From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #406 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Thursday, September 13 2001 Volume 06 : Number 406 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NPR bombings...../disgracing the memories of the dead [PURPLMOJO@aol.] Re: NPR bombings...../disgracing the memories of the dead [XWhenIGrowUpX@] NPR-Re: A five sided figure and the NYC skyline-NPR ["Bad Bender" ] Re: Which side of POE would you share? [Prozackitty16@aol.com] A little smile for you face! ;-) [Prozackitty16@aol.com] Re: I will speak my peace (bad choice of words) now and shut up [Prozacki] Re: a few whys/what-ifs ["KyL the Paladin" ] To everyone ["kelli helbig" ] Re: a few whys/what-ifs ["Brian Brantley" ] Re: A five sided figure and the NYC skyline ["Ice Princess" ] Reply to the "ofcourse we will have a war" statement ["jessica gilwee" ] another article [joe a ] Re: Reply to the "ofcourse we will have a war" statement [joe a > Ya know the thing that disturbs me about this kind of rational is that it is indicitive of how our society has become. Were taught to frown and shun violence . Socially and legally our hands are tied behind our backs so that the criminals and cutthroats are the ones that benefit. We continually get tougher legislation to ban guns and take them out of americans hands. The intent admirable and sounds nice,but what happens. This leaves guns in the hands of criminals and terrorists. Persons that are intent on crime and attacks on others know the consequences and laws don't matter. No longer is it acceptable to fight for family,honor,property and liberty. If your caught fighting even if defending yourself, Both parties are arrested and go to jail. If someone spits on you,insults you,gropes your wife,steals your property,breaks into your car, Better not attack that person thats assualt. What are told to do in these situations. Cower and let them have their way, call the police when you get the chance. Hopefully your description will get them caught later. If your male and threaten violence your labeled as barbaric,primitive,unintelligent. Meanwhile Women that show conviction and violence are celebrated as Heroines,rolemodels,liberated. If a Woman is feminine or domestic they are looked down upon. A man that says demeaning things about women is a asshole and chauvanistic pig. Meanwhile Adds and merchandise claiming girls are better than boys, Boys suck, and many other slanderous commercials and merchandise are accepted. Don't take this wrong i'm not saying each gender has their place. I'm saying each gender has their biological instincts and each gender is persecuted for listening to those instincts. A society that Emasculates the men and Defemminates their women, Punishes the good along with the bad, which handicaps the good at same time. It's no wonder our country has become so "diplomatic" and lost so much of the power and fear we once held. We wonder why so many men are deadbeats and scrubs,why so many women are disgusted with men. Why women say they love the sweet sensitive careing man,but fuck the brash and bold scoundrels. Why if a man expresses that sensitive careing side they are labeled gay or weak. I know is sounding a little jaded,but you get the point. I say to those that claim the path that violent retaliation is not the solution what is? It's classic good versus evil. Evil holding good hostage. Like in the movies the evil guy holds the innocent victim hostage and threatens to kill the victim unless the good guy puts the gun down. Damned if you do,damned if you don't. Anyways i've rambled off enough this should stir the pot of controversy a little hehe.. Going to bed now. >:-) Lord Lonnie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:57:31 EDT From: XWhenIGrowUpX@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR bombings...../disgracing the memories of the dead dear kung-gene, your last email was very well put. i don't wont to clutter the list with giving you praise, although i will. we can't forget that regardless of what religion we are, or what nationality we are, we are all human beings. in times like these, it's only natural for people to turn to religion to get them through this tough time. we will get through this. we've all been effected by this, whether we like it or not. - -reg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:12:08 -0500 From: "Bad Bender" Subject: NPR-Re: A five sided figure and the NYC skyline-NPR Bin Laden's followers already think of it as a religious calling. They believe that by suicide bombing and killing the great devil they earn a special place in their heaven. Bin-Laden vowed years ago to kill Americans, military or civilian, anywhere he could. The US embassies in Africa, the USS Cole, now the attack in NYC. He has constantly attacked us and each time the attacks seem to get worse and more brazen, yet we haven't mustered enough of the American will to put forth the proper effort to go get this person. Some people on this list have mentioned how we shouldn't bomb so-and-so country, we would kill innocent people. I say if any country is willingly hiding these people they deserve what they get. If they don't want to be bombed then hand him over or just show us where he is, we have smart bombs and we can snuff out his tent. Instead these countries hide and protect him all the while denying they support him and are not responsible for his crimes. His mission is clear: kill Americans. Plain. Simple. He has attacked us on our own soil, our homeland. He can not be reasoned with and he will not stop. We can either sit back and cower in our burnt rubble and damaged ships or we can take steps to protect ourselves and be proactive. If anyone is still against us hunting him down then I ask you to do this, consider the alternative...... Subject: A five sided figure and the NYC skyline > > From the military standpoint, I personally agree with > Bush's statement and we are waiting for assurance of > those responsible before "blowing the middle east > away." > But, here is a thought for you. If we kill Bin-Laden > (sic?) we risk turning their cause into a crusade, a > holy war that will not end until one side and their > sypathisers have been eliminated. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:20:37 EDT From: GCpunk2732@aol.com Subject: Re: my PoE show in KC cancelled? that sucks! i was so going with my sister from Colorado State! this isn't fair! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:56:50 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: My final word to US terrorists (those that would blindly kill innocents) Dan, maybe it's time for you to step out of the search and recovery efforts, it is obvious it is having a negative impact on your health before you even get on the plane. I have spent most of the last 48 hours in shock, rage, depression, depression depression depression.... it is difficult not to feel down when images burned on the mind of NYC as it was, are replaced by the images of NYC going through the slow motion stages of destruction that will play on MOST of our minds, till death. Ease up Dan, any person that is a citizen of this country is entitled to see justice served, in a fashion that is implemented by those that "WE the people" elected to take care of this stuff for us. Prepare yourself Dan, because the U.S. has declared WAR on terrorism. Those scattered about the world, who maintain large camps, and small hideouts to prepare for these missions, should expect a gift basket soon from an F-15. Others, I am sure, will get a PERSONAL escort back to the USA, where "WE the people" will have the opportunity to put these people on trial, and perhaps get a glimpse of the logic that is the cause of even this e-mail. Yes this will mean putting large numbers of people on the ground on soil outside of the USA. Is the draft possible? Not likely, but possible. Yes, there had been MUCH activity in the USA in preparation for the attack on NYC, NO, we should not bomb ourselves. Yes, those "Americans" who had a hand in the attack on NYC, they will suffer a fate worse than the foreigners. From what I have observed, in particular one politicians assessment of the situation. George W. Bush is lining up our allies, offering ALL nations their LAST chance to show which side of the fence they want to be on. This politician said GW is telling them "fish or cut bait" ... Read and LISTEN, whatever action is taken, it is going to be BIG, it is going to be global, and yes, it will bring into question abuses of power, which will be answered sometime after the dust settles, as it always is in a WAR. Too many broken hearts, don't be antagonistic. sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:35:52 EDT From: XWhenIGrowUpX@aol.com Subject: nostradamus and CBS 0k, some guy on CBS just "quoted" the nostradamus prediction that's been proven false by people on this list, as true. he added something at the begining like "on the 9th month of the 1st year of the new century," and something coming, "at 45 degrees." (NYC is on the 41st parallel is what he said.) if this prediction really is false, what this say about this "journalist?" how pathetic can you be to recite something from the internet that you don't even know is true. unless he's got some connection with nostradamus himself, how can he say that? - -reg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:40:50 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: NPR Re: nostradamus and CBS - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:35 AM Subject: nostradamus and CBS > > 0k, some guy on CBS just "quoted" the nostradamus prediction that's been > proven false by people on this list, Credit to the co-anchor for COMPLETELY ignoring him and speaking on a different topic.... sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:52:08 EDT From: Prozackitty16@aol.com Subject: Re: Which side of POE would you share? I thihnk if it was going to be the first time they heard her I would probably go for the screamy angry like sound of her "band versions"(ie; Hello, Angry Johnny). ~Gypsy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:56:59 EDT From: Prozackitty16@aol.com Subject: A little smile for you face! ;-) Return-path: From: JADESCAVE@aol.com Full-name: JADESCAVE Message-ID: <64.130c4664.28d19f16@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:33:10 EDT Subject: (no subject) To: Prozackitty16@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10539 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain A little rabbit is happily running through the forest when he stumbles upon a giraffe rolling a joint. The rabbit looks at her and says, "Giraffe my friend, why do you do this? Come with me running through the forest, you'll see, you'll feel so much better!" The giraffe looks at him, looks at the joint, tosses it and goes off running with the rabbit. Then they come across an elephant doing coke, so the rabbit again says, "Elephant my friend, why do you do this? Think about your health. Come running with us through the pretty forest, you'll see, you'll feel so good!" The elephant looks at them, looks at his razor, mirror and all, then tosses them and starts running with the rabbit and giraffe. The three animals then come across a lion about to shoot up... "Lion my friend, why do you do this? Think about your health! Come running with us through the sunny forest, you will feel so good!" The lion looks at him, puts down his needle, and starts to beat the shit out of the little rabbit. As the giraffe and elephant watch in horror, they look at him and ask, "Lion, why did you do this? He was merely trying to help us all!" The lion answers, "That little fucker makes me run around the forest like an idiot for hours every time he's on ecstasy!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:57:59 EDT From: Prozackitty16@aol.com Subject: Re: I will speak my peace (bad choice of words) now and shut up Amen!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:37:54 -0400 From: "KyL the Paladin" Subject: Re: a few whys/what-ifs I spent some time yesterday working up an explanation of the why Muslims hate Americans for another fellow AP. The explanation is far too large to email. I have modified my website and added the explanation to it on the front page. So if you still need answers, I have placed some of them at: www.sirkyl.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:18:30 -0400 From: "kelli helbig" Subject: To everyone I wanted to say to everyone that I havent read my email in a few days and as I checked it this morning there were 400 and I confess I didnt read any of them and I probably should have. I wanted to let everyone know that for any of you that have lost friends and relatives or anyone at all that you knew I am truly sorry this was the most horrible tragedy and I never thought I would see something this devastating in my lifetime. The people who died will always be remembered in my heart and in the hearts of everyone in this country. I also wanted to say that I have you all in my thoughts and for anyone who has family in the military I am sending you my love. I have family in the virginia beach/norfolk area and I lived there for most of my life and I know of all the people there that will be effected if this breaks into a war. You are all in my hearts I just hope that everyone else feels the way that I do. again I want to say I am truly truly sorry to anyone who lost someone. Good luck to everyone. Love from Texas, Kasmira _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:21:39 -0400 From: "Brian Brantley" Subject: Re: a few whys/what-ifs Interesting.........I definitly have something to think about now. I'm not sure that I agree with you on all points but you put forth some very good arguements. I think that we as a country are just now beginning to understand some of the repercusions of our involvement in the middle east. It is a hard line to walk. While I don't belive in going back to the isolationism before the second world war, I'm not sure exactly what our stance in the world theater should be. I think that consistency is the key. I don't know........everything is so confusing now. All that I do know is that the guilty parties, whoever that may be, should be punished. I lost my first commanding officer in the pentagon. He was a Major in the Marine Corps. He was an oustanding person who always put the welfare of his Marines above all else. He was my mentor and my friend. I will miss him very much. I don't know what this means for my fellow Marines and I but we stand ready to do what is nessesary to bring justice to those responsible. Semper Fi Rest in piece my friend......... - ---- Original Message ----- From: "KyL the Paladin" To: ; Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: Re: a few whys/what-ifs I spent some time yesterday working up an explanation of the why Muslims hate Americans for another fellow AP. The explanation is far too large to email. I have modified my website and added the explanation to it on the front page. So if you still need answers, I have placed some of them at: www.sirkyl.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:41:07 -0700 From: "Ice Princess" Subject: Re: A five sided figure and the NYC skyline I totally agree with you about the idea of a "holy war". We need to be careful what we do, and how we do it. For the U.S., we want to punish those people who are resposible for this destruction, but for a few of the countries involved, they are calling it a "religious war". They want their people to believe that we are trying to destroy their religion....even though we are just trying to understand excactly what happened and who masterminded the events on tuesday. It's amazing how the countries whom feel threatened can automatically turn the situation around and make the U.S. look the demons once again. ~Shelley >From: Robert Cobb >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: A five sided figure and the NYC skyline >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:53:37 -0700 (PDT) > > > From the military standpoint, I personally agree with >Bush's statement and we are waiting for assurance of >those responsible before "blowing the middle east >away." > But, here is a thought for you. If we kill Bin-Laden >(sic?) we risk turning their cause into a crusade, a >holy war that will not end until one side and their >sypathisers have been eliminated. > In reguards to "this may be the end" I recently came >across a local newsletter that publised this: > > >Deny Prophacy > > > >"Oh, brave new world that has such people in it!" >->The Tempest > > > > This is a figurative call to arms to the free > >thinkers of the world. > > > > We have in our power to deny prophacy. I hope that > >the belief that this is the end does not become such > >a widely held belief that we allow ourselves to be > >swept away by it and make it true. > > > > We will overcome. > > > > We will live on. Humanity will not end, be it from > >curent events or in the future, we have the power to > >become something greater than the Creator, or > >whatever you believe, had intened for us. God gave > >us free will, I suggest we use it. > > > > I do not intend to imply people will not die when > >the so called end time comes. I am merely suggesting > >that it doesn't have to be the end. God gave us free > >will to challenge us, and those of us that rise to >the > >challenge will be lifted to a much higher plane than > >the unled sheep who don't know to move to high ground > >in a flood. > > > > Prophacy is not the way it HAS to happen, it is > >merely a possiblity that will not come to pass unless > >we let it. > > > > When the trump sounds, will you rise to the > >challenge and show God just how powerful his creation > >has become? Either you're with me or you don't care. > > > > To those who are indifferent, you too will be > >caught in the flood. You will never get to see the > >brave new world that will rise when this one is swept > >away. > > > > Deny Prophacy - u-r-n Pisser 0.1 > >A little over the top, but at least someone is >thinking. > >Adahlfin > >===== >Adahlfin > >__________________________________________________ >Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? >Donate cash, emergency relief information >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:49:10 -0700 From: "Ice Princess" Subject: Re: A little smile for you face! ;-) I've seen this story before, it's cute. Except when I read it the first time around, it said the little bunny was on speed. I guess we gotta change the story (or the drug) to reflect the times. :P ~Shelley >From: Prozackitty16@aol.com >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: A little smile for you face! ;-) >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:56:59 EDT > > >Return-path: >From: JADESCAVE@aol.com >Full-name: JADESCAVE >Message-ID: <64.130c4664.28d19f16@aol.com> >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:33:10 EDT >Subject: (no subject) >To: Prozackitty16@aol.com >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10539 >X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c >X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain > >A little rabbit is happily running through the forest when he stumbles upon >a giraffe rolling a joint. The rabbit looks at her and says, "Giraffe my >friend, why do you do this? Come with me running through the forest, you'll >see, you'll feel so much better!" The giraffe looks at him, looks at the >joint, tosses it and goes off running with the rabbit. >Then they come across an elephant doing coke, so the rabbit again says, >"Elephant my friend, why do you do this? Think about your health. Come >running with us through the pretty forest, you'll see, you'll feel so >good!" >The elephant looks at them, looks at his razor, mirror and all, then tosses >them and starts running with the rabbit and giraffe. >The three animals then come across a lion about to shoot up... "Lion my >friend, why do you do this? Think about your health! Come running with us >through the sunny forest, you will feel so good!" The lion looks at him, >puts down his needle, and starts to beat the shit out of the little rabbit. >As the giraffe and elephant watch in horror, they look at him and ask, >"Lion, why did you do this? He was merely trying to help us all!" >The lion answers, "That little fucker makes me run around the forest like >an >idiot for hours every time he's on ecstasy!" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:49:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy Shurts Subject: Re: NPR thinking before speaking and How I think the US should proceed First of all, I'll reply to this: <> Thank you for catching me on that, and thank you also for not screaming obscenities at me, even if your response seemed to have a rather nasty tone to it (although I may just be paranoid). I agree that the comment about the Palestinians celebrating was too sweeping a statement... really, do any of us know the truth on that matter? I frankly wouldn't be surprised if it was true, considering the e-mails I've been getting on another list stating that "America got what it deserved." However, you're right, this hasn't been confirmed...well, not by me, anyway. In response to your KKK analogy, I don't care much about what people think of US in other countries, as long as they don't threaten our lives because of it. I think most people in this world have a skewed idea of how this country works, and therefore already dislike Americans. This view is most likely partially because (ever since WWII) the US has been sticking their noses into worldly problems that don't concern them, rather than merely protecting the country. But that gets me into a whole other argument, and I don't want to digress into it. The rest of the article talks about things that are known to have actually happened. The author uses these facts and then states his opinion, as every editorial does. I realize now that I haven't stated my opinion as to what the US should do, and this might have caused people to be confused as to what I was arguing. This is what we should do, IMHO: 1--Find out all of the people were involved in this. Find out how this was funded and who by. Find out where these people currently are. ((we seem to be already doing this)) 2--Contact the countries in which all of these people are hiding, and give them 24 to 48 hours to cough these people up. We notify these countries that if they do not cooperate, we consider the entire country responsible for the terrorists actions, and declare war on the country. 3--If some countries don't give us these people, we do exactly as we say and war begins. If the country states that it cannot find the people we request, then we demand to send our own people in the country to find them. If the country further refuses, then we declare war on them. 4--We collect the people involved, put them on trial, and execute them. These people WILL NOT have impunity because they are from other countries. These people WILL have a chance to defend whether they were truly involved in the attack (or preperation for the attack or funding for the attack, etc.) or not. We do not need to start a war merely because we are upset. However, if we do not find and gather the people involved in this attack QUICKLY, we will be sending a message that all we do when thousands of our people are killed is whine. If anyone is familiar with the "sanction of the victim," that is what I mean. This horrible tragedy will happen again in some other cities if we do not take quick and decisive action. For those that are arguing that innocent people may or will be killed, do you really value the lives of Americans, Australians, Japanese, and others that were killed in these attacks so little? Are you willing to let this happen again and again to productive people because "killing is wrong, no exceptions"? Hopefully, this will never come to war. However, we should protect ourselves from death and terror by use of force. The ONLY time we should use force is when our liberties are being physically threatened. Right now, our right to live is being threatened. Our right to try to find happiness is being threatened. These rights have already been taken away for thousands of people, by the attacks of Tuesday. Their deaths were stupid and meaningless. Do we wish to invite more? Well, that's all I have to say on the subject. You all know my opinion now. If anyone wishes to argue points with me, please feel free to e-mail me privately. I won't argue on the list and further fill up mailboxes. Eliada __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:08:16 -0700 From: "Jeanine Serusa" Subject: Fw: Flags Across America] - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky Abella" To: "abella, linda" ; "aguilera, gloria" ; "alejandre, marilyn" ; "allred, tanya" ; "badal, rachelle" ; "barthell, bill" ; "bloom, deborah" ; "bonilla, jackie" ; "brint, georgia" ; "carrabello, lori" ; "Dee Pearson" ; "dugan, fran" ; "fisher, sherry" ; "gonzalez, ken" ; "gonzalez, sharon" ; "gonzalez, victor" ; "hopenfeld bruce" ; "jager, sandy" ; "Jeanine Serusa" ; "kurt stoffers" ; "maas, claudia" ; "manalang, kathleen" ; "miller, karen j." ; "murray, grace" ; "pinckard alicia" ; "rivera, maria" ; "rosenthal leticia" ; "schelunes norma" ; "schoendaler, elizabeth" ; "serusa, carlo jr." ; "solner-janjigian, susie" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:11 PM Subject: [Fwd: Flags Across America] > > FYI... > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Flags Across America > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:26:32 -0700 > From: "Cam Strom" > Reply-To: alicejones@home.com > Organization: ASIC Technology > To: Laurie Cook , Bebe & Tom Montgomery > , Rose Hoffman , Carol > Rose , grushing@lsil.com,sue@lsil.com, > bdowling@lsil.com, bag@lsil.com, lips@lsil.com,Dorothy Sanute > , pebbles@lsil.com,alicec@lsil.com,Jackie Ellsworth > , Rebecca Kruppenbacher > , cwinsted@lsil.com, Shannon Bell > , kbell@lsil.com, runsvick@lsil.com,Norma Schleunes > , Fran Dugan , > chelle@lsil.com > > Please pass this on! > > To show terrorists that we Americans stick together, FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 14 > is "Flags Across America" day. All Americans are asked to display the > American flag either in their homes or cars. Let's keep the meaning of > UNITED in "United States". Pass this onto as many people as you know. > > THANK YOU. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:29:28 -0700 From: "jessica gilwee" Subject: Reply to the "ofcourse we will have a war" statement You guys really need to think about it....what country, think the entire country, in the world, supports terrorists? Now I know that terrorists COME FROM certain countries, making it seem as if they are supportted by the gov't, but NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD SUPPORTS Terrorists. So, therefore, unless the gov't in whatever country the real master mind behind all this is decides to stick up for the guy who did it, there won't be a war. NO One supports a terrorist in this world. No war. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:07:14 -0700 (PDT) From: joe a Subject: an article to read http://www.msnbc.com/news/627900_asp.htm __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:13:35 -0700 (PDT) From: joe a Subject: another article http://www.msnbc.com/news/627957_asp.htm Ok we have are staggering but we haven't fallen. Let's keep the faith. After all, it is not our fault that other countries are jealous of our prosperity. I am really encouraged by the fact that everyone is trying to help. This restores my faith in you all. Light a candle, say a prayer, or whatever but do what you have to keep hope alive. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:35:43 -0700 (PDT) From: joe a Subject: Re: Reply to the "ofcourse we will have a war" statement Jessica- There are several nation-states that actively promote the user of terrorism: Libya, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Sudan just to name a few. They give extensive technical, financial and service help to terrorists. Would you care to examine your statement again? - --- jessica gilwee wrote: > > You guys really need to think about it....what > country, think the entire > country, in the world, supports terrorists? Now I > know that terrorists COME > FROM certain countries, making it seem as if they > are supportted by the > gov't, but NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD SUPPORTS > Terrorists. So, therefore, > unless the gov't in whatever country the real master > mind behind all this is > decides to stick up for the guy who did it, there > won't be a war. NO One > supports a terrorist in this world. No war. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:17:46 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: NPR Reply to the "ofcourse we will have a war" statement - ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe a" To: "jessica gilwee" ; Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Reply to the "ofcourse we will have a war" statement > > Jessica- > > There are several nation-states that actively promote > the user of terrorism: Libya, Iran, Iraq, Syria and > Sudan just to name a few. Powell is on now saying it, reiterating it , this will be a broad reaching offensive against terrorisim. Open season on terrorisim, in other words, no boarders, and take as many prisoners as possible. GW sounded very pissed this afternoon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:25:12 EDT From: AZTECLADY007@aol.com Subject: Re: Please read I have researched this... It isnt written...its just meant to be another sensory jogger... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:30:32 -0700 (PDT) From: John H Subject: NPR: More thought needed or NPR thinking before speaking and How I think the US should proceed 3--If some countries don't give us these people, we do exactly as we say and war begins. If the country states that it cannot find the people we request, then we demand to send our own people in the country to find them. If the country further refuses, then we declare war on them. Who is going to be sent in, and how many of their lives will be lost, you really want to send in American troops in to be killed ? 4--We collect the people involved, put them on trial, and execute them. The point of a trial is to determine if the SUSPECT has commited a crime and choose a sentence if the suspect is guilty, from your statement you have already determined they have and already picked their sentence, what is the point of a trial if you have already made these decisions ? - --- Amy Shurts wrote: > > First of all, I'll reply to this: > < celebrated is to speak without thinking...they have > you setup real good generalizing - thats the same > as > saying since the KKK still exists in America every > American is a member - perhaps that doesn't offend > you, but it offends me greatly.>> > > Thank you for catching me on that, and thank you > also > for not screaming obscenities at me, even if your > response seemed to have a rather nasty tone to it > (although I may just be paranoid). > > I agree that the comment about the Palestinians > celebrating was too sweeping a statement... really, > do > any of us know the truth on that matter? I frankly > wouldn't be surprised if it was true, considering > the > e-mails I've been getting on another list stating > that > "America got what it deserved." However, you're > right, this hasn't been confirmed...well, not by me, > anyway. > > In response to your KKK analogy, I don't care much > about what people think of US in other countries, as > long as they don't threaten our lives because of it. > > I think most people in this world have a skewed idea > of how this country works, and therefore already > dislike Americans. This view is most likely > partially > because (ever since WWII) the US has been sticking > their noses into worldly problems that don't concern > them, rather than merely protecting the country. > But > that gets me into a whole other argument, and I > don't > want to digress into it. > > The rest of the article talks about things that are > known to have actually happened. The author uses > these facts and then states his opinion, as every > editorial does. I realize now that I haven't stated > my opinion as to what the US should do, and this > might > have caused people to be confused as to what I was > arguing. > > This is what we should do, IMHO: > 1--Find out all of the people were involved in this. > > Find out how this was funded and who by. Find out > where these people currently are. ((we seem to be > already doing this)) > 2--Contact the countries in which all of these > people > are hiding, and give them 24 to 48 hours to cough > these people up. We notify these countries that if > they do not cooperate, we consider the entire > country > responsible for the terrorists actions, and declare > war on the country. > 3--If some countries don't give us these people, we > do > exactly as we say and war begins. If the country > states that it cannot find the people we request, > then > we demand to send our own people in the country to > find them. If the country further refuses, then we > declare war on them. > 4--We collect the people involved, put them on > trial, > and execute them. These people WILL NOT have > impunity > because they are from other countries. These people > WILL have a chance to defend whether they were truly > involved in the attack (or preperation for the > attack > or funding for the attack, etc.) or not. > > We do not need to start a war merely because we are > upset. However, if we do not find and gather the > people involved in this attack QUICKLY, we will be > sending a message that all we do when thousands of > our > people are killed is whine. If anyone is familiar > with the "sanction of the victim," that is what I > mean. This horrible tragedy will happen again in > some > other cities if we do not take quick and decisive > action. For those that are arguing that innocent > people may or will be killed, do you really value > the > lives of Americans, Australians, Japanese, and > others > that were killed in these attacks so little? Are > you > willing to let this happen again and again to > productive people because "killing is wrong, no > exceptions"? > > Hopefully, this will never come to war. However, we > should protect ourselves from death and terror by > use > of force. The ONLY time we should use force is when > our liberties are being physically threatened. > Right > now, our right to live is being threatened. Our > right > to try to find happiness is being threatened. These > rights have already been taken away for thousands of > people, by the attacks of Tuesday. Their deaths > were > stupid and meaningless. Do we wish to invite more? > > Well, that's all I have to say on the subject. You > all know my opinion now. If anyone wishes to argue > points with me, please feel free to e-mail me > privately. I won't argue on the list and further > fill > up mailboxes. > > Eliada > > > > __________________________________________________ > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? > Donate cash, emergency relief information > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ===== Unmoderater, Universal Angry Psychos (AllPsychos) __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #406 ***********************************