From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #450 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Tuesday, October 9 2001 Volume 06 : Number 450 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NPR A clear head and a cold heart... [joe a ] Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. ["brendles" ] Re: Incorporation of the Angry Psychos [KrodKnid@aol.com] sneaker pimps-real story [BluesyBear@aol.com] Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... ["Brian Brantley" ] why isn't our lady on the woxy playlist... [mark alec ] Re: NPR: Sexy songs [LadyMsThang@aol.com] Fwd: the SEXIEST SONG EVER!!! [LadyMsThang@aol.com] Re: the SEXIEST SONG EVER!!! [LadyMsThang@aol.com] Re: NPR: Sexy songs [UnbrokenVixen@aol.com] I TOLD you guys thered be a war!!!!!! [Prozackitty16@aol.com] Incorporation of the Angry-Psychos [AT ] Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. [EMOKidsSmell@aol.com] Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR A clear head...... [ndr ] Fw: Afghani Air SHow ["BadBender" ] Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. [ndr ] Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. [ndr ] NPR: Massive Attack Fans... DVD of Videos is coming!!! [LiveThruThisVow@a] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:09:46 -0700 (PDT) From: joe a Subject: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... hey brian, with all due respect launching a war for ONE FREAKING PERSON is not exactly the best way to show that America cares for justice. Now we are coming across as the imperialist/fascist/whatever that Bin Laden portrays us as. In other words we are playing his game his way, and your response is to bomb the hell out of a country that is already bombed? Dropping medicine and food is a drop in the bucket for making up for this... As for the truth, you are goddamn right I want the proof. General Westmoreland in 1968 or 1969 said we are close to winning the war, all we need is more troop. We saw where that got us!! The american people were systematically lied to, and that is not something to be forgiven. I remember watching old footage from CBS of Morely Safer standing in front of the camer with a piece of paper reading it and saying, according to the figures released by washington, every person in North Vietnam is dead. So if demanding proof for the accused is not what you like, move to another third world nation that would strip you of your right to disagree. Isn't one of the tenets of American democracy, Innocent Until Proven Guilty??? Look I have a lot of friends in the military. And I don't want to attend more funerals this year. Damn skippy that I want the people brought to justice, but bombing people who are not a part of the terrorism smacks of being a bully and not of justice. I support America, i have made monetary donations (I cannot give blood since I have a received a recent body piercing), but just because I support America doesn't mean I agree with everything going on! A lot of people are so gung-ho to kick ass they cannot see the possible ramifications of this. When terrorist incidents increase here in America, and yes I believe they will increase a lot, then what do we do? keep bombing third world nations? Nuke them till they glow, then shoot them in the dark? I don't think you will have to worry about people spitting on you. I wish you godspeed, and I pray none of your comrades are killed. Just my $.02 Joe, apparently the commie pinko tree hugging granola eating liberal who wants justice but thinks war is an inappropriate means of doing it... NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:19:19 -0500 From: "brendles" Subject: Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. Hmmm...at least under the Northern Alliance, women were allowed to work, teach, show their faces in public and receive medical care. If you think the Taliban is the better of the two options, please visit http://pz.rawa.org/rawa/index.html and tell me you still feel the same way. Bren >The previous government was responsible for more deaths > than the Taliban. Men forced into wells and hand grenades dropped in. > Cities under seige and killing everybody in it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:22:43 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Incorporation of the Angry Psychos In a message dated 10/9/2001 4:58:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PURPLMOJO@aol.com writes: > Hey wow this is cool Angry Psycho's inc. Shares my birthday 8-) > YAAAyyy > Well my birthday is starting out Awesome now. This is an awesome gift > knowing i'm now a Shareholder of the Angry Psycho's . Now if my poe shirts > come in today as well I will be starting to have one of the best birthdays > yet ;-) > Hey Julie hope you got those shirts out friday and sent priority hehe.. > Lord Lonnie A.K.A The old Blue Bastard > haha > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Hey, it's John Lennon's birthday too:-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:23:42 EDT From: BluesyBear@aol.com Subject: sneaker pimps-real story Actually now I remember....I heard from this musical "know it all" i used to work with...that the singer (kelly) wanted to start contributing as far as writing goes and the other dudes kicked her out because they wanted to write everything! I have no idea what she's doing now but that's basically what I remember hearing:) Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:42:59 -0400 From: "Brian Brantley" Subject: Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... Let me ask you this......what would you have us do? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe a" To: "Brian Brantley" ; Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... snip** A lot of people are so gung-ho to kick ass they cannot see the possible ramifications of this. When terrorist incidents increase here in America, and yes I believe they will increase a lot, then what do we do? keep bombing third world nations? Nuke them till they glow, then shoot them in the dark? I don't think you will have to worry about people spitting on you. I wish you godspeed, and I pray none of your comrades are killed. Just my $.02 Joe, apparently the commie pinko tree hugging granola eating liberal who wants justice but thinks war is an inappropriate means of doing it... NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:50:46 EDT From: LiLyVixenZ@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. I don't understand why it seems like most Americans want to turn the other cheek on this whole issue. Yay! Let's all go to Disneyland and wave our flags around bragging about how we can't be defeated la de da. But while we are jumping around, what are these terrorists doing? Do we even have a plan if they were to unleash some sort of biochemical agent? Are people overreacting when they get gas masks? Or 55 gallon drums of water? It seems like a lot of people are laughing at the kind of person who runs out and gets a 72 hour kit or MRE. But is that person really overreacting that much? I read a couple of posts about people complaining about how this list should only pertain to Poe. I have complained about this as well when there were ridiculous arguments going on that had nothing to do with Poe. However, discussing important current events is not being out of line in my opinion. It seems like some of us are worried about what is going on in the world around us. YES, there is more to the world than a little suberban neighborhood where you are safe and sound. As much as I like Poe, current events are concerning me a bit more right now than what the latest Poe merchandise is. This is not saying that I do not want to read about anything pertaining to Poe, because I do. However, I don't think there is anything wrong with conversations that have to do with current events that people have every right to be concerned about. Talking or in this case typing about issues can be really helpful in a time like this. Anyway, that is my little vent fest not just towards this list, but to everyone I see turning the other cheek when such scary events are happening. Discuss what you want, but don't jump on people for wanting to discuss the war. Ok, I'm done. Thanks. tara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:52:53 EDT From: XWhenIGrowUpX@aol.com Subject: Re: Wild Radio Edit/Mix thanks for the link, but a few minutes after i sent out my email, i got reply from Krod Knid who kindly sent me the files. thanks for the help, and i truly appreciate being able to hear good poe mixes/edits... so thanks for the AP replies but a special thanks to krod knid for taking the time to upload the files and send them to me. i iknow how much of a pain it can be to do that on AOL. thanks. - -Reg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT) From: joe a Subject: Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... Heh first I noticed you snipped a lot of the message. Nice. What I would do is this: 1) Present the evidence the U.S. has to us, it's citizens and let us decide if it is valid. All I am asking for is the chance to read the evidence. Of course the reason they won't allow this is "National Security". Well Oppenheimer said back in the 40's that the day the leadership hides behind national security is the death of civil liberty. 2) If after that the evidence is valid (personally, I suspect it is, but I don't know because they won't let me see it), present it to the world. Let the information be free for everyone to see and let the world know in no uncertain terms who is behind it. 3) If military action is needed, then we get those responsible through the judicious use of Special Forces in those countries that are horboring them. Or better yet, put the biggest bounty possible on the heads of the terrorists and release videos of them to the world. 4) For countries that harbor terrorists, economic and technical aid should be withheld until cooperation occurs. 5) Internal security should be strengthened internally in the U.S., especially at airports, train depots, sprts stadiums, basically places where a large group of people go to congregate. But indiscriminate wire tapping and profiling should remain illegal. Basic human rights after all. I hope this answers your questions. As I come up with more ideas I will email you them... Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: mark alec Subject: why isn't our lady on the woxy playlist... alright psychos.. i've requested poe 3 times today at woxy. so far, i haven't heard her played, but i'm not giving up. our lady hasn't made their top requested list yet with wild. what are we gonna do about this? REQUEST REQUEST REQUEST REQUEST REQUEST REQUEST REQUEST it's really as simple as that. go to http://www/woxy.com and on the main page, you can send very impersonal requests. it's better than nothing. if you like, you can also request her by emailing the studio: studio@woxy.com remember, you can listen to woxy live over the net. they have a rather large internet following. we CAN get her on the most requested list and then back in rotation! come-on psychos. and don't forget to request at the other places still, too--like wtmx. if you're fortunate enough to live in or around the cincinnati area (including dayton and general tri-state area), it may help if you can call the station and request as well. i know krodknid and i can.. not sure who else is around the area... information recap to instant request: http://www.woxy.com to email a request: studio@woxy.com to call in a request: 513.525.4114 or 513.863.5665 ===== mark alec http://www.worldofalec.org/ alec@poe.org the no-quote signature.. Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 20:17:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Cyberfan Corporation Subject: Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. well, atleast in America... women are abused, belittled, and make less money than men for doing the same work... Women have trouble all over the world. *** America is the best of the worst. I proudly choose AMERICA!!!! *************************************************** JK/// Jarrod Kniff President - Cyberfan Corporation jarrod@cyberfan.com *************************************************** "One important key to success is self-confidence. An important key to self-confidence is preparation." -- Arthur Ashe *************************************************** On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, brendles wrote: > > Hmmm...at least under the Northern Alliance, women were allowed to work, > teach, show their faces in public and receive medical care. If you think > the Taliban is the better of the two options, please visit > http://pz.rawa.org/rawa/index.html and tell me you still feel the same way. > > Bren > > > >The previous government was responsible for more deaths > > than the Taliban. Men forced into wells and hand grenades dropped in. > > Cities under seige and killing everybody in it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:04:43 EDT From: BUDave18@aol.com Subject: Re: sneaker pimps-real story In a message dated 10/10/01 2:25:08 AM, BluesyBear@aol.com writes: << I have no idea what she's doing now but that's basically what I remember hearing:) >> Hey! last time i talked to her she said she was doing a solo album which was supposed to be out a while ago, I dunno if its gonna be scrapped or what. I know shes doing duets with a ton of people from her younger days,also! peace, seb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:11:30 EDT From: UnbrokenVixen@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... In a message dated 10/9/2001 2:11:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, forsaken26@yahoo.com writes: > but just because I support America doesn't mean I > agree with everything going on! > That's an important point too. Like Walter Cronkite said the other night, patriotism doesn't mean you have to agree with everything your government says/does, in fact it's patriotic to disagree. I wasn't alive for Vietnam, so all I know of that and how the soldiers were treated is second-hand {TV, books, etc.} and one Vietnam vet that I met when welcome home troops from the Gulf War. But I believe that we can disagree with the government's actions while still supporting our troops. I'm not sure what the answer to this situation is, I admit it, I am still thinking that one through. But no matter what my thoughts on the government's actions, I will always, *Always* support our armed forces. I, for one, would never and will never spit on them, because it's thanks to people who are willing to fight and go to war I have the freedoms I enjoy. I *THANK* them from the bottom of my heart. Just my rambled two cents. Actually it's only worth one cent, lol. ~alexandra ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:17:28 -0700 (PDT) From: joe a Subject: Re: NPR A clear head and a cold heart... I am in position of being against the war and for the troops. Which is kinda wacky. I have total respect for our soldiers, I just hate to see american lives lost for what I perceive as minimal gains. Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:27:36 EDT From: LadyMsThang@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Sexy songs In a message dated 10/5/01 10:04:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jayson_g69@hotmail.com writes: << Someone mentioned favorite sexy songs earlier. One of my favorites would be Morphine - Hanging On A Curtain. Really, any Morphine album is pretty sexy all the way through. I also found that playing Massive Attack's Mezzanine album from beginning to end is really, really cool to play while doing the, er, nasty. >> Songs of Faith and Devotion, or Ultra from Depeche Mode. Nothing beats the song In Your Room from them though. It's the ultimate...how you say? doin' the nasty song...lol. Anything by Maxwell and D'angelo, I'm a sucker for the both of them. And i do have to agree with the Morphine. THey've got great songs for that as well. And, I'll have to go with most Garbage songs. Well, maybe more from 2.0 like Sleep Together. Also, Number One Crush. Also, OLD Tricky tracks are great. Massive Attack is also another one i agree with. Try the album Protection. Ok, you're going to laugh but...the song "Rope Burn" from Janet Jackson's Velvet Rope album...very hot. in fact there's a few on that album that are good. Chris Issac, Wicked Games. ok i think that's all i can come up with now...sorry so long. and i know i'm ions late for it, but i just got the mail now. marianne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:30:53 EDT From: LadyMsThang@aol.com Subject: Fwd: the SEXIEST SONG EVER!!! In a message dated 10/9/01 3:30:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LadyMsThang writes: << << Poe-Junkie Poe-Fingertips Artificial Joy Club-Crawl Lords of Acid-The Pussy Remixes Tori Amos-She's Your Cocaine Bif Naked-Twitch Bif Naked-Succulent Portishead-Pretty much anything off of any CD Bjork-Venus as a Boy Sublime-Caress Me Down Veruca Salt-Shutterbug >> I KNEW I FORGOT SOME...damn it. Bjork's Venus as a Boy and One Day!!! from the Debut album. Also, Isobele from Post. there's another song from her on that and for some odd reason i can not remember. I also agree with the Fingertips from Poe and any of Portishead. Return-path: From: LadyMsThang@aol.com Full-name: LadyMsThang Message-ID: <38.1d1739e3.28f4aa48@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:30:16 EDT Subject: Re: the SEXIEST SONG EVER!!! To: talula658@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 113 In a message dated 10/5/01 1:37:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, talula658@yahoo.com writes: << Poe-Junkie Poe-Fingertips Artificial Joy Club-Crawl Lords of Acid-The Pussy Remixes Tori Amos-She's Your Cocaine Bif Naked-Twitch Bif Naked-Succulent Portishead-Pretty much anything off of any CD Bjork-Venus as a Boy Sublime-Caress Me Down Veruca Salt-Shutterbug >> I KNEW I FORGOT SOME...damn it. Bjork's Venus as a Boy and One Day!!! from the Debut album. Also, Isobele from Post. there's another song from her on that and for some odd reason i can not remember. I also agree with the Fingertips from Poe and any of Portishead. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:31:47 EDT From: LadyMsThang@aol.com Subject: Re: the SEXIEST SONG EVER!!! Cashmiere (spelling?) by Led Zepplin. The End or Riders on the Storm from The Doors. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:34:30 EDT From: UnbrokenVixen@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Sexy songs In a message dated 10/9/2001 3:29:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LadyMsThang@aol.com writes: > Chris Issac, Wicked Games. Oh *definitely*. ;) Fond, fond memories associated with this one, lol. I'm also partial to "The Most Wonderful Girl" by Lords of Acid. It has a great beat that lends itself to a rhythm, lol. ~alexandra ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:22:47 EDT From: Prozackitty16@aol.com Subject: I TOLD you guys thered be a war!!!!!! But nooooooooooo...no one listen to GYPSY...NUH-uh...lol j/k But seriously...I told you guys thered be a war and now there is. We already have over 300 guys over in Afganistan right now. We bobed them 2 nights ago(late news...sorry. Didnt think to sed the email at first). Anywho...........this doesnt look good..... ~Gypsy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:49:06 -0700 From: AT Subject: Incorporation of the Angry-Psychos As an angry-psycho in every sense of the word since 1974 and as a Poe fan since 1996, I would like to know what bylaws will be in the corporate charter to prevent Britney Spears fans from staging a hostile takeover?I have not joined the psycho ward because I fear that upon seeing my picture that I would not be able to flirt online with all the pretty AP chicks. Yeah he said chicks. AT is not one to use the correct PC terms. However, in an incorporation , the shares would have a monetary value. I am far too computer illiterate to figure out how to post my picture. I know that there have been many posts by El Presidente,Cyberfan Inc on how to do this , but I was too high on crack cocaine at the time to decipher them.BUT< I am interested in purchasing one or 51% of the corporation. Will I find it on the NASDAQ? Poe related: Thanks about 1000 times to Mike, mreagle in Los Angeles , for GIVING me tickets to see the POE/DM show at the Stalples center.Really. Lets make it 1001. Thank you again Mike-what can I do for you?I did go to the party after and found not a red rose in the house,except the one my daughter Alyx (Angry Alyx) was holding in her hand.She said"'where are your friends dad?"Poe was all we have come to expect , sadly waay too short. I hope she plays as queen soon. AT , Loyal Poe Subject ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:54:03 EDT From: EMOKidsSmell@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. Why is this when women are more than 60% of the population. Girls we should have these pigs on THEIR FUCKING KNEES FOR US! We out number them and we wont have any type of equality until we ALL realize that they have the power b/c we let them! Time to lock up all straight men (the gay ones are on our side, right?? wait, no some of them hate us....) make that ALL MEN! Especially the white ones who have been using us as their stool while climbing the ladder of success (along with anyone else who isn't white, is it hot in here?) Ughhhh! Sorry we were talking about inequality and social statuses today in social problems today and the whole $0.73 to ever dollar thing makes me so mad! Whoa talk about random email.... In a message dated 10/9/01 12:02:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cyberfan@ns1.indigi.net writes: << women are abused, belittled, and make less money than men for doing the same work... Women have trouble all over the world >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:59:05 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. In a message dated 10/9/2001 4:55:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, EMOKidsSmell@aol.com writes: > Why is this when women are more than 60% of the population. Girls we should > have these pigs on THEIR FUCKING KNEES FOR US! We out number them and we > wont > have any type of equality until we ALL realize that they have the power b/c > we let them! Time to lock up all straight men (the gay ones are on our > side, > right?? wait, no some of them hate us....) make that ALL MEN! Especially > the > white ones who have been using us as their stool while climbing the ladder > of > success (along with anyone else who isn't white, is it hot in here?) > Ughhhh! > Sorry we were talking about inequality and social statuses today in social > problems today and the whole $0.73 to ever dollar thing makes me so mad! > Whoa talk about random email.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *SMACK!* Shut up and get back in the kitchen! Hehehehe... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 13:32:35 -0700 (PDT) From: ndr Subject: Re: NPR A clear head...... On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, Brian Brantley wrote: > > I just wanted to take a minute to speak my mind. If you are not interested, > hit delete now. > My delete key is broken. > I find it depressing to hear all this talk about how our country is wrong in > taking this action. Like Bill Maher sayin that the American Military was > "cowardly" in launching cruise missles against Afganistan. I know what he > meant and I have heard his appologies but I was still infuriated. I am seeing > the same sediment that began in the begining of Vietnam. At first, everyone > was against what the "government" was doing. By the end of the war, our vets > coudn't even where thier uniforms for fear of being attacked and spit on. Infuriation is good. But don't let it control your thoughts. Actually, most people were supportive in the beginning of Vietnam. It looked like a quick "police action". And it should have been. We were very close to signing a peace treaty in '64 until Nixon and Kissinger convinced the North Viet. to hold off on signing so that when Nixon is elected he can give them a better deal. Well, things didn't quite work out. I think we need to seperate our troops from government policy. While I support the troops, even though I think what they are doing is wrong, I grieve for any one of them that dies. Just as I grieve for those in the WTC, the Pentagon, and the people of Afghanistan. The pragmatic solutions we are implementing are not going to help in the long run. I think it is wrong on your part to imply that anybody who is against our government policy is spitting on our troops. The most patriotic people are the ones who question what is going on. I love the United States and what it stands for. But I do not like exploitation of that love to rally behind causes that mose people would not agree with if they were not swayed by emotion and the media. The great thing about America is that there is not one opinion. To ostracize those that do not rally behind what they believe to be wrong is a part of our society that I do not like. > > If you want to make change in our government, fine. Become a polititian. No > government is innocent. Governing a group of people means making difficult > decisions with little or no information. A good leader makes a decision based > on the information he has to futher the good of his people. People aren't > perfect. Some have their own agendas. It is this way with all governments. > Leadership is compromise. Everyone will NEVER be happy. You just have to > steer the course and stand by it. Becoming a politician is a bad way to change the government. Becoming a leader is the way to change the government. Just because it is that way with all governments doesn't make it right. People are not infallible but they are accountable. The clearest path to peace is through justice. This is true for all people, whether Americans or not. I believe Osama Bin Laden, if responsible for any terrorist acts, should be brought to justice. I think the Taliban should be brought to justice. So should members of the Northern Alliance. Also, any American leader who supported policy that let them perform any criminal act should be brought to justice. It may be a rough, impossible path but if we do not try we can never be deemed civilized. While I agree leaders are not perfect, the citizens must remember that they are accountable to them. Most leaders do not want people to realize how much power that they hold. They placate the people with false pretenses and then pull the rug out from underneath when they are not looking. The politicians rely too much on lobbyists and aids (who have agendas) to keep them informed. If you ever watch any congressional debate it is astounding how ill-informed most of the politicians are. > > Just remember that the liberties you have are not shared by ALL people. Do > you think that ANYONE in Afganistan could say the things you are saying and > expect to live? Maybe the Northern alliance is no better than the Taliban. > Should we allow them to stay in power knowing that they support Bin Ladin and > all he stands for? It's about compromise. Maybe we will be fighting the > Norhtern Alliance in ten years. Who else can we support to take over? But why should we create a pragmatic solution that will lead to more deaths down the road? Isn't the point of the war to end war? Does that make any sense? Maybe to the defense industry but not for civilization. There are many groups within the Afghani culture that are much more open to democracy. The problem is, they are hard to control. The U.S. wants someone in there that they can slap around so that they can build oil pipelines. > > My platoon rigs the loads that they are air-droping now. I expect to be > called up if this continues much longer. Will you support me if I go? Or > will you spit on me when I return. My father remembers what that was like. > Would you like to talk to him? The freedom you don't understand or appreciate > was won by him and his buddies and THOUSANDS like him. Maybe more will have > to pay the price for your freedom. I just hope you appreciate the sacrafices > that have been made so that you can say this government sucks. Maybe you > should travel a bit. I will support you, but not what you are doing. I will grieve if you are lost and cheer if you return. I will not spit on you. I cannot speak for others. Because the freedom you are protecting is the freedom that allows them that choice. I will not debate Vietnam at this time and whether it was a fight for freedom. I think that you should travel a bit more and open up a little more to objectivity. > > See the world outside of that tube that spits out lies as you say. > Truth.........what is the truth???? Truth is you HAVE NO IDEA!!!! When you > have traveled, when you have seen first hand, when you find a better place to > live, come back and share with us. Share with us THE TRUTH. Till then, > watch. I have traveled much. I have seen some horrid and wonderful things. You really opened yourself up for a strong attack with your statements about truth. > > Watch as firemen dig their friends out of the rubble. Watch as American > Servicemen and women do their best to make sure this never happens again. > They may not be successful, BUT AT LEAST THEY ARE TRYING. What are you > doing??? Watch as more people die. Watch as freedoms erode. Watch as the constitution and bill of rights decay. Watch as speech is squelched. In times like this, you better watch what you say. > > These are my thoughts. Flame away. Just don't spit on me. > > Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 16:21:15 -0500 From: "BadBender" Subject: Fw: Afghani Air SHow > Subject: Afghani Air SHow > > > > First Annual Kabul Air Show Scheduled > > (AP) Kabul, Afghanistan > > 17:52GMT - Sept. 19, 2001 > > > > Citizens of Afghanistan are reportedly looking forward with great > > anticipation to reports of an international air show to be held in the > > skies over their nation. > > > > An unnamed official informed us that "Now the rest of the world will > > look upon our beloved city with great honor just as they do Farnborough, > > England and Paris, France", referring to the sites of two other famous > > international > > > > air shows. > > > > The exact date and time of the upcoming Kabul International Air Show has > > > > not > > > > yet been announced. It is believed that event organizers feel that such > > an announcement would detract from the fun of the celebration by, > > "spoiling > > > > the > > > > surprise". > > > > Unlike most air shows the Kabul Air Show will feature almost no static > > ground displays but will have an unusually high number of aerial > > demonstrations and fly-bys. "We are most pleased by this feature of our > > air show. Instead of a lot of different kinds of airplanes just sitting > > around on the tarmac, the aircraft attending our show will actually be > > up in the air demonstrating what they do best!" we were told. > > > > Participation will probably be heaviest by aircraft of the United States > > > > Air > > > > Force and Marine Corps. Including appearances by F-15's, F-16's, A-10's, > > > > B-52's and Apache helicopters. It is rumored that opening ceremonies > > will feature a tomahawk-cruise fireworks display. A few B-2's, and > > F-117A's may also help out in some unseen capacity. > > > > Several other counties have expressed an interest in sending > > representatives. These include all nineteen nations in the NATO alliance > > as well as Australia. The excitement generated for this gala event has > > even > > > > prompted the Israeli Air Force to apply for participation. > > > > Of course, no one is more excited than the Afghan people themselves. > > Great numbers of them are in the streets of Kabul looking constantly > > heavenward in gratitude for the historic event, which will soon take > > place in their skies. It has been observed that some are so concerned > > about missing the show that even as they bow to the East they keep > > snatching worried glances towards the West. Thousands, in fact, have > > been seen leaving the city and fleeing to the mountains carrying food > > and blankets - obviously anxious to get a good vantage point for the air > > show, and to make a picnic of it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:14:43 -0700 (PDT) From: ndr Subject: Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. I am in no way saying the Taliban is better. I am just stating that the ones we are backing are no better and will not stand up for rights any more than the Taliban. Thousands of women were raped and made slaves under the previous leadership. You have to remember. It is about money. It is about control. On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, brendles wrote: > Hmmm...at least under the Northern Alliance, women were allowed to work, > teach, show their faces in public and receive medical care. If you think > the Taliban is the better of the two options, please visit > http://pz.rawa.org/rawa/index.html and tell me you still feel the same way. > > Bren > > > >The previous government was responsible for more deaths > > than the Taliban. Men forced into wells and hand grenades dropped in. > > Cities under seige and killing everybody in it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:18:33 -0700 (PDT) From: ndr Subject: Re: NPR A Peaceful Solution. I have followed the Taliban for a long time and am quite familiar with the atrocities that women go through in Afghanistan. It was not much different with the previous regime. I do not think the Taliban or the Northern Alliance are the best option. America needs to make a choice. Either go all the way and dominate the world, spend the rest of our countries life at war, or become isolationist. We lean more to the first but will not make the full step. IF we are such the superior force, by power and by morality, then we need to force all the world to obey. Civil Society == Re-Education. On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, brendles wrote: > > Hmmm...at least under the Northern Alliance, women were allowed to work, > teach, show their faces in public and receive medical care. If you think > the Taliban is the better of the two options, please visit > http://pz.rawa.org/rawa/index.html and tell me you still feel the same way. > > Bren > > > >The previous government was responsible for more deaths > > than the Taliban. Men forced into wells and hand grenades dropped in. > > Cities under seige and killing everybody in it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 18:13:13 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: NPR: Massive Attack Fans... DVD of Videos is coming!!! In a message dated 10/9/01 3:11:57 AM Central Daylight Time, massiveattackgroup@yahoogroups.com writes: > The following is from NME.com > > Massive Attack - Compile up! > MASSIVE COMPILATION! > > MASSIVE ATTACK are set to release a compilation of 11 of their videos > on a career spanning DVD on November 5. > > It is the first time the videos will be commercially available on one > body of work. All videos are full length, director's cuts, rarely see > in their entirety. 'Angel' has never been seen by the viewing public. > > Packaging for the DVD will be a simple, clear plastic cover. Frontman > 3D explained the thinking behind the presentation. "I wanted to > undesign it rather than design it, the reason being that this is a > retrospective work - it's a collection of videos from the last three > albums and I felt that no one piece of artwork could summarise the > work that we've done," he said. "So I decided to minimise it and take > away all the packaging so that it almost looks like data. This is in > keeping with the feel of the DVD generally. I didn't want to do loads > of extras; I just wanted to keep it simple on every level. But if > anyone is really inclined, they can go to the website and download > their own artwork.' > > The DVD will feature two web-links, one to a microsite containing > exclusive artwork and images from which users can choose and download > their own cover images; the second link is to >Massive Attack 's > website. All royalties from the DVD will go to the Red Cross. > > The tracklisting is as follows: > > 'Daydreaming': Release date: 15/10 90 Director: Baillie Walsh > 'Unfinished Sympathy': Release date 11/2/91 Director: Baillie Walsh > 'Safe From Harm': Release date: 28/5/01 Director: Baillie Walsh > 'Be Thankful For What You've Got'': (B side of 'Hymn Of The Big > Wheel') Release date: 10/2/92 Director: Baillie Walsh > 'Sly': Release date: 17/10/94 Director: Stefan Sedanoui > 'Protection': Release date:9/1/95 Director: Michel Gondry > 'Karmacoma': Release date: 20/3/95 Director: Jonathan Glazer > 'Rising Son': Release date: 7/7/97 Director: Walter Stern > 'Teardrop': Release date: 27/4/98 Director: Walter Stern > 'Angel': Release date: 13/7/98 Director: Walter Stern > 'Inertia Creeps': Release date: 19/10/98 Director: Wiz > ~*~ Burning inside (i cross myself it doesn't help) because I'm not smart enough (digging into hot white) learning not to lie (we cross it out and stay away) another sonic life~ Sonic Youth ~*~ I can't get laid cuz everyone is dead~ Sonic Youth Return-Path: Received: from rly-za02.mx.aol.com (rly-za02.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.98]) by air-za04.mail.aol.com (v81.9) with ESMTP id MAILINZA47-1009041157; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 04:11:57 -0400 Received: from bigfoot.com ([208.156.39.208]) by rly-za02.mx.aol.com (v80.21) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINZA210-1009041128; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 04:11:28 -0400 Received: from n1.groups.yahoo.com ([216.115.96.51]) by BFLITEMAIL5.bigfoot.com (LiteMail v3.01(BFLITEMAIL5)) with SMTP id 09Oct2001_BFLITEMAIL5_15407_51397391; Tue, 09 Oct 2001 04:17:34 -0400 EST X-eGroups-Return: sentto-3232906-21-1002615084-LiveThruThisVow=bigfoot.c om@returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.4.56] by n1.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Oct 2001 08:11:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1002615084.1497.65005.m12@yahoogroups.com> Mailing-List: list massiveattackgroup@yahoogroups.com; contact massiveattackgroup-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list massiveattackgroup@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: 9 Oct 2001 08:11:24 -0000 From: massiveattackgroup@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: massiveattackgroup@yahoogroups.com To: massiveattackgroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: [massiveattackgroup] Digest Number 21 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: massiveattackgroup-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Tracklisting For New Massive Attack DVD From: jernomer@yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:35:20 -0000 From: jernomer@yahoo.com Subject: Tracklisting For New Massive Attack DVD The following is from NME.com Massive Attack - Compile up! MASSIVE COMPILATION! MASSIVE ATTACK are set to release a compilation of 11 of their videos on a career spanning DVD on November 5. It is the first time the videos will be commercially available on one body of work. All videos are full length, director's cuts, rarely see in their entirety. 'Angel' has never been seen by the viewing public. Packaging for the DVD will be a simple, clear plastic cover. Frontman 3D explained the thinking behind the presentation. "I wanted to undesign it rather than design it, the reason being that this is a retrospective work - it's a collection of videos from the last three albums and I felt that no one piece of artwork could summarise the work that we've done," he said. "So I decided to minimise it and take away all the packaging so that it almost looks like data. This is in keeping with the feel of the DVD generally. I didn't want to do loads of extras; I just wanted to keep it simple on every level. But if anyone is really inclined, they can go to the website and download their own artwork.' The DVD will feature two web-links, one to a microsite containing exclusive artwork and images from which users can choose and download their own cover images; the second link is to >Massive Attack 's website. All royalties from the DVD will go to the Red Cross. The tracklisting is as follows: 'Daydreaming': Release date: 15/10 90 Director: Baillie Walsh 'Unfinished Sympathy': Release date 11/2/91 Director: Baillie Walsh 'Safe From Harm': Release date: 28/5/01 Director: Baillie Walsh 'Be Thankful For What You've Got'': (B side of 'Hymn Of The Big Wheel') Release date: 10/2/92 Director: Baillie Walsh 'Sly': Release date: 17/10/94 Director: Stefan Sedanoui 'Protection': Release date:9/1/95 Director: Michel Gondry 'Karmacoma': Release date: 20/3/95 Director: Jonathan Glazer 'Rising Son': Release date: 7/7/97 Director: Walter Stern 'Teardrop': Release date: 27/4/98 Director: Walter Stern 'Angel': Release date: 13/7/98 Director: Walter Stern 'Inertia Creeps': Release date: 19/10/98 Director: Wiz ________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #450 ***********************************