From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #527 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Saturday, November 24 2001 Volume 06 : Number 527 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: harry potter wants my kids?--some things I forgot [LotteP0T0@aol.com] Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. [bash ] Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. [Saskia Corona ] Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. ["John A. Bell" ] Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. ["John A. Bell" ] Re: Harry Potter, ect. ["John A. Bell" ] Re: Harry Potter, ect. [bash ] Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. ["John A. Bell" ] Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. ["kelli helbig" ] Re: Fw: harry potter wants my kids? [bash ] Re: Fw: NPR harry potter wants my kids? [JaunasAddiccion@aol.com] Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. [bash ] Re: Harry Potter, ect. [JaunasAddiccion@aol.com] Re: Fw: NPR harry potter wants my kids? ["John A. Bell" .you can't just be a teacher and decide to read a book with your class on a whim. I wonder if teachers even read the books before giving them to students.<< Okay...sorry, but that was an ignorant remark--I rarely come straight out and say that, but it was. Of course the teachers read them first--any teacher worth a penny is going to read something before they hand it over to their kids--you have to think...the teachers also have to come up with a lesson plan regarding the books they give their students--how are you going to do that one if you haven't read it *multiple* times? My Script Analysis teacher from last semester re-reads every play she gives us to analyse each time she assigns it--to keep it fresh with her--even if she's already read it literally 20 times. Like I said last night, at my college Children's Literature is a required course for education majors (I have a lot of friends that are education majors), and this year a lot of the Children's Lit classes have started requiring that the first Harry Potter book be read by their students. I know people who thought the books were stupid and didn't want to read them for class (because they hadn't even tried reading them before, either), and now they're on the third or fourth books already. I understand if a person reads it and doesn't like it--I wouldn't have liked it before seventh or eighth grade--because I just didn't get into those types of stories until I was older, but just flat out not giving it the chance? I think that's sad. >>...should ALL of my school be allowed to leave early and go see it? Should we take a field trip to the movies? Because, if you think about it, it's the same thing.<< My schools throughout the years have taken field trips to see movies LOTS of times--why not? *shrugs* My one friend's office actually took a work field trip to see it the morning it opened...lol Now *that* I found amusing. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 09:20:46 -0800 From: bash Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. LiveThruThisVow@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 11/24/01 1:09:23 AM Central Standard Time, > bashful7@earthlink.net writes: > > > Such a big boy. So proud of your narrow mindedness, eh? > > > > Good riddance, I say... > > > > I have a really bad memory, but from what I remember this person seems to > be open minded in the post I've read of his. I'm not taking sides, but he > never actually *bashed* anyone in the posts regarding Harry Potter so far. He > was simply pointing out that even though some parents get ridiculous about > Harry Potter they will raise their kids however they feel right (besides, > everybody knows that those kids will be hiding under the cover reading J.K. > Rowling at night, I let kids I babysit read it who are forbidden to). I'm > just saying this to avoid a nasty flame war which has already seemed to taken > place. I wish we could have a discussion every once in awhile that had > FRIENDLY agreements/disagreements. Y'know, I don't have any trouble with that. What I didn't like was being told to stop sharing my opinion. We never got to discuss the reasons why reasonable parents may choose not to allow their kids to read Harry. The sermon was inflammatory, and I found it ridiculous and paranoid. But I can completely relate to parents who think Harry's wrong for their kids - - NOT because he's the devil incarnate - ridiculous - but because there are scary themes and a decent helping of death and violence in the books. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Bell's reasons were along those lines, but we never got there, because I was labeled a basher and told to stop, and that's just not the way to start a real discussion with a fiery redhead! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 09:48:28 -0800 (PST) From: Saskia Corona Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. I don't think everyone wants you to shut up. I care what you think or say , because I have an instinct to get to the bottom of why this conversation is going the way it is. I could be wrong but it seems to me like you have some opinions and you want to be heard. > Anyways. Sorry to add fuel to the fire. Maybe I should shut up, since that's > what everyone wants me to do, anyways. > > As bash said, who cares what I think or say? ______________________________________________________________________________ Send a friend your Buddy Card and stay in contact always with Excite Messenger http://messenger.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:13:40 -0500 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. I tried that. Didn't work. But thanks. :) - -jb - ------- Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood 'Blog you, too, pal! http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 10:39 AM Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. > > In a message dated 11/24/01 1:09:23 AM Central Standard Time, > bashful7@earthlink.net writes: > > > > Such a big boy. So proud of your narrow mindedness, eh? > > > > Good riddance, I say... > > > > I have a really bad memory, but from what I remember this person seems to > be open minded in the post I've read of his. I'm not taking sides, but he > never actually *bashed* anyone in the posts regarding Harry Potter so far. He > was simply pointing out that even though some parents get ridiculous about > Harry Potter they will raise their kids however they feel right (besides, > everybody knows that those kids will be hiding under the cover reading J.K. > Rowling at night, I let kids I babysit read it who are forbidden to). I'm > just saying this to avoid a nasty flame war which has already seemed to taken > place. I wish we could have a discussion every once in awhile that had > FRIENDLY agreements/disagreements. > Peace :) MeLissA > ~*~There is something mysterious, almost inexplicable, about the idea of > strangers coming together to sit in the dark, in silence or in laughter, > responding to a filmmaker's work. It's a sensual and a cerebral > experience...~Harmony Korine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:11:37 -0600 From: "Russell Gillett" Subject: Re: Harry Potter, ect. I've been reading the posts on this thread & I look at it like this: We're at war, there's cases of Anthrax all around the country and yet these people aren't happy unless they have something to complain about. Why can't these people go out & do something positive instead of complaining about some books & a movie? Out of all the things children could be doing, reading a book is NOT the worst thing in the world. Besides, it's a work of FANTASY, PEOPLE! Russell Gillett aka Galen Starlion Angry Psycho since 1996 "The more things change, the more they stay the same" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:20:35 -0500 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. I never asked anyone to stop voicing their opinion... I asked for the hate-talk to stop. - -jb - ------- Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood 'Blog you, too, pal! http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 - ----- Original Message ----- From: bash To: poe Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:05 PM Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. > > What ticked me off was being told to STOP voicing my opinion, and my > right to do so what what I was arguing about. I don't care who agrees > and who doesn't with my original opinion about the sermon. > > JaunasAddiccion@aol.com wrote: > > > > My take on life: > > Voicing your opinion doesn't mean you have to convince someone else that you're right, it usually just means there is something on yourmind that you'd like to talk about. > > If you are voicing an opinion solely to convince someone else that you're right, then you aren't actually voicing an opinion as you are attempting to persuade someone that you're right. it is also referred to as 'forcing your opinion on someone' which is what i think Jeff was trying to get across, but I could be wrong...wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last (hopefully). > > ---dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:22:54 -0800 From: bash Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. "John A. Bell" wrote: > > I never asked anyone to stop voicing their opinion... I asked for the > hate-talk to stop. > I wasn't talking hate, I was voicing my opinion. You just didn't like it. That's life, innit? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:28:25 -0500 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. Here, see the amusing thing about all this is that I just went back and checked all the messages I sent and recived on the HP threads, and I discovered that I never even addressed anything to anyone specific about stopping anything! I simply asked the list to stop Christian Bashing. Because bashing people for any reason is just plain silly. So I wonder if someone can produce the message where I asked for bash to stop talking... I'd like to see it. Thanks. - -jb - ----------- Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood 'Blog you, too, pal! http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 - ----- Original Message ----- From: bash To: poe Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:20 PM Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. > > LiveThruThisVow@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 11/24/01 1:09:23 AM Central Standard Time, > > bashful7@earthlink.net writes: > > > > > Such a big boy. So proud of your narrow mindedness, eh? > > > > > > Good riddance, I say... > > > > > > > I have a really bad memory, but from what I remember this person seems to > > be open minded in the post I've read of his. I'm not taking sides, but he > > never actually *bashed* anyone in the posts regarding Harry Potter so far. He > > was simply pointing out that even though some parents get ridiculous about > > Harry Potter they will raise their kids however they feel right (besides, > > everybody knows that those kids will be hiding under the cover reading J.K. > > Rowling at night, I let kids I babysit read it who are forbidden to). I'm > > just saying this to avoid a nasty flame war which has already seemed to taken > > place. I wish we could have a discussion every once in awhile that had > > FRIENDLY agreements/disagreements. > > Y'know, I don't have any trouble with that. What I didn't like was being > told to stop sharing my opinion. We never got to discuss the reasons why > reasonable parents may choose not to allow their kids to read Harry. The > sermon was inflammatory, and I found it ridiculous and paranoid. But I > can completely relate to parents who think Harry's wrong for their kids > - NOT because he's the devil incarnate - ridiculous - but because there > are scary themes and a decent helping of death and violence in the > books. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Bell's reasons were along those > lines, but we never got there, because I was labeled a basher and told > to stop, and that's just not the way to start a real discussion with a > fiery redhead! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:23:25 EST From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. I know exactly what you mean. Luckily my parents let me make my own decisions but they know where to draw the line. There are just some people in the world that want anything to complain about, and Harry Potter is perfect for them to complain about because it "supports" witchcraft. So what? It teaches good over evil, and you don't see Wiccans leaving the room when Dante's Inferno is read :) ~*~There is something mysterious, almost inexplicable, about the idea of strangers coming together to sit in the dark, in silence or in laughter, responding to a filmmaker's work. It's a sensual and a cerebral experience...~Harmony Korine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:31:34 -0500 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. My opinion was simply that people shouldn't publicly ridicule someone's point of view by bashing their whole faith. And I voiced it. And got some more ridiculing. S'all good. I've been physically abused for believeing something before, so this is nothing. - -jb - ----------- Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood 'Blog you, too, pal! http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Saskia Corona To: John A. Bell ; ; Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:48 PM Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. > I don't think everyone wants you to shut up. I care what you think or say , > because I have an instinct to get to the bottom of why this conversation is > going the way it is. I could be wrong but it seems to me like you have some > opinions and you want to be heard. > > > Anyways. Sorry to add fuel to the fire. Maybe I should shut up, since > that's > > what everyone wants me to do, anyways. > > > > As bash said, who cares what I think or say? > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ __ > Send a friend your Buddy Card and stay in contact always with Excite Messenger > http://messenger.excite.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:27:31 -0800 From: bash Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. You decided my opinion was bashing, and told me to stop. More than once. Can't sneak out of it now. "John A. Bell" wrote: > > Here, see the amusing thing about all this is that I just went back and > checked all the messages I sent and recived on the HP threads, and I > discovered that I never even addressed anything to anyone specific about > stopping anything! I simply asked the list to stop Christian Bashing. > Because bashing people for any reason is just plain silly. > > So I wonder if someone can produce the message where I asked for bash to > stop talking... I'd like to see it. Thanks. > > -jb > ----------- > Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board > http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood > > 'Blog you, too, pal! > http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bash > To: poe > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. > > > > > LiveThruThisVow@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 11/24/01 1:09:23 AM Central Standard Time, > > > bashful7@earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > Such a big boy. So proud of your narrow mindedness, eh? > > > > > > > > Good riddance, I say... > > > > > > > > > > I have a really bad memory, but from what I remember this person > seems to > > > be open minded in the post I've read of his. I'm not taking sides, but > he > > > never actually *bashed* anyone in the posts regarding Harry Potter so > far. He > > > was simply pointing out that even though some parents get ridiculous > about > > > Harry Potter they will raise their kids however they feel right > (besides, > > > everybody knows that those kids will be hiding under the cover reading > J.K. > > > Rowling at night, I let kids I babysit read it who are forbidden to). > I'm > > > just saying this to avoid a nasty flame war which has already seemed to > taken > > > place. I wish we could have a discussion every once in awhile that had > > > FRIENDLY agreements/disagreements. > > > > Y'know, I don't have any trouble with that. What I didn't like was being > > told to stop sharing my opinion. We never got to discuss the reasons why > > reasonable parents may choose not to allow their kids to read Harry. The > > sermon was inflammatory, and I found it ridiculous and paranoid. But I > > can completely relate to parents who think Harry's wrong for their kids > > - NOT because he's the devil incarnate - ridiculous - but because there > > are scary themes and a decent helping of death and violence in the > > books. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Bell's reasons were along those > > lines, but we never got there, because I was labeled a basher and told > > to stop, and that's just not the way to start a real discussion with a > > fiery redhead! - -- Bash - ---------------- Plush fan? See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plush_Room Poe Fan? Live in NorCal? Visit: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BayAreaPoe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:32:33 -0500 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Re: Harry Potter, ect. "Yet *these people...*" *sigh* I go unheard once again. - -jb - ------- Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood 'Blog you, too, pal! http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Gillett To: Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Harry Potter, ect. > > I've been reading the posts on this thread & I look at it like this: > > We're at war, there's cases of Anthrax all around the country and yet these > people aren't happy unless they have something to complain about. Why can't > these people go out & do something positive instead of complaining about some > books & a movie? Out of all the things children could be doing, reading a book > is NOT the worst thing in the world. Besides, it's a work of FANTASY, PEOPLE! > > Russell Gillett aka Galen Starlion > Angry Psycho since 1996 > > "The more things change, the more they stay the same" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:31:40 -0800 From: bash Subject: Re: Harry Potter, ect. Maybe its because some folks just don't care for fundamentalist Christian views. You're likely to be ignored in some quarters if you support extremism. Get used to it? "John A. Bell" wrote: > > "Yet *these people...*" > > *sigh* > > I go unheard once again. > > -jb > ------- > Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board > http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood > > 'Blog you, too, pal! > http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Russell Gillett > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: Harry Potter, ect. > > > > > I've been reading the posts on this thread & I look at it like this: > > > > We're at war, there's cases of Anthrax all around the country and yet > these > > people aren't happy unless they have something to complain about. Why > can't > > these people go out & do something positive instead of complaining about > some > > books & a movie? Out of all the things children could be doing, reading a > book > > is NOT the worst thing in the world. Besides, it's a work of FANTASY, > PEOPLE! > > > > Russell Gillett aka Galen Starlion > > Angry Psycho since 1996 > > > > "The more things change, the more they stay the same" - -- Bash - ---------------- Plush fan? See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plush_Room Poe Fan? Live in NorCal? Visit: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BayAreaPoe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:36:58 -0500 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. Can you produce the message where I said that? Thanks. - -jb - --------- Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood 'Blog you, too, pal! http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 - ----- Original Message ----- From: bash To: poe Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. > > You decided my opinion was bashing, and told me to stop. More than once. > Can't sneak out of it now. > > "John A. Bell" wrote: > > > > Here, see the amusing thing about all this is that I just went back and > > checked all the messages I sent and recived on the HP threads, and I > > discovered that I never even addressed anything to anyone specific about > > stopping anything! I simply asked the list to stop Christian Bashing. > > Because bashing people for any reason is just plain silly. > > > > So I wonder if someone can produce the message where I asked for bash to > > stop talking... I'd like to see it. Thanks. > > > > -jb > > ----------- > > Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board > > http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood > > > > 'Blog you, too, pal! > > http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: bash > > To: poe > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:20 PM > > Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. > > > > > > > > LiveThruThisVow@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/24/01 1:09:23 AM Central Standard Time, > > > > bashful7@earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > Such a big boy. So proud of your narrow mindedness, eh? > > > > > > > > > > Good riddance, I say... > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a really bad memory, but from what I remember this person > > seems to > > > > be open minded in the post I've read of his. I'm not taking sides, but > > he > > > > never actually *bashed* anyone in the posts regarding Harry Potter so > > far. He > > > > was simply pointing out that even though some parents get ridiculous > > about > > > > Harry Potter they will raise their kids however they feel right > > (besides, > > > > everybody knows that those kids will be hiding under the cover reading > > J.K. > > > > Rowling at night, I let kids I babysit read it who are forbidden to). > > I'm > > > > just saying this to avoid a nasty flame war which has already seemed to > > taken > > > > place. I wish we could have a discussion every once in awhile that had > > > > FRIENDLY agreements/disagreements. > > > > > > Y'know, I don't have any trouble with that. What I didn't like was being > > > told to stop sharing my opinion. We never got to discuss the reasons why > > > reasonable parents may choose not to allow their kids to read Harry. The > > > sermon was inflammatory, and I found it ridiculous and paranoid. But I > > > can completely relate to parents who think Harry's wrong for their kids > > > - NOT because he's the devil incarnate - ridiculous - but because there > > > are scary themes and a decent helping of death and violence in the > > > books. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Bell's reasons were along those > > > lines, but we never got there, because I was labeled a basher and told > > > to stop, and that's just not the way to start a real discussion with a > > > fiery redhead! > > -- > Bash > ---------------- > Plush fan? See: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plush_Room > > Poe Fan? Live in NorCal? Visit: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BayAreaPoe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:40:16 -0500 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Fw: harry potter wants my kids? just so everyone can see, this is the post that I sent asking bash to stop talking. - -jb Forward Follows: - ---- Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood 'Blog you, too, pal! http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 - ----- Original Message ----- From: John A. Bell To: bash ; poe Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 2:03 AM Subject: Re: harry potter wants my kids? > Oh gosh, here we go. Christian bashing. > > EVERYONE JOIN IN THE FUN. > > *sigh* > > -jb > ----- > Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board > http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood > > 'Blog you, too, pal! > http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bash > To: poe > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:56 AM > Subject: Re: harry potter wants my kids? > > > > > > TsukiFaerie@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > yes, but the what "my" church is saying is that you teach your children > what > > > YOU want them to know, and not what they need to learn. > *ANTI-CONFORMISTS. > > > yuch* if you shield them from things like magic, harry potter, fairy > > > tales...stuff like that, they won't know how to handle it, and some kids > may > > > have trouble distinguishing truth from fantasy. if taught from an early > age > > > what is "true" and what is fantasy, kid's won't have a problem knowing. > and > > > harry potter is, in fact, fantasy. the church is treating it as if it's > > > something real and dangerous. (to that, they would say, it is real, and > > > dangerous, because it's created by the devil.) shakes head. good > morals > > > aren't created by the devil, my friends. > > > > In the church's paranoia, they miss the central theme of the books - > > that the world has danger in it, but good should always be chosen over > > evil. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:37:06 -0500 From: "kelli helbig" Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. i got an idea..how about this: can you two quit the childish bickering back and forth? its pointless neither one of you is going to give in so shut up and quit talking to each other because we're quite frankly sick of it. so you dont have the same views. both of you get over it and dont talk to each other. >From: "John A. Bell" >To: "bash" , "poe" >Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. >Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:36:58 -0500 > > >Can you produce the message where I said that? > >Thanks. > >-jb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:39:32 -0800 From: bash Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. I don't keep messages after I've responded - I get too much mail to save it all. How many times did you write and say stop the hate? Stop the Christian bashing? In response to something I said? At least 2 or 3 times. Kinda hard not to interpret that as you giving a command. "John A. Bell" wrote: > > Can you produce the message where I said that? > > Thanks. > > -jb > > > > > You decided my opinion was bashing, and told me to stop. More than once. > > Can't sneak out of it now. > > > > "John A. Bell" wrote: > > > > > > Here, see the amusing thing about all this is that I just went back and > > > checked all the messages I sent and recived on the HP threads, and I > > > discovered that I never even addressed anything to anyone specific about > > > stopping anything! I simply asked the list to stop Christian Bashing. > > > Because bashing people for any reason is just plain silly. > > > > > > So I wonder if someone can produce the message where I asked for bash to > > > stop talking... I'd like to see it. Thanks. > > > > > > -jb > > > ----------- > > > Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board > > > http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood > > > > > > 'Blog you, too, pal! > > > http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: bash > > > To: poe > > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:20 PM > > > Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. > > > > > > > > > > > LiveThruThisVow@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/24/01 1:09:23 AM Central Standard Time, > > > > > bashful7@earthlink.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > > Such a big boy. So proud of your narrow mindedness, eh? > > > > > > > > > > > > Good riddance, I say... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a really bad memory, but from what I remember this person > > > seems to > > > > > be open minded in the post I've read of his. I'm not taking sides, > but > > > he > > > > > never actually *bashed* anyone in the posts regarding Harry Potter > so > > > far. He > > > > > was simply pointing out that even though some parents get ridiculous > > > about > > > > > Harry Potter they will raise their kids however they feel right > > > (besides, > > > > > everybody knows that those kids will be hiding under the cover > reading > > > J.K. > > > > > Rowling at night, I let kids I babysit read it who are forbidden > to). > > > I'm > > > > > just saying this to avoid a nasty flame war which has already seemed > to > > > taken > > > > > place. I wish we could have a discussion every once in awhile that > had > > > > > FRIENDLY agreements/disagreements. > > > > > > > > Y'know, I don't have any trouble with that. What I didn't like was > being > > > > told to stop sharing my opinion. We never got to discuss the reasons > why > > > > reasonable parents may choose not to allow their kids to read Harry. > The > > > > sermon was inflammatory, and I found it ridiculous and paranoid. But I > > > > can completely relate to parents who think Harry's wrong for their > kids > > > > - NOT because he's the devil incarnate - ridiculous - but because > there > > > > are scary themes and a decent helping of death and violence in the > > > > books. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Bell's reasons were along those > > > > lines, but we never got there, because I was labeled a basher and told > > > > to stop, and that's just not the way to start a real discussion with a > > > > fiery redhead! > > > > -- > > Bash > > ---------------- > > Plush fan? See: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plush_Room > > > > Poe Fan? Live in NorCal? Visit: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BayAreaPoe > > - -- Bash - ---------------- Plush fan? See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plush_Room Poe Fan? Live in NorCal? Visit: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BayAreaPoe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:40:27 -0800 From: bash Subject: Re: Fw: harry potter wants my kids? That was the first one. "John A. Bell" wrote: > > just so everyone can see, this is the post that I sent asking bash to stop > talking. > > -jb > > Forward Follows: > ---- > Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board > http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood > > 'Blog you, too, pal! > http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John A. Bell > To: bash ; poe > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 2:03 AM > Subject: Re: harry potter wants my kids? > > > Oh gosh, here we go. Christian bashing. > > > > EVERYONE JOIN IN THE FUN. > > > > *sigh* > > > > -jb > > ----- > > Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board > > http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood > > > > 'Blog you, too, pal! > > http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: bash > > To: poe > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:56 AM > > Subject: Re: harry potter wants my kids? > > > > > > > > > > TsukiFaerie@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > yes, but the what "my" church is saying is that you teach your > children > > what > > > > YOU want them to know, and not what they need to learn. > > *ANTI-CONFORMISTS. > > > > yuch* if you shield them from things like magic, harry potter, fairy > > > > tales...stuff like that, they won't know how to handle it, and some > kids > > may > > > > have trouble distinguishing truth from fantasy. if taught from an > early > > age > > > > what is "true" and what is fantasy, kid's won't have a problem > knowing. > > and > > > > harry potter is, in fact, fantasy. the church is treating it as if > it's > > > > something real and dangerous. (to that, they would say, it is real, > and > > > > dangerous, because it's created by the devil.) shakes head. good > > morals > > > > aren't created by the devil, my friends. > > > > > > In the church's paranoia, they miss the central theme of the books - > > > that the world has danger in it, but good should always be chosen over > > > evil. - -- Bash - ---------------- Plush fan? See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plush_Room Poe Fan? Live in NorCal? Visit: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BayAreaPoe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:39:45 EST From: JaunasAddiccion@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: NPR harry potter wants my kids? Hey ya beat me to it by a matter of seconds...you didn't ask for it to stop though, you asked for more people to join in...i'm confused now. oh wait..that's sarcasm (i knew that already). - ---dan In a message dated Sat, 24 Nov 2001 1:35:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, "John A. Bell" writes: > > just so everyone can see, this is the post that I sent asking bash to stop > talking. > > -jb > > Forward Follows: > ---- > Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board > http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood > > 'Blog you, too, pal! > http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John A. Bell > To: bash ; poe > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 2:03 AM > Subject: Re: harry potter wants my kids? > > > > Oh gosh, here we go. Christian bashing. > > > > EVERYONE JOIN IN THE FUN. > > > > *sigh* > > > > -jb > > ----- > > Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board > > http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood > > > > 'Blog you, too, pal! > > http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: bash > > To: poe > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:56 AM > > Subject: Re: harry potter wants my kids? > > > > > > > > > > TsukiFaerie@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > yes, but the what "my" church is saying is that you teach your > children > > what > > > > YOU want them to know, and not what they need to learn. > > *ANTI-CONFORMISTS. > > > > yuch* if you shield them from things like magic, harry potter, fairy > > > > tales...stuff like that, they won't know how to handle it, and some > kids > > may > > > > have trouble distinguishing truth from fantasy. if taught from an > early > > age > > > > what is "true" and what is fantasy, kid's won't have a problem > knowing. > > and > > > > harry potter is, in fact, fantasy. the church is treating it as if > it's > > > > something real and dangerous. (to that, they would say, it is real, > and > > > > dangerous, because it's created by the devil.) shakes head. good > > morals > > > > aren't created by the devil, my friends. > > > > > > In the church's paranoia, they miss the central theme of the books - > > > that the world has danger in it, but good should always be chosen over > > > evil. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:40:54 -0800 From: bash Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. Got a delete key? kelli helbig wrote: > > i got an idea..how about this: > > can you two quit the childish bickering back and forth? its pointless > neither one of you is going to give in so shut up and quit talking to each > other because we're quite frankly sick of it. so you dont have the same > views. both of you get over it and dont talk to each other. > > >From: "John A. Bell" > >To: "bash" , "poe" > >Subject: Re: NPR: Harry Potter and the Anti-Church. > >Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:36:58 -0500 > > > > > >Can you produce the message where I said that? > > > >Thanks. > > > >-jb > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - -- Bash - ---------------- Plush fan? See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plush_Room Poe Fan? Live in NorCal? Visit: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BayAreaPoe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:40:54 EST From: JaunasAddiccion@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry Potter, ect. Did I miss something, or did someone just kick a dead horse Actually, it's not a horse, it's a one-trick pony. It takes more than one point to back an argument. I suggest that a new one is found since the old ones just DON'T SEEM TO HAVE WORKED. - ---dan In a message dated Sat, 24 Nov 2001 1:32:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, bash writes: > > Maybe its because some folks just don't care for fundamentalist > Christian views. You're likely to be ignored in some quarters if you > support extremism. Get used to it? > > "John A. Bell" wrote: > > > > "Yet *these people...*" > > > > *sigh* > > > > I go unheard once again. > > > > -jb > > ------- > > Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board > > http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood > > > > 'Blog you, too, pal! > > http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Russell Gillett > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:11 PM > > Subject: Re: Harry Potter, ect. > > > > > > > > I've been reading the posts on this thread & I look at it like this: > > > > > > We're at war, there's cases of Anthrax all around the country and yet > > these > > > people aren't happy unless they have something to complain about. Why > > can't > > > these people go out & do something positive instead of complaining about > > some > > > books & a movie? Out of all the things children could be doing, reading a > > book > > > is NOT the worst thing in the world. Besides, it's a work of FANTASY, > > PEOPLE! > > > > > > Russell Gillett aka Galen Starlion > > > Angry Psycho since 1996 > > > > > > "The more things change, the more they stay the same" > > -- > Bash > ---------------- > Plush fan? See: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plush_Room > > Poe Fan? Live in NorCal? Visit: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BayAreaPoe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:47:33 -0500 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Re: Fw: NPR harry potter wants my kids? Hee hee hee. :) - -jb - --------- Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood 'Blog you, too, pal! http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:39 PM Subject: Re: Fw: NPR harry potter wants my kids? > Hey ya beat me to it by a matter of seconds...you didn't ask for it to stop though, you asked for more people to join in...i'm confused now. oh wait..that's sarcasm (i knew that already). > ---dan > > In a message dated Sat, 24 Nov 2001 1:35:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, "John A. Bell" writes: > > > > > just so everyone can see, this is the post that I sent asking bash to stop > > talking. > > > > -jb > > > > Forward Follows: > > ---- > > Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board > > http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood > > > > 'Blog you, too, pal! > > http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John A. Bell > > To: bash ; poe > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 2:03 AM > > Subject: Re: harry potter wants my kids? > > > > > > > Oh gosh, here we go. Christian bashing. > > > > > > EVERYONE JOIN IN THE FUN. > > > > > > *sigh* > > > > > > -jb > > > ----- > > > Gomer Goes to Hollywood... Entertainment Message Board > > > http://pub37.ezboard.com/bgomergoestohollywood > > > > > > 'Blog you, too, pal! > > > http://www.livejournal.com/~gomer43 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: bash > > > To: poe > > > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 1:56 AM > > > Subject: Re: harry potter wants my kids? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TsukiFaerie@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > yes, but the what "my" church is saying is that you teach your > > children > > > what > > > > > YOU want them to know, and not what they need to learn. > > > *ANTI-CONFORMISTS. > > > > > yuch* if you shield them from things like magic, harry potter, fairy > > > > > tales...stuff like that, they won't know how to handle it, and some > > kids > > > may > > > > > have trouble distinguishing truth from fantasy. if taught from an > > early > > > age > > > > > what is "true" and what is fantasy, kid's won't have a problem > > knowing. > > > and > > > > > harry potter is, in fact, fantasy. the church is treating it as if > > it's > > > > > something real and dangerous. (to that, they would say, it is real, > > and > > > > > dangerous, because it's created by the devil.) shakes head. good > > > morals > > > > > aren't created by the devil, my friends. > > > > > > > > In the church's paranoia, they miss the central theme of the books - > > > > that the world has danger in it, but good should always be chosen over > > > > evil. ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #527 ***********************************