From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #219 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Saturday, May 26 2001 Volume 06 : Number 219 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NPR 13 ["Bad Bender" ] Re: abstinence ["Bad Bender" ] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #211 ["Bad Bender" ] Re: abstinence ["Bad Bender" ] Re: abstinence ["Kelli" ] Re: abstinence ["Kyle" ] Re: abstinence [Anij ] Re: abstinence [BUDave18@aol.com] Re: abstinence [JustSpiffy@aol.com] I survived an abortion...they tried to abort ME! [Prozackitty16@aol.com] Re: NPR 13 [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Retroactive Abortion [Dan98908@aol.com] Re: Retroactive Abortion [Dan98908@aol.com] NPR:I survived an awful 6 months [AT ] poe.navelsex.com question ["syrigmus" ] Re: Retroactive Abortion [BUDave18@aol.com] NPR:Re: Retroactive Abortion ["Jeff Thompson" ] Re: NPR:Re: Retroactive Abortion ["Claire HM" ] NPR Re: I survived an abortion...they tried to abort ME! [LivTheMdns@aol.] NPR:Re: Retroactive Abortion ["Jeff Thompson" ] Poe on leno in canada ["Peter Ranville" ] NPR:Re: NPR:Re: Retroactive Abortion ["Bad Bender" ] Re: I survived an abortion...they tried to abort ME! *NPR* [Shanna Hollic] NPR:Re: Judging others... ["J.R. Jobe" ] Re: abstinence ["lunasea" ] Re: I survived an abortion...they tried to abort ME! *NPR* ["lunasea" Subject: Re: NPR 13 That society is what led to our current state of affairs, the way marriage and relationships work now. Nature says old enough to bleed, old enough to breed. It is our society now that has artificially pushed adulthood up to the magical age of 18. Arranged marriages were business deals between the parents. Look it up, the purposes of the brides maids, the veil, the best men, it's a wonder most people consider these people to be friends! Oh, and thanks but I already knew we were living in a different society! :) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:23 PM Subject: Re: NPR 13 > > Oh yeah, 13 year olds in arranged marriages...meaning their wedding night was > like a rape, but they were expected to suck it up and bear children. Living > in a different society now, just to let you know. > Black Dove > > In a message dated 5/23/01 11:24:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > > << If "if" was a 5th we'd all be drunk. It's a moral decision best left up to > the individual and doctor. 100 years ago 13 year olds were married and > starting families so I guess they handled it pretty well. The point is how > many women get them for no other reason other then they don't want the kid? > They weren't raped, attacked, their health isn't at risk, they could > survive the ordeal, how many do it cause it's a easy way out? >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 03:15:55 -0500 From: "Bad Bender" Subject: Re: abstinence I'm not saying they won't, hell I did and still do! I'm just asking that instead of taking a defeatist stance they continue to teach the value and merit if obtaining. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:32 PM Subject: Re: abstinence > > Where are the parents in all this? Kids will have sex. I would rather they > have protection, because no matter how many times a teacher says "You > shouldn't have sex because..." kids will have biological impulses and raging > hormones. > Black Dove > > In a message dated 5/24/01 1:54:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > > << Next, if our schools focused on > teaching abstinence as much as how to wear a jimmy hat and where to get birth > control these little girls and boys would know to make the right decision and > not get them selves into trouble and be outcast by their WHOLE family (i.e. > not just the males). >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 03:17:49 -0500 From: "Bad Bender" Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #211 I always liked "Always look on the bright side of life" from Life of Brian. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elliot Dale" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:59 PM Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #211 > > Ok, it is definitely time to whip out some Monty Python here: > {{Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great... If a sperm is wasted, > god gets quite irate...}} > > Dracovixen@aol.com wrote: > > > And imagine if they counted sperm? lol...Millions and millions of possible > > people are killed every time a guy ejaculates....masturbation would be > > criminal... :) > > Black Dove > > > > > > In a message dated 5/23/01 11:24:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > > > > << Yeah and they may as well put ovulation on there as an abortion too, > > because an egg that could have been a person disintegrates and slips out the > > the uterus along with the rest of the lining. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 03:19:09 -0500 From: "Bad Bender" Subject: Re: abstinence You realize of course that you have opened the flood gates for hate email from half the people on this list. COOL! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:17 AM Subject: Re: abstinence > > First off...there is NO reason EVER for abortion. Even if your raped. Even if > the doctors say your going to die if you dont have an abortion. Theres no > excuse you can make up to rationalize it. If I got pregnant from a rapist I > would hav ethe child. If the doctors said that I would die if I had it...I > would have it. Theres NO anylization for the slaughter of an innocent. Hav e > a nice day! > > > ~Gypsy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 03:30:05 -0500 From: "Kelli" Subject: Re: abstinence i had an aquaintence a couple years ago that was told she would die if she had her baby.. and then the doctor told her she should have it anyway..she had an abortion.. im sorry but if your raped unless you feel you can deal with the emotional pain of everything then have an abortion.. if you are going to DIE from having a baby then you obviously have some serious issues to think about, i personally wouldnt have the baby ... everyone is entitled to their own opinion but some things you just have to say "no" to.. there are very VERY VERY VERY limited people i would give my life for..and an unborn child is not one of them..maybe that sounds fucked up but its true and you cannot expect a rape victim to keep a child..i dont agree with abortion and im not saying its the best thing to do ..but there are just some instances when its a valid option > > First off...there is NO reason EVER for abortion. Even if your raped. Even if > the doctors say your going to die if you dont have an abortion. Theres no > excuse you can make up to rationalize it. If I got pregnant from a rapist I > would hav ethe child. If the doctors said that I would die if I had it...I > would have it. Theres NO anylization for the slaughter of an innocent. Hav e > a nice day! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 02:59:54 -0700 From: "Kyle" Subject: Re: abstinence I could never understand or feel the pain or emotion that some of the list members have been forced to experience in life. I know that some have been raped or at least placed into situations that they had not anticipated, while being forced to go through on their own. Nevertheless, I feel a need to respond, on account of its relation to the issue of choice and the federal abortion issue. There is NO party in the US who has an official plank in the party platform that claims that women who are victims of rape, incest or immenent threat to their lives would not be permited to have an abortion had they had their way. Dems, Repubs, Libs, Greens and so on all consider these extreme cases absolute rights of the women to decide. . When people think of the republicans they misconstrue the fringe with the true party platform. There is no chance that they would go against this even if they are against supposed "birth control" abortions. The pains of sexual trauma and abuse are extensive, and I doubt that there are many who stand against the needs of those who've had such experiences. Please understand, while they identify with a certain group, that group does not ever give in to their view and will always consider the most rare and tragic of cases beyond the power of the state and the sole moral and individual right of the transgressed. Even republicans understand, when the state fails in this specific case, the individual who is harmed makes the decision regarding what the state couldn't stop. Respectfully, Kyle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelli" To: ; Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 1:30 AM Subject: Re: abstinence > > i had an aquaintence a couple years ago that was told she would die if she > had her baby.. and then the doctor told her she should have it anyway..she > had an abortion.. im sorry but if your raped unless you feel you can deal > with the emotional pain of everything then have an abortion.. if you are > going to DIE from having a baby then you obviously have some serious issues > to think about, i personally wouldnt have the baby ... everyone is entitled > to their own opinion but some things you just have to say "no" to.. there > are very VERY VERY VERY limited people i would give my life for..and an > unborn child is not one of them..maybe that sounds fucked up but its true > and you cannot expect a rape victim to keep a child..i dont agree with > abortion and im not saying its the best thing to do ..but there are just > some instances when its a valid option > > > > > First off...there is NO reason EVER for abortion. Even if your raped. Even > if > > the doctors say your going to die if you dont have an abortion. Theres no > > excuse you can make up to rationalize it. If I got pregnant from a rapist > I > > would hav ethe child. If the doctors said that I would die if I had it...I > > would have it. Theres NO anylization for the slaughter of an innocent. Hav > e > > a nice day! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 02:19:20 -0800 From: Anij Subject: Re: abstinence Let me ask this.. Are you a woman? Do you know what it's like to be helpless somewhere not knowing where to turn? And when your pregnant by some fuck ups seed it makes you puke. If you have that child the gut wrenching memory comes back to you and it just makes you sick to look at the spawn of someone you hate. Lets get off this fucking subject cause now im gettin pissed. - -=Anij=- Kyle wrote: > I could never understand or feel the pain or emotion that some of the list > members have been forced to experience in life. I know that some have been > raped or at least placed into situations that they had not anticipated, > while being forced to go through on their own. Nevertheless, I feel a need > to respond, on account of its relation to the issue of choice and the > federal abortion issue. > There is NO party in the US who has an official plank in the party > platform that claims that women who are victims of rape, incest or immenent > threat to their lives would not be permited to have an abortion had they had > their way. Dems, Repubs, Libs, Greens and so on all consider these extreme > cases absolute rights of the women to decide. . When people think of the > republicans they misconstrue the fringe with the true party platform. There > is no chance that they would go against this even if they are against > supposed "birth control" abortions. > The pains of sexual trauma and abuse are extensive, and I doubt that > there are many who stand against the needs of those who've had such > experiences. Please understand, while they identify with a certain group, > that group does not ever give in to their view and will always consider the > most rare and tragic of cases beyond the power of the state and the sole > moral and individual right of the transgressed. Even republicans > understand, when the state fails in this specific case, the individual who > is harmed makes the decision regarding what the state couldn't stop. > Respectfully, > Kyle > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelli" > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 1:30 AM > Subject: Re: abstinence > > > > > i had an aquaintence a couple years ago that was told she would die if she > > had her baby.. and then the doctor told her she should have it anyway..she > > had an abortion.. im sorry but if your raped unless you feel you can deal > > with the emotional pain of everything then have an abortion.. if you are > > going to DIE from having a baby then you obviously have some serious > issues > > to think about, i personally wouldnt have the baby ... everyone is > entitled > > to their own opinion but some things you just have to say "no" to.. there > > are very VERY VERY VERY limited people i would give my life for..and an > > unborn child is not one of them..maybe that sounds fucked up but its true > > and you cannot expect a rape victim to keep a child..i dont agree with > > abortion and im not saying its the best thing to do ..but there are just > > some instances when its a valid option > > > > > > > > First off...there is NO reason EVER for abortion. Even if your raped. > Even > > if > > > the doctors say your going to die if you dont have an abortion. Theres > no > > > excuse you can make up to rationalize it. If I got pregnant from a > rapist > > I > > > would hav ethe child. If the doctors said that I would die if I had > it...I > > > would have it. Theres NO anylization for the slaughter of an innocent. > Hav > > e > > > a nice day! - -- ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ~ An it harm none,~ ~ Do what you will~ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:24:54 EDT From: BUDave18@aol.com Subject: Re: abstinence Morrissey says he's been abstinent for 6 years... now that he's not hot anymore, go figure :) peace, seb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:36:51 EDT From: JustSpiffy@aol.com Subject: Re: abstinence > Even if your raped. Even if > Well, I was raped, and on top of that, it was an ectopic pregnancy (the kind that could kill you. So unless you have been in my shoes or shoes similar to mine, please don't tell me what I do or do not do. Lets change the subject please. Aoibhinn ~*~Aoibhinn~*~ "Got my red gltter coffin, I just need one last nail." "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:59:37 EDT From: Prozackitty16@aol.com Subject: I survived an abortion...they tried to abort ME! Yes..actually..I do... And I ALSO know what its like to SURVIVE AN ABORTION. AS IN THE ONE BEING ABORTED!!!!!! Do you know what it feels like to be THAT?? And I know that no life deserves to go through that. No life deserves to die for somthing that they had no controle over. God put that baby in taht person, and, raped or not, it HAS A PURPOSE. Just like I do. Which is why I survived. ~Gypsy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 10:48:41 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR 13 In a message dated 5/26/01 3:25:48 AM Central Daylight Time, thegeneral@knology.net writes: > Nature says old enough to bleed, old enough to > breed. It is our society now that has artificially pushed adulthood up to > One last comment, I live in Tennessee and I know that nature does not say "Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed", it's the REDNECKS that say it that drive by my school everyday hooting and hollering cat calls, it's disgusting. You're not female, dear. If a girl gets her period at age eleven, that DOES NOT mean she can carry it in her body. I got my period when I was 11 and I weighed 85 pounds, do you THINK that an 85 pound child would be able to carry a baby? I don't think so... And I do not think that ny "forgiving" God would let a little girl get raped because the baby was meant to be here. What GOD would do that? That's sick. ~*~ Love, love, is a verb, love is a doing word~ Massive Attack ~*~ Adventure, excitement, the Jedi craves not these things~ Silent Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 11:09:32 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Retroactive Abortion I always had a problem with abortion. Seemed kind of prejudicial to me. After all, who can POSSIBLY know what would have become of the child had it been left to grow without interference. On the other hand, parents SHOULD have the right to choose, according to the logic I have been reading here and some of them seem to make a lot of sense. So how about a compromise!! Let the child be born, raise it for 10-15 years by then you will have a pretty good idea how he or she will turn out and you can make an informed choice on if he should live or die. But then they say people can change, so maybe we should wait till they are 30 or 40 before we choose to take them out or not. I can't decide on this age thing though, I wonder what age you guys think a parents right to choose stops? Or does it ever? My Mom was saying just the other day how she wished I had never been born, talk about taking three steps for the door!!! I know, I know ---it is DIFFERENT if it is a baby, a ,baby is just a piece of tissue in the mothers body. Thing is we all have a LOT of tissue in us, take ANY of that tissue and leave it alone and it WILL die and be replaced. Our cells replicate all the time. But a baby, the only way to make IT stop growing is to kill it. And if we accept that there is an age that it is OK to kill that organism, because it is just the mothers tissue, then why stop at a few weeks, let's continue that out so we can wipe out the mistake as far into it's growth as the mother wants to! Just think of how happy the world would be if we could practice retroactive abortion! This makes MUCH more sense to me and is MUCH more in the spirit of a woman's right to choose. At least THIS way she is making an informed choice. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 11:39:40 EDT From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: Retroactive Abortion By the way, for the record... I don't REALLY believe in retroactive abortion, I just watched Willy Wonka and when Veruca Salt got sent to the incinerator it got me thinking.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 08:59:23 -0700 From: AT Subject: NPR:I survived an awful 6 months And now June is here,almost.Only 5 1/2 days till hurricane season. AT ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 10:57:21 -0500 From: "syrigmus" Subject: poe.navelsex.com question Hey guys, quick question for you: I've just recently checked out poe.navelsex.com for the first time a while back and I've decided to download most of what's there. The problem is that my modem is crap and that's going to take awhile. So, I was wondering if you guys had any suggestions as to which mp3's and vid's are the most significant so i could check those out first. thanks syrigmus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 12:02:53 EDT From: BUDave18@aol.com Subject: Re: Retroactive Abortion wow. in response to a few peoples posts, how sad it must be to have parents who say that they wished you were never born. Man here i was thinking that i had it fairly bad, but my parents always supported me and gave 30000%, as messed(read: 'fuked") up as they were sometimes, but... man, peace, seb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 12:19:45 -0400 From: "Jeff Thompson" Subject: NPR:Re: Retroactive Abortion Your comment makes me think of Perry Ferrell's line in Pig's In Zen "some people should die, its just unconscious knowledge" But then I felt upset about that because yes maybe some should but who is to know whom the proper judge is. And the jugemental tone on the whole abortion issue bothers me. Life is filled with mistakes, sins, love, hope, and so many things of horror and wonder that no matter what denomination or belief we have, we still have no right to be the judge of others, I am sick of Christian's who judge before their God has a chance to. Love is the only way to approach anything. If you want to end abortion instead of picketing abortion centers offer to pay the medical costs, adopt the children and help the women with unwanted pregnancies otherwise you are doing nothing but spitting out empty words. I should stay out of the abortion issue since I have a penis will never have to have an abortion I have no right to say anything except that it is the choice of the women involved. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Retroactive Abortion > > By the way, for the record... I don't REALLY believe in retroactive abortion, > I just watched Willy Wonka and when Veruca Salt got sent to the incinerator > it got me thinking.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:46:52 -0700 From: "Tim Dube" Subject: Re: I survived an abortion...they tried to abort ME! God is dead and no one cares People, countries, especially ours spend too much time trying to protect other people from what they deem is not good. Let people decide what is good for them and what isn't the world will be a better place. dubious - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Prozackitty16@aol.com To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: I survived an abortion...they tried to abort ME! Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:59:37 EDT Yes..actually..I do... And I ALSO know what its like to SURVIVE AN ABORTION. AS IN THE ONE BEING ABORTED!!!!!! Do you know what it feels like to be THAT?? And I know that no life deserves to go through that. No life deserves to die for somthing that they had no controle over. God put that baby in taht person, and, raped or not, it HAS A PURPOSE. Just like I do. Which is why I survived. ~Gypsy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 09:17:04 -0800 From: Anij Subject: Re: Retroactive Abortion My parents weren't even expecting me. They had just given birth to my sister then 6weeks later she found out she was pregnant. My mother told me she didn't want anymore children after my sister. She got her tubes tied for that reason. My mom won't lie to me. She did not want me. Maybe she should have aborted me but she didn't and now my life is so fucked up. From the way my brother and sisters treated me I doubt I'm even my fathers kid. I've been like a parasite in my home for the past 18 years. Just try stomaching that shit. your 5 years old and your parents tekk you "Oh you weren't even expected, honey, When I went in for my 6 week checkup we found I was pregnant again." just thinking of that hurts. - -=Anij=- BUDave18@aol.com wrote: > wow. in response to a few peoples posts, > how sad it must be to have parents who say that they wished you were never > born. Man here i was thinking that i had it fairly bad, but my parents always > supported me and gave 30000%, as messed(read: 'fuked") up as they were > sometimes, but... > > man, > peace, > seb - -- ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ~ An it harm none,~ ~ Do what you will~ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:19:19 -0400 From: "Claire HM" Subject: Re: NPR:Re: Retroactive Abortion although trying to stay out of this thread, knowing it fills me with such hostility I am willing to get militant at the drop of the hat for my right to my body, knowing that other people are just that militant to save all life( but many of them wont care for those lives they save once they are born, knowing many people have said many things on this list already, I can't help but at least say, I agree with the below post. Love it all that matters.... and if you don't want people to have abortions then you otta be doing more to help all the children growing up in families where they aren't wanted and can't be feed, but since they didn't belive in abortion were brought into this world. Small beautiful children whose smiles light me up when I think of them, and then their tears, and theknowledge I see in a five year old's eyes as she tells about being molested and how she allowed it so that it wouldn't happen to her little sister. This happened for many reasons, but the main one I see? Their mom had more children she could handle. She couldn't afford sitters to go to work, she worked, but then couldn't get wic. So she moved to live with her ex-in-laws, and they watched those girls and that is what happened. she is pregnant again, and when pregnant can't take her medication that allows her to hold a job. She got kicked out of her home, and is due to have her third child at the age of 25, and has no where to live and no job and three kids, whom she "loves", and she would never have an abortion. I love those children, but I can't save them and I tried. Every one has tried. I just hope the future will be better, but i would never ever, ever, bring a child into this world, if I could not provide for it. So for those of you who can't stand abortion(I agree... I love children, want one more than anything in this world!) then instead of picketing, or siging protests, or whatever.... spend that energy making this world safe for those children you want so badly to have a chance. Help give them a fucking chance once they are here.... please.... please... please... then all this argument, and pain, and disagreement... may actually get us some where... .and get those children somewhere besides the streets. sorry, and thank you. Claire snip>>>>> Love is the only way to approach anything. If >you want to end abortion instead of picketing abortion centers offer to pay >the medical costs, adopt the children and help the women with unwanted >pregnancies otherwise you are doing nothing but spitting out empty words. snip>>> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:40:17 EDT From: LivTheMdns@aol.com Subject: NPR Re: I survived an abortion...they tried to abort ME! In a message dated 5/26/01 10:23:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Prozackitty16@aol.com writes: > And I know that no life deserves to go through that. No life deserves to die > for somthing that they had no controle over. God put that baby in taht > person, and, raped or not, it HAS A PURPOSE. Just like I do. Which is why I > survived. > Well... I've heard accounts that God is either a bumbler or a sadist, either He can't stop all the suffering, or He lets it happen. Either benevolent or omnipotent, pick one. Or maybe just an equal sign. - -Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:44:44 -0400 From: "Jeff Thompson" Subject: NPR:Re: Retroactive Abortion I was the reason my parents got married. My mom was 16 when she was pregnant with me married when she was four months pregnant. My dad didn't get to go to college became an alcholic and cocaine addict. My mom fough really hard to keep things together, by 16 my dad fell apart but made into to rehab and changed everything. And things are better now but I had 16 years of hell, I wouldn't trade them for anythign but I still don't care every person is different every situation is different I take care of myself and help others when I can and that is all I can do. jeff thompson ninthwave@mindspring.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anij" To: Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 1:17 PM Subject: Re: Retroactive Abortion > > My parents weren't even expecting me. They had just given birth to my sister then > 6weeks later she found out she was pregnant. My mother told me she didn't want > anymore children after my sister. She got her tubes tied for that reason. My mom > won't lie to me. She did not want me. Maybe she should have aborted me but she > didn't and now my life is so fucked up. From the way my brother and sisters > treated me I doubt I'm even my fathers kid. I've been like a parasite in my home > for the past 18 years. Just try stomaching that shit. your 5 years old and your > parents tekk you "Oh you weren't even expected, honey, When I went in for my 6 > week checkup we found I was pregnant again." just thinking of that hurts. > > -=Anij=- > > BUDave18@aol.com wrote: > > > wow. in response to a few peoples posts, > > how sad it must be to have parents who say that they wished you were never > > born. Man here i was thinking that i had it fairly bad, but my parents always > > supported me and gave 30000%, as messed(read: 'fuked") up as they were > > sometimes, but... > > > > man, > > peace, > > seb > > -- > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > ~ An it harm none,~ > ~ Do what you will~ > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 14:03:24 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR:Re: Retroactive Abortion In a message dated 5/26/2001 12:28:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ninthwave@mindspring.com@gte.net writes: > I am sick of Christian's who judge before > their God has a chance to. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Their God has already judged that we all die, it's just a matter of when. Of course there is this eternal life thing that is part of the death package. Maybe it is more like what the French call "the little death" after all. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 14:08:56 -0400 From: "Jeff Thompson" Subject: Re: NPR:Re: Retroactive Abortion I thought the French Little Death was the poetic term for orgasm. But to some that is the only heaven they acknowledge. My comment was more on the fact that if you are of strong faith then worry about your soul, and your afterlife, the best you can do for others is show compassion and pity. Christ like qualities. But I don't like arguing faith because you believe or you don't know one is going to proof anyone else wrong or right so why not just try live. Jeff Thompson ninthwave@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: KrodKnid@aol.com To: ninthwave@mindspring.com ; angry-psychos@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: Re: NPR:Re: Retroactive Abortion In a message dated 5/26/2001 12:28:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ninthwave@mindspring.com@gte.net writes: I am sick of Christian's who judge before their God has a chance to. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Their God has already judged that we all die, it's just a matter of when. Of course there is this eternal life thing that is part of the death package. Maybe it is more like what the French call "the little death" after all. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 14:17:30 -0400 From: Robby Black Subject: Atlanta show? So how was the Atlanta show??? Please tell - -Robby ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:29:47 -0500 From: "Peter Ranville" Subject: Poe on leno in canada Did I miss it, or was it just not aired yet? I watched tuesday, wednesday, thursday, and friday is there a place I can get the preformance online? BTW, I just bought hello finally like 5 years later (new poe fan) it kix Poe and NIN should hook up, that would kick booty. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:49:20 -0500 From: "Bad Bender" Subject: NPR:Re: NPR:Re: Retroactive Abortion Why are Christians always the bad guys? (please note a slightly cheerful tone here) Every religion and non-religion has people that judge. (this is not meant to be a argument) - ----- Original Message ----- > no matter what denomination or belief we have, we still have no > right to be the judge of others, I am sick of Christian's who judge before > their God has a chance to. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 14:48:58 -0400 From: "Jeff Thompson" Subject: Re: NPR:Re: NPR:Re: Retroactive Abortion I didn't say I wasn't Christian either. I just hate hypocrisy and see it more within the American Christian Community. Though it may be just being in the middle of it. Jeff Thompson ninthwave@mindspring.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bad Bender" To: "Jeff Thompson" ; Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 2:49 PM Subject: NPR:Re: NPR:Re: Retroactive Abortion > Why are Christians always the bad guys? (please note a slightly cheerful > tone here) Every religion and non-religion has people that judge. (this is > not meant to be a argument) > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > no matter what denomination or belief we have, we still have no > > right to be the judge of others, I am sick of Christian's who judge before > > their God has a chance to. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 11:58:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Gabrielle Wootton Subject: this is kinda funny In realjukebox there are different little images that you can display while playing music in place of those bars that go up and down with the volume of different parts of the music (bass, treble, whatever) So there's this little sheep that kind of dances or sways with the music, pretty boring for the most part. Normally when I put in punk music or whatever she just kind of rocks back and forth. But today I put in haunted, and during the song haunted i was watching the sheep, and for the first time that i've seen it, a ufo came along and was shooting these green rays at her and her head was tilted all crazy and her tongue was hanging out. Stuff was actually happening. It was pretty funny. Maybe you just had to've been there. - -Gabrielle and not i'm not on anything :) Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 12:02:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Shanna Hollich Subject: Re: I survived an abortion...they tried to abort ME! *NPR* - --- Prozackitty16@aol.com wrote: > > Yes..actually..I do... And I ALSO know what its like > to SURVIVE AN ABORTION. > AS IN THE ONE BEING ABORTED!!!!!! Do you know what > it feels like to be THAT?? > And I know that no life deserves to go through that. > No life deserves to die > for somthing that they had no controle over. God put > that baby in taht > person, and, raped or not, it HAS A PURPOSE. Just > like I do. Which is why I > survived. And what if abortion is in the best interest of the child? If someone is going to give birth to a baby who will live a life filled with poverty, starvation, prejudice, and violence, why not abort the child and spare it the absolute pain of living? Face it. Life sucks. A lot. And if a child is going to grow up only to attain scars from the hundreds of suicide attempts, to wake up every morning wishing it had never been born, wishing the pain would only end... is that a life worth saving? Why not abort the baby that nobody wants and, apparently according to the Christian faith, let it rejoice in heaven (since, after all, it's "innocent")? Overall, it is my opinion that we sometimes over-value life in our society. Like when 100-year-old gramps is holed up in the hospital, has been in a coma for the past twenty years, is basically brain dead, but, "He's alive. We can't kill him, he's a live human being." Just let him go. Death is an inevitable part of life. (Besides, were humans even meant to live this long? Way back when, the average age was 35. Now it's in the 70's. No wonder our population is so out of control - it's not so much the amount of babies being born, it's that no one's dying. And we're killing the EARTH because of our precious human LIFE. Yeh. That's worth it. Let's just doom every other species on the face of the planet.) Maybe it's in a god's plan that that little baby be aborted. Maybe, Prozackitty, it was in a god's plan that you survived. Either way, you don't really know for sure. And probably never will (how depressing is that?). But I digress. One can't stop people from getting abortions. Anyone's got a problem with that, they can start adopting a couple hundred unwanted kids. Otherwise, I guess deal with the fact that life is not always as precious as we would like to make it seem. And some people just don't want it. ===== Shanna Hollich - Shadow123@poe.org AOL IM: RHFoJO shadow123.diaryland.com NO S N B- C~ L- O++ CV Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 12:34:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "J.R. Jobe" Subject: NPR:Re: Judging others... - ---It's because one of the most important teachings in the Bible is that you shouldn't judge others and that you should treat everyone the same because everyone is a sinner. When someone decides to "pick and choose" which parts of the Bible to follow and which to ignore, that's when you become a hypocrite. When you become a hypocrite that's when people with other "beliefs" are allowed to criticize your religion. - ---But like you said, "Every religion and non-religion has people that judge," which is completely true. The problem is that Christians seem to judge more than anybody else. Good example: "If you're not a saved Christian, then you're going to hell." I don't hear many Buddhist's saying similar things on a daily basis. - ---I'm not trying to argue either, just trying to point out a mistake that alot of my fellow Christians make. - ---Jobe - --- Bad Bender wrote: > > Why are Christians always the bad guys? (please note > a slightly cheerful > tone here) Every religion and non-religion has > people that judge. (this is > not meant to be a argument) Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:39:58 -0400 From: "lunasea" Subject: Re: abstinence Forced abstinence doesn't count. ;) kitty - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 9:24 AM Subject: Re: abstinence > > Morrissey says he's been abstinent for 6 years... > > now that he's not hot anymore, go figure :) > > peace, > seb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:50:53 -0400 From: "lunasea" Subject: Re: I survived an abortion...they tried to abort ME! *NPR* I've had an abortion. And here's why: 1. My parents would have disowned me if I had the baby. 2. I had gone through serious surgery before I knew I was pregnant, and all the pain medications and anesthetics crossed the placenta and went straight to the baby. 3. I was on roxocet (liquid codeine) for over a week. This was all before I knew I was pregnant. I went and had a sonogram done. It looked like a normal baby at 8 weeks. Really tugged at my heart strings. But I went and talked to my ob/gyn, and she said there was no way the baby could be healthy after all that. On top of everything, I had been smoking at the beginning of the pregnancy as well, and living with someone who smoked even after we knew I was pregnant. There were so many unhealthy things I did for that baby, even though I did not know that I was pregnant, and it was all unintentional. Nobody wants to bring an unhealthy baby into the world. I couldn't have afforded it. The doctors urged me to have an abortion, because there was no way that the baby could be healthy, and there was a high risk of brain damage, chemical dependency, and the like. If there was no risk for the baby's health, I would have had the baby, regardless of what my parents said. But things are better off this way. Bottom line. You can't dictate what someone else does with their body. It's about the right to choose, not about the actual act of abortion. Abortions are not happy things, and I could not live with myself for a very long time. I'm starting to get over it and move on. Anyway... my point is that there are always underlying circumstances that take this situation out of black and white and into various shades of grey. It's a hard thing to deal with, but no one has the right to tell anybody else what to do with their body. Sometimes it is best for the child. Sometimes it's just best for everybody. Nobody can make this decision for you, and your right to decide should not be taken away, regardless of how wrong and evil people say you are for having an abortion. It's your body. It's your life. It's your choice. - -end rant- kitty ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #219 ***********************************