From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #445 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Saturday, October 6 2001 Volume 06 : Number 445 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NPR: song lists [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] NPR: Cure [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] NPR: Tool, Holy Sh!T [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: NPR: Sexy songs [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: NPR - list of most depressing/sad songs [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: Female EMPOWERMENT Songs!!! [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re:sad sad song list... [Spidersrcute2@aol.com] Re: NPR - list of most depressing/sad songs [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: sad sad song list... [JaunasAddiccion@aol.com] Re: NPR: Sexy songs [XWhenIGrowUpX@aol.com] Re: NPR: New thread, non-depressing songs [Miki Proud ] hello (e-smoove funk mix) [agentorange2@mindspring.com] Re: NPR: Cure [KrodKnid@aol.com] Open message to Poe and Angie [Dan98908@aol.com] Things I would like to know re: Poe [Dan98908@aol.com] Re: Things I would like to know re: Poe [JezebeIlnHeII@aol.com] Re: Open message to Poe and Angie ["brendles" ] If you'd like, you could read this. [CrazyasDeLuca@aol.com] Re: If you'd like, you could read this. [Prozackitty16@aol.com] Re: If you'd like, you could read this. [JaunasAddiccion@aol.com] Re: If you'd like, you could read this. [CrazyasDeLuca@aol.com] Angie ["Endorphyne" ] Re: If you'd like, you could read this. [Dan98908@aol.com] Week one winners of Wild single!!! [Dan98908@aol.com] Re: NPR - list of most depressing/sad songs ["Vanessa Solis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:14:42 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: song lists In a message dated 10/5/01 12:27:15 AM Central Daylight Time, jmsullivan@students.wisc.edu writes: > Garbage - Trip my wire > Lords of Acid - Voodoo U > Drain sth - simon says > Hellz yeah! Mind making me a copy? ;) Sooooo who else is down with the Lords?! ~*~ Burning inside (i cross myself it doesn't help) because I'm not smart enough (digging into hot white) learning not to lie (we cross it out and stay away) another sonic life~ Sonic Youth ~*~ I can't get laid cuz everyone is dead~ Sonic Youth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:16:30 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: NPR: Cure In a message dated 10/5/01 1:08:16 AM Central Daylight Time, KrodKnid@aol.com writes: > If my friend makes me listen to that goddamn Friday I'm in Love song thing again I'm gonna shoot myself! ~*~ Burning inside (i cross myself it doesn't help) because I'm not smart enough (digging into hot white) learning not to lie (we cross it out and stay away) another sonic life~ Sonic Youth ~*~ I can't get laid cuz everyone is dead~ Sonic Youth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:18:02 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: NPR: Tool, Holy Sh!T I just found out that TRICKY'S opening up for Tool!!!! Any other psychos go to the Tool show that Tricky opened up for? Man, two musicians I like for once! ~*~ Burning inside (i cross myself it doesn't help) because I'm not smart enough (digging into hot white) learning not to lie (we cross it out and stay away) another sonic life~ Sonic Youth ~*~ I can't get laid cuz everyone is dead~ Sonic Youth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:21:18 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Sexy songs In a message dated 10/5/01 9:04:59 AM Central Daylight Time, jayson_g69@hotmail.com writes: > I also found that playing Massive Attack's Mezzanine album from beginning to > Oh man, I swear I was born to listen to that cd. A music review did say it was good to listen to while making babies :) I saw the video for Teardrop the other day on M2 and taped it. ~*~ Burning inside (i cross myself it doesn't help) because I'm not smart enough (digging into hot white) learning not to lie (we cross it out and stay away) another sonic life~ Sonic Youth ~*~ I can't get laid cuz everyone is dead~ Sonic Youth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:23:06 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR - list of most depressing/sad songs In a message dated 10/5/01 10:22:47 AM Central Daylight Time, LivTheMdns@aol.com writes: > Has anyone here heard "Birthday Cake" by CM? It's sota depressing and angry > at the same time. > That song rocks, man! My birthday's coming up in less than a week and I want someone to make me a moldy b-day cake!!!! No one would probably do it, but at least I FINALLY get a record player! ~*~ Burning inside (i cross myself it doesn't help) because I'm not smart enough (digging into hot white) learning not to lie (we cross it out and stay away) another sonic life~ Sonic Youth ~*~ I can't get laid cuz everyone is dead~ Sonic Youth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:26:36 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: Female EMPOWERMENT Songs!!! X-Ray Spex- Oh Bondage! Up Yours Some people think little girls should be seen and not heard, but I think.... OH BONDAGE, UP YOURS 1 2 3 4!!! My friend made me a copy of that the other day, nothing can top that or Le Tigre... NOTHING. ~*~ Burning inside (i cross myself it doesn't help) because I'm not smart enough (digging into hot white) learning not to lie (we cross it out and stay away) another sonic life~ Sonic Youth ~*~ I can't get laid cuz everyone is dead~ Sonic Youth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:32:39 EDT From: Spidersrcute2@aol.com Subject: Re:sad sad song list... okay, here's a partial list from me: Spiders by System of a Down Love will tear us apart By Joy Division Sour Times by Portishead (although Portishead is also very sexy too!!) The Sky Is Broken by Moby Love Again by Baxter Talk Show Host by Radiohead (Romeo and Juliet soundtrack) Sinking by The Cure Love Vigilantes by New Order Love Ridden by Fiona Apple Talisman by Air That's only part of a list, there are many more songs to add to that, the top song for me is "Something I can Never Have" by NIN.... both the original and the one on the tribute album Tracie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:34:55 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR - list of most depressing/sad songs In a message dated 10/4/01 11:27:16 PM Central Daylight Time, BUDave18 writes: > you must marry me :) > > Only if you buy me a pony for my birthday and like performing S&M acts muwahaha :) It was actually Lee (Red Halcyon) that introduced me to Autechre. I was also gonna add the Sneaker Pimps, Spin Spin Sugar. Man I swear if you're baked and listen to that song it'll make you cry for hours. Oh yeah, and Sonic Youth's Schitzophrenia. They performed that live, OH and when they did NYC Ghosts & Flowers and dedicated it to Joey Ramone, long live Joey. ~*~ Burning inside (i cross myself it doesn't help) because I'm not smart enough (digging into hot white) learning not to lie (we cross it out and stay away) another sonic life~ Sonic Youth ~*~ I can't get laid cuz everyone is dead~ Sonic Youth ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:35:41 EDT From: JaunasAddiccion@aol.com Subject: Re: sad sad song list... I like the one off of Natural Born Killers better, even with the movie dialogue In a message dated 10/5/01 7:33:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Spidersrcute2@aol.com writes: > That's only part of a list, there are many more songs to add to that, the > top > song for me is > "Something I can Never Have" by NIN.... > both the original and the one on the tribute album ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:39:02 EDT From: XWhenIGrowUpX@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Sexy songs In a message dated 10/05/2001 6:22:37 PM Central Daylight Time, LiveThruThisVow@aol.com writes: > I also found that playing Massive Attack's Mezzanine album from beginning > to > > > > Oh man, I swear I was born to listen to that cd. A music review did say > it was good to listen to while making babies :) I saw the video for > Teardrop > the other day on M2 and taped it. > > the Teardrop has to be one of the all-time best videos. it fits the song so well and doesn't slow your mind down with all this extraneous stuff that totally detracts from a song. it was simple, yet so awesome. it's a shame it's never gotten due recognition. not even a breakthrough video nomination. - -reg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:39:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Miki Proud Subject: Re: NPR: New thread, non-depressing songs Hmm..happy songs..that one's a little harder. Save Ferris-The World Is New Save Ferris-I know Artificial Joy Club-Cheeky Monkey Sublime-Smoke two Joints No Doubt-Total Hate Tori Amos-Happy Phantom Poe-Beautiful Girl K's Choice-I Smoke A Lot Lords of Acid-Pussy Reel Big Fish-Take on Me Madness-Our House Sarah Mclachlan-Ice Cream Dido-Thank You ===== I dreamt tomorrow had a prettier face... Let the angels grace the land, for I have held you in my hand. And right there for a minute, I knew you so well NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 19:28:11 -0500 From: "gini ×" Subject: RE: Re: POE DATES Hell Yeah!! DONT FORGET DALLAS - pretty please :) I remember when KDGE announced that POE was opening for DM. They said "POE and DM touring together"... and the DJ's exact words were "How ORGASMIC is THAT?!" Dallas loves Poe... - ---ORIGINAL MESSAGE--- Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:18:04 -0500 From: "Brendles" Subject: Re: POE DATES And don't forget the city that kept Poe and HOL on top of the Amazon regional top 10 list most of the year.....DALLAS...DALLAS...DALLAS! >There is a club tour being routed from Nov 3 through Dec 4. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 20:39:34 -0400 From: agentorange2@mindspring.com Subject: hello (e-smoove funk mix) 10.05.01 i was playing the "hello" (e-smoove funk mix) in my store tonight... we have speakers outside the store, so the it was playing outside on the street... some cool macy gray lookin' girl came in & thought i was playing neo-soul artist res. i explained to her that it was NOT res, but it was POE.. and gave her the story... she wondered why she had never heard of her before & i explained she is really an "alternative" artist & her stuff is mostly on alternative radio... the mix i was playing was a club hit from 1997. she bought haunted. - -rusty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:00:49 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Cure In a message dated 10/5/2001 7:17:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LiveThruThisVow@aol.com writes: > If my friend makes me listen to that goddamn Friday I'm in Love song > thing again I'm gonna shoot myself! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, maybe...but give me a dose of "Bloodflowers" any time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:16:09 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Open message to Poe and Angie Angie is no longer responding to any of my public or private posts, I haven't talked to Poe since the Rock The River show in Portland and the Depeche Mode show in Seattle. God only knows what Angie has been telling her about me to make her so angry at me after all I have tried to do for Poe, Angie and the APs. The Depeche Mode tour has been over for a while now and "sleepy Poe" , hopefully, has had time to rest. The DVD shoot, it would appear, is not going to happen on the tentative date we had been hoping for. Poe's manager remembered "penciling in" the 9/23 chat, but figured we would "assume" that it was not going to happen after the events of 9/11. No subsequent date has been announced. I know the post below will make Poe yet more angry with me, but at this point it does not matter so much anymore. We are Poe's fans and we have BEEN there for her for years and will continue to be here long after her hired help becomes bored. The Street Team from EA let her down, but we were there to lift her back up again. If the new hired help lets her down we will STILL be here! But there are things we need to know! And I hope that Poe will realize that we need to hear from her as much as she needs to hear from us. Five weeks ago tonight I started trying to arrange for Poe to join us in the infamous 9/23 chat. Poe told us in the 9/21 echo that she would chat with us, she just had not been informed of the date. It has been two weeks and we still have not heard when she can join us. Angie has told us NOTHING about when we will hear from POE again! Paul Fishkin scheduled an AP only concert at the Third Encore in Burbank for last June 6. Several of us had non refundable tickets to come to the show and at the last minute it had to be rescheduled due to TV and promotional considerations that she was obligated to fulfill. The make up for that show is to be the DVD shoot. We are all looking forward to it and can't wait to hear when it will be so we can make plans. It would be nice to have an update on what the delay is and reassurance that it will still happen. It will, I know what the circumstances are, and it will be GREAT! But at Poe's request, I can't tell you all, it has to come from her "old dear friend" Angie. It has been MONTHS since Poe has posted a message on the AP list. She refuses to deal with her APs except thru a hired publicist. We were told after the Depeche Mode tour was over and we were thru with the evil DM security and the German stalker dudes we would be seeing more of our sweet lady. Haunted sales are NOT looking good, Wild was not doing well. Her new hired help and the label's machine were not able to help push Wild any more then they were able to push the first single. Once we got the ball rolling and Atlantic started their machine working WITH us Hey Pretty sailed! Wild has been out a month now and was not getting much play. Last Wed. I told Atlantic to watch radio spins and let us show him AGAIN what we could do. The results have been VERY good! I will get the new numbers Monday and will let you know HOW good. It is IMPERATIVE that Atlantic, momentumworldwire, Poe, and the Angry Psychos work TOGETHER and light a NEW fire! I have gotten a lot of support from my fellow APs over the last couple years, but I NEED you now!!! We have got to get a message to Poe that I am not the ONLY one that needs to hear from her, that we ALL want to know what is going on with her and what SHE wants to do from here. We want to hear it from POE! If she is too busy to talk to us then we need to get some REAL info from Angie ...more then that she is sleepy! I know she is working with Titus in the studio, how about an update? We know Cameron auditioned for the fall tour, any announcements??? Are there ANY personal appearances going on?? What is Poe doing to promote Wild that we might be able to watch or listen to? We would LIKE to see it on the AP list, in the AP chat, in email to the APs, and preferable more substantial in information then: "request, request, request, request, request." (The last post on p-o-e.com). PLEASE Poe .... don't forget OUR voice! Don't let your APs become nothing more then a ghostly echo..... COMMUNICATE with us PLEASE!!!!! One a personal note, please call ME! You know the number 800-646-4392. I have not done ANYTHING wrong to you and the way you are treating me is not fair! Please let's work this out. If you choose not to, I will still be here. I care about you and I care about your music. With or without you I will do whatever I can for my fellow Psychos and for YOU! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:20:58 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Things I would like to know re: Poe 1. Is there any news on the DVD shoot? 2. Will Poe be scheduling a chat with the APs? 3. Does she have any plans on posting to the AP list anymore, or is she using p-o-e.com exclusively? 4. Is there any news on the items that we asked be licensed to the APs...the Poe antenna balls, the Poe "squishy" stress balls, Poe T shirts? 5. Has their been a decision on the AP/VIP laminates Poe talked about on the Borders tour, that Mike Vaughn presented to you and Paul in May? I was told that Poe selected one she liked in Portland. I understand they may not be funded but if we fund them Poe will provide content, according to Mike Vaughn supposedly from Poe at the Rock the River show. Are these plans scrapped now? 6. Poe told a group of us in Seattle that she would provide content and support for an AP sponsored "unofficial, official" Poe website. This site has MANY hours of work put into it and has been on hold. It was to be unveiled during the infamous 9/23 chat, then during the tentatively scheduled 10/7 DVD shoot. We would like to have Poe involved in the unveiling but we have ZERO communication from Poe. We need to know what her wish is. Angie is on the committee, but she has been uncommunicative with us on the committee since 9/20. 5. Can we set up a specific time that myself, or a representative from the APs can call you for weekly updates? We will be happy to work thru Angie but she refuses to answer my email and she is still erasing my posts on p-o-e.com that relate to the AP marketing campaign for Wild. As you may know I spoke to Jeff Danderan last week and had him note the numbers for Wild at that time and asked him to watch over the next three weeks. The first month the single went nowhere. I have seen the numbers since the APs started their push and they are impressive, though some of the biggest stations we spoke to ( i.e. Chris at STAR98.7 in Los Angeles) said they were willing to spin it, it was a good song, but Atlantic "killed it." I do not know what that means, but he said the bottom line is, it means they cannot play it. The same terminology was used by the A/C station in Cleveland. My local station will be talking to his Seattle rep, he has not seen the single and liked it, he said he will ask for one from his Seattle rep. What does the term mean "Atlantic killed it."? Jeff said they are "out of stock" on the single and do not know if they will be continuing to push Wild or will be moving on to the next single. Obviously, we could use some direction. Angie is attempting to provide direction, but she is obviously inexperienced with radio marketing and provides lists that include country, hard rock, even stations that no longer exist. This song needs to be pushed on A/C, Hot A/C and AAA stations. If the push is for Wild we need to know Atlantic will work with us. If the decision is not to push Wild we need to know that as well. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 22:24:20 EDT From: JezebeIlnHeII@aol.com Subject: Re: Things I would like to know re: Poe In a message dated 10/5/01 5:22:09 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, Dan98908@aol.com writes: > 5. Can we set up a specific time that myself, or a representative from the > APs can call you for weekly updates? We will be happy to work thru Angie > but > she refuses to answer my email and she is still erasing my posts on > p-o-e.com > that relate to the AP marketing campaign for Wild. > There are so many things I want to say about these two letters .. but I will just choose this for now. I don't know how everyone else feels.. but I HATE moderation. The whole flow of information HAS changed. Why do we have to work through Angie ? The whole street team thing was bullshit. We never got a straight answer about anything. I want to get my info from an AP. There is something so much more personal when something is posted by an actual volunteer AP( Dan, Dean, Michele, Rusty, Mike,Sp00k....) It is almost as if Angie has replaced Dean.. but it is not the same. I finally joined p-o-e.com and got some generic one liner letter that said I had been added. It was totally impersonal and I haven't been back to the site. I donated to the sleepy poe gift fund and didn't get a reply at all. I feel discouraged and like AP's are now second class to the " professionals" . I'm still here , but not nearly as active. At least I knew Dan cared about Poe AND all of us. The excitement of promoting WILD is not the same as Hey Pretty. I think its great to have target stations, however the last big " target " was KROQ. Had we put all our energy there .. it would have fizzled. We succeeded by communicating with each other and pushing our local stations. We challenged ourselves and gave Poe results. It was thrilling. Anyhow.. sorry for complaining.. and jumping all over the page. I'm just really disappointed. I just don't like the changes.... ~jez ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:30:44 -0500 From: "brendles" Subject: Re: Open message to Poe and Angie I will not pretend to know what is going on with this situation, but I do know that the best way to handle ANY disagreement is through open and honest communication. And to communicate requires more than one person! I know I'm not the only person on the list who is anxious to get more hard facts regarding upcoming "Poe Plans," and I hope this list can once again become a forum for sharing information beyond our NPR posts. pSyChO hUgS, Bren >We have got to get a message to Poe that I am not the > ONLY one that needs to hear from her, that we ALL want to know what is going > on with her and what SHE wants to do from here. We want to hear it from POE! > If she is too busy to talk to us then we need to get some REAL info from > Angie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:07:34 EDT From: CrazyasDeLuca@aol.com Subject: If you'd like, you could read this. I don't know if I'm alone in this opinion, but I really think that I should speak up on it. You can tell me to fuck off, or that you agree, or that you're indifferent. Personally, I'd be ecstatic with any response. Especially from Angie. But I don't expect any. I'd like to know Angie's favorite color or what SHE thinks the most depressing songs are. I'd like to hear her tell me what a ho I am for talking about my butt, or maybe jokingly ask to see it. But... All I here from her are tour dates and little bits of info. It's like Angie isn't even a part of the list - Like she doesn't seem to want to associate with us, or me rather. It's awkward. It's one thing to be a lurker, but to be a lurker with a voice that one uses very often for only objective bits and pieces is strange. I hope you can be an AP, Angie, and not just a "point person". You don't know what you're missing out on. - -Bridget ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:11:09 EDT From: Prozackitty16@aol.com Subject: Re: If you'd like, you could read this. Amen sista! Thats all....... ;-) ~Gypsy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:36:52 EDT From: JaunasAddiccion@aol.com Subject: Re: If you'd like, you could read this. first of all, fuck off (i really don't mean it, but when in my life will someone say i can tell them to fuck off?) I think there's something to be said about 'weathering the storm' as it were. but enough is enough. I know i've not been here long, and i may be a bit of an idiot/lurker, but it's starting to seem to me that this sentiment is echoed by EVERYONE on this list, even if they don't reply to this thread. I think it's time that there was some serious consideration given to running things without Angie. I'm probably just speaking out of my ass though, but that's nothing new. It seems as though all she has done is to make things difficult for the group. her "news" has been all but useless since i have been a member, her posts have consisted of reencouraging what we're already doing, no new insight into the ideas that are being thrown around, no sense of 'publicist' is being given to me. She seems to be just teasing us, no matter what she says. no hard information, nothing that can't be disposed of as "rumor mill". It may just be time to move on....no more angie, stop looking at her as anything other than a lurker and an unreliable one at that. maybe you're asking too much out of her, she's just giving what she can, but that may not be enough. she is a point person by trade, not an AP, she may not have the heart and spirit required to be an AP, that's something that needs to be considered. So I leave you with this (as if anything else i wrote made any sense): maybe you should uninvite angie from the AP status and just let her be our info source, i mean, info is gathered one way or another, and if she doesn't tell us, there's still other sources we can get it from...but i really don't think there should be a big "hate angie" party, maybe just voice your disagreements and discuss them and see what is going on with it all. Who knows, mebbe she has to act like this, mebe there's something coming up...but i dunno, so PLEASE don't read into that at all, i'm just really tired and probly should be asleep. either way. keep being APs everyone and remember to keep requesting Wild on the radio...play it really loud too when it comes on and sing along, that always helps... - -Dan Feel free to tell me to fuck off or just to tell me your opinions, i'm curious to know if this made sense to anyone. In a message dated 10/5/01 11:08:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CrazyasDeLuca@aol.com writes: > I don't know if I'm alone in this opinion, but I really think that I should > speak up on it. > You can tell me to fuck off, or that you agree, or that you're indifferent. > Personally, I'd be ecstatic with any response. Especially from Angie. > But I don't expect any. > I'd like to know Angie's favorite color or what SHE thinks the most > depressing songs are. I'd like to hear her tell me what a ho I am for > talking > about my butt, or maybe jokingly ask to see it. But... All I here from her > are tour dates and little bits of info. It's like Angie isn't even a part > of > the list - Like she doesn't seem to want to associate with us, or me > rather. > It's awkward. > It's one thing to be a lurker, but to be a lurker with a voice that one > uses > very often for only objective bits and pieces is strange. > I hope you can be an AP, Angie, and not just a "point person". > You don't know what you're missing out on. > -Bridget ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:41:19 EDT From: CrazyasDeLuca@aol.com Subject: Re: If you'd like, you could read this. Oh! That's not at all what I meant. I mean, everyone's entitled to an opinion, but I'd really hate to exclude anyone from the list. Especially one that's so much like a family. Because then the list loses it's family-like quality and becomes more like my family. lol. Heh. Semi-kidding, of course, on that statement about my family. But... I just want her to be part of everything. It's like your a total stranger, Angie. It's weird. Anyway, Peace love and rough sex Me My Ass and I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:00:04 -0700 From: "Endorphyne" Subject: Angie I will be the first to admit that I am a major lurker. My contributions to the AP community are usually just in the form of offending somebody with an off-color remark or private replies to an occasional message, but I felt the need to speak up in regards to the Angie situation. Settle down. I joined this group of people because I wanted to support Poe. It's her wish that Angie be the pointman and a "go-between" of sorts between us and her. I can't help but respect that. Angie has tried very hard to keep us as informed as possible regarding the Goddess. There are probably several things that she couldn't give us more information on. And, yes, she probably hasn't provided the most organized approach to a lot of the things we're trying to do as Psychos. She's also new to this whole thing. For crying out loud, it's been a few months since she signed on. You can't honestly expect her to pick up everything right off the bat. What really bothers me about this whole thread is the egocentric nature of a lot of the members. It's as though you feel slighted by being asked to utilize this person. Honestly, as much as we'd like to be, we really aren't Poe's family. We're her community. It's not as though this is your best friend asking you to direct all of your correspondence to her through a secretary. I have no doubt that this will ostracize me from yet more members of this list. So be it. I just don't think it's fair for us to lay a guilt trip on Poe for asking what is really a minor request. It's especially unfair that we make Angie feel bad as a result. If there's something you feel you can do to remedy the whole situation, I'm sure that we're all open to suggestions. Just remember that, even if you don't personally like Angie or her tactics, you're pretty much stuck with her. It's not our place to say that what Poe wants isn't right. - -Conrad Zimmerman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 00:05:47 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: If you'd like, you could read this. Hello JaunasAddiccion@aol.com, In reference to your comment: h So I leave you with this (as if anything else i wrote h made any sense): maybe you should uninvite angie h from the AP status and just let her be our info source, h i mean, info is gathered one way or another, and if she h doesn't tell us, there's still other sources we can get it h from...but i really don't think there should be a big h "hate angie" party, maybe just voice your h disagreements and discuss them and see what is h going on with it all. Who knows, mebbe she has to act h like this, mebe there's something coming up...but i h dunno, so PLEASE don't read into that at all, i'm just h really tired and probly should be asleep. either way. h keep being APs everyone and remember to keep h requesting Wild on the radio...play it really loud too h when it comes on and sing along, that always helps... h -Dan Hmmm...another Dan! I used to talk to Angie 1-3 times a day on the phone. She is a VERY sweet lady and has a lot to offer the APs and Poe. I believe that her heart is in the right place. I don't think she knows enough about Poe yet to know how close we used to be (Poe and the APs, that is)! Even as recently as the Borders tour, she knows none of that history. I do NOT think that she should be removed from the list. BUT I do think that she either needs to become an AP all the way, or she needs to pick an AP that she can work with and feed news thru that person till she has become one of us. I personally would be very happy to continue working with her, but she needs to learn respect and to be truthful. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 00:28:19 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Week one winners of Wild single!!! There was actually a tie for third place so you both win! The only change is that they have decided not to have me send out the singles directly. They will be coming from Fiskin Entertainment directly. Brendles, I have your address and have already passed it on for yours. Could the rest of you email me your mailing address and I will pass it on to Paul. Thank you very much and congratulations! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 21:58:06 -0700 From: "Vanessa Solis" Subject: Re: NPR - list of most depressing/sad songs >I am a huge Lunar fan and so of course you're going to see songs from >them >from me. *sighs* I miss my Lunar games. >je t'aime, >LB I love Lunar. Just wanted to get that out :) Nessa Come here No I won't say please One more look at the ghost Before I'm gonna make it leave Come here I've got the pieces here Time to gather up the splinters Build a casket for my tears I'm haunted (By the lives that I have loved) I'm haunted (By the promises I've made) I'm haunted By the hallways in this tiny room The echos there of me and you The voices that are carrying this tune _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 01:30:03 -0400 From: "John A. Bell" Subject: My two lousy cents... I have to agree that it's not our place to decide, or judge, Poe's wishes. I have to agree that there are some APs who feel they are slighted that they are getting so little information via Angie. Personally, I think Angie has been very helpful. I have communicated with her via email a few times with requests for information that I needed, and she responded quickly and politely with the information I needed. Dan, while I, as a newbie to the APs, respect your place in the tribe, I must say that it might be helpful to all if you respected Poe's place in the tribe, as well. I understand your frustration, but it's been my experience that the harder you push, the more you'll get knocked down. Take it easy. I have worked with bands before on the same things and in the same place that you are with Poe. Sometimes, the band takes off, or the artists take off n a different direction, both artistically and in personally. Take no offense by the silence. Angie, perhaps it would be helpful if Poe could drop us a note to explain the current situation. I think you're doing alright, but there is an issue here that needs to be resolved. APs... keep doing what you're doing. You do what you do so well! These are just my thoughts and/or suggestions, and they might be helpful or they might suck ass. It's up to you to decide. It's all for the Queen... - -jb ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #445 ***********************************