From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #311 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Friday, July 20 2001 Volume 06 : Number 311 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NPR: minimum wage ["bad bender" ] NPR: Death to the Coca Cola bear! ["bad bender" ] poe and hsx [JezebeIlnHeII@aol.com] Re: npr: "Race" and ethnicity and incest ["Joel" ] Re: NPR: Oh god they're going to drill in the arctic! ["Joel" ] Re: npr: "Race" and ethnicity and incest ["Joel" ] Re: NPR: Oh god they're going to drill in the arctic! [PURPLMOJO@aol.com] Re: NPR: Oh god they're going to drill in the arctic! ["Joel" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:42:24 -0500 From: "bad bender" Subject: NPR: minimum wage I see your point. I have no sympathy for low paid workers though (I'm one myself!). When you apply for a job one of the questions you should ask it what is the pay? When you agree to work for the company it is understood that you will be paid X amount of money per hour or year. If at any time you don't like the job or pay you can always quit. True, you will have to find another job or lose your home, car or go hungry but that isn't the employers concern. They are looking to keep the labor cost down to maximize profit. Life is hard, wear a helmet. "Vuja De- The feeling you've never been here." - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:18 PM Subject: Re: NPR: Oh god they're going to drill in the arctic! > I believe in less Goverment and more power of the people; I also beleive > Goverment has to watch over us to some degree. Some things need to be > regulated for public safety and welfare. Economists might say it's a terrible > thing for goverment to place minimum wages,but I personally agree with it. I > think that businesses need to have this forced on them,cause the majority of > businesses are greedy assholes that don't give a shit about their employees. > There are some good ones out there I happen to work for one of them and I > give thanks to that everytime I start getting pissed or depressed about life. > > I come from a town of about 40,000 people and a state that has one of the > worst economies in the country. It was ranked 48th in states with best > economies (new mexico) Town I was from was a nice place to live and a great > location, but the economy sucked shit. Employers refused to pay a livable > wage. Despite rent increases,gas increases,and all the other increases in > cost of living. They were still paying the same wages they were 10 years ago > when I was in highschool and only ones that were paying more were paying > minimum wage.. > > Which business owners should realize the more you pay your employee's the > happier they will be. Not just because they are getting paid well,but because > they will have the money to pay bills & afford entertainment and material > things to keep them happy in their home life. If your happy at home and in > your life thats gonna spread to work,that will in turn spread to customers or > in work production and efficiency, Making the business more successfull.. > Higher someone at a shit wage where they can barely pay the bills or are > stressed not knowing how they will pay the bills and they are going to come > to work with a shitty attitude causing their performance as well as company > to fall. Some arrogant bastards might say well those are unskilled jobs and > it's there fault they work at some entry level convenience store or fast food > place etc.. Well just like many great civilizations that were built on the > backs of slave labor, Entry level jobs are a major foundation to the economy. > How screwed would we be without our dishwashers busting their backs. One of > the saddest things I saw was a old lady dishwasher that worked for the > restaurant I worked at in highschool. She worked for 10 years busting suds > and was the best damn dishwasher they had and one hell of a person ,great > person to work with. In my opinion a foundation and asset to the company. > They would not give her a raise when she asked for one. She was making 50 > cents more than min. wage and wanting another 50cent raise. She ended up > quitting.. > > The day America wakes up to the fact that paying a LIVEABLE wage will do more > for their business and America is the day I say Away with Min, Wage.. When I > say liveable I mean not only can they afford to pay the necessity bills,but > also a little extra to do or buy things to brighten their days after working > the grindstone at some job that they are often unappreciated or looked down > upon. > > Revolution is my name, Kicking the ass of the status qoue and prosperity here > we go.. Haha my feeble attempt at poetry ;-P > Alaskan Forsaken Angry Psycho > Lord Lonnie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:47:20 -0500 From: "bad bender" Subject: NPR: Death to the Coca Cola bear! We still have some rain forests left? About ten years ago the environmentalists were saying they that there would be no more rain forests after 2000 because of all the clear cutting. Makes about as much sense as global warming I guess. "Vuja De- The feeling you've never been here." - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blue DragonWolf" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 12:19 AM Subject: Re: NPR: Oh god they're going to drill in the arctic! > > >6 species every hour? Where did you come across this number? Is there a > >publication you can direst us to? How will the whole arctic be > destroyed? Is >the earth so fragile that one hole drilled in a cold spot > will kill the >whole area? How will it destroy it? Will the Coca Cola > bear be homeless? >"Mediocrity thrives on standardization." let me find > that website really fast......http://rainforest.care2.com/i?p=233862813This > doesn't have a whole lot of info but it does have a couple of facts and > when I say 6 species an hour I do not mean a flat rate of 6 an hour but > that's what scientists have estimated at the rate the rainforest is being > destroyed. The whole artic will not be destroyed but I'm sure when the > rainforest first started getting cut down we didn't think that we would > get that far either but now the rainforest is in mucho danger. I'm afraid > of the drilling escalating. And yes the earth is that fragile...... well, > ok not so much fragile but I believe that with the rate our population is > growing we need to conserve our natural resources a lot more before we > have no earth to live on anymore.je t'aime,LB *who really hopes that this > email turns out ok with the new hotmail format* "You haven't truly made > it until your head is on a pez dispenser." "I once stayed up all night > playing poker with tarot cards. I dealt a full house and 4 people died." > ~ Steven Wright Visit me online: www.geocities.com/timberwolf0601 Talk to > me online: aim: beltain25 icq: 15606443 msn: sugarbaby_25@hotmail.com > yahoo: incredible_temptations > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:12:53 EDT From: JezebeIlnHeII@aol.com Subject: poe and hsx This is from HSX An ArtistStockTM represents a musical artist or bond whose price changes based on supply and demand. If a lot of people buy an ArtistStockTM, the price will go up, so your goal is to predict which ArtistStocksTM are going to be in high demand by other traders. If you don't see your favorite artists, be sure to email us at artistinfo@hsx.com, and be sure to let us know if you run a fan site for that artist. Happy trading! Obviously Poe is already on HXS .. but I know we have alot of great fan sites out there. Why not take a minute to mail those site addresses to HSX . It can only help . And while you're at it... sign up and buy some Poe :-) ~jez Buy POE ! It's free. It's FUN . http://www.hsx.com/join/?referrer=jez_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:41:32 -0700 From: "Joel" Subject: Re: npr: "Race" and ethnicity and incest Actually according to the feminist study, the number is one in four, not three in four. ANd that is highly suspect. 73% of women in study had not said they were raped or assaulted, it was put in their mouths by the interviewer (who had a vested interest in making it look like a lot of women have been raped). And ten years after the study, some 50% of these "raped" women were still with their alleged rapists. Rape and incest are not laughing matters it is true. But when feminist extremists (eg Gloria Steinem) force false statistics to push her political point of view, everyone suffers, and many people are led to a life of mistrust and suspicion, when it is an absolute fact that MOST men and women in America are good and wouldn't do such a thing. Joel PS. Just because we make jokes about rape or incest dos not at all mean that we are belittling the situation. Everyone here realizes that rape is terrible. But you have to lay back and joke about things or they get too invasive and agonizing. Its a natural human reaction. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Thomas" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: Re: npr: "Race" and ethnicity and incest > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 J.R. Jobe > > <<- ---You know what they say(wink,wink), "Honor thy > father and thy mother." > - ---EEEEEWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!! > - ---Jobe > P.S. And BTW, I don't think the Bible ever says that > incest is a sin. But I could be wrong.>> > > I realize I'm new here, but I'm still gathering the > overall tone of this list. Can't say I was > particularly impressed with this post. No offense - > it's just an open wound with me, and I'm sure with > many others... > > Just a small FYI, incest and rape are not joking > matters, in any circumstance when you have been > through it. And there are enough people on this list > who have been affected by it, just based on numbers > alone. The statistical number of women (not sure on > the statistics of men) who have endured raped or > sexually assault by "family", "friends", or unknown > perpetrators is *staggering*. Three out of four. > > Imagine walking into school thinking about those > numbers. Into your office meeting. I find it difficult > to imagine standing in a group of 8 women and know > that at least one other besides me has been abused in > this way. > > Unfortunately, I didn't find the humor in this. > > Denise, surviving and living > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:03:02 -0700 From: "Joel" Subject: Re: NPR: Oh god they're going to drill in the arctic! You say some good things but you have been really jaded by leftist propaganda. I think that businesses need to have this forced on them,cause the majority of businesses are greedy assholes that don't give a shit about their employees. This is absolutely absurd! Companies do not care about their employees? Are you crazy? If the employees quit there would be no companies. Most companies are actually good people, a good number of them are run by CEOS who have done a lot of hard work and probably started from the bottom. If companies treat their people like scum there are strikes and people quit, then no one makes money. It is absolutely ignorant to think that they don't give a wshit about their employees. Heard of corporate lunches, picnics, employee of the week, suggestion boxes etc? All for the employees! Employers refused to pay a livable wage. Some arrogant bastards might say well those are unskilled jobs and it's there fault they work at some entry level convenience store or fast food place etc.. Well just like many great civilizations that were built on the backs of slave labor, Entry level jobs are a major foundation to the economy. Exactly! Entry level jobs ARE the foundation of economy, which is EXACTLY why a minumum wage is a terrible idea. Let me illustrate. My father is the vice CEO of a small company. The company had many entry level jobs and everyone was cared for. The custodians even went to company picnics. I grew up with one of his custodians doing odd jobs around the house. Then there was aminumum wage increase and frivolous lawsuits. THere is only so much money. FIrst the CEOs stopped paying themselves. Then they began to lay off people. Now lets see, if the wages are too high to pay, then who should we all lay off. The engineers and salesmen who are specially trained or the custodians whose jobs can be done by others in the company. As a result of minumum wage laws, entry level jobs suffer and unemployment goes up. By the way, this claim has been substantiated time and time again in real life and by most economists. She was making 50 cents more than min. wage and wanting another 50cent raise. She ended up quitting.. Which is why companies HAVE to care for their employees. She could easily have gotten another job at a more promising place. Always thinking, Joel PS. I've noticed a lot of libertarian thinking on this list. Let me know if you are interested in Libertarian issues. I am president of Bruin Libertarians at UCLA and can always use contacts everywhere. If you don't know what libertarianism is, feel free to ask me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 05:07:41 EDT From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: minimum wage Frankly I think that is a weak cop out. Why should we just bend over and take it in the ass so to speak?..I have said the very same thing about taking a job for low pay. I've been there. I also believe in the work ethic if you got hired to do a job you do it. You can bitch about the pay all you want,but bottom line is thats no excuse not to do your best. It's a matter of personal pride and work ethic,but know what that is not what were debating here. It's not work ethic or peoples willingness to perform. It's the Employer unwilling to pay for what they want. Go to any Chain company and they have these neat little training videos of healthy,perfect teeth smiling, Super happy loving their jobs employees. They say this is what we want you to be like. Customer service is our NUMBER 1 core value, We want happy customers, We feel a monkey can do your job so were gonna pay you this shit wage, now go out there be happy,smile really big(unless you can't afford to go to the dentist cause we pay you so poorly,otherwise smile with a closed mouth) and make our customers super happy and feel welcomed. Fuck you and the acid trip your on I say... I also totally disagree with the comment that it's not the employers concern whether you can pay your rent,buy food,afford to go to a movie. My whole point was about a happier,more productive employee based on their happiness because they did'nt have to worry about living on the street,starving or being forced to sit at home and not thinking about the future,cause it's to damn scarry to think about.. I find that whole smug I told you the job paid 2 dollars a day take it or leave imperialistic institutionalized slave labor attitude very offensive and I'll refrain from expressing my hatefull thoughts for sake of remaining somewhat rational. That is the exact reason why the goverment Has to step in,cause greedy unsympathetic assholes could care less about the people or the community. With any business there is always room for cutting costs to increase profit. Why bend the employees over for sake of profit when there are many, many other ways to cut costs to make THE BUSINESS more cost effective. It also makes more business sense to pay someone really good and have a happy loyal employee rather than a disgruntled,I don't give a shit I can go find another minimum wage job slacker. Also if you stop and figure out how much money a company loses with high turnover costs. It costs lots of money to hire someone. There is lots of money invested in each hired employee,from uniforms,training,man power to train,paper work, as well as many more possible costs like drug testing,overtime till the position is filled, lowered morale,due to constant turnover as well as lowered efficiancy cause you constantly have a green crew slowing things down. A prime example of wastefull managment. I worked at a health club that paid everyone shit wages,they called the positions entry level positions and that the wages were in line with corporate standards for entry level positions. They spent 150,000 dollars to a consulting firm to do a questionare to every employee and find out where they could make improvements to make the employees more happy in their work environment and more productive. I don't have to give hints as to what the major complaint was do I. Money across the board people wanted better pay. Not being able to make a living ,having to work 2 jobs to make ends meet. People saying they did'nt really care about the company or their job,they did'nt get paid enough to put up with the job stresses and work loads. No position is really easy, from front desk to towel people everyone has a part of the job that is hard,whether it's dealing with snobbish asshole members,busting your ass in a greasy cafe,frying your brain in the office,or busting your ass keeping the place clean, everyone was expected to smile and be happy for minimum wage or slightly above it. If customer service is the number one value why then pay your most valuable employee's total shit and not give a damn about whether they are happy or not. For a profit? how much more profitable could a business be with Happy,productive,loyal,good work ethic employees. Think your gonna get that paying minimum wage? Think saying oh tough shit you knew the wage,sorry if you were so desperate to feed your family or keep a roof over your head you took the job? That is utter and total horseshit. I'm gonna shut up now,cause my vindictive nature for injustices and smugness is getting the better of me. That is all. An Angry Psycho Lord Lonnie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:17:20 -0700 From: "Joel" Subject: Re: NPR: minimum wage Oh God! WHo do you think the CEO's are? My father (the son of immigrants) had to bust his ASS working in his fathers shop and reading in order to go to college and become a CEO, as is the case with most of these people. They are not "greedy assholes" They are like everyone else, just trying to bring up the standard of living for themselves and their families. Its called being alive dearie, and everyone thinks of themselves. At least comapnies are there to provide jobs for the rest of the poepl who for one reason or another did not make it to that level. CEOs are not out to ge the community and if they didn't care then why are most companies actively involved with community and huge donations? This is absurd thinking Ms. Marx. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:07 AM Subject: Re: NPR: minimum wage > > Frankly I think that is a weak cop out. Why should we just bend over and take > it in the ass so to speak?..I have said the very same thing about taking a > job for low pay. I've been there. I also believe in the work ethic if you got > hired to do a job you do it. You can bitch about the pay all you want,but > bottom line is thats no excuse not to do your best. It's a matter of personal > pride and work ethic,but know what that is not what were debating here. It's > not work ethic or peoples willingness to perform. It's the Employer unwilling > to pay for what they want. > > Go to any Chain company and they have these neat little training videos of > healthy,perfect teeth smiling, Super happy loving their jobs employees. They > say this is what we want you to be like. Customer service is our NUMBER 1 > core value, We want happy customers, We feel a monkey can do your job so were > gonna pay you this shit wage, now go out there be happy,smile really > big(unless you can't afford to go to the dentist cause we pay you so > poorly,otherwise smile with a closed mouth) and make our customers super > happy and feel welcomed. Fuck you and the acid trip your on I say... > > I also totally disagree with the comment that it's not the employers concern > whether you can pay your rent,buy food,afford to go to a movie. My whole > point was about a happier,more productive employee based on their happiness > because they did'nt have to worry about living on the street,starving or > being forced to sit at home and not thinking about the future,cause it's to > damn scarry to think about.. > > I find that whole smug I told you the job paid 2 dollars a day take it or > leave imperialistic institutionalized slave labor attitude very offensive and > I'll refrain from expressing my hatefull thoughts for sake of remaining > somewhat rational. That is the exact reason why the goverment Has to step > in,cause greedy unsympathetic assholes could care less about the people or > the community. With any business there is always room for cutting costs to > increase profit. Why bend the employees over for sake of profit when there > are many, many other ways to cut costs to make THE BUSINESS more cost > effective. > > It also makes more business sense to pay someone really good and have a happy > loyal employee rather than a disgruntled,I don't give a shit I can go find > another minimum wage job slacker. Also if you stop and figure out how much > money a company loses with high turnover costs. It costs lots of money to > hire someone. There is lots of money invested in each hired employee,from > uniforms,training,man power to train,paper work, as well as many more > possible costs like drug testing,overtime till the position is filled, > lowered morale,due to constant turnover as well as lowered efficiancy cause > you constantly have a green crew slowing things down. > > A prime example of wastefull managment. I worked at a health club that paid > everyone shit wages,they called the positions entry level positions and that > the wages were in line with corporate standards for entry level positions. > They spent 150,000 dollars to a consulting firm to do a questionare to every > employee and find out where they could make improvements to make the > employees more happy in their work environment and more productive. I don't > have to give hints as to what the major complaint was do I. Money across the > board people wanted better pay. Not being able to make a living ,having to > work 2 jobs to make ends meet. People saying they did'nt really care about > the company or their job,they did'nt get paid enough to put up with the job > stresses and work loads. No position is really easy, from front desk to > towel people everyone has a part of the job that is hard,whether it's > dealing with snobbish asshole members,busting your ass in a greasy > cafe,frying your brain in the office,or busting your ass keeping the place > clean, everyone was expected to smile and be happy for minimum wage or > slightly above it. > > If customer service is the number one value why then pay your most valuable > employee's total shit and not give a damn about whether they are happy or > not. For a profit? how much more profitable could a business be with > Happy,productive,loyal,good work ethic employees. Think your gonna get that > paying minimum wage? Think saying oh tough shit you knew the wage,sorry if > you were so desperate to feed your family or keep a roof over your head you > took the job? That is utter and total horseshit. > > I'm gonna shut up now,cause my vindictive nature for injustices and smugness > is getting the better of me. > That is all. > An Angry Psycho > Lord Lonnie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:19:25 -0700 From: "Joel" Subject: Re: npr: "Race" and ethnicity and incest A good website to check out is www.shethinks.org It is an independent women's forum (many feminists) that are just angry at the terrible way feminism is jading people and mistreating humanity. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel" To: "Denise Thomas" ; Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:41 AM Subject: Re: npr: "Race" and ethnicity and incest > > Actually according to the feminist study, the number is one in four, not > three in four. ANd that is highly suspect. 73% of women in study had not > said they were raped or assaulted, it was put in their mouths by the > interviewer (who had a vested interest in making it look like a lot of women > have been raped). And ten years after the study, some 50% of these "raped" > women were still with their alleged rapists. Rape and incest are not > laughing matters it is true. But when feminist extremists (eg Gloria > Steinem) force false statistics to push her political point of view, > everyone suffers, and many people are led to a life of mistrust and > suspicion, when it is an absolute fact that MOST men and women in America > are good and wouldn't do such a thing. > Joel > > PS. Just because we make jokes about rape or incest dos not at all mean that > we are belittling the situation. Everyone here realizes that rape is > terrible. But you have to lay back and joke about things or they get too > invasive and agonizing. Its a natural human reaction. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise Thomas" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 7:04 PM > Subject: Re: npr: "Race" and ethnicity and incest > > > > > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 J.R. Jobe > > > > > <<- ---You know what they say(wink,wink), "Honor thy > > father and thy mother." > > - ---EEEEEWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!! > > - ---Jobe > > P.S. And BTW, I don't think the Bible ever says that > > incest is a sin. But I could be wrong.>> > > > > I realize I'm new here, but I'm still gathering the > > overall tone of this list. Can't say I was > > particularly impressed with this post. No offense - > > it's just an open wound with me, and I'm sure with > > many others... > > > > Just a small FYI, incest and rape are not joking > > matters, in any circumstance when you have been > > through it. And there are enough people on this list > > who have been affected by it, just based on numbers > > alone. The statistical number of women (not sure on > > the statistics of men) who have endured raped or > > sexually assault by "family", "friends", or unknown > > perpetrators is *staggering*. Three out of four. > > > > Imagine walking into school thinking about those > > numbers. Into your office meeting. I find it difficult > > to imagine standing in a group of 8 women and know > > that at least one other besides me has been abused in > > this way. > > > > Unfortunately, I didn't find the humor in this. > > > > Denise, surviving and living > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 05:41:14 EDT From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Oh god they're going to drill in the arctic! This is absolutely absurd! Companies do not care about their employees? Are you crazy? If the employees quit there would be no companies. Most companies are actually good people, a good number of them are run by CEOS who have done> >> True that also supports what I said that these entry level jobs are the foundation and backbone of any business and as I said there are some good companies out there I'm thankfull everyday I work for one of them,But there are far more that don't. I am also mostly focusing on supposed low skill job companies like Convenience store chains,restaurants,department stores etc. Which all claim customer service is most important part of their success,but choose to pay those on the front lines of customer service the lowest and think them unskilled. In my opinion it takes alot of skill and work ethic to be a good customer service person. To put up with a lot of real asshole people there are in this world,that will degrade and try to humiliate you. I could tell many stories about them type from ones i've heard as well as experienced. It's so disheartening when you really get to see what the majority of society is like to eachother. It's a romantic thought to think about people rising up and striking demanding better pay etc,but if your making 5.75 an hour and can barely afford to pay the rent and rest of bills. Who's gonna strike then?. It's very,very easy to say hey just find another job, go on strike,. I don't ever recall seeing a 7-11 strike,I don't ever recall seeing a non union strike. Only strikes I can recall are Teamsters truckdrivers and spoiled sports players that already got hundreds of thousands of dollars tucked away while the strike goes on. I've heard teachers strike,but If your in a entry level position and live check to check You can't afford to miss 2 days of work let alone a 2 weeks a month? however long a strike may need to last... <<>>> I totally agree thats why companies have to care,but did this company? No they let her quite and hired another person at minimum wage, Yeaht heres always another desperate soul waiting in line.. In fact they went through several more dishwashers in next few months,cause it was a bust ass job and finally they said man I don't get paid enough for this shit and walked out. Where do you turn to when the common mentality of the economy around you says,your a entry level worker you don't deserve to be prosperous and happy,cause we got a budget to think about and yeah maybe there might be other ways of saving money,but it's more efficient to just pay you less.. Anwyays I digress.. I also got over my intial vindictive temper ;-) I'm sure we can go back and forth matching stories, for every company you can point out that treats their employees good,cares about them andt he community I might be able to give you 2 that don't maybe more. I think it's just as crazy to think that companies really to care about their employees,yet day after day you can see the defeated look in your local convenience store,supermarket,fast food employee's. Bastard of a Angry Psycho Lord Lonnie P.S. As for Political affiliation. I'm a registered Libertarian and have been for 10 years ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:45:16 -0700 From: "Joel" Subject: Re: NPR: Oh god they're going to drill in the arctic! I just want to say thank you for having this discussion with me without it getting nasty and throwing out personal attacks. Its good to know that some people can disagree and not let it get personal. Even though some of theings i said might be construed as personal, I did not mean it that way and you proved the better by being a good rational arguer and not resorting to ad hominum attacks. Bravo, though I still disagree with you. Yay free speech!!! J - ----- Original Message ----- From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com To: cthulhu9@ucla.edu ; angry-psychos@smoe.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:41 AM Subject: Re: NPR: Oh god they're going to drill in the arctic! This is absolutely absurd! Companies do not care about their employees? Are you crazy? If the employees quit there would be no companies. Most companies are actually good people, a good number of them are run by CEOS who have done> >> True that also supports what I said that these entry level jobs are the foundation and backbone of any business and as I said there are some good companies out there I'm thankfull everyday I work for one of them,But there are far more that don't. I am also mostly focusing on supposed low skill job companies like Convenience store chains,restaurants,department stores etc. Which all claim customer service is most important part of their success,but choose to pay those on the front lines of customer service the lowest and think them unskilled. In my opinion it takes alot of skill and work ethic to be a good customer service person. To put up with a lot of real asshole people there are in this world,that will degrade and try to humiliate you. I could tell many stories about them type from ones i've heard as well as experienced. It's so disheartening when you really get to see what the majority of society is like to eachother. It's a romantic thought to think about people rising up and striking demanding better pay etc,but if your making 5.75 an hour and can barely afford to pay the rent and rest of bills. Who's gonna strike then?. It's very,very easy to say hey just find another job, go on strike,. I don't ever recall seeing a 7-11 strike,I don't ever recall seeing a non union strike. Only strikes I can recall are Teamsters truckdrivers and spoiled sports players that already got hundreds of thousands of dollars tucked away while the strike goes on. I've heard teachers strike,but If your in a entry level position and live check to check You can't afford to miss 2 days of work let alone a 2 weeks a month? however long a strike may need to last... <<>>> I totally agree thats why companies have to care,but did this company? No they let her quite and hired another person at minimum wage, Yeaht heres always another desperate soul waiting in line.. In fact they went through several more dishwashers in next few months,cause it was a bust ass job and finally they said man I don't get paid enough for this shit and walked out. Where do you turn to when the common mentality of the economy around you says,your a entry level worker you don't deserve to be prosperous and happy,cause we got a budget to think about and yeah maybe there might be other ways of saving money,but it's more efficient to just pay you less.. Anwyays I digress.. I also got over my intial vindictive temper ;-) I'm sure we can go back and forth matching stories, for every company you can point out that treats their employees good,cares about them andt he community I might be able to give you 2 that don't maybe more. I think it's just as crazy to think that companies really to care about their employees,yet day after day you can see the defeated look in your local convenience store,supermarket,fast food employee's. Bastard of a Angry Psycho Lord Lonnie P.S. As for Political affiliation. I'm a registered Libertarian and have been for 10 years ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 05:58:00 EDT From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: minimum wage :;chuckles:;well I'm not as quick at responding so forgive my lag.. Obviously we have had opportunity to see two different sides of the coin here. It would be great and wonderfull if the majority of businesses were like your Fathers company. It would be awesome. I currently work at a company similar,where the CEO's and President of the Company started out from a garage and now are the leading edge in telecommunications in Alaska. Currently owning 30% of the market and growing. These guys are great,they have built the company with the right attitude. They care about making sure the employees are happy and well taken care of. Realizing everyone from the entry level positions to upper management all play a very important role in the company's success. They have stressed very much how we have made the difference and thats why the competition is scrambling. That is why the stock has increased and gaining notiriety on wallstreet.They contribute a lot to the community and promote their employees to be active in community giving them paid community service days etc.. I love the company I work for. However I have worked for many and known others that worked for many other companies that did not have this same ethic..I've know the ceo's and upper management to be cold and uncaring of the employees general welfare. I also never said all ceo's and all companies were greedy assholes. I said majority or most are. I do realize there is some good out there. There are some people with compassion and understanding in management,ceo position,president,vice president.. Now can you realize and understand there are a lot of companies that are not?Cause so far I've heard is no they are not this way, no companies are not like that, how can you say companies are like this. I've also heard alot of the standard romantic cop outs like, If they are so oppressed just go find another job, Just go find that magic company with the super good guy ceo.. They are not as easy to find, what I find most disturbing though is how easily one can say touch shit thats life and way it is,Thats part of being alive deal with it,but on the other hand say well if your not happy find something better etc.. As the cliche goes it's easier to think and say than it is to act and do.. Lord Lonnie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 06:06:00 EDT From: PURPLMOJO@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Oh god they're going to drill in the arctic! Welcome and ditto ;-) Don't take the last paragraph from last repsonse personal. Was mostly making a point.. Anyways someone tag me out. It's late my brain is veging out. Someone else come fight the good fight ::chuckles:: Been fun. Same Angry Psycho time, Same Angry Psycho channel Lord Lonnie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:13:53 EDT From: StokesSays@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: drilling in the arctic/minimum wage In a message dated 7/20/2001 1:42:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sugarbaby_25@hotmail.com writes: > The whole artic will not be destroyed but I'm sure when the > rainforest first started getting cut down we didn't think that we would > get that far either but now the rainforest is in mucho danger. I'm afraid > There is just a little difference between a third world country demolishing the rain forest and American/Western European/Asian companies drilling for an already-known limited quantity of oil in Alaska. Something called environmental restrictions and government fines, or something or other .... oh yeah, those jobs are HIGHLY skilled, so they will create more HIGHER than minimum wage jobs in Alaska :o) Jeff visit the Libertarian Party at http://www.lp.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 06:16:54 -0500 From: "Brenda Ball" Subject: Re: Hey guys I'm new Hi Stephanie, pleased to meet you! Amelia's is a guest house/B&B here in Dallas, Texas, where Poe, Mark and the band stayed while they were here on the Border's tour and for Edgefest, May 11-14th. - -brendles- - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Lannon" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 12:27 AM Subject: Hey guys I'm new >I listened to the echoes > from Poe today and i have a question.What is she talking about when she's > reading the rules for Amelia's place or whatever?I don't get it.Did I miss > something? ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #311 ***********************************