From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #496 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Tuesday, November 6 2001 Volume 06 : Number 496 Today's Subjects: ----------------- poe.org update ["Oona ***" ] Re: Shattered Dreams [Cyberfan Corporation ] MEET AND GREETS [JewlyaINAP@aol.com] Re: mean management [Litesneeze@aol.com] RE: AP Meets [Cyberfan Corporation ] Re: Poe Store is open!! [PURPLMOJO@aol.com] Re: mean management ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: AP Meets [Cyberfan Corporation ] Re: mean management [JSens70632@aol.com] Re: MEET AND GREETS [Cyberfan Corporation ] RE: MEET AND GREETS [Ed Hunsinger ] Re: mean management [JewlyaINAP@aol.com] Re: mean management [bash ] Re: Shattered Dreams ["Tim Dube" ] Re: MEET AND GREETS [JewlyaINAP@aol.com] Fwd: AP Meets - Act II [EXej@aol.com] Poe shows-SLC and Denver [Miki Proud ] PR: POE-litics (was a whole slew of topics) [JaunasAddiccion@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 21:32:10 -0600 From: "Oona ***" Subject: poe.org update neato neato poe.org has been updated. i have a question...(as usual)... so if we have an AP get together before a show can we get a little spot on the AP page to put a review and some pics of all of us? thats all for now toodles tara p.s. no one ever told me if it was possible to update my psycho ward profile...mine is from 99 and i could add a pic...email me privatly with info on if this is possible pleaseeee... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 04:51:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: Re: Shattered Dreams > Due to the back to back nature of the tour dates for the entire month, > on into December, Poe will not be able to meet with AP's aside from the > contest winners. > thats bullshit to me...How hard is it come out for half an hour just to hang? It takes that long to load up the equipment anyway... this......is.....bullshit.... - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thank you for realizing your pain and writing an apology email. This shows some some class and character. *************************************************** JK/// *************************************************** On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Notajunkie wrote: > > I'm sorry, I just get REALLY pissed when artists give they impression of > "I'm too special to not talk to my fans..." > > I understand time is a constrant, yes...but a simple non-stage > acknowledgement is all I ask...even if it is just a "I'm really tired...but > thanks guys" after the show... > > I just always felt connected to Poe through her music, yes...and I've been > an AP dreaming of the days I could FINALLY get to see Poe in person, and to > get to speak to her.....That dream, and that hope is why I stayed an AP for > so long.....and I guess, If I go this concert, and it ends being like > everyother concert I've gone to, I will feel REALLY let down...I became an > AP, and love Poe because of her interaction and directness with all her > fans... > > I guess maybe I'm afraid that after 4 yrs, and the fact I'm driving 4 hrs > (probally by myself), I still won't EVER get the chance to meet Poe, and I > guess that makes me a bit bitter... > > "Don't you mess with a little (boys) dreams. > Cause he's liable to grow up mean..." > > But then If I've been living under a dillusion all these years, then > maybe...........I don't know > > I'll shut-up now...At least I'll get to meet other APs.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:38:07 EST From: JewlyaINAP@aol.com Subject: MEET AND GREETS In a message dated 11/6/01 7:15:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, cyberfan@ns1.indigi.net writes: > uck-n-a gang... I propose this as the support we give POE for the tour. > Get her name in some press. > > > > > Let's keep our chin up. > LOL, Jarrod...U are almost proposing mutiny. I like it. I definetly think that We need to get down to the bottom of this. Its as if POE says one thing...and then we are told another thing..by the very people who 'control access' to her..... I got an idea: Why not begin MEET N GREETS...A'la Tori Amos...I went to my first one after yrs of wanting to, and it was such an amazing experience...waiting, chatting with fans, getting to see her as she went in the building for the soundcheck. They are small venues... We can incorporate the before AP to occur within it!...Say,We meet up before, at the doors, nice and calm;) and then after, it should still be 2-3 hrs before the show, and we all go to dinner? Anyone? I am willing to help cordinate for NY!:) PSYCHOS UNITE!!! Sharmie;),,,mew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:40:04 EST From: Litesneeze@aol.com Subject: Re: mean management I have no idea if Craig is the one that was rushing her along on the last tour, but all I know is whomever the other guy was kinda upset me. I mean, POE really wanted to stay after to talk to some of the fans. She's very fan-oriented. She was lingering with us and smiling and laughing and then all of a sudden, this guy comes out of nowhere and pushes POE along while repeatedly saying "Come on Annie. We're going to be late. We have to go now..." yadda, yadda yadda. I felt really bad for her. Maybe it's just me. ~Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 05:03:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: RE: AP Meets The force is strong with this one. =o] *** Well said... (Not that you needed my recognition). 'cuz you the pimp. JK/// > > Jesus christ.. what happened to the Poe that had time to hang out, chat, > listen and tell stories? The hell with this contest bullshit. I'm about two > minutes from just walking away from this whole mess of the busy Poe. I love > her music and all, but I'm kind of sick of seeing so much time and effort > devoted to being ignored. My girlfriend pointed out a huge difference > between the recent Poe outings, and the stories I told her. I'm beginning > to see it too. Ten minutes with fans after a show is too much to ask? All > this super special contest winner crap. Tori has a huge fan base and a busy > tour, yet she still finds time to hang out and at least say hi to fans. > Wake up! this is how to build and keep a fan user base!! Personal > conection. The appeal of mass media fades over time. It needs that personal > connection in order to keep it strong in the mind of an audience. Had I not > had a personal connection to Poe, would I have cared or even looked forward > to a second album after such a long time? probably not, just like so many > other bands that I enjoy but do not devote time, energy, money, effort to. > I also find it concerning that a lot of the people that have devoted a lot > of their lives to Poe have found themselves disenchanted with many different > aspects over time. I hope this is not a trend that will continue. I enjoy > running poe.navelsex.com and checking my listmail and the occasional > (although not frequent enough) drop by #poe. I do not enjoy the "Hey, email > these 50 radio stations and get Poe some airplay so she can do a ton of > shows and hop from city to city too quickly to even spare a few minutes to > say hi to some devoted fans, but has time to hang out with random people who > register on some message board." Bring back the old Poe, the one that had > decent airplay, enjoyed performing, enjoyed the time with the fans, and had > devoted fans. I remember a Poe in Richmond that had to be physically > carried away so she could do her set. I remember a Poe that took several > hours to hang out at a small apartment to hav ea few drinks and chat with > people. Maybe I can look forward to hanging out with Cody, he's always been > cool and likes chatting, and probably could spare some time without having > to win a contest. :P > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of angie > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 9:14 PM > To: Angry-Psychos@smoe.org > Subject: AP Meets > > > > Due to the back to back nature of the tour dates for the entire month, > on into December, Poe will not be able to meet with AP's aside from the > contest winners. > > 11.20.01--New Orleans/House of Blues and ---- > 11.30.01-- Sacramento/Boardwalk are confirmed. > > Both Dallas (Red Jacket 11.26.01) and Sacramento (Boardwalk 11.30.01) > will have 2 opening bands. Think Of England will perform after the 1st, > local, artist. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 22:45:13 EST From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com Subject: Re: Poe Store is open!! - -->Step outside the box. I am sure there are plenty of people on this list who are fans and never email. Further, when you think about the target market for Poe, I'm pretty sure females make up a larger proportion than men. They could change this if they wanted to turn her into a sex symbol. Poe is sexy, but we don't want to see her marketed like the next pop sensation (manufactured sex appeal), right? Oh wait, YOU do, because you don't see women as anything other than sex objects. > What a load of crap femanazi bastards.. - -->For all of the ignorant, uneducated, or simply misinformed, feminism does not mean "women rule and men suck". Feminism is about equal rights and opportunities for both sexes, and the recognition of and the importance of gender in society. It's not about hating men, putting down men, or all the traditionalists (militant) would have you believe. It's about women having a CHOICE, about the ability to have as aspired status instead of an ascribed one. It's closed-minded persons who believe that one side wins and so the other side must lose. We can all learn from and gain from each other, allowing everyone to "win". It's not a winner takes all situation, as much as some people would like you to believe it is. Uhura>>>>> Well to defend myself on the various statements as I find them accusitory and borderline defamating in an attempt to regulate. On your first paragraph. Naturally there is always the lurkers that do not post so common sense rational would support your statement. I agree, Thus why I worded my statement "So far from what I've seen on this list"Of course if you would like to get more anal retentive and leave my opinion no leway and take literal one could also point out that I don't read every email thus shortening the statistical ratio. Second I find the remaining points brash. Being that you claim we could change a supposed majority female fan base by Marketing her as a sex object. Which I find the whole statement typcial emasculation propaganda. Just because I guy looks at a woman and finds her attractive and desirable does not automaticly mean he can't respect her or acknowledge her any other way,but thats another debate subject. Third I find the Bold statement of YOU in your last sentence indicating that I see women as only sex objects defamating. I can't imagine why I would be labled to have that view point based on the supported statements. As for the Feminazi Bastards statement. I in no way indicated Feminazi as Feminism and I do understand the definition of Feminism. You yourself outline The Slang term Feminazi. "It's not about hating men, putting down men, or all the traditionalists (militant) would have you believe." These are the exact type that would be termed Femanazis.. As for your statement of feminism being a womens choice to have an ability to have an aspired status instead of an ascribed one. Lets keep things on equal terms and give us guys the ability to have an aspired status instead of a Chauvanistic,close minded,thinks with their cocks ascribed status, But now I digress into a totally different subject for debate and is going into npr.. Be happy to continue in private some rational debate or npr if a audience is wanted. Lord Lonnie aka the blue bastard "Always question authority and never let them take you alive" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:46:07 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: mean management - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oona ***" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:27 PM Subject: mean management > > is craig the guy that was on the last tour with POE. the one who spent the > whole time while he was around rushing her along? I recall with a chuckle, POE meeting with us in Toronto after her set, out in the food court, because they wouldn't allow AP's into any area with POE, and while she was signing stuff and talking with her fans, Craig kept ticking off the time, which POE completely would not hear, talking right over him, rolling her eyes, pretty much a very sharp CONTRAST to the vibes we get from her "official" helpers... I think Rochester may offer some good chances to interact with POE if she makes the WBER in studio appearance, also, if she is not there in time for the "FMS", WBER has always been happy to interupt any scheduled programming to give an aritst a couple of hours of studio time. So if she does do the WBER gig, you should be able to phone in and e-mail your messages, and I doubt the DJ's at WBER will hold back on the questions I ask. One problem with writing this stuff here is that I guess it lets the official people throw a wall up against our efforts.... I say this because when I contacted the club in Rochester about what ages would be allowed into the show, I got a phone call and a message back the next day. I have now left two messages about having a pre show party at the club, and have not heard back, and have to wonder why all of a sudden they don't want to talk about the POE show... sp00k etc ... > > > > feeling that it wouldn't anyway. So, I will jump on the "Craig is the > > > anti-christ" bandwagon myself. Get yer pitchforks! 8-) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 05:06:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: Re: AP Meets What was all that stuff about Nov. 6th in Madrid... What in POE's life happened to make her father speak to the tape, this date. Well APs... Nov. 6th 2001 is a definite fulcrum for POE (young kids, please go look up fulcrum - thanks - its the teacher in me). *** Going to put on haunted now and listen to Nov 6 song. *************************************************** JK/// Jarrod Kniff President - Cyberfan Corporation jarrod@cyberfan.com *************************************************** "One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preparation." -- Arthur Ashe *************************************************** "I hope you consider yourself a beautiful person, I do. To determine this, I closed my eyes and opened my heart." -- Jarrod Kniff *************************************************** On Tue, 6 Nov 2001, Notajunkie wrote: > > PREACH ON BROTHER!!!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Hunsinger" > To: "angie" ; > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:26 PM > Subject: RE: AP Meets > > > > > > Jesus christ.. what happened to the Poe that had time to hang out, chat, > > listen and tell stories? The hell with this contest bullshit. I'm about > two > > minutes from just walking away from this whole mess of the busy Poe. I > love > > her music and all, but I'm kind of sick of seeing so much time and effort > > devoted to being ignored. My girlfriend pointed out a huge difference > > between the recent Poe outings, and the stories I told her. I'm beginning > > to see it too. Ten minutes with fans after a show is too much to ask? > All > > this super special contest winner crap. Tori has a huge fan base and a > busy > > tour, yet she still finds time to hang out and at least say hi to fans. > > Wake up! this is how to build and keep a fan user base!! Personal > > conection. The appeal of mass media fades over time. It needs that > personal > > connection in order to keep it strong in the mind of an audience. Had I > not > > had a personal connection to Poe, would I have cared or even looked > forward > > to a second album after such a long time? probably not, just like so many > > other bands that I enjoy but do not devote time, energy, money, effort to. > > I also find it concerning that a lot of the people that have devoted a lot > > of their lives to Poe have found themselves disenchanted with many > different > > aspects over time. I hope this is not a trend that will continue. I > enjoy > > running poe.navelsex.com and checking my listmail and the occasional > > (although not frequent enough) drop by #poe. I do not enjoy the "Hey, > email > > these 50 radio stations and get Poe some airplay so she can do a ton of > > shows and hop from city to city too quickly to even spare a few minutes to > > say hi to some devoted fans, but has time to hang out with random people > who > > register on some message board." Bring back the old Poe, the one that had > > decent airplay, enjoyed performing, enjoyed the time with the fans, and > had > > devoted fans. I remember a Poe in Richmond that had to be physically > > carried away so she could do her set. I remember a Poe that took several > > hours to hang out at a small apartment to hav ea few drinks and chat with > > people. Maybe I can look forward to hanging out with Cody, he's always > been > > cool and likes chatting, and probably could spare some time without having > > to win a contest. :P > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org > > [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of angie > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 9:14 PM > > To: Angry-Psychos@smoe.org > > Subject: AP Meets > > > > > > > > Due to the back to back nature of the tour dates for the entire month, > > on into December, Poe will not be able to meet with AP's aside from the > > contest winners. > > > > 11.20.01--New Orleans/House of Blues and ---- > > 11.30.01-- Sacramento/Boardwalk are confirmed. > > > > Both Dallas (Red Jacket 11.26.01) and Sacramento (Boardwalk 11.30.01) > > will have 2 opening bands. Think Of England will perform after the 1st, > > local, artist. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 22:48:31 EST From: JSens70632@aol.com Subject: Re: mean management im pretty sure its the same guy and he is a real ASSHOLE!!! ~*jessica*~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 05:14:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: Re: MEET AND GREETS > Anyone? I am willing to help cordinate for NY!:) > PSYCHOS UNITE!!! > Sharmie;),,,mew > now that's what I'm talkin' about!!! and be funny... getting arrested for washing a bus on a city street... hahaha now that would make the papers. THE WHEEL IN THE SKY KEEPS ON TURNIN' I don't know where I'll be tomorrow. isn't that JOURNEY? dude... get a job. *************************************************** JK/// Jarrod Kniff President - Cyberfan Corporation jarrod@cyberfan.com *************************************************** "One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preparation." -- Arthur Ashe *************************************************** "I hope you consider yourself a beautiful person, I do. To determine this, I closed my eyes and opened my heart." -- Jarrod Kniff *************************************************** On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 JewlyaINAP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/6/01 7:15:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, > cyberfan@ns1.indigi.net writes: > > > > uck-n-a gang... I propose this as the support we give POE for the tour. > > Get her name in some press. > > > > > > > > > > Let's keep our chin up. > > > > LOL, Jarrod...U are almost proposing mutiny. I like it. I definetly think > that We need to get down to the bottom of this. Its as if POE says one > thing...and then we are told another thing..by the very people who 'control > access' to her..... > I got an idea: > Why not begin MEET N GREETS...A'la Tori Amos...I went to my first one after > yrs of wanting to, and it was such an amazing experience...waiting, chatting > with fans, getting to see her as she went in the building for the soundcheck. > They are small venues... > We can incorporate the before AP to occur within it!...Say,We meet up > before, at the doors, nice and calm;) and then after, it should still be 2-3 > hrs before the show, and we all go to dinner? > > Anyone? I am willing to help cordinate for NY!:) > PSYCHOS UNITE!!! > Sharmie;),,,mew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 23:02:25 -0500 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: RE: MEET AND GREETS Hmm, what about organizing a bunch of people to show up wearing nothing but Poe balls? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Cyberfan Corporation Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 12:15 AM To: JewlyaINAP@aol.com Cc: Angry-Psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: MEET AND GREETS > Anyone? I am willing to help cordinate for NY!:) > PSYCHOS UNITE!!! > Sharmie;),,,mew > now that's what I'm talkin' about!!! and be funny... getting arrested for washing a bus on a city street... hahaha now that would make the papers. THE WHEEL IN THE SKY KEEPS ON TURNIN' I don't know where I'll be tomorrow. isn't that JOURNEY? dude... get a job. *************************************************** JK/// Jarrod Kniff President - Cyberfan Corporation jarrod@cyberfan.com *************************************************** "One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preparation." -- Arthur Ashe *************************************************** "I hope you consider yourself a beautiful person, I do. To determine this, I closed my eyes and opened my heart." -- Jarrod Kniff *************************************************** On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 JewlyaINAP@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/6/01 7:15:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, > cyberfan@ns1.indigi.net writes: > > > > uck-n-a gang... I propose this as the support we give POE for the tour. > > Get her name in some press. > > > > > > > > > > Let's keep our chin up. > > > > LOL, Jarrod...U are almost proposing mutiny. I like it. I definetly think > that We need to get down to the bottom of this. Its as if POE says one > thing...and then we are told another thing..by the very people who 'control > access' to her..... > I got an idea: > Why not begin MEET N GREETS...A'la Tori Amos...I went to my first one after > yrs of wanting to, and it was such an amazing experience...waiting, chatting > with fans, getting to see her as she went in the building for the soundcheck. > They are small venues... > We can incorporate the before AP to occur within it!...Say,We meet up > before, at the doors, nice and calm;) and then after, it should still be 2-3 > hrs before the show, and we all go to dinner? > > Anyone? I am willing to help cordinate for NY!:) > PSYCHOS UNITE!!! > Sharmie;),,,mew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:02:26 EST From: JewlyaINAP@aol.com Subject: Re: mean management In a message dated 11/6/01 7:47:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, usscvn65@frontiernet.net writes: > I recall with a chuckle, POE meeting with us in Toronto after her set, > out > in the food court, because they wouldn't allow AP's into any area with POE, > and while she was signing stuff and talking with her fans, Craig kept > ticking off > the time, which POE completely would not hear, talking right over him, > rolling > her eyes, pretty much a very sharp CONTRAST to the vibes we get from her > "official" helpers... > May I ask, why Poe keeps Craig in his position? at least in relation with the fans??? He may be a great tour manager....but as far as PR, he aint too hot, i get the picture. Maybe her own, mover;) I know her schedual cant be that full that he would always be so curt. How about: Hey guys. hey poe....hate to do this, but u got an apt in 5 min? Something? Looks like her handlers must like biting the hands that feed them. Our hands. Her hands.... the little elves hands...Um, not that one... Sharmel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 20:03:07 -0800 From: bash Subject: Re: mean management Litesneeze@aol.com wrote: > > I have no idea if Craig is the one that was rushing her along on the last > tour, but all I know is whomever the other guy was kinda upset me. I mean, > POE really wanted to stay after to talk to some of the fans. She's very > fan-oriented. She was lingering with us and smiling and laughing and then all > of a sudden, this guy comes out of nowhere and pushes POE along while > repeatedly saying "Come on Annie. We're going to be late. We have to go > now..." yadda, yadda yadda. I felt really bad for her. Maybe it's just me. > ~Scott This seems to be part of the biz after a while. I can't count how many times I've been with a gaggle of Todd Rundgren fans, chatting with the goofball himself, until his jerko manager Eric Gardiner came along pulled the same "come ON, Taaaaaaaawd" routine. Are all managers jerks, or is this some game to create a "big star, but still trying to be humble" aura around the star... (Long long time ago, Paul Fishkin was championing Todd's cause in the business. I recently had a chance to chat with Todd, and mentioned Poe. He said, "Oh, Fishkin's project!") Bash ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 20:05:30 -0800 From: "Tim Dube" Subject: Re: Shattered Dreams Ok with a show of hands please who misses the hello tour days??? I sure do!!!! None the less I'm going to 4 shows.... tim may - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Notajunkie" To: "sp00k@poe.org" , "angie" , Subject: Shattered Dreams Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:49:53 -0500 I'm sorry, I just get REALLY pissed when artists give they impression of "I'm too special to not talk to my fans..." I understand time is a constrant, yes...but a simple non-stage acknowledgement is all I ask...even if it is just a "I'm really tired...but thanks guys" after the show... I just always felt connected to Poe through her music, yes...and I've been an AP dreaming of the days I could FINALLY get to see Poe in person, and to get to speak to her.....That dream, and that hope is why I stayed an AP for so long.....and I guess, If I go this concert, and it ends being like everyother concert I've gone to, I will feel REALLY let down...I became an AP, and love Poe because of her interaction and directness with all her fans... I guess maybe I'm afraid that after 4 yrs, and the fact I'm driving 4 hrs (probally by myself), I still won't EVER get the chance to meet Poe, and I guess that makes me a bit bitter... "Don't you mess with a little (boys) dreams. Cause he's liable to grow up mean..." But then If I've been living under a dillusion all these years, then maybe...........I don't know I'll shut-up now...At least I'll get to meet other APs.... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:09:29 EST From: JewlyaINAP@aol.com Subject: Re: MEET AND GREETS Sounds great... I second it, and really, if U have the courage, I delegate you to lead....I dont have the courage to go out in the nekked with only my < poe> balls out;) Sharmel In a message dated 11/6/01 8:02:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, hunsin_e@denison.edu writes: > > Hmm, what about organizing a bunch of people to show up wearing nothing but > Poe balls? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Cyberfan Corporation > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 12:15 AM > To: JewlyaINAP@aol.com > Cc: Angry-Psychos@smoe.org > Subject: Re: MEET AND GREETS > > > > > Anyone? I am willing to help cordinate for NY!:) > > PSYCHOS UNITE!!! > > Sharmie;),,,mew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 23:17:43 EST From: EXej@aol.com Subject: Fwd: AP Meets - Act II - --------------- This message is a Public Service Announcement brought to you by ShellE Productions. For more information, including the Poe discography, the Idiot's Guide to the House of Leaves and lots of other amazing material, check out www.shelle.org Return-Path: Received: from rly-xd05.mx.aol.com (rly-xd05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.170]) by air-xd03.mail.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINXD34-1106225629; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 22:56:29 -0500 Received: from ns1.indigi.net (ns1.indigi.net [206.80.217.162]) by rly-xd05.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXD53-1106225609; Tue, 06 Nov 2001 22:56:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (cyberfan@localhost) by ns1.indigi.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA17077 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 05:15:11 GMT Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 05:15:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation To: EXej@aol.com Subject: Re: AP Meets - Act II In-Reply-To: <48.1498f94.291a06c8@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) hahaha you gotta repost that line to the whole list. *************************************************** JK/// Jarrod Kniff President - Cyberfan Corporation jarrod@cyberfan.com *************************************************** "One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preparation." -- Arthur Ashe *************************************************** "I hope you consider yourself a beautiful person, I do. To determine this, I closed my eyes and opened my heart." -- Jarrod Kniff *************************************************** On Tue, 6 Nov 2001 EXej@aol.com wrote: > I'm not so good at washing vehicles Jarrod, but I'm all for a nice AP human > chain around the bus to protect Poe from angry Psychos.... > > > --------------- > This message is a Public Service Announcement brought to you by ShellE > Productions. For more information, including the Poe discography, the > Idiot's Guide to the House of Leaves and lots of other amazing material, > check out www.shelle.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 20:22:34 -0800 (PST) From: Miki Proud Subject: Poe shows-SLC and Denver - --- K3285@aol.com wrote: > > So to anyone who as gone to the shows, what do you > think of Think Of England? > Do they have a good sound? Should I make sure I > get to the show in time to > see their set? > > Melissa Think of England were absolutely incredible! Make sure you show up in time to see them! Also, I just got back from the shows in SLC and Denver (18 hour drive home, and I managed to rack up 400 bucks in speeding tickets), and she absolutely rocked! To all you psychos saying Poe doesn't care about us anymore, listen to what happened at the shows I went to. First off, at the SLC show I was all the way up front (I started standing in line 3 hours before doors opened). I hadn't seen or had any contact with Poe since the Depeche Mode show in August, but she not only recognized me as soon as she walked out on stage, she also came running over, gave me a hi-five, and said, "Hey Miki! You made it! Yay!" She remebered my name and everything, I was on cloud nine. Then she dedicated Beautiful Girl to me and my sister Radon and pulled us up on stage to dance with her during the break, along with about five other girls. She crowd surfed somewhere around five times, she ran all over the theatre singing with audience members, and she kissed Jeff (humanjunk) on the cheek when he handed her back her portable monitor that she lost while crowd surfing. Another psycho (Renee, I think) brought her a t-shirt and had all of us sign it. She handed it to her in the middle of her set, and she not only accepted it with much gratitude, she put it on over the shirt she was already wearing, and wore it throughout the rest of the show. At the end of the show Nate came over and handed me his drumsticks. So I thought that there was no way Denver could be better, but I was wrong. First I got a call from Angie in my hotel room at around one in the morning letting me know I'd won the Poeparazzi pass. We headed out to Denver on practically no sleep, and ended up getting there around three o clock. Anyways, we were hopelessly lost looking for the Bluebird Theatre, so we went to Walgreens to find a phone book. When we got there and ran into the girl who was selling T-shirts in SLC (who remembered us), and Darrus, Poe's guitar player. We gave them a ride back to the venue, and when we pulled up (about five hours before the show started) Poe was just standing on the street corner talking to a couple of psychos. We parked and headed over to where she was standing. She was seriously excited to see us, gave us all hugs, let us take pictures, and sat and chatted with us for over an hour. She was an absolute sweetheart (as always) and only got back on the tour bus when her manager came in and told her she had to go get ready. About an hour later myself and the other press pass winner were let into soundcheck where she signed a bunch of stuff for us, and was just absolutely wonderful. Once the concert started she once again pulled me and my sister (and about five other girls) up on stage for Beautiful Girl, and gave us all a big group hug after the song was over. She was her usual energetic self throughout the whole show, hanging with the audience and giving the best performance I've ever seen from any musician. Then during Hey Pretty she let about 15 audience members up on stage (myself and my sister included) and danced with us. I DANCED WITH POE! When the song ended she told us all to have a seat on stage, and proceded to do 5 and 1/2 Minute Hallway with all of us still sitting up there. After the song she blew us all kisses and shook our hands and ran off stage (as it was the closing number). Anyway, the audience started going nuts clapping and screaming for an encore, and she came out and did the most kick-ass version of Chokin the Cherry I've ever heard. After the show she went straight back to her hotel to get some sleep, but we got to hang with her whole band for about an hour. They signed our passes, shirts, tickets, whatever anyone had, and were just overall extremely cool. So anyhow, I don't want to hear any more bullshit about Poe not caring about us! She adores her fans, and treats us wonderfully. Everytime she talks to us it takes her manager at least 20 minutes to drag her away. She is the best performer I've ever seen, and she truly does adore all of us. You guys should really be more grateful that our favorite musician is such a friendly and caring person. Most rock stars could give a rat's ass about their fans, but Poe has shown her dedication to us over and over again. Quit yer bitchin and appreciate how much she does for us. Much Love Miki ===== I dreamt tomorrow had a prettier face... Let the angels grace the land, for I have held you in my hand. And right there for a minute, I knew you so well ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 23:24:31 EST From: JaunasAddiccion@aol.com Subject: PR: POE-litics (was a whole slew of topics) Okay, i'm as pissed as anyone, but as we go through our own little rantsa bout the crap being pulled on us, it's slightly important to remember a few ideas here: - -"Hey everybody, when you talk the talk ya gotta back it on up, can ya talk the talk?... .Don't wanna measure my life to the tick of a clock I wanna walk to the beat of my own drums... So we're supposed to believe that the SAME PERSON WHO WROTE THESE LYRICS IS THE SAME ONE WHO IS TOO BUSY TO MEET WITH HER FANS?????? that sounds like the management and record company trying to convince us that she has forsaken us (many of you far more than me as i am fairly new here) that just doesn't make any sense to me though... call it my childlike ignorance if you'd like, but if you say it to my face, you'll get a little surprise. I met the members of many bands who were ALL very busy touring nonstop insupport of new albums and NOT ONE of them said anything about being too busy...not the members of Underworld, not Moby, not even Kurt Cobain... if Angie is supposed to be coordinating things between the APs and Poe, why would she be trying so hard to get us all angry (to live up to the name Angry Psycho?)? Perhaps she's just mentioning the shirt thing as a reminder to us all that Poe started it herself, and that, perhaps while not all of this crap is in her control, it seems like that to us because that's who we get the info from...just a subtle little reminder perhaps? forced by the higher-ups? who knows, and we may never. I joined this list because I love Poe's music. She is incredibly talented and I'd hate to see her lose the contract and end up another talent gone to waste because of mismanagement and uncontrolled crap. i wanna stop this rant short before i go buck-nutty and earn the title Psycho Psycho, so i'll cut through the crap and get right to it. To those in charge: We KNOW you're just doing your job, Poe (unfortunately) isn't the most popular artist in the world, but it makes no sense to sacrifice the existing fan base in order to create a new one...if ther eis a drastic image change as a last-ditch attempt to bring Poe to the "masses" let me warn you: it's nt gonna work, those who were there from the beginning will remember and whoel responsible those who are in charge of it. It has been suggested that she may be marketed as a sex symbol. That's horrible, sure, sex sells, but it is rarely used in place of talent. If the marketing strategy is sex, the product usually doesn't live past that point because of the social stigmatism brought about by creating sex symbols out of everyone who can be made one. Look at the past, and learn from it. Kurt Cobain was pissed off because he had to change his bad's message when they "caught on" he felt like a sell out, he could no longer sit in his shed and play his take of Meatpuppet albums for whoever would listen he wasn't a sex symbol, sure. But look at Marylin Monroe (how did she die?)...can you truly say that Marylin Monroe was pleased with her sex appeal? Yes, can you say that she was pleased with being marketed solely using herself as a sex symbol? Not if you sleep well at night and have a firm grip on reality. If this is the case, I warn you PLEASE DON'T DO IT! while the fans are cheering on this tour "Yay! small intimate venues!" I kow you must be thinking "Low overhead, we can do nothing BUT make money on this tour...especially cosponsered by Pantene..." It takes such a small amount of ticket, merch & record sales to pay an artists contract...you can buy CD's for less than half a penny and market them in your current manner (what is it now...put them on the shelves and pray?) for an average cost of $1.00 maybe a little bit more because you have to pay shipping fees ansd gas prices have gone up... To APs and non-AP fans everywhere (even though the non-AP's won't be reading this...): These people make their (lucrative) living in selling Poe to the people. these types of people have the biggest history of errors in their record books (Bigger Than Jesus ring a bell to anyone?) but we cannot judge the actions properly until we are certain at to wether or not they're actions have succeeded, or led to yet another case where an artist is "rediscovered" down the road, and the press is left to say "____ used to have a contract, big fan base, all that, but was just ahead of their time." That's probably, however, what we are faced with here... this tour has all the feeling of "do or die" written all over it. Perhaps the reason that Poe has been "ignoring" us is that she knows something...cathartic? is to come of this tour and cannot tell us. has she played any new songs on the tour? will she? just two more thoughts, bear with me, they'll be entertaining: "A terrible thought can have a terribly long career" "Just because your paranoid, don't mean they're not after you" okay, that's my half-cent, call me a fool, a jerk, a cynic, even an idiot if you must, but don't EVER call me late for dinner. - ---tinfoil dan PS: Detroit AP Meet: Nov. 10, 7:00 Niki's restaurant in Detroit...unless someone has a better time and can respond quickly... ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #496 ***********************************