From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #466 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Thursday, October 18 2001 Volume 06 : Number 466 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Correction on videotaping at SLC!!!! [Dan98908@aol.com] POE in Chicago [Jim Sullivan ] Re: POE in Chicago [Dan98908@aol.com] Poe's opener for the Cinci gig [KrodKnid@aol.com] Keep up the requests! [mark alec ] Re: wtmx-- vote poe - kinda cheating??? [Tammy ] angry psycho web page ["Oona ***" ] Sleeping place [name ] Re: POE in Chicago [Miki Proud ] Re: POE in Chicago [Jim Sullivan ] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #465 ["D T" ] PR:mp3 help ["Jess" ] Re: VERY PR:Beyond the computer(PLEASE READ) [Rachel Proud ] Denver APs [Rachel Proud ] Re: POE in Chicago [bash ] Re: Yay, we get to see Poe!!! [Dan98908@aol.com] PR- Taking Photos at up coming shows [Leigh Wetterau ] Re: dan [Trueluhv2000@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:33:21 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Correction on videotaping at SLC!!!! In a message dated 10/17/2001 11:25:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, plexor@dhp.com writes: > > This is awesome for all AP's now if only I owned a video cam :) > > On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 Dan98908@aol.com wrote: > Oops!!!!! Let me clarify... they will be letting "us" as an organization videotape, not as individuals. Tony C in St. Louis, Susan Rosen in Portland, and Jason in DC do most of the tapes we have so far. These tapes are then made available for AP events. We are working on a way to get individual copies available, but that will be MUCH more complicated from a licensing and permissions standpoint. If you want to, and can videotape an event, let me know and I will try to get the permissions for you. There are a LOT of hoops that have to be jumped thru, especially for televised events. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:46:00 -0700 From: Jim Sullivan Subject: POE in Chicago I am unbelievably pissed off right now. Not only am I having an incredibly bad day, but then I came home to find out that Poe's concert in Chicago is at a place where you must be 21 in order to get in. This is so incredibly shitty. I am turning 21 half a month after the concert! So I can't go. Just when I thought things couldn't get any worse. GRRRRRRRRR Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:50:19 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: POE in Chicago In a message dated 10/17/2001 11:46:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jmsullivan@students.wisc.edu writes: > I am unbelievably pissed off right now. Not only am I having an > incredibly bad day, but then I came home to find out that Poe's concert > in Chicago is at a place where you must be 21 in order to get in. This > is so incredibly shitty. I am turning 21 half a month after the > concert! So I can't go. Just when I thought things couldn't get any > worse. GRRRRRRRRR > > Jim > Check with the venue to make sure it is 21+ Club DV8 is usually 21+ but they are blocking off the upstairs area for the bar and that is 21+ but downstairs is all ages. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:56:52 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Poe's opener for the Cinci gig Look what I found at p-o-e.com:-) http://www.p-o-e.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=1 Think Of England won a contest sponsored by Pantene for girls 14-24 who are songwriters/performers, and part of the prize package was to tour. They are not yet signed to a major label. We'll see what happens......... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:21:50 -0700 (PDT) From: mark alec Subject: Keep up the requests! Along with voting for poe across the net, don't forget to keep requesting wild as well! so far, i've done internet requests at woxy and wtmx. i called wxeg (in dayton) vinnie there said he'd play wild for me! the dayton number is 937.457.1039 ok.. that's my latest update. hey, on a tour note, who all is going to the bogarts concert in cincinnati? should we meet up somewhere before hand? ===== mark alec http://www.worldofalec.org/ alec@poe.org the no-quote signature.. Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:23:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammy Subject: Re: wtmx-- vote poe - kinda cheating??? If you delete the cookie named: administrator@wtmx.txt (it may have a #1 or 2 after it) then close and reopen your browser you can vote again, you may also need to clear your history. - -tammy - --- mark alec wrote: > if we bombard this page > with "loved it" (you have options to pick from: > > here's the link: > > http://www.wtmx.com/tech/mxtest/iplaylist.php > > go there! now! vote poe! Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:09:33 -0700 From: "Michael Allison" Subject: Re: wtmx-- vote poe - kinda cheating??? as far as deleting cookies... I would be careful... it is cheating, and... I'm with a group who clicks on EcologyFund.com and a group was doing that, deleting cookies and such, and someone ratted them out (there are ALWAYS sensitive people...ugh) and they lost like half of their clicks... I don't know if that would really work in this situation though, since there is no organized grouping... Michael http://smileyllama.20m.com/poe/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:19:45 -0700 From: "Michael Allison" Subject: NPR: List technical question... hey everyone, I'm a part of another mailing list, and there's an option to not receive emails from yourself. Like if I send a message to the list, it won't send it to me, since *duh* I'm the author and don't care what I, myself, have to say. Is there such an option on this list? Thanks, Michael http://smileyllama.20m.com/poe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:58:30 -0400 From: jpj032686@yahoo.com Subject: Lennon - Invitation i-squad This is your Official Invitation to Join the Lennon i-squad! Jenna wanted to Invite you to Join the Official i-squad Street Team. It will only take you a few seconds . . . but you'll soon find out that it's well worth it - thats why Jenna wanted to invite you! WHAT DO I GET? Up to the minute News about your favorite artists! Exclusive Pics, Sneak Previews of Music & Videos before anyone else! PLUS!!! The coolest Rewards! - Points you accumulate by helping your favorite artists get you Entry into exclusive Contests, Sweepstakes and a whole lot more! 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Lennon wants YOU Now! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:39:25 EDT From: LadyMsThang@aol.com Subject: NPR: Jane's Addiction...NYC!! ok, for all the Jane's Addiction fans...FINALLY i was able to see these boys. unfortunatly, like usual, Eric Avry was not there so it was still lacking somethiing special for me. Yes, i went to the MSG show on Monday night and my god, i've never seen a show like this. Now, i've seen great concerts, amazing shows, but visually this one was off the charts (does anyone use that expression anymore? oh well). At first, all because of what's going on around here, my mother tried to tell me not to go on the train to Penn Station. I told her, too bad i've been waiting to see them for years, missed every concert that was around here, until monday. Live opened for them and even did an amazing job, i think i was just blown away with it all. Live did a very emotional version of "Imagine" and their own songs, all acoustic set ending with "Overcome". But, i drooled my way through the Jane's set because, well, i've had a crush, no no no, I've been OBSESSED with Dave Navarro since I was a teeny weeny child and to see him run around and play those old songs...yum. but anyhoo. ok, i know i just babbled and yeah i know this is a Poe list, but i had to share my night with some of you Jane's Addiction, or Live fans. So there you have it. Lady ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:53:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammy Subject: Re: wtmx-- vote poe - kinda cheating??? i've been making sure to vote for other bands too, so they don't see a bombardment of poe only votes, that might look weird. - -tammy - --- Michael Allison wrote: > > as far as deleting cookies... I would be careful... > it is cheating, and... Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:54:07 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: p+E tour dates In a message dated 10/17/01 3:56:51 AM Central Daylight Time, cyberfan@ns1.indigi.net writes: > "THE ONLY GOOD DAY IS YESTERDAY" > > There is so much truth to that, change is such a pain in the ass. ~*~ Burning inside (i cross myself it doesn't help) because I'm not smart enough (digging into hot white) learning not to lie (we cross it out and stay away) another sonic life~ Sonic Youth ~*~ I can't get laid cuz everyone is dead~ Sonic Youth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:55:44 +0000 From: "Rita Bass" Subject: VPR: getting along and shouting Poe from rooftops well...here is my happy penny on this whole matter...I agree with the fact that we need to let this situation go. This situation affected Dan alot and Dan has moved past it...can't we all just get along? We need to support Poe and all the people who are there and here for her. Angie may not post here alot, but I am sure that when she gets info, we are on her quick address to post it. We need to remember, we are not here just for ourselves or for Dan; we are here for Poe and also to perhaps share her music with as many of the masses as we can reach. United, we are stonger and able to accomplish this task at hand; divided, there is no use in us even going there, because we will not be able to be as effective. So, in closing, I think that it is great that we have a contact person who is indeed close to Poe and that Dan is still a part of this list and that we will come out of this whole scenario stonger and more dedicated to the cause ;P Rita and (i am not even going to mention them :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:56:18 EDT From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com Subject: Re: Hopping mad! Grrrrrrr! Well I hold off my rage till more dates come out and there better be one that says ANCHORAGE ALASKA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:40:02 EDT From: JaunasAddiccion@aol.com Subject: NPR: Jane's Addiction - Detroit As anyone may guess by my name, i like jane's addiction, and I have my floor seats to the show...problem is, I may have an extra one available...if there is anyone interested, email me personally and let me know, it's best if you will be in the area, we can meet somewhere either at or before the show time/date, since it's on saturday and I REALLY don't wanna mail anything i don't have to... here's the deal: one of my best friends in the world wants to go, but she's having a hard time getting the day off from work, if she can't go, which i hope to know tomorrow for sure, I have the extra ticket. i'm only gonna say this once, and I'm only asking what i paid (it IS a $50 ticket though). anyone interested, email me privately and i'll let you know...this is first come first served. - ---tinfoil dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:11:16 -0500 From: "Oona ***" Subject: RE: Poe advance tickets in SLC!!! dan, you are awsome...now if i only lived somewhere near there :( she had better come back to texas-preferably houston....and if she does i can spare my floor for about 2-3 people.... thats all for now toodles tara p.s. if she does come to houston, or tx for that matter, i have a huge list of houston APs so i will for sure plan a get together for the show that will for sure happen this time :) > >Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:01:44 EDT >From: Dan98908@aol.com >Subject: Poe advance tickets in SLC!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:20:08 -0500 From: "Oona ***" Subject: angry psycho web page ok, i have a questionnnn....well its more of a suggestion now that i think about it, but anyways... on the angry psycho web page- ya know the one with the psycho ward in it...who ever is in charge (i dont know who it is, sorry) should update the AP get together section...i meant to mention this when the DM tour started, but nothing has been added to it since, well for a while i think. and i know there were some AP get togethers during the DM tour...and well its just an idea. also, is there any way you can update your profile in the ward? i admitted myself in like 99, so it could stand to be updated. thanks toodles tara _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:17:32 -0400 From: name Subject: Sleeping place I am not sure on this right now, but I might be able to take in like 3 or 4 people who are going to the Cleveland show that need to sleep before getting back on the road. I will have to clear it with the other members of my house, but this might be handy if you are coming from like PA or East of Cleveland, as I live about 30 minutes East of Cleveland. If there is anybody interested, I will set things in motion and get right back to you about if you can sleep at my house. Psycho Love, CloudSurfer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:14:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Miki Proud Subject: Re: POE in Chicago Now would be the time to get a fake ID buddy. Or just drive to an all ages show. I'm making an eight hour trek to see her in SLC, another eight for the following night in Denver, and then 16 hours to get home. Or maybe you could just bring a scantilly clad girl and have her bat her eyelashes at security. - --- Jim Sullivan wrote: > > I am unbelievably pissed off right now. Not only am > I having an > incredibly bad day, but then I came home to find out > that Poe's concert > in Chicago is at a place where you must be 21 in > order to get in. This > is so incredibly shitty. I am turning 21 half a > month after the > concert! So I can't go. Just when I thought things > couldn't get any > worse. GRRRRRRRRR > > Jim ===== I dreamt tomorrow had a prettier face... Let the angels grace the land, for I have held you in my hand. And right there for a minute, I knew you so well Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:21:29 -0700 From: Jim Sullivan Subject: Re: POE in Chicago I'm not going to waste money on a fake when I would only be using it for a few more weeks, and I don't have transportation to another show. I don't understand why Poe can't have concerts at places where people of all ages can attend. Miki Proud wrote: >Now would be the time to get a fake ID buddy. Or just >drive to an all ages show. I'm making an eight hour >trek to see her in SLC, another eight for the >following night in Denver, and then 16 hours to get >home. Or maybe you could just bring a scantilly clad >girl and have her bat her eyelashes at security. > >--- Jim Sullivan wrote: > >>I am unbelievably pissed off right now. Not only am >>I having an >>incredibly bad day, but then I came home to find out >>that Poe's concert >>in Chicago is at a place where you must be 21 in >>order to get in. This >>is so incredibly shitty. I am turning 21 half a >>month after the >>concert! So I can't go. Just when I thought things >>couldn't get any >>worse. GRRRRRRRRR >> >>Jim >> > > >===== >I dreamt tomorrow had a prettier face... > >Let the angels grace the land, for I have held you in my hand. > >And right there for a minute, I knew you so well >Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. >http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:34:02 From: "D T" Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #465 PLEASE LET IT BE TEXAS!!! I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE POE AGAIN!!! >Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 07:43:53 -0500 >From: Jennifer Cook >Subject: RE: POE TOUR DATES!!!!! Yeah!!!!! > >YES!!! YES!!! TEXAS!!! TEXAS!!! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lance.kinney@amd.com [mailto:lance.kinney@amd.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 4:59 PM > To: Dan98908@aol.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: RE: POE TOUR DATES!!!!! Yeah!!!!! > > > *** Come on, Texas!!! *** > > (Note: That was a cheer of encouragement for Poe to appear >at a Texas performance, not a command for the perverted minds out there ;-D >) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:39:18 -0500 From: "Jess" Subject: PR:mp3 help Can anyone help me get some of Poe's cover songs and other ones not on Hello or Haunted? Ftps are such a pain and I haven't been able to find any mp3s of songs not on either of her albums on the web except A Rose is a Rose, My Lips are Sealed and Strange Wind and I think I got those from hours of messing with ftps but I was desperate :) I had to have more Poe! Jess ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:48:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Rachel Proud Subject: Re: VERY PR:Beyond the computer(PLEASE READ) - --- BluesyBear@aol.com wrote: > I agree. I love Poe's music, and after meeting her after a show, I think she's an awesome person too. That's why I'm on this list, although I do like being a part of an elite well anything too. That just makes it even more fun. Lots of love, Rachel I know if I don't swim I'm already drowning > I think, (and have thought this for a very long > time).....that we get way too > wrapped up in e-mails, WEBSITES, and chats. Hello > people? Aren't we Poe > fans because of her MUSIC? My love for Poe goes way > beyond the "internet." > What attracted me to Poe in the first place was this > emotional INTENSE > feeling I got when I listened to her music more and > more. I immediately > become obsessed with knowing everything about her > and wanting to be as close > to her as possible....but when I listen to her music > it takes me to another > place...far away from this computer bullshit. > Sometimes I wonder why people > on this list are really ON this list. I'm not > insulting anyone...but it > seems to me it may be fun for some to be part of a > "cult" following. Of > course I sit here voting for Poe to different radio > stations around the > country, (all but my own most of the time)...and I > check my email everyday > with HIGH hopes of hearing ANY kind of news....and i > also cried my eyes out > for hours when I didn't get to meet her at either > depeche mode > concerts....but the most important thing is knowing > that Poe is a genius > musician/poet and is still doing what she does best. > As long as I have my > Haunted and Hello cd here to listen to > everyday....filling my soul with all > kinds of goodness....it keeps me intact. This goes > out to Dan, Angie, and > WHOEVER else. Just remember why we love Poe in the > first place. Not because > it's fun to be part of an "elite" following...but > because we worship her > music... > Anyway..I'm glad I finally put that into words. > Jill Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:59:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Rachel Proud Subject: Re: Yay, we get to see Poe!!! - --- Dan98908@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/16/2001 5:07:03 PM Pacific > Daylight Time, > spanishdoll1203@yahoo.com writes: > I am really hoping for an AP get together in SLC. It just wouldn't be right to have all of us there, and not hook up. I'm sure someone who lives there would have a better idea of where to meet. Any suggestions guys? Lots of love, Rachel I know if I don't swim I'm already drowning > > > I just have to say that it is great to know when > and > > where I will get to see our queen again. I will be > at > > the Salt Lake show. I can't wait. I will be making > > quite the road trip. All the way from Reno. That's > ok, > > it's definately worth it. Anyone else going to the > > Salt Lake show? Now it is going to take forever > for > > November to get here. Ok, I'm finished rambling > now. > > Lots of love, Rachel > > > > > > We have GOT to have a get together there!!!!! I > will be there for SURE! Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:05:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Rachel Proud Subject: Denver APs Ok, so it looks like after driving 8 hours from Reno to the SLC show, we will be continuing on to Denver. Wow, Poe, twice in 2 days. This will be quite the trip. So, any Aps who live in Denver with an idea of where to meet up for an AP outing. I don't think we're driving back till the next day, but I will have to consult with the rest of my road trip buddies. We get to see Poe!!!! Lots of love, Rachel I know if I don't swim I'm already drowning ===== Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:19:53 -0700 From: bash Subject: Re: POE in Chicago Jim Sullivan wrote: > > I'm not going to waste money on a fake when I would only be using it for > a few more weeks, and I don't have transportation to another show. I > don't understand why Poe can't have concerts at places where people of > all ages can attend. Unfortunately, the artists at Poe's level of popularity are also competing to play the same size places as legacy artists (folks like Todd Rundgren, the Average White Band, etc.). That's a hard category for venues - enough buzz to consider, maybe not enough to make it worth doing for the promoter/venue. To get a place that was about the right size that might pay enough to make it worth it, and on the date they needed to fit the schedule, the may have only had 21+ places to consider. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:22:33 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: Yay, we get to see Poe!!! In a message dated 10/17/2001 5:01:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, spanishdoll1203@yahoo.com writes: > I am really hoping for an AP get together in SLC. It > just wouldn't be right to have all of us there, and > not hook up. I'm sure someone who lives there would > have a better idea of where to meet. Any suggestions > guys? > Lots of love, Rachel > The suggestion has been made to use the Border's across the street, I am trying to set up something for the sound check, but we shall see! No german stalker dudes or DM security this time! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:35:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Leigh Wetterau Subject: PR- Taking Photos at up coming shows Few questions- are AP's allowed to take Photos at up coming shows? Leigh ===== Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 02:20:47 +0000 From: "Rita Bass" Subject: kpr: my theory: deleted bbs postings now here is my take on yet another situation...and angie, correct me if I am wrong but... i noticed and it was confirmed that some postings were deleted from the bbs concerning tours and tiickets...now is it possible that these are being erased to kinda protect AP exclusive stuff by keeping them off the easily accessed site? WE, who are all APs, are still able to read them here, right? so...what, am I right in my theory? Is this truly what is happening? 'cause that is what I think and hope...I mean, Angie's job is all about getting us and the world info, so maybe, in deleting, she is keeping AP exclusive stuff, AP exclusive... Rita ever the dreamer :) ever the giver of that benefit of the doubt ever the one to see the good in all (and I personally think I am right here) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:06:53 -0700 (PDT) From: mark alec Subject: npr, i'm confused... ap ward related hey all.. i visited the psycho ward tonite, because i hadn't been there in a while.. and i didn't find my bio.. but i distinctly remember it being there. has anyone else ever experienced this or am i just weird? k.. so i know i'm weird... but that's beside the point!!! well.. if anyone knows anything, can you let me know? k. thanks. bye for now. ap induction class of 97 ===== mark alec http://www.worldofalec.org/ alec@poe.org the no-quote signature.. Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:44:20 EDT From: Trueluhv2000@aol.com Subject: Re: dan In a message dated 10/16/01 4:09:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, crazy@crazylittle.com writes: > My question is why would Dan feel like he needs to leave, and why does it > seem to me that only bits and pieces of this whole episode have made it to > the list? Can somebody -please- recap? > my thoughts exactly..I may have gone a bit delete crazy and missed something. luhv~n~stuff Carri ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #466 ***********************************