From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #452 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Wednesday, October 10 2001 Volume 06 : Number 452 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Libran Angry Psychos [sorta PR] [Irockedyermom@aol.com] Re: NPR A clear head...... [Onagh Levy ] RE: NPR 'Tis the season.... ["gini ×" ] Re: NPR: October Psychos [UnbrokenVixen@aol.com] RE: NPR pictures [Jennifer Cook ] Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. ["John A. Bell" ] Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... ["John A. Bell" ] Angie's not so bad =) [Peaceofpiedesign@aol.com] Incorporation ["John A. Bell" ] Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... [joe a ] Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... ["John A. Bell" ] Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... [joe a ] Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... ["kelli helbig" > > We should create our own exclusive Libra Angry-Psycho list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 00:54:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Onagh Levy Subject: Re: NPR A clear head...... Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:32:35 -0700 (PDT) From: ndr Subject: Re: NPR A clear head...... >On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Brian Brantley wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, ndr wrote: > Actually, most people were supportive in the beginning of Vietnam. It looked like a quick "police action". And it should have been. We were very close to signing a peace treaty in '64 until Nixon and Kissinger convinced the North Viet. to hold off on signing so that when Nixon is elected he can give them a better deal. Well, things didn't quite work out. ** So you can read a text book and you can rent videos, goody for you. My father served in VietNam, my husband is a Vietnam vet, my Grandfather fought in Korea the forgotten war and the one that was crucial to the build up of events that helped to shape both Government Policy but also the chain of events that led to Vietnam. How do I know this? Because the men that were there, the men who were actually involved told me about it..... often at times relentlessly, but that's how old retired soldiers are. You may not want to discuss Vietnam, but you can not ignore what the SOLDIERS of Vietnam are saying. And in fact I mean all soldiers as well. These same men are now pissed off and ready to kick the shit out of any "rag head" "sand nigger" or "Ay-rab" they can get there hands on. And what fascinates me is how they all say "those (or d'os depending on what part of the country you are) bastards got 6,000 of our guys, we need to get 'em!" They honestly feel that the secretaries, the clerks, the mothers, the fathers, the police men and fire men are all "our guys" crucial members of our team. This is from the guys who were labeled baby killers and were spit on. And yet, they sit here nearly 30 years later and these same guys are ready to fight again for "our team". You're going to tell me these vets, these service men, these heros are wrong? ** > > Just remember that the liberties you have are not shared by ALL people. Do > you think that ANYONE in Afganistan could say the things you are saying and > expect to live? Maybe the Northern alliance is no better than the Taliban. > Should we allow them to stay in power knowing that they support Bin Ladin and > all he stands for? It's about compromise. Maybe we will be fighting the > Norhtern Alliance in ten years. Who else can we support to take over? **This is a poorly prepared statement, you really should be reading RAWA for who the major players are n this war. There are at least 3, four if you count RAWA as it's own agenda. The Taliban created a mortal Foe in RAWA by torturing their women for so long. You'd be surprised the kinds of weapons can be hidden under a burque. ** <> There are many groups within the Afghani culture that are much more open to democracy. The problem is, they are hard to control. The U.S. wants someone in there that they can slap around so that they can build oil pipelines. ** Hello? I can not believe you actually wrote this. I mean seriously, you really have to be kidding me here. Do you drive a car? Take a bus? Ride a train? Travel in aircraft? Can you sort thru your home right now and honestly say you do not possess at least one petroleum related product? Do your friends and aquaintences drive you in their cars? Unless the answer is no, and you walk, or use non-petroleum based modes of transportation and completely avoid petroleum products in your everyday life, your statement comes across as being not only ludicrus, but also highly hypocritical. Watch as more people die. Watch as freedoms erode. Watch as the constitution and bill of rights decay. Watch as speech is squelched. In times like this, you better watch what you say. ** Again, I'm stunned at this response. First, all I can say is Six Thousand. Six Thousand people literally disapeared off the face of the earth, some lucky families have small bits and pieces butt he rest is just dust. Secondly, your estimation of the American People is so very poor. These idiot mad men have screwed up our lives. There is security every where, been to a concert or sporting event recently? I have and it's not scarey or Big-Brother-like.... it's annoying as all hell!! Lines and more lines and then more lines all for the express purpose for a $6 an hour kid can get a good look in my bag. These idiots made this happen, and let me just tell you, the average American is going to get mighty tired of this little security drill real fast. And that is what the idiot mad men hiding out in Afghanistan, Malasia and Eastern Europe have the most to worry about, a pissed off, annoyed American who is denied his or her freedom. And yes, it's all orchestrated, and yes we are being manipulated. But at least the government, or whoever is "in charge", has the decency to show us what it (life) could be like. Trust me, with the holidays coming, people are going to want to commune, got to parties and socials and just BE with other Americans, and talk and discuss freely. Any hint that the freedom of expression is being stepped on, and we will stand up. So in the mean time, I think we should be mindful of what our government is doing, so that we can say ok, that's what's happening. And one more thing... you seem to think that these mad men play by the rules, that they live by the same moral code as you do. Don't fool yourself. They call America the Great Satan, but truly it is these mad men that are truly demons. They will lie, cheat kill, steal, what ever it takes to exort their will on others. Including the forcing of hostages to be held at military installations so they can claim innocent civilian casualties. americans are highly moral people, regardless of their multiple manifestations of faith, these crazy fanatics are not. Cheers O- ===== ********************************************************** YLEO Dist# 405211 http://www.living-magic.com http://members.nbci.com/Onagh33 ********************************************************** Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 04:27:12 -0500 From: "gini ×" Subject: RE: NPR 'Tis the season.... That is very cool of you, Jez... I've been thinking about the exact same thing lately. The whole thing is sad... It's tough being in those type of situations. It's VERY easy to contribute! The news is one way to learn how - usually, they even have their own donation centers. I know for sure that places like Target and Wal-Mart participate in the "Giving Tree" or "Angels" (depending on your area, etc.) programs where you can select a child from the tree (it says their first name, age, their wish, and usually shoe & clothing sizes.) It's really heartbreaking when you see something like "Age 14. Wish: New shoes & CD" or "Age 2. Wish: New Blanket & Jacket" :*( http://www.helping.org/ << They have an extensive list of charities - sorted by type, national, local, etc. Please look. Sincerely, ~Gini > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:59:46 EDT >From: JezebeIlnHeII@aol.com >Subject: NPR 'Tis the season.... > >Hi everyone , > >Ok... I work for a major non-profit organization. With the outpour of >generosity following the attacks on September 11th ( which is a wonderful >thing !! ) local contributing has seriously seen a downslide. Most >contributions have been earmarked for victims of the terrorist attacks. I >find it phenominal that this country has pulled together and opened their >hearts and wallets to help others . However, I am very concerned about the >holidays. My job deals specifically with providing food and gifts to >special >needs families. There are many families out there that cannot provide for >their children monthly.. much less around the holidays. I know we are all >of >many different faiths , but it breaks my heart to think that a child would >go >without during the holiday season. >So here is my plea.... one toy.. and one can of food. It is amazing what >the >collective effort of any group can do. I don't care who you donate it to , >but if you can afford to donate , I can guarantee that you will touch the >life of a child . Teenage gifts are always in high demand. People would >much >prefer to give to a small child. Some great ideas are gift cards, gift >certificates for movies or cd's .. make up .. body spray, bubble bath etc. >There are many organizations out there.. your local church, United Way, The >Salvation Army , Toys For Tots , your local food bank. Most of these >organizations work together in a combined effort to reach more people. > >Just something to think about.... > >~jez _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:46:51 EDT From: UnbrokenVixen@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: October Psychos In a message dated 10/10/2001 1:10:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sugarbaby_25@hotmail.com writes: > Oh yeah, well my birthday is in 22 days on October 31st! Love live > Scorpio AP's! > > je t'aime, > > LB > WHOO HOO, that's right, another spooky birthday, lol. :) So this isn't just a one liner :), I'll ask a question... What is everyone's favorite Halloween/spooky/freak out music? And if you have a favorite movie, that would be cool also. :) Also on POE... I wake up to her every morning {CD alarm clock, LOL}, so the first thing I hear is POE's voice. Not a bad way to start the day, lol. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:01:19 -0500 From: Jennifer Cook Subject: RE: NPR pictures COOL! On both accounts! I absolutely love the tattoo. I've been thinking about getting one myself. I just know that I want to do something different... I have a butterfly on the right side of my lower back (my daughter says it's on my booty), and I wanted to do a theme sort of thing all the way across my back. Maybe in the middle I could have a fairy holding a Poe Ball or something. This would be so much easier if only I could draw!!! Damn me and my lack of artistic ability. Also... KUDOS on the Tori Meet and Greet Photos. How was it? I'm going to the Houston Show on Halloween, and I would absolutely LOVE to meet her. Well, I did get to meet Poe, so here's to going 2 for 2!!!! Later guys! Jenn - -----Original Message----- From: tearinhand [mailto:tearinhand99@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 11:32 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: NPR pictures yeah well i just thought i'd share a picture of my tattoo with everyone http://www.geocities.com/tearinhand99/tattoo.html and here are some really cool Tori Amos pictures I took at the Nashville, Oct 3, 2001 meet and greet http://www.geocities.com/tearinhand99/torinash.html Sara ===== "the sweetest cherry in an apple pie" ~Tori Amos "Wait, I thought I had this down I built all my cages and my hide out I covered all my bases but you you creep in like a whisper I try not to listen but I hear you I don't know just what it is you do but do it again" ~Poe, Amazed http://www.crosswinds.net/~tearinhand99/entry.html ~A Girl and Her Piano~ Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:59:51 -0400 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. - ----- Original Message ----- From: ndr To: John A. Bell Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:47 PM Subject: Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. > > > On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, John A. Bell wrote: > > > Okay, someone isn't paying attention it seems. > > > > First mistake: As Bush has indicated repeatedly, and which the Afghan people > > have confirmed as understood, we are not at war with Afghanistan. > > Massacre, war, police action, enduring freedom. Same difference. More > people will die and more violence will follow. That has a tendency to happen when we're at war. However, that is a price that si to be paid to defend our nation. > > > > Second mistake: We are not rallying the country against us. The Afghan > > people, both here and in Afghanistan, are largely supporting our efforts > > against the terrorist regime that is holding their nation hostage. It is the > > Taliban's fault the Afghan's are starving, not ours. > > > > The people just want a stable government. Many much prefer the Taliban to > the regime that they overthrew, who make up a large portion of the > Northern Alliance. The previous government was responsible for more deaths > than the Taliban. Men forced into wells and hand grenades dropped in. > Cities under seige and killing everybody in it. > > The Northern Alliance cares less about the people than the Taliban does. > They just want power. We have elevated them to the level of courageous > rebels fighting the oppresion of the Taliban. We claim they are the lesser > of 2 evils though I dont' buy it. > > Let us not forgot that we were funding > the Taliban to help in the war on drugs. Let us not forget how many > terrorist regimes we put into power. We did not assist the Taliban into power. The mujaheddin regime in place (which the Taliban overthrew) was the only regime the US had supported, and the reason it did so was because the regime was NOT, as you put, hostile to it's own people. They did their best to start the education machine back up (which they almost did) and to find some way to take care of the country, which had gone through three governements in the previous 30 years. Yes, they want a stable government. NO, they do not want the Taliban. I KNOW Afghans who have been to Afghanistan during the Taliban regime. Do you? > > Third mistake: Our food IS being eaten by the refugees. > > Are we talking refugees or people in Afghanistan? Refugees yeah. But I am > talking about the people within Afghanistan who are living thru another > war, many of which have no idea why they are being bombed. A large portion > have heard about the WTC, but most have no clue as to what is going on. > All they know is that their home is being attacked. The "large portion" you refer to have become refugees, and in the days prior to the attacks, many Afghans were arrested for rousing supposrt of the impending US attacks. Most of the Afghans left in regions of the country are there because they have been dragged from their homes by the Taliban and forced to fight. > > Fourth mistake: The terrorist camps are not tents, but small compounds that > > contain training grounds, courses, etc. > > Most are tent cities. Some are small buildings. But the important point is > the fact that they are mobile. They are made to be easily moved. The > important aspect of these camps is information. You can't control > information with bombs. The bombs are just to satisfy American bloodlust. You're right. It's just to satisfy our bloodlust. Our attacks on anti-aircraft artillery, airports and military camps were also just for the hell of it. Never mind that we did it so that the ground troops would have a safe way in during their mission to find bin Laden, so that LESS LIVES WOULD BE LOST. > > Before you criticize the plan, and the tactics, and the results, know what > > they actually are before coming to your own conclusions. > > > > ALready covered that part. Try it yourself sometime. You sure didn't do a good job of it. Yours was perhaps the least effective response I've seen so far. What do you want the US to do... just sit by and accept that we have become a target? I'm all for peace, but if you have no acceptable alternative to defend our nation from terrorist attacks, then the troops who are fighting so you'll be safe in this country could sure use your support. THEY believe in the cause they're fighting for - our safety. I guess you DON'T care about that. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:02:18 -0400 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... - ----- Original Message ----- From: joe a > > I am in position of being against the war and for the > troops. Which is kinda wacky. I have total respect for > our soldiers, I just hate to see american lives lost > for what I perceive as minimal gains. > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > Hm. Natinal security... minimal gains? You got that Priorities Cap on tight enough? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:09:38 -0400 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. I am officially leaving this thread, as I have heard enough ignorant statements about the mujaheddin regime to fill my house with frustration and laughter for YEARS to come. Thanks for the laughs, ndr. - ----- Original Message ----- From: ndr To: brendles Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 5:14 PM Subject: Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. > > I am in no way saying the Taliban is better. I am just stating that the > ones we are backing are no better and will not stand up for rights any > more than the Taliban. Thousands of women were raped and made slaves under > the previous leadership. > > You have to remember. It is about money. It is about control. > > On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, brendles wrote: > > > Hmmm...at least under the Northern Alliance, women were allowed to work, > > teach, show their faces in public and receive medical care. If you think > > the Taliban is the better of the two options, please visit > > http://pz.rawa.org/rawa/index.html and tell me you still feel the same way. > > > > Bren > > > > > > >The previous government was responsible for more deaths > > > than the Taliban. Men forced into wells and hand grenades dropped in. > > > Cities under seige and killing everybody in it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:05:51 EDT From: Peaceofpiedesign@aol.com Subject: Angie's not so bad =) I realized this morning, as I read my post from yesterday, that my poor choice of words made it sound like I was upset with Angie's role as AP liason. THIS IS NOT THE CASE. For the record, though I am bothered by Dan's messages being erased, I happen to think Angie is doing a bang up job. It is obvious by her posts that she is doing her best to keep up with all the AP banter. I can't even say that, hell, I'm the queen of delete! Anyway, I apologize for my poor choice of words. Besides, she may just love coffee as much as I do! GO ANGIE!!! Julie Oh by the way ... SHIRTS ARE PRINTED!!!! ORDERS THAT DIDN'T SHIP YESTERDAY WILL BE SHIPPING TODAY!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:23:19 -0400 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Incorporation First of all, sorry to all about my poor typing skills this morning. I am a bad typist right after I wake up. On a serious note, though... I really would like to see the articles of incorporation, and receive a copy of my shares. Thanks, Dan. - -jb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:32:46 -0700 (PDT) From: joe a Subject: Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... You mean the hunt for one man, with thousands of soldiers from us is not overkill? Not to mention how much this is going to cost us economically, especially right now when we are about to hit a recession? And you're telling me my priorities are out of whack? Look he needs to be brogught to justice. No argument. But we as a country can also wait. Let's get our act together, get a stable country, THEN let's go play hunt the terrorist. - --- "John A. Bell" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: joe a > > > > > > I am in position of being against the war and for > the > > troops. Which is kinda wacky. I have total respect > for > > our soldiers, I just hate to see american lives > lost > > for what I perceive as minimal gains. > > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > > http://personals.yahoo.com > > > > Hm. Natinal security... minimal gains? > > You got that Priorities Cap on tight enough? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:42:10 -0400 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... > You mean the hunt for one man, with thousands of > soldiers from us is not overkill? Not to mention how > much this is going to cost us economically, especially > right now when we are about to hit a recession? And > you're telling me my priorities are out of whack? Yep, that's what I'm telling you. Especially since you don't quite get it: we are not hunting one man. We are going after the Taliban, bin Laden AND his Al Qaeda network, along with the other groups he spearheaded under the New Islamic Front Against Jews. We are also going after all terrorist groups around the world. > Look he needs to be brogught to justice. No argument. > But we as a country can also wait. Let's get our act > together, get a stable country, THEN let's go play > hunt the terrorist. Did you just read what you said? WAIT?!?! Wait for them to strike again? Are you INSANE?!?! Did you SEE bin Laden's statement after the attack? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:32:37 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: NPR: October Psychos - ----- Original Message ----- From: > WHOO HOO, that's right, another spooky birthday, lol. :) > > So this isn't just a one liner :), I'll ask a question... What is everyone's > favorite Halloween/spooky/freak out music? And if you have a favorite > movie, that would be cool also. :) Music: Theme to the "Exorcist" AKA "Tubular Bells" by Mike Ofield, I have owned multiple copies over they years... Of course "Haunted" and "The Monster Mash" come to mind. Movie: The original release of "The Other" to scare the hell out of ya "Hollywood Knights" Perhaps the best "coming of age" "changing times" "car" "boy gets girl" "sound track" movie I have ever seen, an absolute MUST and of course Rocky Horror Picture Show. b00 sp00k etc ... ======================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:09:20 -0700 (PDT) From: joe a Subject: Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... Sir, if you honestly believe we are targetting the Taliban specifically, you are sadly mistaken. Al-Qaeda yes, taliban no. Just happens they are collateral damage. And I want to point out in my earlier post: Let's get our act together, get a stable country, THEN let's go play hunt the terrorist. That means in addition to rebuilding, we strengthen internal security. Future terrorist attacks will occur: there is no way around that, especially with how big our borders. We will never EVER be 100% secure: to think that is pure naivete. So think again before you spout off, or at least get the full context of what I was saying. I would have been glad to clarify my statement, but instead you react with anger when I try to approach this logically. And yes I am in favor of waiting. There is no place for these motherf*****s to hide now. The tide has turned in our favor. So let's take the time to rebuild ourselves, make America stronger inside, then exact justice, not vengeance. - --- "John A. Bell" wrote: > > > > > You mean the hunt for one man, with thousands of > > soldiers from us is not overkill? Not to mention > how > > much this is going to cost us economically, > especially > > right now when we are about to hit a recession? > And > > you're telling me my priorities are out of whack? > > Yep, that's what I'm telling you. Especially since > you don't quite get it: > we are not hunting one man. We are going after the > Taliban, bin Laden AND > his Al Qaeda network, along with the other groups he > spearheaded under the > New Islamic Front Against Jews. We are also going > after all terrorist groups > around the world. > > > Look he needs to be brogught to justice. No > argument. > > But we as a country can also wait. Let's get our > act > > together, get a stable country, THEN let's go play > > hunt the terrorist. > > Did you just read what you said? > > WAIT?!?! > > Wait for them to strike again? Are you INSANE?!?! > Did you SEE bin Laden's > statement after the attack? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:09:53 -0400 From: "kelli helbig" Subject: Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... OK! I don't normally respond to these sorts of things because basically it's like this. Opinions are like a$$holes everyone has one. BUT in this case I feel its necessary. I'm 18 years old and never in my wildest dreams did I ever think I would live to see a war. At least I hoped I wouldn't. When this whole thing started all I heard from people was "Lets go bomb the f'ers" when we didn't even know WHO it was. Now I'm hearing "no no don't bomb them it's only one person" my response is this: how exactly did 1 person crash 4 airplanes? America has just let terrorist attacks slide but this was more than just a terrorist attack they made everyone in this country grieve in a matter of a couple of hours. One man did not do that I'm sorry if you think that but your wrong. It's already been said that we're not going after just one person ..it's been said because it's true. No I don't particularly LIKE the idea of having a war but sometimes you have to do what's right. Let me put it to you this way for all you people who are against the war: I walk up to you and punch you in the face. You get up and go to hit me and I say whoa wait a minute.. using violence against me is wrong. you agree and dont hit me.. now.. i punch you in the face again. you get up and go to hit me again i say whoa dont do that.. Now..im going to keep doing this until you finally realize that sometimes you have to use violence against violence.. its the same thing here. I am not in favor of a war i think its rediculous but sometimes its just needed and i think that right now its needed. And you can flame me all you want but you won't get anywhere. I just want to know why is it that everyone now is saying "no no don't go to war" when a few weeks ago all i heard from everyone i talked to was "BOMB THE FUCKERS KILL THEM ALL" and thats all for my $.02 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:24:52 -0400 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... > Sir, if you honestly believe we are targetting the > Taliban specifically, you are sadly mistaken. Al-Qaeda > yes, taliban no. Just happens they are collateral > damage. Hrm. Guess all those Taliban targets were just accidents. Oops. > how big our borders. We will never EVER be 100% > secure: to think that is pure naivete. When did I say we'd be 100% secure? The naivete lies with thinking that it's okay for us to wait while bin Laden and al Qaeda have something up their sleeves already. While you're busy "waiting", our government is taking care of the problem. > So think again before you spout off, or at least get > the full context of what I was saying. I would have > been glad to clarify my statement, but instead you > react with anger when I try to approach this > logically. How easily you assume my anger. It was more incredulity at what you had said. In fact, I'm still a little surprised. Wait... heh. Good one. And I DO think before I spout off. I have been staying informed as best I can, which is more than I can say for you, since you honestly believe that we aren't attacking Taliban targets. > And yes I am in favor of waiting. There is no place > for these motherf*****s to hide now. The tide has > turned in our favor. So let's take the time to rebuild > ourselves, make America stronger inside, then exact > justice, not vengeance. Sure. Rebuild those targets! Give them something else to knock down! And yes, there is plenty of places for those "motherf*****s" to hide... so we're getting them now, before they have a chance to go anywhere. This IS exacting justice. I suppose you were aginst Reagan's bombing of Khaddafi when he even MENTIONED terrorizing the US... funny how he never did anything after that... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:26:46 -0400 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... And this is exactly what I have been saying all along, in less eloquent terms. Thank you, Kelli. - -jb - ----- Original Message ----- From: kelli helbig To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:09 AM Subject: Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... > > OK! I don't normally respond to these sorts of things because basically it's > like this. Opinions are like a$$holes everyone has one. BUT in this case I > feel its necessary. I'm 18 years old and never in my wildest dreams did I > ever think I would live to see a war. At least I hoped I wouldn't. When this > whole thing started all I heard from people was "Lets go bomb the f'ers" > when we didn't even know WHO it was. Now I'm hearing "no no don't bomb them > it's only one person" my response is this: how exactly did 1 person crash 4 > airplanes? America has just let terrorist attacks slide > but this was more than just a terrorist attack they made everyone in this > country grieve in a matter of a couple of hours. One man did not do that I'm > sorry if you think that but your wrong. It's already been said that we're > not going after just one person ..it's been said because it's true. No I > don't particularly LIKE the idea of having a war but sometimes you have to > do what's right. Let me put it to you this way for all you people who are > against the war: > > I walk up to you and punch you in the face. You get up and go to hit me and > I say whoa wait a minute.. using violence against me is wrong. you agree and > dont hit me.. now.. i punch you in the face again. you get up and go to hit > me again i say whoa dont do that.. > > Now..im going to keep doing this until you finally realize that sometimes > you have to use violence against violence.. > its the same thing here. I am not in favor of a war i think its rediculous > but sometimes its just needed and i think that right now its needed. And you > can flame me all you want but you won't get anywhere. > > I just want to know why is it that everyone now is saying "no no don't go to > war" when a few weeks ago all i heard from everyone i talked to was "BOMB > THE FUCKERS KILL THEM ALL" > > and thats all for my $.02 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:30:58 -0400 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... I meant, MY terms were less eloquent. Bah me. - ----- Original Message ----- From: John A. Bell To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:26 AM Subject: Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... > > And this is exactly what I have been saying all along, in less eloquent > terms. > > Thank you, Kelli. > > -jb > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kelli helbig > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:09 AM > Subject: Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... > > > > > > OK! I don't normally respond to these sorts of things because basically > it's > > like this. Opinions are like a$$holes everyone has one. BUT in this case I > > feel its necessary. I'm 18 years old and never in my wildest dreams did I > > ever think I would live to see a war. At least I hoped I wouldn't. When > this > > whole thing started all I heard from people was "Lets go bomb the f'ers" > > when we didn't even know WHO it was. Now I'm hearing "no no don't bomb > them > > it's only one person" my response is this: how exactly did 1 person crash > 4 > > airplanes? America has just let terrorist attacks slide > > but this was more than just a terrorist attack they made everyone in this > > country grieve in a matter of a couple of hours. One man did not do that > I'm > > sorry if you think that but your wrong. It's already been said that we're > > not going after just one person ..it's been said because it's true. No I > > don't particularly LIKE the idea of having a war but sometimes you have to > > do what's right. Let me put it to you this way for all you people who are > > against the war: > > > > I walk up to you and punch you in the face. You get up and go to hit me > and > > I say whoa wait a minute.. using violence against me is wrong. you agree > and > > dont hit me.. now.. i punch you in the face again. you get up and go to > hit > > me again i say whoa dont do that.. > > > > Now..im going to keep doing this until you finally realize that sometimes > > you have to use violence against violence.. > > its the same thing here. I am not in favor of a war i think its rediculous > > but sometimes its just needed and i think that right now its needed. And > you > > can flame me all you want but you won't get anywhere. > > > > I just want to know why is it that everyone now is saying "no no don't go > to > > war" when a few weeks ago all i heard from everyone i talked to was "BOMB > > THE FUCKERS KILL THEM ALL" > > > > and thats all for my $.02 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:27:30 -0400 From: "kelli helbig" Subject: Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... Anytime jb Anytime! >And this is exactly what I have been saying all along, in less eloquent >terms. > >Thank you, Kelli. > >-jb _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:17:12 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: AP,Inc related kinda Poe related, corporation nuts and bolts Hello jbell126@nac.net (John A. Bell), In reference to your comment: h On a serious note, though... I really would like to see h the articles of incorporation, and receive a copy of my h shares. The Articles of Incorporation are public record and I will be happy to send you a copy, each AP has one share of stock, rather then have individual certificates printed in each name the record keeping is done by database, just as it is done in all but closely held corporations. You do have the legal right, as does ANY Psycho shareholder to a share certificate. Datek Online charges 50 bucks for each individual certificate, Buy and Hold online brokerage will not even give you one under their terms of usage. The first meeting of the Board is scheduled by law and at your request I will place on the agenda a determination of what individual certificates will cost. It actually is not as simple as it sounds, EACH individual stock certificate must be accounted for and filed with the Secretary of State's office. While I don't think it will cost 50 bucks, it will cost the direct production costs, the cost of mailing, and filing fees with the State. I will get back to you on the costs when they are set November 9th at the first meeting. By the way, all Board of Director's meetings will be online, except for special meetings associated with AP events which will still be open for the shareholders and minutes will be provided on request. The bylaws which evolve and will be voted on by the shareholders will specify the specific items that can be discussed in executive sessions. It is my hope those items will be severely limited. Financial reports will be posted on the official website. I have received a couple private emails asking about accounting methods and safeguards for the funds. My proposed bylaw item on that ( and I am the treasurer for the first 6 months at which time my term will expire and I will be subject to reelection, should I choose to run again) is that any expenditure greater then $50 must be signed by two board members, any greater then $500 must be voted on by the full Board. As you saw the Board is set up so that two directors will be elected or reelected each year for three year terms, that way there will be continuity on the Board. I have already, after consulting with the other Board members, made inquiries with Atlantic Records, Fishkin Entertainment, and Nettwerk Management to allow Angry Psychos, Inc to be licensed to sell Poe fashions (specifically Julie and Mike's T Shirts), as well as the possibility of selling other Poe licensed items, i.e. CDs and perhaps even future licensed "bootleg" unreleased material, Poe antenna balls and Poe squishy stress balls. These would be sold to APs at greatly reduced costs to APs and at regular prices to the public to help finance AP events. I have also begun discussions with the above groups to set up a series of chats that will be established by written contract so there is no confusion as to when or if they will occur. I have requested a series schedule with various members of Poe's band as well as with Poe. I know for some all this legal BS seems a pain, but I believe most, if not all of you can see the doors of opportunity having a formal structure opens up for us. Just using our combined marketing abilities as an example...we have proven ourselves with Atlantic in the Hey Pretty campaign. But Atlantic is big business. They do EVERYTHING by contract! Before the corporation existed it was not POSSIBLE for Atlantic, Fishkin Entertainment, Nettwerk or ANYONE to contract with us or "allow" us to do ANYTHING formally because from a legal standpoint "we" did not exist! Now we do and I think this should help in a HUGE way to resolve the communications issues that we have been experiencing. It certainly will give us improved standing in the corporate music world. And, unfortunately, it seems the days of Poe coming to our houses after a show (like Borders meet and greets) on a phone call are sadly nearing or at an end. This way we can book her like record stores and radio stations do and KNOW she will be there and that she has been properly informed and agreed to it. Makes life cleaner and easier for ALL of us. I know a lot of you were as bored reading this as I was writing it, but I also think those of you that took the time can see this is a major positive step forward. In the future the "corporate" workings of Angry Psychos, Inc should be as invisible as the corporate workings of Hott Topics, but this is new now and there will be a lot of questions, like the one that prompted this one. I will use the AP,IncR: header when I post legal stuff like this so those of you that are not interested can skip it. ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #452 ***********************************