarrod. Thanks for sharing. Oh, by the way, my site's not in the poe.st webhub anymore. Any particular reason for that? It's the anotherworld.poe.st one. Lemme know what's up. - --- Cyberfan Corporation wrote: > > Here are some photos of the phoenix show... > > http://PHX.POE.ST > > > Thanks > > > *************************************************** > > JK/// > Jarrod Kniff > President - Cyberfan Corporation > jarrod@cyberfan.com > > *************************************************** > > "One important key to success is self-confidence. > An important key to self-confidence is > preparation." > -- Arthur Ashe > > *************************************************** ===== I dreamt tomorrow had a prettier face... Let the angels grace the land, for I have held you in my hand. And right there for a minute, I knew you so well Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:42:40 -0500 From: angie Subject: Poe Interview Today- www.p-o-e.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 14:50:32 -0500 From: "Rusty Shelby" Subject: POE AOL IM buddy icon i believe someone asked where they could get the POE AOL IM buddy icon. here you go: http://aim.wmg.com/ - -rusty the website: www.rustyshelby.cjb.net the email: agentorange2@mindspring.com | rusty@poe.org ***************************************************************************** ********************************* JEWEL: new album, "This Way", 11.13.01 | first single: "Standing Still" | www.jeweljk.com ***************************************************************************** ********************************* POE: "Haunted" the album, featuring the hit "Hey Pretty" & the new single "Wild". ON TOUR November & December 2001 : : www.p-o-e.com send a "Wild" card : www.p-o-e.com/poecard2.html ***************************************************************************** ********************************* 484 Music * 484 Flat Shoals Ave. * Atlanta, GA 30316 * 404 522 4100 * www.484music.com ***************************************************************************** ********************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:25:29 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Todays Poe Interview Information http://www.merge933.net/ 11/26/01 POE RADIO INTERVIEW with DJ Keith >>> KKMR--Merge 93.3FM Dallas-Fort Worth 4PM (Just click to Listen!) http://www.merge933.net/ Merge Request Line (214)787-1933 n j0y sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:40:43 -0500 From: angie Subject: In Writing Please: There are currently no permissions granted to use Poe's image, name, likeness, music, photographs, live tapings/recordings on flyers, shirts, websites, and so forth, privately or publicly accessible. To state simply that "Poe said" will not hold. If you received a communication from an AP giving such permission, it is false. Protect yourself, such matters require proof in writing. The word "official" may not be used. The Angry Psychos is not the official fan club / fanbase and cannot be promoted as such. Avoid this word please. If you would care to submit a written request or proposal, you may do so, in writing only: MWW 4104 24th St, #524 San Francisco, CA 94114-3615 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:56:51 -0800 From: "AT" Subject: ruh roh *sigh* AT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:16:40 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: In Writing Please: OK for those of you who thought I was just trying to be a DICK when I raised the issue about wether the T-shirt history was about history or LAW, any; more questions? luv sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Official Chat Site of Angry-Psychos e-maill list if it NOT the "Official" chat site of the Angry-Psychos e-mail list, somone please advise me where the "Official" chat site of the Angry-Psychos e-mail list is. So nice to see that we are all striving for Peace On Earth. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "angie" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:40 PM Subject: In Writing Please: > > There are currently no permissions granted to use Poe's image, name, > likeness, music, photographs, live tapings/recordings on flyers, shirts, > > websites, and so forth, privately or publicly accessible. To state > simply that "Poe said" will not hold. If you received a communication > from an AP giving such permission, it is false. Protect yourself, such > matters require proof in writing. > The word "official" may not be used. The Angry Psychos is not the > official fan club / fanbase and cannot be promoted as such. Avoid this > word please. > > If you would care to submit a written request or proposal, you may do > so, in writing only: > > MWW > 4104 24th St, #524 > San Francisco, CA 94114-3615 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 22:45:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: Re: In Writing Please: > The word "official" may not be used. The Angry Psychos is not the > official fan club / fanbase and cannot be promoted as such. Avoid this > word please. *** Ed... Dig up the tape. POE - the femail artist in question has stated just the opposite. We have been through this. *************************************************** JK/// Jarrod Kniff *************************************************** "One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preparation." -- Arthur Ashe *************************************************** On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, angie wrote: > > There are currently no permissions granted to use Poe's image, name, > likeness, music, photographs, live tapings/recordings on flyers, shirts, > > websites, and so forth, privately or publicly accessible. To state > simply that "Poe said" will not hold. If you received a communication > from an AP giving such permission, it is false. Protect yourself, such > matters require proof in writing. > The word "official" may not be used. The Angry Psychos is not the > official fan club / fanbase and cannot be promoted as such. Avoid this > word please. > > If you would care to submit a written request or proposal, you may do > so, in writing only: > > MWW > 4104 24th St, #524 > San Francisco, CA 94114-3615 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 16:35:01 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: In Writing Please: - ----- Original Message ----- From: "angie" To: Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 3:40 PM Subject: In Writing Please: . The Angry Psychos is not the > official fan club / fanbase and cannot be promoted as such. Avoid this > word please. Angry-Psychos, The: Oldest fan club / fanbase for singer Poe on OR off the internet. Original fan club / fanbase for singer Poe on AND off the internet Home to the OFFICIAL chat of Angry-Psychos, the Original and Oldest fan club / fanbase for the singer Poe. if it ain't "Official" please, let us all describe what it is.... sp00k etc ... Http://Poe.Org Official Chat Zone Of Angry-Psychos . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:40:09 -0800 From: "Michael Allison" Subject: Re: In Writing Please: Is there any way we'd be able to MAKE it official? - -Michael http://smileyllama.20m.com/poe/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:04:42 EST From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: In Writing Please: I know it is going to be hard, but I am requesting that everyone chill on this as much as is possible for a couple days. Angie: Patrick Pocklington, representing Nettwerk Management, is Poe's manager. We have and we will continue to submit all written requests to him or his representative. You are Poe's publicist. You are not her manager, nor are you management. Do you represent Nettwerk Management? Angie: Paul Fishkin, with FEI, is Poe's label. Any permissions that need to come from the label will be routed to him. Paul has confirmed that you in no way represent him. Angie: Atlantic has announced their intention to drop their distribution contract with Poe. As of last week nothing was in writing, so the contract technically remains in force. It is possible you are writing on behalf of Atlantic, but you refer to the address of momentumworldwire. We reject this warning as an official warning from Atlantic, unless you care to qualify that you are writing it as their official representative. And even then you are not in any form of management at Atlantic, so we are reasonable in our rejection. Since you request that we sent written proposals in the name of momentumworldwire, would you care to list your point of authority at making this demand. What is your legal standing to do so? Are you assuming a management role or are do you have Power of Attorney to contramand the specific audio and videotaped permissions that we have on file? We assume that you are only referring to future images as some permissions were received from previous management representatives, i.e., Jeff Schock (Poe's manager before Nettwerk Management was contracted. For the Angry Psychos, give me 48 hours to resolve this. Paul is checking on it now. Personally Angie is behaving no differently then any other Internet "troll".(Note: I am using the word "troll" in the Internet sense, not as a bashing) She was recently exposed as fabricating stories designed to terrify Poe over certain members of the Angry Psychos, and even to cause a rift between Poe and us. It is my feeling that she placed this letter as bait to show Poe that we are "still" bashing Angie. Let's not give her the material. I have talked to an attorney and we are in good standing if this gets to that level as long as our websites are private and we are not selling copywrited material for profit. ========Original Message======== Subj: In Writing Please: Date: 11/26/2001 12:43:51 PM Pacific Standard Time From: angie@momentumworldwire.com To: Angry-Psychos@smoe.org Sent from the Internet (Details) There are currently no permissions granted to use Poe's image, name, likeness, music, photographs, live tapings/recordings on flyers, shirts, websites, and so forth, privately or publicly accessible. To state simply that "Poe said" will not hold. If you received a communication from an AP giving such permission, it is false. Protect yourself, such matters require proof in writing. The word "official" may not be used. The Angry Psychos is not the official fan club / fanbase and cannot be promoted as such. Avoid this word please. If you would care to submit a written request or proposal, you may do so, in writing only: MWW 4104 24th St, #524 San Francisco, CA 94114-3615 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:50:54 EST From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: In Writing Please: A reminder Author Topic: Not to Be Antagonistic My_Belle Psycho Member # 730 Member Rated: posted 09-06-2001 12:34 AM I'm not trying to make anyone angry or be antagonistic, I'm just curious. What's POE's position on all this "unlicensed" merchandise/sound files/etc. that seems to be floating around? Not that I object, I was just wondering what the history is here. Please don't hurt me. Posts: 31 | From: Dallas, TX | Registered: Sep 2001 | IP: Logged protool Psycho Member # 644 Member Rated: posted 09-06-2001 01:52 AM She's close to her fans-- This website is her "official" website, but the fans have created websites that she is incredibly fond of, some of which have been up well over four years. That's why we made a special forum in the message board showing appreciation. Merchandise: the fans get PERMISSION to use her image for www.psychothreads.com. The fans have really schooled themselves in how to go about this and other ventures, & come from all walks of life. They are incredible business minds more often than not, and always have Poe's back. She's got theirs. You might be surprised the channels they've gone through to get permission to film an event, and then the rules they must abide by thereafter.This would be a good time to shed light on the word FAN. Fan stems from fanatical....but you are real, have a life, are interesting and unique....nobody is just a FAN in the Psycho Ward. It's all about the love....... [This message has been edited by protool (edited 09-06-2001).] Posts: 364 | From: LA, CA, USA. | Registered: Aug 2001 | IP: Logged ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: In Writing Please: Date: 11/26/2001 2:06:42 PM Pacific Standard Time From: Dan98908@aol.com To: angie@momentumworldwire.com, angry-psychos@smoe.org Sent from the Internet (Details) I know it is going to be hard, but I am requesting that everyone chill on this as much as is possible for a couple days. Angie: Patrick Pocklington, representing Nettwerk Management, is Poe's manager. We have and we will continue to submit all written requests to him or his representative. You are Poe's publicist. You are not her manager, nor are you management. Do you represent Nettwerk Management? Angie: Paul Fishkin, with FEI, is Poe's label. Any permissions that need to come from the label will be routed to him. Paul has confirmed that you in no way represent him. Angie: Atlantic has announced their intention to drop their distribution contract with Poe. As of last week nothing was in writing, so the contract technically remains in force. It is possible you are writing on behalf of Atlantic, but you refer to the address of momentumworldwire. We reject this warning as an official warning from Atlantic, unless you care to qualify that you are writing it as their official representative. And even then you are not in any form of management at Atlantic, so we are reasonable in our rejection. Since you request that we sent written proposals in the name of momentumworldwire, would you care to list your point of authority at making this demand. What is your legal standing to do so? Are you assuming a management role or are do you have Power of Attorney to contramand the specific audio and videotaped permissions that we have on file? We assume that you are only referring to future images as some permissions were received from previous management representatives, i.e., Jeff Schock (Poe's manager before Nettwerk Management was contracted. For the Angry Psychos, give me 48 hours to resolve this. Paul is checking on it now. Personally Angie is behaving no differently then any other Internet "troll".(Note: I am using the word "troll" in the Internet sense, not as a bashing) She was recently exposed as fabricating stories designed to terrify Poe over certain members of the Angry Psychos, and even to cause a rift between Poe and us. It is my feeling that she placed this letter as bait to show Poe that we are "still" bashing Angie. Let's not give her the material. I have talked to an attorney and we are in good standing if this gets to that level as long as our websites are private and we are not selling copywrited material for profit. ========Original Message======== Subj: In Writing Please: Date: 11/26/2001 12:43:51 PM Pacific Standard Time From: angie@momentumworldwire.com To: Angry-Psychos@smoe.org Sent from the Internet (Details) There are currently no permissions granted to use Poe's image, name, likeness, music, photographs, live tapings/recordings on flyers, shirts, websites, and so forth, privately or publicly accessible. To state simply that "Poe said" will not hold. If you received a communication from an AP giving such permission, it is false. Protect yourself, such matters require proof in writing. The word "official" may not be used. The Angry Psychos is not the official fan club / fanbase and cannot be promoted as such. Avoid this word please. If you would care to submit a written request or proposal, you may do so, in writing only: MWW 4104 24th St, #524 San Francisco, CA 94114-3615 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:35:37 -0500 From: russ marshalek Subject: um. ok. i usually don't talk. ever. but i'd like to speak up. those of you who were at the atlanta show LAST year..the borders tour..met me. i'm russ. the raver kid. those of you who were at the atlanta show on the 19th of this month at the cotton club saw myself. and my photographer. i'm the editor for JIVE magazine, located at www.jivemagazine.com. and right now i'm not speaking as that person. i'm speaking as russ, angry psycho since 1996. i contacted momentumworldwire when i learned poe was coming in hopes of covering her show for my magazine. we cover the electronic music scene in the southeast, and the long conversations poe and i had while she was doing the borders thing proved what i'd long thought- she loves dance music, and has massive dance sensibility. the album "haunted" in and of itself borrows HUGELY from the world of EDM [electronic dance music]. anyone remember a little kickass dude named cody? yeah. thought so. anyway. so i contacted momentumworldwire in hopes of gaining press comps for myself and my photographer for the show, and an interview w/ poe so that we could discuss electronic music and how it relates to her, so that i could do a huge article on her for the mag. our magazine is quite big for its kind, we've gotten international attention from magazines such as URB and DVOX. we're not small potatoes. the results were hectic but accomplished. i really never had any idea what was going on until the day OF the show. in my business, that's not how it works. i know what's going on w/ artists such as Parks and Wilson and Sandra Collins days, if not weeks in advance. and i almost got my ass kicked by poe's manager, whateverhisnameisnow, at the show, trying to convince him A) of my authenticity, B) that i had spoken to PAUL and been assured of an interview, and C) that i NEEDED the interview otherwise the press comps and photos would be useless to me. he told me paul has no control over anything. i contacted nettwerk. nothing. i have not gotten an interview. no one, anywhere, will contact me in regards to it. and now, according to this latest release, the photos that my photographer, who, incidentally has worked for many, many magazines and publications, took, no longer belong to JIVE or can be used on JIVE? something is not right. POE, as an artist, is being ABSOLUTELY artistically mis-represented in some way. and i'm not talking about secluding her from her fan base. i'm talking about just making her available to the press. maybe this is just MY experience, but i have email documentation to back up the lengths i've gone to. we at JIVE want to give poe front page coverage. right now all i have is a review of the concert and a handful of amazing photos which are, apparently, bootleg and illegal. i am now interested in where this whole thing goes. - -russ - -- Russ Marshalek JIVE Magazine Editor www.jivemagazine.com russ@jivemagazine.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:45:05 -0500 From: russ marshalek Subject: some more about UM all right. i got a call from nettwerk and i have some stuff i'd like to clarify, since apparently people were listening when i raised my voice. if this can get forwarded to the appropriate people i'd love it. apparently wires got crossed somewhere when i, as JIVE, requested my interview. and i do realize that craig was doing his job when he prohibited me from being at all in contact w/ POE at the show. and yes, nettwerk did provide me w/ my press comps and photo pass at the show. my concerns were thus: 1): with angie's declaration, i was worried these photos taken by JIVE were no longer ours. i have been assured that is NOT the case. i don't know what the status is on any other photos, but i know the ones we took are ours. watch for them on the site as soon as i can get an interview. which brings me to... 2): the interview. as i've stated, this stuff...all the work the folks at nettwerk did to get myself and my photographer into the show...is for nothing without the interview to use in an article to slant the coverage for our audience, which, i feel is an audience that would be VERY receptive of poe. she wouldn't be the first artist to take off once the focus of promotion changed. i have been assured something will be done regarding this. as such, i am going to chill, sit back and wait and see what comes. i have no desire to get anyone's lawyers out, no need. if worst comes to worst we have some awesome pictures of a kick-ass concert. and i trust nettwerk until i have reason not to. i've just been a little frustrated with this, that's all. i don't know if i'm being recognized as a part of the press...but i think i am, and i'll match respect with respect. we will see what happens. - -russ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 17:08:00 -0800 From: "AT" Subject: Jesus and his Lawyer are coming back Oh my darling , will you be here.... Why does New Jersey have so many landfills and california so many lawyers? New Jersey got first pick Whats the difference between a lawyer and a catfish? One is a slimy scumsucking scavenger , and the other is just a fish. How many lawyer jokes are there? Three . The rest are all true stories enough plagarism ....etc ....etc....Angry Terry Official cranky longhaired rightwing reactionary of the Angry - psychos mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:37:53 EST From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: some more about UM Hello fragments1@mindspring.com, In reference to your comment: h all right. i got a call from nettwerk and i have some h stuff i'd like to clarify, since apparently people were h listening when i raised my voice. if this can get h forwarded to the appropriate people i'd love it. I will forward this to Patrick and Paul, as I did with the previous one. Thanks for the clarification. I think that we all know that Nettwerk will be VERY good for Poe and already has been! They came in with VERY short notice, just as a major stadium tour was about to begin ( they have only been with Poe since THIS May!)... NOT a good way to transition, but they made the best of it! Even our buddy Craig is getting more GOOD reports about how he is trying to work with us then the stream of bad that used to be posted. I think that we are ALL trying to get along and I think we are accomplishing that! It pleases me that Nettwerk got back to you as quickly as they did! You ARE a part of the press, and your magazine has influence. Sure it is no Rolling Stone, but that is more a compliment then a slam anymore! I don't know what the intent of that post was this afternoon, unless it was an attempt to START Angie bashing again and get Poe upset again, but it will not work! We support Poe and will continue to do so long after Angie has moved on. The important thing is that FEI and Nettwerk and even Atlantic have all confirmed this afternoon that Angie was NOT speaking for THEM when she denied our status as the "official" fan club for Poe! FEI has also said that he will be talking to Nettwerk and try to get something in writing for us so this question can never come up again! ========Original Message======== Subj: some more about UM Date: 11/26/2001 4:45:32 PM Pacific Standard Time From: fragments1@mindspring.com To: Dan98908@aol.com, angry-psychos@smoe.org Sent from the Internet (Details) all right. i got a call from nettwerk and i have some stuff i'd like to clarify, since apparently people were listening when i raised my voice. if this can get forwarded to the appropriate people i'd love it. apparently wires got crossed somewhere when i, as JIVE, requested my interview. and i do realize that craig was doing his job when he prohibited me from being at all in contact w/ POE at the show. and yes, nettwerk did provide me w/ my press comps and photo pass at the show. my concerns were thus: 1): with angie's declaration, i was worried these photos taken by JIVE were no longer ours. i have been assured that is NOT the case. i don't know what the status is on any other photos, but i know the ones we took are ours. watch for them on the site as soon as i can get an interview. which brings me to... 2): the interview. as i've stated, this stuff...all the work the folks at nettwerk did to get myself and my photographer into the show...is for nothing without the interview to use in an article to slant the coverage for our audience, which, i feel is an audience that would be VERY receptive of poe. she wouldn't be the first artist to take off once the focus of promotion changed. i have been assured something will be done regarding this. as such, i am going to chill, sit back and wait and see what comes. i have no desire to get anyone's lawyers out, no need. if worst comes to worst we have some awesome pictures of a kick-ass concert. and i trust nettwerk until i have reason not to. i've just been a little frustrated with this, that's all. i don't know if i'm being recognized as a part of the press...but i think i am, and i'll match respect with respect. we will see what happens. - -russ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 20:44:56 EST From: BUDave18@aol.com Subject: Re: some more about UM In a message dated 11/27/01 9:39:18 AM, Dan98908@aol.com writes: << The important thing is that FEI and Nettwerk and even Atlantic have all confirmed this afternoon that Angie was NOT speaking for THEM when she denied our status as the "official" fan club for Poe >> Man, we really band together and work shite out when we really need to -- take that anti-AP sentiments! :) As stated, since we all know the common thoughts about angie and whats REALLY going on here (from what we can tell thus far), let's focus on the positivity - -- screw little comments by certain people, let's not let it get to us -- we're starting to know whats true and whats not, so let's go for it, eh? no more angie-bashing, i think we're all thinking certain same thoughts in our heads -- no use writing or posting it, rite? anyways, for once, we're all like -- slowly banding together -- anyways off to hospital-- surgery sucks peace, seb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:16:45 EST From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: about permission from Poe and junk I yelled at Mark/emeraldbay not to use a Poe ball logo on his Toronto AP shirt. I yelled at Julie/pieceofpie over and over about little things not to use on her AP shirts. The Poe ball logo again, the lyrics, not using pics without the photographer's permission (but didn't say anything about Poe's permission), whatever. I yelled at TonyC for including a Leno still on his AP flyer. The rest of the images used were from promotional material and an AP who had given his consent. It's quite different to actually hear it from Poe's camp than me just bitching about it. But this is not the first time Poe has asked to veto something...after the second AP tape tree she asked to approve all future ones, and for one of Mike's/LivThMdns's shirts she didn't like a picture used and asked him to change it. But as Dan has said...don't rant here, wait for a lawyer. If you really want to keep a grassroots feel why the heck are you gonna ask for permission for stuff? ::P That's why sites like poe.org back in 97 and polishchick.com more recently can never be "official" sites, as much as we like. There's simply no way to keep all the good stuff, especially multimedia, and keep it legal. Anyway, it has been stated that AP Inc. was created so that we can get these official permission thingees for distribution in a nice calm manner. So give it time and some dead trees. Please don't make us look bad on a gut reaction. - --Michele http://www.shellE.org/ Home of PsYcHovixen, Poe documents (including the Poe discography), Garbage and Poe trading, eXej, 12 Rounds, Mono, and Exploration Z: A Haunted House Of Leaves Alternate Universe (Meantime keep making your bootleg shit til they give you legal notice...I still recommend you don't use Poe logos, images or lyrics on them though...nobody ever said APs are the official fan club...except for that POE person until p-o-e.com was created...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:29:53 -0800 From: "Molly B" Subject: [none] Hi all, I just got this email account back after losing it so I have not heard the latest scoop. Anything exciting going on surrounding the San Francisco show at Bimbo's? I can't wait!!!!!! Please let me know :) Thanks, Molly _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #531 ***********************************