From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #499 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Wednesday, November 7 2001 Volume 06 : Number 499 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Poe, Craig, time, energy and balance [Miki Proud ] dallas show? ["kelli helbig" ] Re: Rethought Psychos hate Craig shirt [bash ] Okay everyone... let's just chill out 'n'yah. ["Rob Darke" ] M&G [JewlyaINAP@aol.com] M&G [JewlyaINAP@aol.com] Re: Okay everyone... let's just chill out 'n'yah. ["Rob Darke" ] Re: The F bomb....? ["sarah delgado" ] RE: $450 for a Poe demin Jacket!?!?!? AHHHHHH!!!! ["Patrick T." ] Re: Shattered Dreams [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: NPRThe F bomb....? ["Brian Brantley" ] Re: Making a statement at shows [Lok Tina ] Re: NPRThe F bomb....? ["mike brame" ] POE store- fine art? [Kate Harper ] Re: The F bomb....? [Miki Proud ] Re Miki's Poe pics [Spidersrcute2@aol.com] dilemma!! [Stephen Griffes ] POE in PHX [Cyberfan Corporation ] Re: Meeting Poe [Prozackitty16@aol.com] No offense to ANGIE...but...(AP Meets) [Prozackitty16@aol.com] Re: The F bomb....? [phauxpa ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 09:40:49 -0800 (PST) From: Miki Proud Subject: Re: Poe, Craig, time, energy and balance Preach on brotha! Poe is trying really hard to spend time with her fans, but there are other things that need to be done. She hung with a bunch of us for over an hour before the Denver show, and when she finally got dragged to soundcheck they didn't even have time to run over all the songs. I know everybody misses the days when Poe would swing by our houses and hang with us after shows, but she's gaining in popularity, and thus does not have the free time she used to. Just be happy that she does what she does. She's an amazing performer, and one of the nicest people I've ever met. I don't know where everyone's getting the idea that she doesn't care about us anymore, but it's not true. Poe adores us, and we really shouldn't jump to conclusions just because she's busy. - --- tohaveaplan@att.net wrote: > > The following is just my opinions and I will be > happy to > hear any other sides. Please no AP-bashing. > > > Ok is anyone else having issues with what is going > on > already with this tour? We can't take pictures? > Dan's > camera is taken away by Craig from Rachel because it > is > Dan's? The "winners" can't even keep their cameras? > I > sure hope those were disposeables because let me > tell > you, I would be SCREAMING if I took my nice camera > in > there for shots that I was told I could get and then > it > was taken away without a word of getting it back. > I remember Mike showing me the AP backstage passes > at > the Cobalt Lounge show in Portland. That was when he > got > POE's OK for us to have them and that the designs > were > good. Now those are gone??? AFTER POE OK'D IT?? The > right WE were given BY POE to be able to video her > concerts? Take what pictures we want??? > > > I hate to be the one who brings everyone's attention > to > it (don't shoot the messenger), but it may just be > that > Poe is drained by all of this contact we demand of > her. > We may be the monster she created but no longer can > control. > > Really, she may not WANT to seperate herself from us > > (because I am sure she appreciates us) but NEEDS > more > balance and down time. Unfortunately, that is why > she > has handlers- to do the nasty, dirty business of > using > B.S., "legalities," excuses, or bold faced lies to > get > to the means of seperating from her fans. She gets > to > be good guy, they get paid to be bad guys. > > I mean after the plethora of Phish shows I have been > to, > it is obvious to me that all the stories in the > world > wouldn't prevent cameras, video, or even music > recording > to be permitted if the artist truly wanted them > there. > > Noone wants to take their work home with them, in > the > case of the music industry and the fame that goes > with > it seperation between private and public time > becomes > ever the more blurred and just imagine how much > energy > it would take keep that up ALL THE TIME! > > But remember the pendulum swings both ways. We had > her > non-stop since the beginning. She may be curtailing > her > present dealings with fans. But when she strikes a > balance I think all will be well again. > > I find it hard to believe that this is about any ONE > or > TWO APs (sorry Dan- you know I love you and that > SUCKS > about your camera). I do think this is more likely > Poe > taking control of her dealings with us, her time and > her > energy. > > It's not something you get pissed about, it's just > something you accept. > > As for the Angie thing, I don't know how much > control > she really has. I was desperate to get an answer > from > her regarding something at the Gravity Games. In > good > faith (I believe) she told me she would find out. I > did > not hear back from her. I don't get pissed off, or > take > it personally. I believe she forgot, did not get an > > answer, or did not get an answer she wanted to pass > on > to me. BUT THERE ARE POLITICS TO THIS TOO! > > Whatever the reason, whatever the situation or > communication between her and Poe (and if it is good > Poe > knows all this shit), the one thing YOU KNOW she has > > control over (being the board) has never looked > better > thanks to her. > > I think we all need to get some perspective here. ===== I dreamt tomorrow had a prettier face... Let the angels grace the land, for I have held you in my hand. And right there for a minute, I knew you so well Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 18:02:09 +0000 From: tohaveaplan@att.net Subject: Rethought Psychos hate Craig shirt Since Hate is such a strong word (although it may be true) perhaps another shirt to write up might be... POE WON'T FORGET HER PSYCHOS I somehow have a hard time believing she KNOWS what we are thinking out here in Psycholand! HEY ANGIE, ARE YOU READING THIS? CAN YOU SHED ANY LIGHT ON THIS? SHOULD WE WEAR NETTWERK SUCKS SHIRTS OR WHAT? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:08:09 -0700 From: "Rob Darke" Subject: The F bomb....? Good lord. I think I asked this once before... but, here we go again; What is the problem with the word 'fuck'? Are we really not mature enough to handle the fact that some of us "swear"? And what is swearing anyway? I do not recall anything in the bible, etc that declared "fuck is a bad word now. Don't use it." People have taken random words and decided long ago that they were "bad," or "immature," or "in poor taste," etc. I say fuck that. 8-) And the phrase "the f bomb" is just plain stupid. How's it a 'bomb'? When you say 'fuck,' does everyone suddenly become quiet and fall into a state of shock? Thought not. Sorry, yet another pointless rant by me. PsychoLuv (wasn't that a Skid Row song? heheh), Rob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:08:25 -0500 From: "kelli helbig" Subject: dallas show? there WILL BE a dallas show right?? is anyone going? if so where and how do i get tickets for this show because i may not be here for the austin show and i really want to go to this..if anyone has ANY INFO on the dallas show plllllllllease let me know hehe its very very important _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 10:18:37 -0800 From: bash Subject: Re: Rethought Psychos hate Craig shirt tohaveaplan@att.net wrote: > > Since Hate is such a strong word (although it may be > true) perhaps another shirt to write up might be... > > POE > WON'T > FORGET > HER > PSYCHOS > > I somehow have a hard time believing she KNOWS what we > are thinking out here in Psycholand! > > HEY ANGIE, ARE YOU READING THIS? CAN YOU SHED ANY LIGHT > ON THIS? SHOULD WE WEAR NETTWERK SUCKS SHIRTS OR WHAT? How's about shirts that say sumptin' like: Poe's TRUE Netwerk - The Angry Psychos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 11:28:10 -0700 From: "Rob Darke" Subject: Okay everyone... let's just chill out 'n'yah. Ok, here's what I'm seeing; We all seem to be divided into two different categories; 1. Psychos who are just glad to be able to see Poe live. 2. Psychos who feel that they are entitled to meet by, because of their Psychoness. I guess what I'm getting at is -- Poe doesn't owe us anything. Most bands don't hang out with their fans at all. Hell, most bands wouldn't even do the Poeparrazzi thing. I've been to a lot of concerts in my 22 years. And by god... how many bands have I met after a show? NONE. And this has never upset me. I like to think that the odds of being able to meet with Poe before / after a show are better, but if it doesn't happen, I'm not crushed or anything. I met her at the Borders thing last year, had a picture of her & me taken, and BOOM -- I'm a happy camper. Would love to meet her again, and have some posters signed and whatnot... but, so far it hasn't happened. Thought it might happen after the DM show. Nope. So, hoped it would happen on Sunday night. And it didn't. Sure, it was a little disappointing, but I don't think she owes it to me to come out and say 'hi.' Hell, putting on the show she did would take a lot out of anyone. I wouldn't be surprised if she got offstage, found a couch and immediately crashed. God knows I would. Anyway, let's give Poe a break. I'm fairly confident that over the course of her career, she'll meet us all at some point. Hopefully numerous times. 8-) Like Miki pointed out -- Poe hung out with them for an hour or so before the show. She didn't spend any time with the AP's here in SLC... maybe that'll be reversed on the next tour. Ya never know. Long story short [too late], I'm sure that Poe still loves us. And after all she's given us, the least we can give her back is some patience. And not being all demanding about her time, etc. PsychoLuvs!! Rob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:41:39 EST From: JSens70632@aol.com Subject: Re: $450 for a Poe demin Jacket!?!?!? AHHHHHH!!!! they are very, very, nice, but very, very, expensive.......maybe this is how she will fund her next tour...:) i would love to buy one but i dont have that kind of money lying around. ~*jessica*~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:44:17 EST From: JSens70632@aol.com Subject: Re: Making a statement at shows grrreat idea!! i am definatly in...that guy is an asshole and im all for the statement even if i am the only one to participate! i will pick up a sharpie and white tshirt today:) ~*jessica*~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:45:19 EST From: JSens70632@aol.com Subject: Re: Rethought Psychos hate Craig shirt what about craig sux!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:55:05 -0800 From: "Ryan Palmer" Subject: Re: $450 for a Poe demin Jacket!?!?!? AHHHHHH!!!! I sent an e-mail to the poe store telling them to lower their prices :P hehe We'll see if it works :P - ----- Original Message ----- From: JSens70632@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 10:46 AM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: $450 for a Poe demin Jacket!?!?!? AHHHHHH!!!! they are very, very, nice, but very, very, expensive.......maybe this is how she will fund her next tour...:) i would love to buy one but i dont have that kind of money lying around. ~*jessica*~Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:01:21 EST From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: Rethought Psychos hate Craig shirt and STYLE I hate defending Nettwerk because they are so rude to us and THAT sucks.....HOWEVER... they manage Dido ( their pet project and Patrick is manager to BOTH Dido and Poe), SarahM, Barenanaked Ladies and do quite well by them. If they WANT to they can make Poe the next Dido ...compare the talents of the two and you will see what I mean... I like Dido, but she is SURE no Poe! Their job is not to be nice to the fans, that is the performers job. Their job is to make the promoters happy ( getting the shows started at the right time) make the people who expose her to fans ( radio,TV,print media) happy - --and they look at MANY thousands as exposure -- we are not in that scheme at Nettwerks level or Atlantics, though we SURE are with Fishkin Entertainment. That means she must leave the three fans she is talking to to get to the radio station on time where thousands or millions will hear what she is saying. Exposure...... as MUCH exposure as possible for the least possible cost, because their bottom line job is helping Poe make as much money as she can, getting the most bang for the buck in expenses. And keep in mind, they don't have much money to work with YET! Poe at a recent event was staying at a Days Inn and driving a cheap compact rent-a-car not showing up in a limo that met her private jet and took her to the Hilton. There are NO style points and it appears Nettwerk is not looking for any. Craig IS a dick, but what he does is necessary. Sad that he can't learn to do it with style! They have GOT to find balance though and they have GOT to realize that we could help them, if they would only LET us! Kindof the same thing with Angie in reverse --- we have legitimate gripes but we are expressing them ( and I have done it more then most) with a lack of style.... ( every time I type that I see the comedian Gallagher swish what is left of his hair).. Maybe Angie's cheerleaders are right! Maybe Angie wants to do a good job providing us with information and opportunities to be with Poe but she feels like WE are a collective Craig being demanding without style???? Soooo, what are we going to do about it? I think we can start with some forgiveness and we can show by example the style they lack. Will that make Angie work with us or make Craig show some style???? I doubt it, but it can't hurt and is more fun then being pissed on or off. ========Original Message======== Subj: Rethought Psychos hate Craig shirt Date: 11/7/2001 10:08:00 AM Pacific Standard Time From: tohaveaplan@att.net To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sent from the Internet (Details) Since Hate is such a strong word (although it may be true) perhaps another shirt to write up might be... POE WON'T FORGET HER PSYCHOS I somehow have a hard time believing she KNOWS what we are thinking out here in Psycholand! HEY ANGIE, ARE YOU READING THIS? CAN YOU SHED ANY LIGHT ON THIS? SHOULD WE WEAR NETTWERK SUCKS SHIRTS OR WHAT? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:08:04 -0500 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: RE: Okay everyone... let's just chill out 'n'yah. >===== Original Message From Rob Darke ===== >Ok, here's what I'm seeing; > >We all seem to be divided into two different categories; > >1. Psychos who are just glad to be able to see Poe live. >2. Psychos who feel that they are entitled to meet by, because of their >Psychoness. > > A quick note though, I'm speaking for myself here, but I'm pretty sure that some people echo my opinions. A lot of us fell in love with Poe partly because of her music, but also her attitude towards fans played a key part. I've seen many bands come and go. Sometimes its because of music, sometimes its because of the people in the band. Interaction with people who buy your product is key to keep a continuing audience as well as to build a following. I enjoy Poe not only for her music, but for her insight on life as well as the time I've been able to spend with her. To be honest, I don't listen to Hello or Haunted nearly as much these days, but I do enjoy keeping up with what's on her mind, what she's dealing with, and the fans associated with her. I enjoy her live shows, and don't demand attention from her, but at the same time, the lack of attention causes my devotion and dedication to fade over time. An example, take it at what you will, I'm not a huge fan of Tori Amos, her music is much more emotional and does not fall into the right grooves in my logical mind to be pleasing to me (I have a whole long theory on why I like some music but dont like others, ask me in #poe if your interested sometime.. :) Granted, I do hold a great deal of respect for Tori as a musician. She has talent that is very hard to match. But, barring this auditory dissonance in my mind, I joined my girlfriend and went to the Tori show in Cleveland recently. I was impressed not by the music, but by the stories that I heard of her meeting and greeting fans and friends. After the show, we joined a large group of smiling faces waiting to get a chance to say hi to Tori. You could tell it meant a lot to them, and that these were the people that were "hooked" on Tori. Record labels should listen up and recognize that this is an audience for a lot of profit to be gained by. I'm curious to see just how much of the merchandise bought is by what type of fan. Do the top 10% of fans buy 50% of the merchandise? I know a lot of us spend a ton of money on Poe stuff. Hell, I even bought 10 copies of Rise and Shine and handed them out to friends, I almost always buy a t-shirt or two at shows, multiple copies of Haunted recently, as well as posters and whatnot. All this merchandise not only makes the big boys money, but it gives them advertising that I pay for. I pay to advertise the Haunted cd when I wear the t-shirt I bought for $25 (or however much) Anyways, I'm starting to ramble on here. In short, I think whoever the Man is in this case is overlooking the need for a personal connection to mass media. Maybe I don't know anything, and am completely wrong, if so, I invite correction and insight from everyone. - -Ed (Divinity) ed@poe.org http://divinity.relic.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 12:20:09 -0700 From: "Rob Darke" Subject: I say thee nay, Mr. Ed... 8-) Hey Ed, etc More or less what I was getting at is that it'd be nice if all bands had a lot of fan interaction. The vast 99% don't. But, personally, that's never made me any less fanatical. I got into Poe because I liked the music. I became obsessed with "Haunted," which I still am. People will always appreciate and enjoy Picasso's work, regardless of how much time he spent with the 'fans.' 8-) Also, you brought up an interesting point though as far as merchandise sales go. I bought all the shirts they had at the DM show, and one of everything at the show on Sunday. So, there's one psycho, dropping $100+ in merchandise in a single night. I've also bought Haunted numerous times. I've got 3 copies at this point. Same goes for "Hello." I've also bought extra copies as gifts, etc. Hmmmm.... what if it turns out that only 200 people are purchasing everything Poe? That'd be odd. 8-) Psycholuv, Rob >A quick note though, I'm speaking for myself here, but I'm pretty sure that >some >people echo my opinions. A lot of us fell in love with Poe partly because >of >her music, but also her attitude towards fans played a key part. I've seen >many >bands come and go. Sometimes its because of music, sometimes its because >of >the >people in the band. Interaction with people who buy your product is key to >keep >a continuing audience as well as to build a following. I enjoy Poe not >only >for >her music, but for her insight on life as well as the time I've been able >to >spend with her. To be honest, I don't listen to Hello or Haunted nearly as >much >these days, but I do enjoy keeping up with what's on her mind, what she's >dealing with, and the fans associated with her. I enjoy her live shows, >and >don't demand attention from her, but at the same time, the lack of >attention >causes my devotion and dedication to fade over time. An example, take it >at >what you will, I'm not a huge fan of Tori Amos, her music is much more >emotional >and does not fall into the right grooves in my logical mind to be pleasing >to >me >(I have a whole long theory on why I like some music but dont like others, >ask >me in #poe if your interested sometime.. :) Granted, I do hold a great >deal >of >respect for Tori as a musician. She has talent that is very hard to match. >But, barring this auditory dissonance in my mind, I joined my girlfriend >and >went to the Tori show in Cleveland recently. I was impressed not by the >music, >but by the stories that I heard of her meeting and greeting fans and >friends. >After the show, we joined a large group of smiling faces waiting to get a >chance >to say hi to Tori. You could tell it meant a lot to them, and that these >were >the people that were "hooked" on Tori. Record labels should listen up and >recognize that this is an audience for a lot of profit to be gained by. >I'm >curious to see just how much of the merchandise bought is by what type of >fan. >Do the top 10% of fans buy 50% of the merchandise? I know a lot of us >spend a >ton of money on Poe stuff. Hell, I even bought 10 copies of Rise and Shine >and >handed them out to friends, I almost always buy a t-shirt or two at shows, >multiple copies of Haunted recently, as well as posters and whatnot. All >this >merchandise not only makes the big boys money, but it gives them >advertising >that I pay for. I pay to advertise the Haunted cd when I wear the t-shirt >I >bought for $25 (or however much) Anyways, I'm starting to ramble on here. >In >short, I think whoever the Man is in this case is overlooking the need for >a >personal connection to mass media. Maybe I don't know anything, and am >completely wrong, if so, I invite correction and insight from everyone. > >-Ed (Divinity) >ed@poe.org >http://divinity.relic.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:47:49 EST From: JewlyaINAP@aol.com Subject: M&G This is what I was talking about;) Hell, even if no one meets the artist, at the least, the community that occurs at these things is faboo! Sharmel I was impressed not by the > music, > but by the stories that I heard of her meeting and greeting fans and friends. > After the show, we joined a large group of smiling faces waiting to get a > chance > to say hi to Tori. You could tell it meant a lot to them, and that these were > the people that were "hooked" on Tori. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:47:50 EST From: JewlyaINAP@aol.com Subject: M&G This is what I was talking about;) Hell, even if no one meets the artist, at the least, the community that occurs at these things is faboo! Sharmel I was impressed not by the > music, > but by the stories that I heard of her meeting and greeting fans and friends. > After the show, we joined a large group of smiling faces waiting to get a > chance > to say hi to Tori. You could tell it meant a lot to them, and that these were > the people that were "hooked" on Tori. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 13:25:50 -0700 From: "Rob Darke" Subject: Re: Okay everyone... let's just chill out 'n'yah. Now, now... settle down there Mr. 8-) I've been out of the loop for awhile, granted. Changing careers and all that fun stuff, etc etc. So I have no recollection of Angie being designated as THE communication channel. Never saw that. I don't know what the hell the deal is. My personal experience -- I had questions regarding the DV8 show. I emailed Angie. Angie got me all the answers I wanted by the following day. Seemed like great communication to me. I agree that it kinda blows that what we were told would happen when she was out on her own, didn't happen. The Poeparrazi contest sucks, in a sense. There's a lot of things I don't agree with about it. Like not being able to have copies of the pictures YOU took. That seems like bullshit to me. I don't know what's going on. But here's what I hope: I hope the rumors of this being a "pre-tour" are true. Looking at the schedule, it is a VERY intimidating schedule. Days off are VERY few and far between. Poe has been on the road for all of 3 days now. She had to leave immediately after SLC. This was explained by her needing time to work out the technical difficulties that happened during the SLC show. There's still plenty of technical kinks to be worked out. It sounds like perhaps she had a lot more luck in CO, and therefore was able to spend some time with the psychos. It's still VERY early in the tour. Maybe things will change as the tour progresses. Psycholuv, Rob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:04:40 EST From: BigBuho0086@aol.com Subject: What? Not meet P+E?? So what is all this talk about not meeting POE? So when I go to the Bogart's show in Cincy I won't get to meet her at all? Or even take a pic of her??? This is awful!!! I wanted to so bad!! Please fill me in. - -big ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: forsaken Subject: Re: Rethought Psychos hate Craig shirt How about: Angry Psychos: Is it just live, or is it Poe? Poe: The Psychos are listening > > How's about shirts that say sumptin' like: Poe's > TRUE Netwerk - The > Angry Psychos ===== I ask for only three simple things: a warm bed, a hot meal, and ultimate power. Remember: there is no "I" in team, but there is in "Bullshit".... Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 15:26:25 -0700 From: "sarah delgado" Subject: Re: The F bomb....? FUCK _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:42:56 -0800 From: "Patrick T." Subject: RE: $450 for a Poe demin Jacket!?!?!? AHHHHHH!!!! Didn't someone say that Netwerk's mangement was in Vancouver,B.C.? maybe i can just walk down the street to their headquarters and buy Poe stuff from them directly so i won't have to wait 2 weeks!!! *hums the theme song to the Littlest Hobo* ...... :D ha ha - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Can't talk to a psycho like a normal human being" -Poe "While you were selling your soul While you were tearing a hole in me I was taking control"- Poe "Well, well, well. I can't believe you made it."- Jerry Seinfeld, I'm Telling You for the Last Time >From: "Ice Princess" >To: JCook@dpict.com, Prozackitty16@aol.com, angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: RE: $450 for a Poe demin Jacket!?!?!? AHHHHHH!!!! >Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 08:21:29 -0800 > > >I feel your pain...I definitely want the dragon or the rose one.....that's >what my credit card is for :) *sigh* Ohh, but the interest will just kill >me! > >~Shelley > > >>From: Jennifer Cook >>To: "'Prozackitty16@aol.com'" , >>angry-psychos@smoe.org >>Subject: RE: $450 for a Poe demin Jacket!?!?!? AHHHHHH!!!! >>Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:06:41 -0600 >> >> >>Well, since they are handmade, I can understand the pricetag, but why only >>one!!!! I SOOO want the dragon/poe ball jacket!!! My favorite artist and >>the year of my birth! (Yes, 'tis true! I was born under the coolest of >>Chinese signs... The Dragon... 1976!!!) >> >>Sigh... >> >>Hey, there are a few "professional ladies" that walk the streets not far >>from where I work (there are tons of hotels there), so maybe I could join >>them for a while! Hey baby! Want a little lovin'? Okay, I don't even >>want >>it that bad!!! HA! >> >>Jenn >> >> -----Original Message----- >>From: Prozackitty16@aol.com [mailto:Prozackitty16@aol.com] >>Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 1:15 AM >>To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >>Subject: $450 for a Poe demin Jacket!?!?!? AHHHHHH!!!! >> >> >>When...WHEN will the madness END!!!!! AHHHHH!!!!!! Nearly 500 bux for a >>jacket!?!?!? WTF!!!!!!! @ words for you my friends....... "Bull-Shit". >> >>And what even more sad is that I'm already saving for one... *sigh* I >>know...I'm pathetic.... >> >> >>~Gypsy > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:51:37 EST From: FallenAngel1204@aol.com Subject: Re: Poe in Pittsburgh pre-party Hey, I am all about meeting before the show here. Pretty much anywhere inexpensive is good. Can we think of a place thats in Oakland maybe, so we could just walk right to Laga from there? If we wanted a place to eat we could hit Primanti's, or the Original Hot Dog Shop (which I have never been to, so I dont know what its like.) Both of those are on Forbes, within a few blocks of the club. If you've got better ideas start throwing them out guys. Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:52:27 EST From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: The F bomb....? In a message dated 11/7/01 12:16:04 PM Central Standard Time, rob4poe@hotmail.com writes: > What is the problem with the word 'fuck'? Are we really not mature enough > to handle the fact that some of us "swear"? Is it true that the Catholic Church came up with that? For Unlawful C something K something. ~~Man, name brand word association is one of the more subtle threats to this nation's free trade~Sic Semper Bea Arthur!!!~~Clerks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:54:17 -0500 From: Erik Schalburg Subject: RE: The F bomb....? Nope. Feeling very deja vuish - check snopes. It's in anglisized version of some form of germanic or scandinavian word (e.g., fokken, German). - -----Original Message----- From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com [mailto:LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 5:52 PM To: rob4poe@hotmail.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: The F bomb....? In a message dated 11/7/01 12:16:04 PM Central Standard Time, rob4poe@hotmail.com writes: > What is the problem with the word 'fuck'? Are we really not mature enough > to handle the fact that some of us "swear"? Is it true that the Catholic Church came up with that? For Unlawful C something K something. ~~Man, name brand word association is one of the more subtle threats to this nation's free trade~Sic Semper Bea Arthur!!!~~Clerks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 17:59:41 EST From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: Shattered Dreams Hey I understand, if I EVER get to see pOe I know (hope) she is the type of artist that would at least take 2 seconds to pose in a picture with me. If I can't talk to her after a show, I'd go head to toe in psycho gear and let her know I was an AP :) Making big ass signs and shit would be cool, too. It'd suck to be the person behind me though. ~~Man, name brand word association is one of the more subtle threats to this nation's free trade~Sic Semper Bea Arthur!!!~~Clerks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 18:23:31 -0500 From: "Brian Brantley" Subject: Re: NPRThe F bomb....? FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK - ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarah delgado" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: Re: The F bomb....? > > FUCK > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:58:12 -0800 (PST) From: Lok Tina Subject: Re: Making a statement at shows I don't think that's a good idea. It doesn't show you as a mature person and it might make Craig dislike us even more. Tina L. - --- JSens70632@aol.com wrote: > > grrreat idea!! i am definatly in...that guy is an > asshole and im all for the > statement even if i am the only one to participate! > i will pick up a sharpie > and white tshirt today:) > ~*jessica*~ Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 16:11:35 -0800 From: "mike brame" Subject: Re: NPRThe F bomb....? From Mary Prankster's "Mercyfuck": I wish I could fuck all my sorrow away, And fuck 'til the dawn of the next fuckin' day, Fuck the chorus and verse, Fuck the pain getting worse, Fuck it all 'til I burn. I wish I could fuck all of you 'til you see, I'm the worst fuck up in all history, Fuck your image and mine, Fuck your limp valentine, Fuck it all 'til I learn... F-Mike _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:12:25 -0800 (PST) From: Kate Harper Subject: POE store- fine art? hey everyone- anybody have any idea what'll be under the "fine art" section in the poe store? paintings of poe, or what? just dying of curiousity- it's the artist in me, i guess. harper Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:28:34 -0800 (PST) From: Miki Proud Subject: Re: The F bomb....? Seriously, what's the big fucking deal? FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK. Anybody drop dead from sheer repulsion? No? Great, so what was the fucking question again? ===== I dreamt tomorrow had a prettier face... Let the angels grace the land, for I have held you in my hand. And right there for a minute, I knew you so well Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:41:51 EST From: Spidersrcute2@aol.com Subject: Re Miki's Poe pics Wow, those were so cool!!! I had to laugh 'cause I recognized the emily shirt Poe was wearing in the SLC pic with Jeremy and Radon. Very cool. I have to still get my tickets for Bimbo's (yes I'm being a lazy bitch) but I will acquire them soon. I have to also send out the money order for my psycho shirt tomorrow and hope it gets here on time...if not, I'll just design something on my own. As far as them checking I.D's, I have heard that Bimbo's is pretty strict about it, but I think if you can get away with that I D of yours then you're set. As far as meeting, there is a little Italian place that serves the best bruschetta I've ever had right there in the north beach area. Talk to you all soon!! I'm gonna go try to get rid of this stupid cold I have. Tracie Psycho in the Bay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 19:52:30 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Griffes Subject: dilemma!! OKAY i just need to whine for a bit, so please excuse this. so i absolutely adore margaret cho. I wanted to go see her, she's doing two shows in one night nearby. However, it's the same night as POE in detroit, which i am extremely excited about. So i figured i'd go see poe, whatever, i'll see margaret some other time (though, for the record, this would be the THIRD time i missed her!). soooo i just found out that none other than VAGINAL CREME DAVIS is opening for ms. cho!!! What the hell? i idolize her and would give ANYTHING to see her. i saw poe in cleveland when she did that hall of fame thing...soooo...i dont know what to do. i really would love to see her do a full set...but...ug! i hate when this stuff happens :( like...eck. i want to see poe. i need a CONCERT. my new job doesnt allow me to see shows anymore unless they are friday or saturday night...sooooo.....i realy should see poe. PFFT! Steve. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 02:17:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: POE in PHX Hey gang... I just called 602-2601015 - KZON and pimped up the angry psychos and POE. Now I have to listen to their repetative jargon to see if they recorded me... I have old friends at KZON... I will try to get us some banner space. Let me get to work... JK/// ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:14:40 EST From: Prozackitty16@aol.com Subject: Re: Meeting Poe How the hell do we know about this? How can we KNOW that she is mad about this as well?? She TOLD me!!!!! I'm am DEEPLY dissapointed in the lack of faith fro those who are lacking. Where the fuck is your Poe Spirit!?! A VERY Angry, ~Gypsy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:19:09 EST From: Prozackitty16@aol.com Subject: No offense to ANGIE...but...(AP Meets) Frankly.....I dont believe Angie. Not that shes nesecarily lieing to us.....but SADLY misinformed..... I dont believe for one second that Poe would not make EVERY attampt to meet w/ us after shows and such. Sorry Angie, but until I hear it fro Poe herself....I aint buying it!!! ;-) I trust you Poe...... ~Gypsy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 17:24:01 -0800 From: phauxpa Subject: Re: The F bomb....? When William of Normandy conquered England in 1066, the Anglo-Saxon language as a result suffered several alterations. The Normans who spoke French, became the ruling caste and therefore treated the native Saxons and their language as inferior. Many of the words in the Saxon language, which at the time were inoffensive, as a consequence became impolite, crude and coarse words, solely because the were spoken by Saxons. Thus common Anglo-Saxon words like "sweat", "eat", "dead", "want", "piss", and "shit" were over time deemed impolite and subsequently replaced by the "polite" Norman equivalents: "perspiration", "dine", "deceased", "desire", "urine", "excrement". As for the Anglo-Saxon "fuck", derived from Old English word "fokken", meaning "to beat against"...well, it was also replaced by the "more respectable" Norman term, "fornicate", believed to have derived from the Latin term "fornix", which was a small vaulted-ceiling basement room that could be rented for a night, and was basically equivalent to a brothel, since prostitution occurred in those rooms during the Roman Christian era. Anyhow, the point being, that yes, you are exactly correct in your assumptions that people who happened to be in power at a given time in history can make the determinations for the rest of us, much as in our current history, the same things are being done through the political correctness movement. We are still being told to conform to what is deemed acceptable behavior and language by the elite. That is why a word such is "nigger", the origin of which probably had no negative connotations and most likely just derived from the portuguese or spanish equivalents for "black", (and my guess is that it was likely bastardized into that form by seamen, who bastardized language in general [an example: the word "forecastle" becoming the abbreviated "fo'c'sle"]) is now considered completely innapropriate, solely because it was used by the people in power throughout history, and therefore has a checkered past. However unethical it is considered to use that term now, it still makes more sense to me than all these newer politically correct 'geographic' terms, i.e. "african american" (or "asian american" replacing "oriental"), which to me are completely absurd, since many ethnicities could actually originate from those regions that didn't match the features that the terms are attempting to classify, and therefore P.C. undermines the actual categorizations that are trying to be accomplished. Because in the end, all P.C. accomplishes is to create newer, better terminology to encourage people to still classify and group others into something that is not your group. k. Rob Darke wrote: > Good lord. I think I asked this once before... but, here we go again; > > What is the problem with the word 'fuck'? Are we really not mature enough > to handle the fact that some of us "swear"? > > And what is swearing anyway? I do not recall anything in the bible, etc > that declared "fuck is a bad word now. Don't use it." People have taken > random words and decided long ago that they were "bad," or "immature," or > "in poor taste," etc. I say fuck that. 8-) > > And the phrase "the f bomb" is just plain stupid. How's it a 'bomb'? When > you say 'fuck,' does everyone suddenly become quiet and fall into a state of > shock? Thought not. > > Sorry, yet another pointless rant by me. > > PsychoLuv (wasn't that a Skid Row song? heheh), > > Rob > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #499 ***********************************