From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #383 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Wednesday, September 5 2001 Volume 06 : Number 383 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RRHoF Performance online [Ed Hunsinger ] Poe Merchandise [angie ] NPR: the new garbage stuff... ["gini ×" ] Re: P+E Contest at CollegeMusic.com [Voodoo1237@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #382 [Spidersrcute2@aol.com] NPR: oh yeah.. something else ["Rusty Shelby" ] Poe and Mark CD, Don't be scared... [Miki Proud ] Re: tour [Peaceofpiedesign@aol.com] Re: Dallas APs ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: tour/college/ohio [HauntedMidnight@aol.com] RE: Poe's Taste [lance.kinney@amd.com] Re: Election. [Uofofan@aol.com] NPR - Garbage - NPR ["jayson g" ] Re: Election. [Dan98908@aol.com] Re: One final Britney comment.... ["Brian Brantley" ] Re: NPR: Public Office [Peaceofpiedesign@aol.com] NPR: Baldwin-Wallace ["jessica davidson" ] Re: Poe's taste [EMOKidsSmell@aol.com] 2 of 3 Disturbing Truths of Yahoo Groups ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: NPR: oh yeah.. something else ["j." ] NPR: tour [Adam Neubauer ] Re: Poe and Mark CD, Don't be scared... ["j." ] NPR: Public Office [Adam Neubauer ] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #380 PSYCHOS IN THE BAY!!! ["A. Stephen Apsle] Re: Portland AP get together : Full Poe Hall of Fame video ["sp00k@poe.or] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:16:29 -0400 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: RRHoF Performance online That's right, it's ripped, bandwidth is better (although not as great as it should be), and it's uploaded to poe.navelsex.com. The quality of the audio is not as good as I would like, as it was through a vcr, but it's better than nothin. BTW, blatant self indulgence, you can catch me bouncing up and down at the 2:00 mark (the guy in the Blue Richmond AP shirt with long hair and a goatee :) I currently have up a 90megabyte MPEG file in VCD format, smaller DivX version will be coming as soon as I figure why my program won't encode correctly anymore. For the lazy, here's a full URL: http://poe.navelsex.com/POE/Poe_-_Rock_and_Roll_Hall_Of_Fame(7.11.2001)/poe-rr hof-7.11.2001.mpg http://poe.navelsex.com Tear up the bandwidth, let's see if we can beat the 3 gigs the night of the Leno show. :) - -Ed (Divinity) ed@poe.org http://divinity.relic.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 02:51:14 -0400 From: angie Subject: Poe Merchandise http://www.p-o-e.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000021.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 02:08:11 -0500 From: "gini ×" Subject: NPR: the new garbage stuff... I've heard the new garbage album. I'm sure it will draw in a lot of new fans. I knew Garbage would be "experimenting" a lot on this album... but I'm not completely into it. I'm having a hard time adapting to this new...uhmm...style. "Nobody Loves You" is my favourite thus far... it has a Bond-ish 007 feel to it, which for some reason, I really dig. The other songs are pretty much tolerable - except for Androgyny...which I avoid :) (But that is just my personal taste... all my friends happen to love the song) Since there are so many garbage fans on the list - I have been wondering if any of you are on the Garbage fans mailing list at yahoo?? It used to be with onelist but then blah blah blah and now its on Yahoo. If you aren't - you should... basically because the list is REALLY REALLY QUIET. Seriously - - there is more Garbage talk on the AP list then on that... SO - If any of you know a really good Garbage mailing list - please let me know. (I wish there was one like the AP's...) Au Revoir, ~Gini x _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 03:10:03 EDT From: Voodoo1237@aol.com Subject: Re: P+E Contest at CollegeMusic.com i won the one for the hey pretty video and got all the free stuff, also i dont know if you all remember the poe noodle art contest for dallas, well ryan and I one bc poe picked it herself, just thought i would brag. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 03:16:05 EDT From: Spidersrcute2@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #382 yeah Jake, Vegas would be cool except for one thing, my fiancee won't be 21 until December and anywhere I go I like to drag him with. Another thing, Reno would be so much easier for us, since we are *shrug* in the bay area and all... at least it would save us the 8 hour plus drive. Now, if I happened to be down that way visiting my family, well then, it might be plausable. Then it would only be a 2 or 3 hour drive. Anyways, I must be getting off the 'puter soon, need to watch a movie and finish my beer. The club was pretty cool for us, except for the fact that it didn't start picking up until like 10:30 and by then we were ready to head home (my fiancee worked all day). We're going to try a Wednesday sometime soon, and Pete Tong is playing at Rage on October 2 so we'll be there for that. Ah well, good night all!! Tracie BAAP WCAP ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 03:25:37 -0400 From: "Rusty Shelby" Subject: NPR: oh yeah.. something else i almost forgot... [it's 3:11am and i'm all mixed up.... if you got that.. it's +10 for you] in my IM conversations with shell tonight i realized a few things i forgot to share... 1 - i will probably be on mtv in novemeber.. i will tell more when i am sure (jewel has a rodeo boyfriend) 2 - you can get britney spears 2001-2002 tour collectors cups at quicktrip (gas stations extrodinair) 3 - i am in a personal boycott against cable companies.. only 1 in your area? they can charge you what ever they want. that's why i don't have cable... AND.. i need someone how has the following to share with me.. * poe on conan * poe on mtv * madonna on hbo * and any nelly furtado stuff 4 - carson was the only reason i had cable to begin with... 5 - dan is the man and i think that's all - -rusty www.rustyisdabomb.com the web site | agentorange2@mindspring.com | rusty@poe.org ***************************************************************************** ********************************* Jennifer Nettles Band: www.jennifernettles.com | www.jennifernettlesband.com | ON TOUR. ***************************************************************************** ********************************* POE: "Haunted" the album, featuring the hit "Hey Pretty" & the new single "Wild". ON TOUR fall 2001 | www.buffybb.net/poe | www.p-o-e.com send a "Wild" card : www.p-o-e.com/poecard2.html ***************************************************************************** ********************************* Heather Nova : "South" the new album, October 2001. US tour in September. the first single : "I'm No Angel" | www.heather-nova.com | www.heathernova.com ***************************************************************************** ********************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:48:46 -0700 From: "Steve Borzilleri" Subject: Poe's Taste Are we supposed to guess what Poe tastes like? Is she being pureed into a mixed cocktail, or stirred into some kind of cake? Ah well, if Poe were a spice she'd be a heavenly mixture of white grapes and black licorice. Dang, that actually sounds really good. Like with vanilla ice cream or something... Someone call Ben & Jerry, it's time for a Poe flavor! Which reminds me, is Poe being served up at the next Portland meeting? Or as we nicknamed it, the ShishkaPoe? Guys, do you realize we can't have any more meetings if we gobble up Poe like so many ravenous trolls beneath bridges without billygoats? How did we get on the subject of Poe's taste anyway? >From: "Sarah H." >Subject: Poe's taste > >I like the clothes poe wears! Anybody got any idea where >she shops???? Poe makes her own clothing, soaking diver's wetsuits in large barrels of freshly-squeezed ink from highlighter markers. I'm thinking of Poe's neon pink shirt. The really hot bright one that goes right through your contact lenses and burns your corneas. :) Suddenly I'm reminded of Chandler from an old episode of "Friends" where he's describing a bracelet Joey gave him... "The EYESORE from the Liberace House of CRAP!!" If there's one item in a store that is so loud and clashing that no one else wants to buy it, Poe's fashion agents will surely scoop it up. Scoop it up like a spoonful of Poe-flavored ice cream! I just wish Poe would complete that line of shirts with other colors like lime green, rocket red, maybe a fluorescent blue... Steve _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 02:30:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Miki Proud Subject: Poe and Mark CD, Don't be scared... Okay, so I posted that I was getting a Poe and Mark collaboration CD a while back, and that if anyone wanted a copy, to email me. Well, I got the cd (I'm listening to it right now), and it's awesome. So, if anyone wants me to burn them one, please drop me a line. Anyone who's already requested a copy may want to send me an email with their address in it, as there's a good chance I've lost a couple of your messages by now. Like I said before, if you have anything to trade, that'd be great, but if not, no worries. If you're not trading though, a few bucks for the shipping costs would be much appreciated. Just call me Psycho Claus. Tryin to spread the love to a lately very hostile list. Much Love Miki ===== I dreamt tomorrow had a prettier face... He's a merman...he doesn't need a voice And right there for a minute, I knew you so well . Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 06:24:52 EDT From: Peaceofpiedesign@aol.com Subject: Re: tour In a message dated 9/4/01 6:40:48 PM Central Daylight Time, wildoona@purpleturtle.com writes: > can we make suggestions as to what colleges we would want POE to come to??? > she should go to ones that have APs so we can advertise for her, which > means she should come to Sam Houston State in TX. hee hee that would make > me SOOO happy! > toodles > tara > p.s. everyone needs to hug and remember that we are all a big family and > C'mon University of Arkansas at Fayetteville ... or Tulsa University ... crossing my fingers! :::::::doing an indian poe show chant::::::::: Julie P Julie Pendley Peace of Pie Digitizing and Design www.peaceofpiedesign.com bus 501.582.4278 fax 501.582.5827 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:37:27 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: Dallas APs Hi, even the you are a SOAP? I'm guessing, I am glad to see your information posted to the REAL angry-psychos e-mail list. Although I live in the NY area, I may be in the Dallas area in two weeks. Who knows, maybe some others will be in the Dallas area, I have an idea, why not keep us ALL posted? Just put SOAP in the subject line. Thanks. sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:29:57 EDT From: HauntedMidnight@aol.com Subject: Re: tour/college/ohio In a message dated 9/4/2001 10:15:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KrodKnid@aol.com writes: <<< I say The University of Akron. We never get good concerts around here, and I know she luhvs Ohio! There are cool places that she can go to, also :) > luhv~n~stuff > carri > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > She could link it to Chicago/Ann Arbor gigs>>> Hell anywhere in Ohio would make me a happy Angry Psycho... Although I'm in Columbus, I would drive north,south, east, or west to see our Goddess. :) Ohio State could be cool too though... xoxo Alexandra . . . . I a m n o t w h o I u s e d t o b e . . . . ++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:50:22 -0500 From: lance.kinney@amd.com Subject: RE: Poe's Taste You know, there is really only one way to go with a response to this, and that way is down... So, I'll selflessly volunteer for the tasting party. I'll keep you filled in... LanceKitty, choking the cherry > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Borzilleri [mailto:faresta2001@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 3:49 AM > To: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: Poe's Taste > > > > Are we supposed to guess what Poe tastes like? Is she being > pureed into a > mixed cocktail, or stirred into some kind of cake? Ah well, > if Poe were a > spice she'd be a heavenly mixture of white grapes and black licorice. > > Dang, that actually sounds really good. Like with vanilla ice > cream or > something... Someone call Ben & Jerry, it's time for a Poe > flavor! Which > reminds me, is Poe being served up at the next Portland > meeting? Or as we > nicknamed it, the ShishkaPoe? Guys, do you realize we can't > have any more > meetings if we gobble up Poe like so many ravenous trolls > beneath bridges > without billygoats? How did we get on the subject of Poe's > taste anyway? > > >From: "Sarah H." > >Subject: Poe's taste > > > >I like the clothes poe wears! Anybody got any idea where > >she shops???? > > Poe makes her own clothing, soaking diver's wetsuits in large > barrels of > freshly-squeezed ink from highlighter markers. I'm thinking > of Poe's neon > pink shirt. The really hot bright one that goes right through > your contact > lenses and burns your corneas. :) Suddenly I'm reminded of > Chandler from an > old episode of "Friends" where he's describing a bracelet > Joey gave him... > "The EYESORE from the Liberace House of CRAP!!" If there's > one item in a > store that is so loud and clashing that no one else wants to > buy it, Poe's > fashion agents will surely scoop it up. Scoop it up like a > spoonful of > Poe-flavored ice cream! > > I just wish Poe would complete that line of shirts with other > colors like > lime green, rocket red, maybe a fluorescent blue... > > Steve > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:38:24 EDT From: Uofofan@aol.com Subject: Re: Election. Just a note on the election debate. If I had the choice between a professor and a kid...I vote for the kid everytime, at least there is a chance that they understand reality in some regards. I know too many professors who I would not trust to mail a letter... Just my two cents, any professors out there can blast me now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:44:30 -0500 From: "jayson g" Subject: NPR - Garbage - NPR They're selling the record-store-advanced-promos on EBAY. Also you can download ALL the songs off WinMX. I downloaded them all and burned them to cd. Granted, the quality isn't that good - but it will at least hold me over until the real cd comes out. It turned out to be a really cool album! - -Jay - ------------> > >Well, the Beautiful Garbage song comes out Oct 2nd, which i am sure the >fans >know.. Well, you can get lyrics to songs, and clips to (Shut your mouth, >Androgyny, Cup of coffee, Cherry lips, Untouchable..) Go to >www.afn.org/~afn01455 > >I am sooo excited... new garbage cd, possible tour.. And a possible Poe >tour.. I couldn't be more excited, or happy.... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:45:24 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: Election. In a message dated 9/5/2001 8:39:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Uofofan@aol.com writes: > If I had the choice between a professor > and a kid...I vote for the kid everytime, at least there is a chance that > they understand reality in some regards Professors teach the past ...kids MAKE the future. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:59:26 -0400 From: "Brian Brantley" Subject: Re: One final Britney comment.... Boo-Hoo Britney still sucks!!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 1:55 PM Subject: NPR: One final Britney comment.... When I first posted that comment on Britney Speras and how much I liked her, I was surprised at how much negative feedback it received. First off, being the Britney fan that I am, I'm going to tell you some of the things you may not know about her.... People heard about BT producing her record..... Its true. He produced five of the 12+ tracks. And did you ever stop and think that maybe, just maybe that he WASN'T producing a kiddy-pop album to sell records???!!! Britney has written 7 of the tracks on the album, and she actually plays guitar on 2. This year at the VMA's there are rumors that she will even be playing the guitar while debuting her new single. It may be true that Britney's first two albums were for looks and to sell records, but this one might possibly be diferent. This one is for the music. Her cover of 'Satisfaction' won her the praise of Mick Jagger himself. after a performance of the song he saw he personally came up to her and congratulated her on such a great job. If you dont believe me, go browse the internet and look up the pics of them shaking hands. And speaking of how out of tune Britney was at last year's MTV VMA's, did you here how AWFUL 'Walk the Walk' sounded on MTV on August 29th? I thought, 'Is this really my POE'? I am not mad at POE but I am mad at you all and I am not going to stop liking POE because of your words, so all I can do is unsubscribe to the list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:23:27 -0500 From: "Knight Arthur" Subject: Re: tour You IU ppl get Ani, we should get her to come to Purdue. I know plenty of people who would come (including me), and a fair amount of people would come just because it's the only good concert this year (noone wants to see muddy waters tribute band or Bela Fleck) >From: "Sarae Montgomery" >To: , , > >Subject: Re: tour >Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:53:55 -0500 > > > > > can we make suggestions as to what colleges we would want POE to come >to??? > > > she should go to ones that have APs so we can advertise for her, which > > > means she should come to Sam Houston State in TX. hee hee that would >make > > > me SOOO happy! > > > toodles > > > tara > > > > Not to mention Rutgers University in New Brunswick....the ladies in our >women > > group would squeal with glee over her and her powerful lyrics:) > > Sharmel > >and indiana university... but we've got ani this month.. don't know how >much >more female stuff they can handle :) >-s _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:25:39 EDT From: Peaceofpiedesign@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Public Office In a message dated 9/4/01 11:47:25 PM Central Daylight Time, jak@ircII.org writes: > Yeah, but how many people do you know that would take an 18 year old > seriously > enough to vote for them? Not gonna happen, my friend :) > > On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 10:22:38PM -0400, KrodKnid@aol.com wrote: > [snip] > > > Hey, in Texas they had a guy who was 104 running for congress. An 18 > year > > > old kid at the other end of the spectrum can run for council or > whatever > > > down there and get away with it. SOAPs rule! (oops...how unOAP of me). > True, it would be unlikely ... however ... STRANGER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED ... I mean, c'mon ... W anyone? It doesn't even take a majority of votes these days. JP ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 12:33:39 -0400 From: "jessica davidson" Subject: NPR: Baldwin-Wallace Does anybody go to Baldwin-Wallace College? I'm a freshman, and I have yet to meet anyone who isn't an NSYNC fan, and I'm dying to talk to someone who likes Garbage and Poe!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:35:20 EDT From: EMOKidsSmell@aol.com Subject: Re: Poe's taste OHOHOHOHHHHH! That black skirt! I actually have THAT SAME SKIRT! Only I got it like 4 years ago and can not for the life of me remember where I go it. I don't think she shops at like, the mall, I think she shops at little boutiques and stuff like that. You know, all those hip little shops hidden all over town.... Megan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:13:18 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: 2 of 3 Disturbing Truths of Yahoo Groups Begin Page 2 of 3 I also want to comment that OVERALL I am opposed to ANY redundancy of services already offered within the AP community, ESPECIALLY when they contribute to the fragmentation of communications, which these OFFLIST groups so clearly do. Things should not change in communties that already have strong ties except now if they like there will be a place for them to meet and chat in a smaller, more intimate setting Ever heard of http://poe.org ? Every AP on this list may have a "small intimate setting" named anything they want just by typing /join #smallintimate for example. Again, a redundancy of services, and FURTHER, a very DISTURBING aspect of this, YOU are NOT supportive of the existing chat services, if you were, you would encourage and HELP people to utilize what we already have instead of creating MORE layers outside of the in place and working services that are available to ALL AP's on this list. "The regional groups will not replace nor interfere with the Angry Psychos main mailing list, or any existing state AP groups" Well it seems pretty apparent that this is just downright bullshit. The content of the list is being altered, and I'd say you are causing more confusion of who should post what where, and at the same time making data that may have relevance outside of your tunnel vision lost to those who may find it relevant in their agenda. AND the state regional map has been completely redrawn and new regional "MODERATORS" appointed. This is where more people feel they can take an active role in building the Poe community instead of the complaint I have heard too many times that the same group of people seem to do the most and the rest follow. WHO ARE YOU? When did you open a complaint desk? Again, where did you get your data from? How about supporting this position with some hard facts? AND, what a JOKE, look at this list! Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the people on it, tho they may hate me at this point, but gee, there seem to be a bunch of familiar faces on here that already "Do the most" that "the rest follow" MAAP, Shanna-----Shadow123@rocketmail.com MWAP, Tony-----tonycu@earthlink.net SEAP, Rusty----agentorange2@mindspring.com SOAP, Brenda----- BRENDLES@prodigy.net WCAP, Dan------ Dan98908@aol.com NEAP, Amy----- Tohaveaplan@att.net SWAP, Conrad ----- endorphyne@qwest.net NCAP, Not filled---- End Page 2 of 3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:48:38 EDT From: EMOKidsSmell@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Public Office The justice of the peace for my county was elected while he was still in high school and is now serving his 3rd term. County commissioner generally runs unopposed, but I know the current commissioner will run again. Voter turn out is embarrassingly low so I would only need about 2,000 votes for a county with about 400,000 people in it. I think I'm going to run. Dan I'm going to use your little line... "Professors teach the past, Kids make the future!!!" I'm going to say that as much as possible from now on while I'm kissing all the babies of Dallas. Megan In a message dated 9/4/01 7:19:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jak@ircII.org writes: << Not to be overly cynical, but you haven't a snowball's chance in hell of winning, at your age >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:48:46 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Disturbing Truths of Yahoo AP Groups Disturbing Truths of Yahoo AP Groups tohaveaplan@att.net Said On This List "There are currently 944 psychos according to the main page- there are probably less because of resign ups. I would like to set a goal of 40% of that belonging to our chapters by the end of the year." "One way to do this is to convince people there really are advantages to belonging regionally" Why is it so important to " Convince" people to join? what is this urgency? Why MUST we have this? There should NOT be any advantage, or incentive, AP's should not be cohered into participation or required to join OFFLIST groups in order to participate in what membership in the Angry-Psychos should be, i.e., AP events. Also, as the regional leaders I would like for us to be the most tight knit group there is. Hey Eric, Exej, EJ, Friend of xeno? How F N Elite is that? NO I don't like the tone of that at ALL. ALSO, you are not "LEADERS", cause we ain't your "FOLLOWERS" and you ain't "MODERATORS", how about trying out something a little more earthly like "Regional Coordinator" which if anybody ever gets around to coordinating anything other than a who's who list it will be a miracle. Said To ME Privately "This concept is not to single-out or kill existing solidarity but to give those who do not have a regional group (comraderie in their own neighborhood) a place to get together with others because the regular big board often feels isolating to those who should be closer." Where did the data come from to support this conclusion? I do not recall anybody taking a poll, I never got a questioner. Who are these "Isolated" AP's? Aside from the Alaska "Forsaken AP's" ? I also want to comment that OVERALL I am opposed to ANY redundancy of services already offered within the AP community, ESPECIALLY when they contribute to the fragmentation of communications, which these OFFLIST groups so clearly do. Things should not change in communties that already have strong ties except now if they like there will be a place for them to meet and chat in a smaller, more intimate setting Ever heard of http://poe.org ? Every AP on this list may have a "small intimate setting" named anything they want just by typing /join #smallintimate for example. Again, a redundancy of services, and FURTHER, a very DISTURBING aspect of this, YOU are NOT supportive of the existing chat services, if you were, you would encourage and HELP people to utilize what we already have instead of creating MORE layers outside of the in place and working services that are available to ALL AP's on this list. "The regional groups will not replace nor interfere with the Angry Psychos main mailing list, or any existing state AP groups" Well it seems pretty apparent that this is just downright bullshit. The content of the list is being altered, and I'd say you are causing more confusion of who should post what where, and at the same time making data that may have relevance outside of your tunnel vision lost to those who may find it relevant in their agenda. AND the state regional map has been completely redrawn and new regional "MODERATORS" appointed. This is where more people feel they can take an active role in building the Poe community instead of the complaint I have heard too many times that the same group of people seem to do the most and the rest follow. WHO ARE YOU? When did you open a complaint desk? Again, where did you get your data from? How about supporting this position with some hard facts? AND, what a JOKE, look at this list! Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the people on it, tho they may hate me at this point, but gee, there seem to be a bunch of familiar faces on here that already "Do the most" that "the rest follow" MAAP, Shanna-----Shadow123@rocketmail.com MWAP, Tony-----tonycu@earthlink.net SEAP, Rusty----agentorange2@mindspring.com SOAP, Brenda----- BRENDLES@prodigy.net WCAP, Dan------ Dan98908@aol.com NEAP, Amy----- Tohaveaplan@att.net SWAP, Conrad ----- endorphyne@qwest.net NCAP, Not filled---- In other words, in many ways, what you are saying is that what we have already is not good enough. Well maybe the services are good just not the people who use them. It is a theme I have seen over and over when people invoke the name of change around here. Then to add insult to injury they recruit and promote themselves directly on the list that they find so faulty. Oh, I'm never offended. Just everybody else is. Is anybody else on this list familiar with the "Me Too" syndrome? Here is a good example of it. I'd like to meet h the ones in Portland, OR. Anthony You have succeeded. And it is about time for another Portland get together anyway. You should follow the WCAP list for more local information or this main list for Poe specific info. I will privately send you a list of Portland APs. If you don't get it in the next day or two please remind me. There are now at least 8 more posts related to this thread on the main list, which is fine, but it WILL grow more confusing as time goes on when a simple WCAP would suffice. As the list grows, as regional issues arise, you may anticipate this type of mail on a daily basis. I am NOT opposed to regional groups. I am opposed to taking the regions off of the list when a simple WCAP, SOAP, NEAP in the subject line should suffice. I think it should be apparent to most that there seems to be a lot of propaganda going on to see to it that the yahoo groups happen. Also, the psychology of how this is all for our own good and in response to issues that apparently are only known to a special few and how these people are doing us a big favor rubs me the wrong way. On the same theme would be Dan's recent invoking of the names of Jarrod and Robby as if they endorsed this project, which if they did, I never saw it. I think I have made it clear that people are creating these groups in response to alleged problems that have no substance in fact, that can be found in public conversations to this list. I'd also like to thank those of you who per usual, send your support privately. sp00k etc ... Uncoordinator Universal Angry-Psychos Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:58:52 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Disturbing Truths of Yahoo AP Groups 1 of 3 Disturbing Truths of Yahoo AP Groups tohaveaplan@att.net Said On This List "There are currently 944 psychos according to the main page- there are probably less because of resign ups. I would like to set a goal of 40% of that belonging to our chapters by the end of the year." "One way to do this is to convince people there really are advantages to belonging regionally" Why is it so important to " Convince" people to join? what is this urgency? Why MUST we have this? There should NOT be any advantage, or incentive, AP's should not be cohered into participation or required to join OFFLIST groups in order to participate in what membership in the Angry-Psychos should be, i.e., AP events. Also, as the regional leaders I would like for us to be the most tight knit group there is. Hey Eric, Exej, EJ, Friend of xeno? How F N Elite is that? NO I don't like the tone of that at ALL. ALSO, you are not "LEADERS", cause we ain't your "FOLLOWERS" and you ain't "MODERATORS", how about trying out something a little more earthly like "Regional Coordinator" which if anybody ever gets around to coordinating anything other than a who's who list it will be a miracle. Said To ME Privately "This concept is not to single-out or kill existing solidarity but to give those who do not have a regional group (comraderie in their own neighborhood) a place to get together with others because the regular big board often feels isolating to those who should be closer." Where did the data come from to support this conclusion? I do not recall anybody taking a poll, I never got a questioner. Who are these "Isolated" AP's? Aside from the Alaska "Forsaken AP's" ? End Page 1 of 3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:13:35 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: 3 of 3 Disturbing Truths of Yahoo Groups In other words, in many ways, what you are saying is that what we have already is not good enough. Well maybe the services are good just not the people who use them. It is a theme I have seen over and over when people invoke the name of change around here. Then to add insult to injury they recruit and promote themselves directly on the list that they find so faulty. Oh, I'm never offended. Just everybody else is. Is anybody else on this list familiar with the "Me Too" syndrome? Here is a good example of it. I'd like to meet h the ones in Portland, OR. Anthony You have succeeded. And it is about time for another Portland get together anyway. You should follow the WCAP list for more local information or this main list for Poe specific info. I will privately send you a list of Portland APs. If you don't get it in the next day or two please remind me. There are now at least 8 more posts related to this thread on the main list, which is fine, but it WILL grow more confusing as time goes on when a simple WCAP would suffice. As the list grows, as regional issues arise, you may anticipate this type of mail on a daily basis. I am NOT opposed to regional groups. I am opposed to taking the regions off of the list when a simple WCAP, SOAP, NEAP in the subject line should suffice. I think it should be apparent to most that there seems to be a lot of propaganda going on to see to it that the yahoo groups happen. Also, the psychology of how this is all for our own good and in response to issues that apparently are only known to a special few and how these people are doing us a big favor rubs me the wrong way. On the same theme would be Dan's recent invoking of the names of Jarrod and Robby as if they endorsed this project, which if they did, I never saw it. I think I have made it clear that people are creating these groups in response to alleged problems that have no substance in fact, that can be found in public conversations on this list. I'd also like to thank those of you who per usual, send your support privately. sp00k etc ... Uncoordinator Universal Angry-Psychos Http://Poe.Org Http://DigitalSter.Com ================================ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:24:52 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:18:48 -0400 From: "j." Subject: Re: NPR: oh yeah.. something else I think that the Poe MTV/Conan appearances are both on navelsex..I remember seeing at least Conan there and I think I heard that someone was going to up MTV on IRC a couple of days ago. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:24:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Neubauer Subject: NPR: tour Hey, what's wrong with Bela Fleck? > just because it's the only good concert this year > (noone wants to see muddy > waters tribute band or Bela Fleck) > adam, studiously awaiting seeing Bela Fleck, They Might Be Giants, PJ Harvey, and Poe in the same month. Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:24:22 -0400 From: "j." Subject: Re: Poe and Mark CD, Don't be scared... Miki, is this a copyrighted CD? IE, could it be ripped and uploaded to navelsex? :) Also, what's it called? I've never heard of any Poe cd besides her 2 albums, so forgive my ignorance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:28:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Neubauer Subject: NPR: Public Office I don't remember where now, but I remember an 18 year old becoming mayor of a town. I think it was New Mexico or New York. Or North Carolina. Or something. It can be done. With all the problems of people aged 18-24 not voting at all, I can't help but support someone who is willing to go out and try to make a change. adam Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:28:02 -0700 From: "A. Stephen Apsley" Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #380 PSYCHOS IN THE BAY!!! You went to the Rage last night and didn't tell me? I'm hurt....i'm over it. So anyway, I'm heading over to Six Flags this Saturday. I know it's not Great America, but it's still pretty fun. So if anyone wants to meet there, I'm game. I'll be with a few people, but they won't mind if I indulge my psycho self for a bit. Lemme know if anyone is interested From: Spidersrcute2@aol.com To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #380 PSYCHOS IN THE BAY!!! Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:22:28 EDT hehe, here we go again. POE ADDICTS OF THE BAY AREA, UNITE!!!!! Anyways, due to my unfortunate stupidity, our Great America get together isn't going down this week. Since we're all trying to come up with an alternative plan, anyone got any ideas??? If I have to, I'll Bart in and have lunch with all you wonderful people in the city. My fiancee says Santa Cruz would be cool, but need to know. Anyways, I must go for now, have to go make myself pretty to go to Rage in Sacramento tonight....hopefully the venue won't totally suck and they'll be some pretty good techno/electronica/house being spun by the djs.....hehe just looked at my clock....it's 4:20...how ironic.... Tracie Bay Area Angry Psycho WCAP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:31:15 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: Portland AP get together : Full Poe Hall of Fame video - ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 1:18 AM Subject: Re: Portland AP get together : Full Poe Hall of Fame video > Hello usscvn65@frontiernet.net (sp00k@poe.org), > > In reference to your comment: > > h In other words in order to participate in AP events, > h membership in a yahoo group is required. Exactly > h what everybody said would not happen. sp00k etc > h ... P.S. plus as I said in the beginning, now we have > h all of this additional mail directing people to read their > h respective yahoo groups in order to have complete > h information, when that same mail SHOULD contain the > h information that you are referencing. Lotta redundancy. > > > Once again you miss the point Sp00k. Come on, get with the program. This is > not new, this is not rocket science. This is the way Jarrod and Robby had it > set up. The list was for everyone, sublists were for local coordination. Simple put a WCAP on it, I'm sure there are hundreads of people that are interested in the goings on of the full 2 hour video. Jarrod and Robby never set up an offlist group that I am aware of, and I don't recall them endorsing this. sp00k etc ... P.S. this makes mail #10 at least on this subject of Portland etc... just put a WCAP in it and share with those who may be interested for their own reasons and not YOURS. ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #383 ***********************************