From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #324 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Thursday, July 26 2001 Volume 06 : Number 324 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: concerts [StRaNgLdLoVeSoNg@aol.com] Re: concerts [AZTECLADY007@aol.com] RE: NPR: It's all in how you use it. ["Joel" ] NPR: jewishpagan? [JewlyaINAP@aol.com] Re: concerts ["Margarita Diego" ] Re: concerts [Finedragonfly7@aol.com] NPR:Jewpagan/all how u use it. [JewlyaINAP@aol.com] Re: replies [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #322 [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR: Salads, was Re: replies [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR: It's all in how you use it. [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR: It's all in how you use it. [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR: jewishpagan? [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR "Sunrise" [justin_rossetti@space.com] Re: NPR: best concerts ["J.R. Jobe" ] Re: concerts [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: npr - last album bought [Dracovixen@aol.com] NPR Re: concerts [bash ] Re: PR: Lyrics request [VR5SBloom@aol.com] Portland Poe doin's [Dan98908@aol.com] Poe on the internet Friday morning! [Dan98908@aol.com] NPR: all that stuff ["Oona the fay" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:34:51 EDT From: StRaNgLdLoVeSoNg@aol.com Subject: Re: concerts Snake River Conspiracy and A Perfect Circle that was awesome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:45:39 EDT From: AZTECLADY007@aol.com Subject: Re: concerts DEFINATELY OZOMATLI!!! Have you guys ever seen them LIVE! they are great they really work the audience and they just look amazing when they sing! THey are soooooooooooo full of life...and funny as HELL! LOL Sandra-D :P ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:13:31 -0800 From: "Joel" Subject: RE: NPR: It's all in how you use it. That's exactly the point! First of all, I wasn't being emotional at all, I just write for emphasis. I am trying to be objective. The definitions givien by the quiz are wrong, at least for reformed Judaism. I have studied a great deal of religion and there is no such thing as a non-believer in any type of judaism. The fundamental belief id that of a God.It is the first commandment. "I am the Lord thy God." In any Jewish service or gathering the words "Hear, oh Isreal, the Lord is God, the Lord is One." are repeated at least thrice. If you are talking about BELIEF, then there is no such thing. If you are talking about the RACE "Jewish people" then sure there can be varying beliefs in God. It is like saying that there can be a true christian that does not believe in Christ. You can't go against the most important tenets of a religion and belong to it. J - ---Original Message---- Straight from beliefnet.com: Neo-Paganism --  Belief in Deity Some believe in a Supreme Being. Many believe in God and Goddess--a duality. Many believe there are countless spirit beings, gods and goddesses, in the cosmos and within all of nature--God is all and within all; all are one God. The Great Mother Earth, or Mother Nature, is highly worshipped. Divinity is immanent and may become manifest within anyone at any time through various methods. Reform Judiasm --  Belief in Deity Beliefs vary among adherents, including that of nonbelief or questioning belief, and all are welcome and considered personal, but the official stance is that there is one God Almighty--Creator, all-powerful, ever-present, and all knowing--formless, incorporeal spirit. So, according to beliefnet.com, it is possible to have a score of whatever, and have two religions that appear fundamentally different, yet aren't. I believe that Brenda's results justify the quiz, as you stated in your last email. We, as a country, have a large panopoly of bliefs, bringing in different tenents of faith to create whatever suits us best. So yes, it is possible to be Neo-Pagan and Reform Judiasm, as I believe Brenda is neither. Break down your typifications and set yourself free. That was corny, I know, but man, you're showing too much emotion for a quiz that's supposed to help. If it doesn't help you fine, but it might help some people, so let it go. Just let it go, man. (Repeated for dramatic effect.) adam - --- cthulhu9@ucla.edu wrote: > > Brenda's results prove the complete stupidity of the > quiz and show that it has no validity at all. How in > the hell can someone be 100% reform Judaism and 95% > Neo-Pagan. The fundamental and basic tenet of any > type of Judaism is the beleif in ONE GOD!!! How can > someone undoubtably beleive one God and be pagan? > Absolutely absurd. > Joel Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:00:06 EDT From: JewlyaINAP@aol.com Subject: NPR: jewishpagan? In a message dated 07/25/2001 9:07:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, adam_neubauer@yahoo.com writes: > And a jewish pagan? How do you do that? > > Just curious. > > adam > Well, I was born and raised Jewish, and I practice to the fullest extent that my spiritual self will allow me, which admitantly isn't far. I fully respect and acknowledge all aspects of judasim, even those I dont belive....and I attend the holy functions of the religion. But, I have always had a wonder of religion....and as I grew I researched and at 18 I came to the conclusion I was pagan, and my studies have pretty much confirmed it. Since then I have been spiritually aware, and very happy with it, while it is a ever changing mold.....as every day I learn more about life. It hasnt been a easy path, and I am only now begining to rediscover Judaism...I am 24. In addition, I dont think religion is necessarily concrete. It depends on the person and their personal identity. So, in the words of montel jordan, and turning myself into a royal being, "This is how we do it." Heh, I love that song, and anyone who has any other questions, please ask me, i know it is an odd situation..it isnt for everyone, it suits me quite well though:) Shari ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:12:42 +0000 From: "Margarita Diego" Subject: Re: concerts Hmm...my first concert ever was Michael Jackson. I was about 9 I think and I had a really shitty seat but it was fun. That was followed by Whitney Houston, followed by Alanis Morissette (that was AWESOME) and then Red Hot Chili Peppers, followed by Shakira! Oh yeah. And I used to be the biggest Hanson fan back in 9th grade so when they came last year I couldn't miss it. Not a lot of big performers come to Chile but well. That's life. Maybe someday I'll see Tori and Poe...and Natalie...and Fiona...*sniff* - -margarina- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:28:22 EDT From: Finedragonfly7@aol.com Subject: Re: concerts madonna, last week awesome. toadies, and NIN 3x's, and of course Poe was the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:56:26 EDT From: JewlyaINAP@aol.com Subject: NPR:Jewpagan/all how u use it. In a message dated 07/25/2001 7:28:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cthulhu9@ucla.edu writes: > You can't go against the most important tenets of a religion and belong to > it. > J > Well, By being born into a jewish family, i am a jew. Period. That is how judaism works. The religion, as well as the 'race' as u put it. Ask my Rabbi if u want a confirmation. Are you telling me that all through my strictly Pagan days, I was not a jew? When I got dressed up and went to the high holy day services, I wasn't a jew? When I sat on the bima and cried when I had my bat mitzvah cause i wasn't feeling it, I wasnt a jew? Well, tell that to all the jewish people of the world and get them to understand before you tell the list that...cause I am sure quite a few, from reformed to orthodox will stop you and say, "When one is born to a JEWISH mother, they are born into the Jewish RELIGION." Not race, not nationality, not even just the culture. The RELIGION. And I am sorry if that is harsh to say and sound, but really this whole thing is pissing me off. Whatever happened to acceptance of people for what they want to be? If I identify as a jew, who is someone else to tell me I am wrong? And even if I DONT identify as a jew, is someone going to sit here and tell me that just cause i am not feeling it, identifying with it, that I am not one, when thousands of years have said/proved otherwise? I dont think so. Stick to your own religion, and let others stick to theirs. AND while I am on this rant, Everyone, it's a fucking quiz. Like one of those "are you being taken advantage by your man" quizes. Anyone who seriously uses that quiz as more than a stepping stool for knowledge, (KNOWLEDGE NOT FAITH!), has a lot of soul searching to do. I AM A JEWISH PAGAN. I am not a liberal protestant as it said. I AM A JEWISH PAGAN! and I am PROUD. now, everyone, pick the religion they most strongly identify with and say with me: I am a _______, and my religious choice is right for me. No ones convoluted theories can dilute my belifes. I know I am _____ from my own personal life experiences, and from teachings that I agree with. I am a ______and I am proud to be one. Love, Shari ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:44:19 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: replies In a message dated 7/25/2001 5:54:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rbbrantley@steelspaninc.com writes: > How in the hell did we digress to this...........;) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It's that "hell" part of your post that did it...must have been the > religion thread:-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:48:33 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #322 In a message dated 7/25/2001 6:16:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PoeKittie@aol.com writes: > Ok, ok, I figured if everyone is confessing these big embarassing first > concerts..mine was New Kids with Tommy page opening!! Boy oh boy..what a > night!! :) > luhv~n~stuff > Carri >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Embarassing first concerts? DarkeBob has just taken things into a whole new territory with endless possibilities for embarassment. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:50:59 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Salads, was Re: replies In a message dated 7/25/2001 6:37:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rbbrantley@steelspaninc.com writes: > Ok.....now this is just too much information!!!!! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Here is a link that might "fit" the subject. Heh, heh... > Lingam Gnosis > http://www.backdoor.com/thenumber/penis1.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:03:42 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: It's all in how you use it. In a message dated 7/25/2001 7:28:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cthulhu9@ucla.edu writes: > I have studied a great deal of religion and there is no such thing as a > non-believer in any type of judaism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excuse me, but Reform Jews are those of the modern, intellectual persuasion. They are often atheists like Freud, who was nevertheless a Jew. Reform Jews read the Old Testament as a history of their people and usually have more scientific explanations for those stories rather than spiritual ones. They are the Jews referred to as "commie, pinko, Jew, atheist" by white supremist, redneck Christian types. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:07:27 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: It's all in how you use it. In a message dated 7/25/2001 7:28:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cthulhu9@ucla.edu writes: > In any Jewish service or gathering the words "Hear, oh Isreal, the Lord is > God, the Lord is One." are repeated at least thrice. If you are talking > about BELIEF, then there is no such thing. If you are talking about the > RACE "Jewish people" then sure there can be varying beliefs in God. It is > like saying that there can be a true christian that does not believe in > Christ. You can't go against the most important tenets of a religion and > belong to it. > J > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > That's just it. I have heard the saying a number of times from Jewish > friends: "The Jews are not a religion, they are a people!" Reform Jews hold > onto their tradition of Judaism but allow for scepticism as to the > existence of God. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:13:24 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: jewishpagan? In a message dated 7/25/2001 7:28:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JewlyaINAP@aol.com writes: > > And a jewish pagan? How do you do that? > > > > Just curious. > > > > adam > > > > Well, I was born and raised Jewish, and I practice to the fullest extent > that > my spiritual self will allow me, which admitantly isn't far. I fully > respect > and acknowledge all aspects of judasim, even those I dont belive....and I > attend the holy functions of the religion. > > But, I have always had a wonder of religion....and as I grew I researched > and > at 18 I came to the conclusion I was pagan, and my studies have pretty much > confirmed it. Since then I have been spiritually aware, and very happy with > it, while it is a ever changing mold.....as every day I learn more about > life. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Sam Rosenthal, of Black Tape For A Blue girl as well as founder of THE > Uber-Goth record label "Projekt", might be a good example of a pagan/Jew. > However, I am still of the opinion that the terms are mutually > exclusive...since pagan is essentially a term originally used to describe > someone who was not Jewish. Same thing goes for a pagan/Christian. This > does not mean that many of the beliefs do not coincide. Think of the > Easter/Christmas thread we recently had on this list. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 2001 18:14:38 -0700 From: justin_rossetti@space.com Subject: Re: NPR "Sunrise" Thanks for all the positive feedback. I swore I would never write again, but I think after reading all the good things you guys and girls have said about my story "Sunrise" I feel good inside! :) Thanks, all of you. ___________________________________________________________________ Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:18:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "J.R. Jobe" Subject: Re: NPR: best concerts - ---Family Values '98, I got to go backstage where I said, "what's up" to Ice Cube, and I was also in the Korn Cage on stage behind their drummer. - ---Jobe Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:17:38 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: concerts In a message dated 7/25/2001 7:31:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mmd82@hotmail.com writes: > Maybe someday I'll see Tori and Poe...and Natalie...and > Fiona...*sniff* > > -margarina- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > This just means you will have to come up here to see Tori or Poe...or maybe > go to Europe:-) > "Caminante, no hay caminos...solamente el aguaje del barco, sobre el mar." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:57:19 EDT From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: npr - last album bought I bought the Tori Amos tribute album "Songs of a Goddess: A Tribute to Tori Amos", out on Cleopatra Records. I love it. Black Dove << >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: Re: NPR- OKAY...What was the LAST CD you purchased? >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:33:35 -0700 > > >Hello and Haunted... Wow! Me too! going to get Tool and Gorillaz on Thursday though. ~Vanessa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:09:20 -0700 From: bash Subject: NPR Re: concerts Joellercoaster of Love wrote: >Boston (Tom Scholz playing Toccota and Fugue in D minor on an organ that made up the entire back of the stage). > > Joel Okay, now I'm truly jealous...I loved Boston, and had the HUGEST crush on Sholz... Mines best is hard to choose: The first was Queen's Day at the Races tour - incredible. Yes' 90125 Tour in 84 was amazing. I've seen some awesome Todd Rundgren and Average White Band gigs in the 90s, Tori Amos was amazing, and now I've finally seen Mode, who always give a good show. - -- Bash Owner: http://pub79.ezboard.com/bplushroom1789 and http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Plush_Room ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:16:28 EDT From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: Re: PR: Lyrics request From : "*~* Melissa *~*" >Does someone have the lyrics to "Could've Gone Mad" that they could send >me...I really wish Polishchick was back in service... Polishchick stole (OK not really, he did give a credit and a link, which of course nobody paid attention to) its first set of lyrics mostly from houseofleaves.4t.com, and those had been stolen from Atlantic's press kit. The press kit had a few typos, plus a few slight differences that aren't heard on the album. houseofleaves.4t.com intentionally left them all in, and when Poe went through Polishchick's lyrics, she called Dean on "the ass is a tree" lyric being incorrect during a chat. That should teach you all not to steal content. ::P Dean got revised lyrics from someone but never got around to putting them up. >I feel so...lost... Well there is a map available to you, which includes other sites with lyrics that may or may not be more accurate, but it's up to you to chart your own course. http://houseofleaves.4t.com/plinks.html - --Michele Open for trades! http://trade.shelle.org/ Got promos, bootlegs, or MP3s of your favorite artist? Feel guilty? Give 'em a tip at http://www.fairtunes.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:22:05 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Portland Poe doin's OK here is what I have so far and with Paul and I both being otherwise distracted this is WAY more incomplete then I would like it to be. I will send out SEVERAL corrections tomorrow I am sure! Poe arrives in Portland tomorrow morning, I am trying to get flight info but it does not look good. Poe will be at Music Millennium NW (801 NW 23rd. St. at 23rd and Johnson) at 6:30 PM. NOTE THAT IT IS THE NW STORE!!!! I told one or two people SE and that is wrong!! Friday morning she will be doing a meet and greet at KRSK - Rosie 105 and no doubt will be on the air as well. ROSIE105 does simulcast on the net!!! www.rosie105.com. As soon as I get the time I will call you, but it is supposed to be drive time. She is doing a number of phone interviews during the day Friday but she IS going to try and get together with us somehow! As SOON as I know when I will let you know! We are totally dependent on Poe for when. We have two different locations available to us, depending on what she wants to do. I will have my cell phone with me, if you don't get the details feel free to call me. (800) 646-4392 is my office number and it will forward to my cell phone. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:18:34 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Poe on the internet Friday morning! Poe will be doing a meet and greet and station appearance Friday morning KRSK - Rosie 105 and no doubt will be on the air as well. ROSIE105 does simulcast on the net!!! www.rosie105.com. As soon as I get the time I will call you, but it is supposed to be drive time. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:37:15 -0500 From: "Oona the fay" Subject: NPR: all that stuff ok here i smy abbreviated email to all of those previous NPR off the wall emails: religion quiz thing results: 100%Neo-Paganism first concert: I went to this christian rock show at astroworld, but i dont think that really counts so it would be lynard skynard last concert: POE :) next concert: sunday nite, the cult and monster magnet which by the way stabbing westward was supposed to be there and now they are not which makes me sad cos i have been waiting SOOO long to see them. and stupid ticket master wont give me my money back b/c they were not an headlining act... anyway if anyone wants a ticket to that show it is on sunday nite at arial theatre in houston, texas. $30 email me privatly. if you buy the ticket you can even come hang out with me at the show :) last cd to buy: The Gorillaz. pretty coool thing. different, but i like different. oh yeah everyone go buy nikka costa. that is also a good cd. kinda like a mix of blues and jazz and then some. so yeah there is a bunch of pointless crap to add to this list. everyone have a nice day. toodles tara - This email has been sent using TurtleMail - Get your free email address from www.purpleturtle.com now! ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #324 ***********************************