From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #244 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, June 11 2001 Volume 06 : Number 244 Today's Subjects: ----------------- P(*)E tees ["Vanessa Miranda" ] IMPORTANT record store tale! [BluesyBear@aol.com] Re: P(*)E tees [=?iso-8859-1?B?pCBzIHQgciB1IHQgpA==?= ] Get good seats the day of the show, face value!! [VR5SBloom@aol.com] Re: NPR books and assholes [Elliot Dale ] *poe cancelled?* ["m.o.d ." ] Re: NPR books and assholes ["Kelli" ] Re: *poe cancelled?* [Dan98908@aol.com] Re: *poe cancelled?* [Dan98908@aol.com] Re: NPR: Books [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: pr for those that play guitar [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR: the "worthless" English degree [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR: Books [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR: Books [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: NPR: Books [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR books and assholes [Elliot Dale ] Re: NPR: Books ["Denise Helton" ] NPR: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... [Iamtheher4u@aol.com] Re: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... ["Bad Bender" Re: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... ["siren" ] RE: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... ["Joel Schwartz" ] Re: NPR: Books [KrodKnid@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:43:40 -0000 From: "Vanessa Miranda" Subject: P(*)E tees Hi psychos!!!!!!!!!!!Iordered both the P(*)E tees off cafepress.com and i just got em a few dayz ago!!!!! I'm sooo exited about em! Now i have four P(*)E shirts!!!! I'm planning on getting the cartoon ones too but I wanna know if theres anymore anywhere out there I can buy cuz I want em all! O.K. thats all for now talk to yall later: ) oh yeah, i cant wait for the P(*)E concert! its on aug. 1 here in sac!!! I copied the fliers and I'm gonna put em on as many cars as i can and i really really really hope that i get to go to the sound check. oh and be4 the concert im getting a P(*)E ball tatoo in the middle of my lower back and im writtin angry around the top and psycho around the bottom! sorry if im boring you all to tears about this but im really excited! ill go now. have a fun P(*)E filled summer everyone! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 03:49:55 EDT From: BluesyBear@aol.com Subject: IMPORTANT record store tale! Ah! Finally I have some time to sit down and write a friggin email! Ok...so you know those promotional posters for "artists" that you see hanging up on the walls in record stores?? Well...the record companies send people out to do that kind of stuff. Anyhow...the other day ATLANTIC happened to be in the store........and I was dying to get off my register and start asking questions...THEN out of the blue I see them hanging up a HUGE POE display!! I started jumping up and down and doing my poe happy dance! I ran over to that atlantic dude and started chatting with him. He said he really liked Poe but she always releases remixes that aren't available. I guess he was unaware they repressed "haunted" so I filled him in on that...then he mentioned that Poe wen't on tour with a cello player and everyone went crazy trying to find the version of Angry Johnny with the cello! I guess things are looking up because they only have promotional posters of people who they think are gonna sell records. Poe is the only artist up there who doesn't have a "recent" new release. Anyhow...I told my managers their lives would be in jeopardy if they didn't give me the huge display when they took it down:) Sorry for my rant but if you guys can only see the display you'd be SOOO friggin excited. It's huge!!!!!!!!!! Jilll ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 05:09:32 -0400 From: =?iso-8859-1?B?pCBzIHQgciB1IHQgpA==?= Subject: Re: P(*)E tees Can you give us a cafepress link to these shirts? ----- Original Message ----- From: Vanessa Miranda To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 3:43 AM Subject: P(*)E tees Hi psychos!!!!!!!!!!!Iordered both the P(*)E tees off cafepress.com and i just got em a few dayz ago!!!!! I'm sooo exited about em! Now i have four P(*)E shirts!!!! I'm planning on getting the cartoon ones too but I wanna know if theres anymore anywhere out there I can buy cuz I want em all! O.K. thats all for now talk to yall later: ) oh yeah, i cant wait for the P(*)E concert! its on aug. 1 here in sac!!! I copied the fliers and I'm gonna put em on as many cars as i can and i really really really hope that i get to go to the sound check. oh and be4 the concert im getting a P(*)E ball tatoo in the middle of my lower back and im writtin angry around the top and psycho around the bottom! sorry if im boring you all to tears about this but im really excited! ill go now. have a fun P(*)E filled summer everyone! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:04:43 EDT From: Thinggeee@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR- Coupons 1/100 The 1/100 value is something along the lines of that is the value of th actual coupon itself, the paper and ink is worth 1/100th of a cent. It's so people don't dig up hundreds of coupons and want the value of how much the coupons are off for ((.40 cents, 1.00 etc...)). My mom is the coupon *woman*. She has over 50 shoeboxes filled with coupons that have not expired yet. And some for products that aren't manufactured anymore. Anyone remember Urkel cereal? Prince Of Thieves cereal? or even fucking Cabbage Patch cereal? My mom's got coupons for 'em all. And I *think* I remember one of my mom's friends selling her coupons for the 1/100th of a cent value. I never really saw the point to it, though. In a message dated 06/10/2001 3:24:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thegeneral@knology.net writes: > > > On some coupons, on the bottom, they have the value as 1/100 of one cent. > Why > is this? Do people really collect them and turn them in like soda cans or is > it like the gas prices always ending with 99? > Computer lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:17:07 EDT From: Evo1777@aol.com Subject: Re: pr for those that play guitar i was under the impression that santana plays his signature line of paul reed smith guitars. im a guitar geek, so i know this stuff! mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:37:46 -0500 From: lance.kinney@amd.com Subject: RE: Basically NPR: Diaryland.com Has anyone else read this Subject line wrong? Dairyland.com??? I was wondering why everyone was milk crazy, or did Poe do a Got Milk ad? Maybe it's just toooo early for ol' Lance on a Monday morning... LanceKitty, the power of cheese... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:40:11 EDT From: LivTheMdns@aol.com Subject: Re: P(*)E tees (LINK INCLUDED) You can find a link to all the sites that have poe or psycho shirts at http://www.polishchick.com/munecas/shirtlink and just look for a design you like and click it. - -Mike This message was brought to you by the letters X, Y, and Z and the number 6 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:04:14 -0400 From: "Stephen van Vuuren" Subject: RE: P(*)E tees (LINK INCLUDED) Why is to Poe "Baby Doll" shirt only available in women's sizes? Despite the feminine name, it's a cool shirt and I want one, but would like an XL. don't make me angry... stephen www.xiveren.com "It can only be attributable to human error" - -HAL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:08:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Cobb Subject: ATTN: Oregon Psychos, from an Idaho Psycho Can any Oregon Pshchos let me know when tickets for the July 27th show go on sale and how I could get a hold of a few. Thanx Adahlfin Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:32:10 -0700 From: "Lee Wang 444" Subject: NPR: the "worthless" English degree >on an entirely unrelated note... i graduated this past >saturday! i now have a b.a. in english: creative >writing. oh the joys that now await my being poor! Just one more year for me! Though I'm also considering grad school so as to delay my eventual placing in the unemployment offices. Lee "Do your dreams come true?" "I haven't had a nice dream for years." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:43:02 -0400 From: "TRACI GRABLER" Subject: Re: Philly AP's What about Egypt? I know that somenights are ok for those under 21. I really don't know too many other places(I'm 26) Sorry... >From: Finedragonfly7@aol.com >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: Philly AP's >Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 15:24:19 EDT > > >Hey PAPS, > >We were talking about having the Ap Party at the Lagoon, which I had said >might be a good spot.. Well, If we want and try to have a Poe meet and >greet, >that place is gonna be impossible, it gets ridiciouly crowed... > >Have we thought of anywhere, maybe the under 21 crowed could get into.. or >go >to?? sorry I hadn't posted about this in awhile.. I was busy finishing >college.. YAY.. now I am ready to Party, and I want to meet POE damnit.. >lol.. > >Anna "I'll be a dolphin" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:38:09 EDT From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: Get good seats the day of the show, face value!! If you didn't get tickets when they went on sale, you may get great seats the day of the concert...*without* paying scalpers! Here's some advice from a guy who films great concert bootlegs: - -- From 4pm onwards, the box office will release seats that bounce all over the venue. At 5pm, they could only have crappy seats, at 5:15pm they could have 3rd row center. Also, check ticketmaster.com tomorrow up until 3pm. On the day of the event, ticketmaster.com also releases a bunch of different tickets. I've done this a bunch of times. Don't worry, you'll score nice seats. Let me know how it works out for you. Remember, don't "panic" and take crappy seats in the back just cuz they pop up. Be patient and wait a little while and you WILL find seats in the front half of the venue. - -- Good luck and have fun!! - --Michele Open for trades! http://trade.shelle.org/ Got promos, bootlegs, or MP3s of your favorite artist? Feel guilty? Give 'em a tip at http://www.fairtunes.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:43:51 -0400 From: Elliot Dale Subject: Re: NPR books and assholes I flamed because of the topic: What books are MUST READ? Anne Rice doesn't belong on any such list (unless it's some sort of Vampire/goth/rivethead/marilyn manson-wannnabe list). And I never said Interview was a good book. I meant it was interesting. If we were using the criteria for "can't put it down" as a good book or author, all of those Dragonlance books I read back in junior high would Oxford classics! The Slickster wrote: > In my not-so-humble opinion, those of you who > simply put-down another person's choice of books > are worth filtering out altogether. You say "grow > up." I say "fuck you." Differing opinions are a > fact of life--one of the beauties of life--and > flaming another AP like this does absolutely no > good. You said that you couldn't put the book > down when you first got it. Apparently you have > different criteria for determining what make a > good author (and a good book). So, in true Willy > fashion, I must tell you to shut the fuck up. > > > I will > >> admit that when I first >> got Interview with the Vampire, I couldn't put >> it down. The only thing that makes >> her popular is the shock >> value she gives people. "ooooh! vampires! >> ooooh! sex! this must be >> good!" Grow up, already! >> -SpinneZiege >> {ellliot} > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:29:15 -0600 From: "m.o.d ." Subject: *poe cancelled?* it was announced on the radio today in denver, that poe will not be opening up for dm afterall... does anyone know the reason for this? and is it just denver or the whole tour? mellyofdenver ps. thanks to anyone who made it down to my show on may 30th! very well attended- and i appreciate the support! http://project1201.com - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:49:43 -0500 From: "Kelli" Subject: Re: NPR books and assholes which brings us back to the point that everyone has an opinion. so you dont like her. okay? other people do and flaming me about it is just showing your ignorance i know alot of people who read anne rice who arent classified with that. my mother in fact likes anne rice and wouldnt be considered a part of any of those "groups" so i say to you again. everyone has an opinion. dont flame mine just becasue your an asshole who needs to argue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:54:56 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: *poe cancelled?* In a message dated 6/11/01 1:18:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bansheegirl@hotmail.com writes: > it was announced on the radio today in denver, that poe will not be > opening up for dm afterall... does anyone know the reason for this? and > is it just denver or the whole tour? mellyofdenver Could you tell me what station announced this? This is news to me and I will get it confirmed or denyed in the next few minutes. Have a call in now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:51:37 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: *poe cancelled?* In a message dated 6/11/01 1:18:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bansheegirl@hotmail.com writes: > it was announced on the radio today in denver, that poe will not be > opening up for dm afterall... does anyone know the reason for this? and > is it just denver or the whole tour? Just confirmed with Patrick Tocklington, Poe's manager at Nettwerk, that this is a FALSE rumor!!! Poe WILL be opening for DM at Denver and all other US dates unless we let you know otherwise here of on P-O-E.com or polishchick.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:43:22 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Books In a message dated 6/9/01 10:43:33 PM Central Daylight Time, KrodKnid@aol.com writes: > > > Also add "The Bell Jar" by > > Sylvia Plath. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Definitely. Glad you suggested it, since I was debating another e-mail to > add > That book is wonderful. I read it when I was 13, I think and am very relieved to find it on my summer reading list :) ~*~ What*Would*Joan*Jett*Do? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:55:13 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: pr for those that play guitar In a message dated 6/11/2001 10:48:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Evo1777@aol.com writes: > i was under the impression that santana plays his signature line of paul > reed smith guitars. im a guitar geek, so i know this stuff! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's what I thought too. Though he did at one time use Les Pauls ...and went through an Ibanez "Artist" phase too. > mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:58:15 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: the "worthless" English degree In a message dated 6/11/2001 2:42:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, red_halcyon@hotmail.com writes: > >on an entirely unrelated note... i graduated this past > >saturday! i now have a b.a. in english: creative > >writing. oh the joys that now await my being poor! > > Just one more year for me! > > Though I'm also considering grad school so as to delay my eventual placing > in the unemployment offices. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Be sure to sign up for the advanced "wnat fries with that?" course. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:02:23 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Books In a message dated 6/11/2001 6:43:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LiveThruThisVow writes: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shave her head?:-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:03:52 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Books In a message dated 6/11/01 6:02:01 PM Central Daylight Time, Krod Knid writes: > > >> That book is wonderful. I read it when I was 13, I think and am very >> relieved to find it on my summer reading list :) >> >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Poetry is her forte though. Her poems are first rate. Yeah, my mum introduced me to her, isn't that interesting? ~*~ What*Would*Joan*Jett*Do? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:02:01 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Books In a message dated 6/11/2001 6:43:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LiveThruThisVow writes: > > >> > Also add "The Bell Jar" by >> > Sylvia Plath. >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Definitely. Glad you suggested it, since I was debating another e-mail to >> add >> > > > That book is wonderful. I read it when I was 13, I think and am very > relieved to find it on my summer reading list :) > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poetry is her forte though. Her poems are first rate. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:10:58 -0400 From: Elliot Dale Subject: Re: NPR books and assholes You guys just don't get it! I'm sorry for the stereotype, but I just don't think that Anne Rice belongs on a list of books that must be read. You guys are putting this completely out of context! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:27:07 -0400 From: "Denise Helton" Subject: Re: NPR: Books Every time my mom sees me reading Plath she will ask "is that the one who committed suicide?" Plath's poetry is very astute and filled with amazing images-- both shocking and surprisingly funny. I'd say the same for the story presented in 'The Bell Jar'. Oh, when my friends and I discuss suicide, we always say the person "pulled a Sylvia". We are nothing if not literary freaks. Denise - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:46:00 EDT From: Iamtheher4u@aol.com Subject: NPR: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... Ok so this weekend this boy at my school died in a river because he got drunk and couldn't swim very well to begin with. Now, I really didn't know him very well and he was mean to me, so I really don't feel sad about it. Now I feel really bad for his family and friends, because what he did was stupid and it hurt a lot of people, but I don't feel bad for what happened to him because he was stupid. But now all my friends are cussing me out, asking how I can't be affected by this "horrible tradgedy" and all I've said is that I didn't know him well and that he was mean to me. And then they all yell at me saying, "just because he was stupid doesn't mean he deserves to be dead." I know that, I never said he deserved to die, but apparently I'm cold hearted because I don't cry when some guy who was a total asshole to me dies. I'm not the kind of person to pretend someone was a great person just because they died, I'm sorry but that's the way I am. I feel so badly for the people I know that were close to him, but it was his own stupidity that hurt all these people, not my "heartlessness." Can anyone see where I'm coming from? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:04:17 -0500 From: "Bad Bender" Subject: Re: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... I can. In honor of him you should nominate him for a Darwin award. Plenty of people die every day, the act of dieing doesn't make one better or great, it just makes you room temperature. BTW...I think the address for the Darwin award is www.darwinaward.com , hurry too, I think it's almost time for the judges to pick who wins! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:46 PM Subject: NPR: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... > > Ok so this weekend this boy at my school died in a river because he got drunk > and couldn't swim very well to begin with. Now, I really didn't know him > very well and he was mean to me, so I really don't feel sad about it. > > Now I feel really bad for his family and friends, because what he did was > stupid and it hurt a lot of people, but I don't feel bad for what happened to > him because he was stupid. But now all my friends are cussing me out, asking > how I can't be affected by this "horrible tradgedy" and all I've said is that > I didn't know him well and that he was mean to me. And then they all yell at > me saying, "just because he was stupid doesn't mean he deserves to be dead." > I know that, I never said he deserved to die, but apparently I'm cold hearted > because I don't cry when some guy who was a total asshole to me dies. I'm > not the kind of person to pretend someone was a great person just because > they died, I'm sorry but that's the way I am. > > I feel so badly for the people I know that were close to him, but it was his > own stupidity that hurt all these people, not my "heartlessness." Can anyone > see where I'm coming from? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:07:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Franco Saliola Subject: Re: NPR: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 Iamtheher4u@aol.com wrote: > Can anyone see where I'm coming from? Yes, most definitely. You should not worry. You are the only person that needs to feel comfortable with your feelings. Were I in your situation, I would feel the same way. Feelings are very strange, some things have a profound effect on some people and no effect on others. Feelings are a very personal thing. Franco ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:09:27 EDT From: Prozackitty16@aol.com Subject: Poe Flyers??? HELP!!!! Could somone send me the hyperlink to the poe flyers that we could print??? Mine's not working...... ~Gypsy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:13:28 -0700 From: "Chad Lowe" Subject: RE: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... Yes, you see many people view death as a tragedy, because it reminds us that we are mortal, and our life is rather short, some more then others. Stick to your guns, and remember everyone tends to feel more for a person even after they died, even though they did not really no him. Also teenagers like drama, and a students death is dramatic! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Iamtheher4u@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 5:46 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: NPR: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... Ok so this weekend this boy at my school died in a river because he got drunk and couldn't swim very well to begin with. Now, I really didn't know him very well and he was mean to me, so I really don't feel sad about it. Now I feel really bad for his family and friends, because what he did was stupid and it hurt a lot of people, but I don't feel bad for what happened to him because he was stupid. But now all my friends are cussing me out, asking how I can't be affected by this "horrible tradgedy" and all I've said is that I didn't know him well and that he was mean to me. And then they all yell at me saying, "just because he was stupid doesn't mean he deserves to be dead." I know that, I never said he deserved to die, but apparently I'm cold hearted because I don't cry when some guy who was a total asshole to me dies. I'm not the kind of person to pretend someone was a great person just because they died, I'm sorry but that's the way I am. I feel so badly for the people I know that were close to him, but it was his own stupidity that hurt all these people, not my "heartlessness." Can anyone see where I'm coming from? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:18:24 -0400 From: "Denise Helton" Subject: Re: NPR: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... I don't think that you are cold hearted. You are acknowledging that his death has hurt others and you do feel sorry for their loss. I just think you are being very practical. The guy was mean to you and you did not care very much for him. Would it not be worse if you pretended to care about a person that you never liked anyway? That would be hypocritical. Plus, it is not as if you are going around and doing a little dance while chanting "He's dead, he's dead! Yay!" You are showing the right amount of sympathy. Denise - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:18:15 -0700 From: "mike brame" Subject: NPR: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... I can definitely see where you're coming from, and I agree completely with your point of view. Everyone feels differently. I feel much more sympathy for people I don't know that die than @ssholes I do know that die. But, I do feel sorry for those that the death affected. Family and friends suffering because of their loss, that's not cool. The recently deceased, he ain't suffering. What about those 13 or so people that died in the floods this past week? Are your friends wearing armbands and carrying on about them? What about the countless people that have died as I write this email, should they be tugging at my heartstrings? We all have enough grief and suffering in our lives, I will grieve those who I care about and are close to me, anyone else, well, that's all a part of life. Remember, no one gets out alive. Just my opinion, Mike >From: Iamtheher4u@aol.com >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: NPR: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... >Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:46:00 EDT > > >Ok so this weekend this boy at my school died in a river because he got >drunk >and couldn't swim very well to begin with. Now, I really didn't know him >very well and he was mean to me, so I really don't feel sad about it. > >Now I feel really bad for his family and friends, because what he did was >stupid and it hurt a lot of people, but I don't feel bad for what happened >to >him because he was stupid. But now all my friends are cussing me out, >asking >how I can't be affected by this "horrible tradgedy" and all I've said is >that >I didn't know him well and that he was mean to me. And then they all yell >at >me saying, "just because he was stupid doesn't mean he deserves to be >dead." >I know that, I never said he deserved to die, but apparently I'm cold >hearted >because I don't cry when some guy who was a total asshole to me dies. I'm >not the kind of person to pretend someone was a great person just because >they died, I'm sorry but that's the way I am. > >I feel so badly for the people I know that were close to him, but it was >his >own stupidity that hurt all these people, not my "heartlessness." Can >anyone >see where I'm coming from? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:22:53 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... In a message dated 6/11/01 6:04:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Iamtheher4u@aol.com writes: > . But now all my friends are cussing me out, asking > how I can't be affected by this "horrible tradgedy" and all I've said is > that > I didn't know him well and that he was mean to me. And then they all yell > at > me saying, "just because he was stupid doesn't mean he deserves to be > dead." > I know that, I never said he deserved to die, but apparently I'm cold > hearted > because I don't cry when some guy who was a total asshole to me dies. I'm > not the kind of person to pretend someone was a great person just because > they died, I'm sorry but that's the way I am. > > I feel so badly for the people I know that were close to him, but it was > his > own stupidity that hurt all these people, not my "heartlessness." Can > anyone > see where I'm coming from? > > > I deal with this a LOT! I have been a paramedic for 26 years and I am around death every DAY! Everybody responds differently in some ways, but very predictable in others. You are seeing that up close and personal. First, as to how you see it ... yeah it makes sense. You had no positive ties with him, in fact, even some negative ones and he DID show a reckless disregard for his OWN life, it appears. His friends that WERE close to him, as well as moralistic posers, are angry about his death, hurt by his loss, in denial about things from how he lived his life to how his death affects others. What you hear as anger may well be their own hurting. Perhaps a suggestion I would make is to censor your comments a bit in deference to their hurt and loss. you can do this and still be true to your own feelings. If someone calls you, that you are not acting in a PC way over this death, just say I hardly KNEW the guy! Perhaps you could leave out the part about him being mean to you and the lack of respect he had for his OWN life! While these two things are true they are not relevant right NOW! Perhaps in the future he will come to mind as an example, but for now it is time to let those that choose to grieve. If they are upset with YOU for NOT showing the "right" emotions, just blow it off. Your feelings are YOURS and yours ALONE and not for anyone else to dictate. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:46:02 -0400 From: "siren" Subject: NPR -> Re: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... Yeah, last year an uncle of mine died from cancer and we had to go to his wake - I knew him fairly well but I wasn't close to him...not a tear was shed there as far as I was concerned. The only feelings I felt were the uneasiness of the surrounding death everywhere. Like a lot of people have already said - people die everyday and we can't live being all depressed about it all the time - that takes away the value of our own lives. Or something. - - siren All I need is a little time To get behind this sun and cast my weight All I need is a peace of this mind Then I can celebrate. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:02:08 EDT From: LivTheMdns@aol.com Subject: Re: Poe Flyers??? HELP!!!! (link here) the link is http://www.polishchick.com/munecas/flyers some of my files didn't move with me. of course these were some of the more important ones. I'll get up and running soon, but fortunately, most of the stuff is already on the web. - -Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:02:07 -0500 From: "Oona the fay" Subject: NPR: flood and books ok while you guys were discussing books...us houston APs were having to swim to our computers. :) nah, i didnt get flooded, the water was damn high though. Just wanted to know if all of the houston area APs were ok. btw..dont forget these two books: i was a teenage faerie and girl goddess #9 by francesca lia block and go ask alice stephen king's the dark tower series is also good. p.s. does anyone on this list go to sam houston state? cos i am starting there next year and it would be cool if there were more APs there tooodles tara *what need have i for human hearts..* Free email addresses helping endangered species every time you write http://www.purpleturtle.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:04:34 -0700 From: "Joel Schwartz" Subject: RE: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... Oh totally! At least three kids in my high school who I absolutely hated died for doing stupid things. I didn't feel a bit sorry for them. I never feel sorry for people who die cause they're dead and it doesn't help. It's too bad that the parents and friends have to go through greiving but I know exactly what you are talking about. Joel - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Iamtheher4u@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 5:46 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: NPR: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... I feel so badly for the people I know that were close to him, but it was his own stupidity that hurt all these people, not my "heartlessness." Can anyone see where I'm coming from? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:26:21 EDT From: Mamcdowell@aol.com Subject: NPR: Books Okay, so I guess I'll be the sci-fi fanboy on this thread and recommend some books that I liked. Nothing terribly highbrow, though as an English major, I did have to slog through some of the dryest stuff around. Don't even get me started on James Joyce and Ayn Rand... but here goes some of my faves, though there are many more I could mention. The Complete Grimm's Fairy Tales Tales of the Arabian Knights The Autobography of Malcom X The Illuminatus Trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson The Last Unicorn by Peter S. Beagle Chung Kuo by David Wingrove The Matador Series by Steve Perry (no, not from Journey) When Gravity Fails by George Alec Effinger The Wheel of Time Series by Robert Jordan Anything by Philip K. Dick or Burroughs and, since it's the last three books I've read, and all autobiographical.... I Am Jackie Chan by Jackie Chan Have a Nice Day: A Tale of Blood and Sweatsocks by Mick Foley Foley is Good by Mick Foley the last ones aren't exactly classic literature but damn entertaining reading. - -Mike "Sometimes when you come to a fork in the road, the best thing to do is pick it up and eat your damn dinner." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:29:07 EDT From: THC420101@aol.com Subject: Re: Get good seats the day of the show, face value!! YOUR FREAKING TELLING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I bought tix for Ohio like a week or so ago, and I'm way in the back, I go to ticketmaster today and they are selling seats 6 rows back. I am so mad I could chew sand into glass! THC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:36:05 EDT From: THC420101@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... Think of it as evolution, if you can swim well in the first place, don't get drunk and get into the water. And if you do well................. you know the end result. Stay true to your own feelings they are neither right or wrong, but you'll have to play the "gee what a tragedy" game with every one else. Sometimes it's better to say nothing at all. THC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:47:01 -0400 From: "Dean Morrison (PolishChick.com)" Subject: Poe on tour.... more photos from june 10th.... Thanks to Holly and Brian we have some more photos of Poe and the band.... See Poe on stage... Mark jumping rope... See the band in bagage claim... Daris Sigve Kenneth Nate Cody all so fresh and clean! This photos are part of the journey as storms the US and Canada.... http://www.polishchick.com/tour/ then click on the Jun 11th link for the most recent snaps... GO POE GO...... Dean www.polishchick.com http://www.polishchick.com/downloads/cracksmeup.wav http://www.polishchick.com/downloads/check.wav ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:54:29 EDT From: JustSpiffy@aol.com Subject: NPR: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... Here's a message from the other side Last year one of my best friends died in a car crash. and this may sound a bit selfish, but when me and my friends saw people who we know for a fact hated her and she hated them pretend to grief for her, we knew and we hated it. Kristen never was the sweetest girl, she had a habit of speaking her mind, and we knew these people didn't like her. That offended us. Be yourself. Don't feel bad for the guy. Feeling bad for the family and frends is exactly what you should do. You are more mature than most people your age. Aoibhinn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:04:11 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Books Is anyone into Anne Sexton? She was a good friend of Sylvia Plath's and a good poet. I read a biography on Sylvia Plath, and the woman her husband had an affair with killed herself and the daughter she had with him after Sylvia committed suicide. ~*~ What*Would*Joey*Do? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:11:19 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: a kid in my school drowned this weekend... In a message dated 6/11/01 8:04:31 PM Central Daylight Time, Iamtheher4u@aol.com writes: > I feel so badly for the people I know that were close to him, but it was his > own stupidity that hurt all these people, not my "heartlessness." Can > anyone > I know a million people have answered this already, but maybe your friends should feel guilty for being fake about the whole thing. Death is what is going to happen to us ALL, and it doesn't matter if you're a bum on the street or the richest person on earth, we are ALL going to the grave. Think of school, jobs, etc as a way to entertain ourselves before we die. You should be proud of yourself for not acting like this person's best friend, but yet still sympathizing for others who were his friend. ~*~ What*Would*JerryLawler*Do? (Just kidding) :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:16:48 -0400 From: "Denise Helton" Subject: Re: NPR: Books Ted Hughes must drive women to commit suicide. Could it really be that simple? There are so many theories as to why Sylvia committed suicide-- everything from severe PMS to a bad sinus infection. Denise - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:21:54 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Books In a message dated 6/11/2001 7:03:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LiveThruThisVow writes: > Yeah, my mum introduced me to her, isn't that interesting? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like she and you get along well together. Hope she didn't start you with that "Daddy, Daddy" poem though...heh, heh:-) A line that has stuck in my mind for many years is one of Sylvia Plath's...she has to get out of bed to attend her crying baby...she is wearing a nightgown with roses on it (" I arise, cow-heavy and floral in my Victorian nightgown" I think is how she starts...nice symbology there)...as she holds the kid against her body she describes his breathing against the fabric of her gown: "your moth-breath flickers among the flat pink roses..." To me, that is near perfect poetry...that line hits on so many levels, plus the words themselves flow so finely...and it is so evocative, like a Mary Cassatt painting. Plath is almost like a female T.S.Eliot at times. Then she will haul off and come up with something like "The Moon and the Yew Tree". That is so...so female. Only a woman (one who is a tremendous poet) could write that. At its depths it wraps itself around the very essence of spirit matrixed into flesh that is female...so deep and so freakin' heavy. No wonder Ted Hughs was jealous of her, that prick. ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #244 ***********************************