From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #217 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Friday, May 25 2001 Volume 06 : Number 217 Today's Subjects: ----------------- viva el amor [Ivysnow09@aol.com] Re: Poe on leno ["TRACI GRABLER" ] Poe.navelsex.com- New stuff up.. [Ed Hunsinger ] RE: Poe.navelsex.com- New stuff up.. [Erik Schalburg ] Re: Dane Edna?!?! [Talk2Bill@aol.com] PR: oxygen channel clip ["monkeygrrl _" ] NPR: ready, aim, fire! [indigofaerie ] Re: Dane Edna?!?! [AZTECLADY007@aol.com] Re: "Hey Pretty" ["Robert A Darke" ] Re: Poe on leno ["Robert A Darke" ] NPR: VCD? ["Robert A Darke" ] Re: NPR: ready, aim, fire! ["J.R. Jobe" ] New "Echoes" message up... ["J.R. Jobe" ] S.E.A.P. - 05.25.01... TODAY - final list ["Rusty Shelby" ] RE: NPR: VCD? [Ed Hunsinger ] RE: Poe on leno [Ed Hunsinger ] Re: Viva' al amore... [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] NPR: (happy?) Leno [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: NPR: (happy?) Leno [Anij ] Regional AP thingys ["Robert A Darke" ] Re: NPR Open-minded [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: NPR: ready, aim, fire! [GaulAiel@aol.com] NPR: ready, aim, fire! ["Bad Bender" ] Re: NPR: ready, aim, fire! [Anij ] Re: NPR: ready, aim, fire! ["Bad Bender" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 02:36:01 EDT From: Ivysnow09@aol.com Subject: viva el amor Hello everyone, I haven't had time to read my APs mail today, so if this has already been said- sorry! I watched the show Wednesday night.... Poe was AMAZING, but the show itself was pretty lame. I was worried there wasn't even gonna be time for her. It sucks how the musical guests hardly ever get interview time. But getting to the subject of my e-mail- I hadn't noticed the words on her shirt at the time. But looking at the pics at www.PolishChick.com I see them clearly! Viva El Amor roughly translates "the love lives" in Spanish. So Poe could be either: a) A Pretenders fan or b) Promoting peace and harmony Either one is fine with me! Seeing that I'm a Pretenders fan AND a promoter of peace and harmony! Hope this helps, Ivy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:42:06 -0400 From: "TRACI GRABLER" Subject: Re: Poe on leno Hi A-P's! I just wanted to say that I love POE! I can't get enough of her! I live in New Jersey and I'm 26. My friend about a year ago let me borrow Poe's "Hello" album. I immediately was hooked. She rocks! Nevertheless I bought her "Haunted" album and can't stop listening to it! I am also currently reading the "House of Leaves" on my hellish commute to New York where I work. All I have to say is that I'm also going to see her in concert w/Depeche Mode in Philadelphia-Which I can't wait!!!!! I told you --I'm psycho!! I did see Poe's Leno debut and I must say that I'm so very proud of her! Although I was a little disappointed to see that Mark wasn't there I still believe that POE rocked the house! Not to mention the fact that I'm also disappointed that there was no interview-What's up with that? I saw Poe blow you Angry Psychos a kiss in the audience and heard you all cheering her on after her performance. I wished I was there! I'd love to have something like that happen here on this side of the world. Are there any AP's over on the East side? Forgive me-I am new to the AP's. You guys rock! Thank You all for making this happen! You guys rock! I love the AP's and I love you POE!!!!!!!!! Congratualtions and continued success!!!!! Thank You!!!!! Traci _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:20:41 -0400 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: Poe.navelsex.com- New stuff up.. The Oxygen Interview/Performance of Wild is now up on http://poe.navelsex.com in VCD mpeg. This one is pretty hefty, as it's 19 minutes long. It ended up being 190megs. Once again, it's in the Video folder right next to the Leno performance. http://poe.navelsex.com/POE/Video Enjoy.. Big thanks going out to TonyC again for providing me with the clip, I'm going to owe him my firstborn.. :) Ed Hunsinger ed@poe.org AIM: ied33i ICQ: 15667748 http://ed.hunsinger.org http://www.screamradio.net http://listen.to/wdub http://poe.navelsex.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:30:44 -0400 From: Erik Schalburg Subject: RE: Poe.navelsex.com- New stuff up.. Hey... I just wanted to give props to whoever takes care of the poe.navelsex site. Nice bandwidth, great archive - VCD rips rock! - -----Original Message----- From: Ed Hunsinger [mailto:hunsin_e@denison.edu] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:21 AM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Poe.navelsex.com- New stuff up.. The Oxygen Interview/Performance of Wild is now up on http://poe.navelsex.com in VCD mpeg. This one is pretty hefty, as it's 19 minutes long. It ended up being 190megs. Once again, it's in the Video folder right next to the Leno performance. http://poe.navelsex.com/POE/Video Enjoy.. Big thanks going out to TonyC again for providing me with the clip, I'm going to owe him my firstborn.. :) Ed Hunsinger ed@poe.org AIM: ied33i ICQ: 15667748 http://ed.hunsinger.org http://www.screamradio.net http://listen.to/wdub http://poe.navelsex.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:45:16 EDT From: AZTECLADY007@aol.com Subject: Re: Dane Edna?!?! LOLOL I agree...SHE WAS HILARIOUS! I too loved the fact that she bagged on Ben Affleck...I didn't have anything against the dude...BUT MAN, can you be anymore pretentious and rude....I reallly don't like him now...he may be a descent actor...but i just don't like him very much now...EDNA ON THE OTHER HAND...I LOVED. She was entertaining...:) P.S>..................WOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! 3 DAY WEEKEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sandra-D POE RULLLLLLLLLLLLES! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:47:46 -0700 From: "Robert A Darke" Subject: T-shirt HELP!!!!!!!! I had the payment information (I ordered 2 of each AP shirt like a good lil' psycho), but the email account it was sent to is dead. For no reason. So, I need to know how much I need to send and where!!! Thanks! Rob (the order was placed with the email address "creekwooddiode@iname.com") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:16:05 EDT From: Talk2Bill@aol.com Subject: Re: Dane Edna?!?! > I agree...SHE WAS HILARIOUS! > Yeah he is a riot ... and give Ben a break 'she' was flirting with Ben knowing that Ben would be uncomfortable with the whole thing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:31:56 -0000 From: "monkeygrrl _" Subject: PR: oxygen channel clip bless the navelsex soul for that clip of poe singing 'wild' on the oxygen network. good, good stuff. besides it being probably my favorite song off the album, poe gave an excellent performance & interview. takes a little time to download, but *well* worth it. so quit reading and asking ?estions and go take a look. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:36:04 -0600 (MDT) From: indigofaerie Subject: NPR: ready, aim, fire! > Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:33:16 EDT > From: GaulAiel@aol.com > Subject: Re: NPR: ready, aim, fire! > > In a message dated 5/23/01 7:29:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KrodKnid@aol.com > writes: > > > > And if you don't think that pig and his oilman cronies (well, he is just a > > puppet himself) aren't intentionally sucking us dry with the current "gas > > crisis" you are crazy. The first gas crisis was orchestrated fer cryin' out > > loud...this one is even more trumped up. > > > > Wait a minute... Bush is sucking us dry??!! Where do you get that? How is he > profiting from it? The fact is that this whole power/gas shortage has been > building for YEARS. Face facts, because of the lack of our own oil > production, we are at the mercy of foreign oil companies (OPEC) who have cut > back the supply to raise prices. If we produced our own oil, this would not > be a problem. But we haven't expanded our oil drilling facilities in 25 > years. Why is that? Because Washington has been held back by environmental > extremists and their democrat lackies. Whenever you have extremists > influencing policy, you're going to end up in trouble. But this is just what > the democrats wanted... high gas prices, to punish the wanton use of > gasoline/oil. So if you support Clinton/Gore and oppose Bush, you should be > happy about this situation. You definitely shouldn't be bitching about it. > You got what you wanted. As far as energy in Cali, they are reaping what they > have sown. They pandered to the environmental extremists and wouldn't build > power plants despite the growth of the state's population. That's THEIR > fault, and it's NOT the President's job to regulate power companies. Now Cali > is relying on other states to violate EPA rules to give them power and they > want to bitch about it? C'mon... get real. It's time for a reality check. > There is a middle ground. Noone wants uncontrolled damage to the > environment, but we also must be able to supply our population with the > energy needed to exist. That's why Bush came out with his 100+ sugestions on > how we approach this problem, where the majority of suggestions addressed > conservation over expansion of energy consumption. But then again, some > people don't want to look at the facts... instead they want to imagine that > there is an evil empire in power bent on destroying the world. Give us all a > break... us using the oil that is currently available in the US is a non-feasible solution. even if we find and drill 100% of the oil that is available in the US (we haven't even FOUND most of it) it can't sustain us very long. the oil that's in the alaska protected place (wildlife refuge or whatever?) would sustain the US for 6 months. six months, that's it. and the problem is that use of oil is increasing exponentially - which means that every ten years, it doubles. DOUBLES. now if you look at the amount of oil in the WORLD that's been used thus far, and the amount that's LEFT, we've passed the halfway point... there's less left than has been used already. we've got less than ten years of oil left on the PLANET, and that's INCLUDING all the stuff we haven't even discovered yet. we've got a major energy crisis on our hands, and no one is really looking at the facts. most people are too busy spewing political rhetoric to bother to check facts. how do i know all the above? an energy expert came to a class i was in this past spring and spent a lot of time explaining it clearly to us, showing us graphs, presenting every "side" to the story, explaining how "facts" that politicos present are nice convenient twisting of details.... - --emilie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:40:22 EDT From: AZTECLADY007@aol.com Subject: Re: Dane Edna?!?! !!!!!!!!!!!!!HE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just kidding....tee heeeeee Sandra-D - ----------------------------------------------- > Yeah he is a riot ... and give Ben a break 'she' was flirting with Ben knowing that Ben would be uncomfortable with the whole thing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 14:30:29 -0700 From: "Robert A Darke" Subject: Re: "Hey Pretty" The main reason I like "Hey Pretty" is because I've always called my 3 year old neice "Pretty." So, everytime I see her I've always said "oh there's pretty!" So now when I see her I get to sing... "hey pretty..." It's fun. And that's why that song's special to me. 8-) Rob From: Fzanya@aol.com@smoe.org on 05/24/2001 04:04 PM EDT Sent by: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org To: dvdmike@hotmail.com cc: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: Leno sucks! and "Hey Pretty" Michael-- I agree with everything you just said, completely. I only sort of like "Hey Pretty", I don't like to listen to it often. I think she seemed very nervous, so that it affected, and hindered, her singing and even her presence. I don't blame her, and I know you don't either. She probably hasn't performed in a long time, and no matter how much Leno sucks, it's a HUGE show, and it probably freaked her out a bit. I would have vomited if I were her! She's still the best, and it was a thrill to get to see her. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:20:48 -0700 From: "Robert A Darke" Subject: Re: Poe on leno Ha! I guess "spoken word" is too sophisticated for the Leno crowd, huh? That's pretty sad. And just think of what the exposure of Mark's sexy lil self via the tonight show could've done for HOL sales... 8-) From: "plexor" @smoe.org on 05/24/2001 06:36 PM AST Sent by: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org To: angry-psychos@smoe.org cc: Subject: Poe on leno I heard on the radio here in dallas (kdge) that the reason mark was not with poe on leno (hence the change in the song) was that the producers of the leno show did not feel that their viewers were ready for spoken word. Take care all plexor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:49:08 -0700 From: "Robert A Darke" Subject: NPR: VCD? So, how does the whole VCD thing work? Can I make one with the files if I just have a cd burner? Clarification would be hot. 8-) Rob From: "Erik Schalburg" @smoe.org on 05/25/2001 10:30 AM AST Sent by: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org To: angry-psychos@smoe.org cc: Subject: RE: Poe.navelsex.com- New stuff up.. Hey... I just wanted to give props to whoever takes care of the poe.navelsex site. Nice bandwidth, great archive - VCD rips rock! - -----Original Message----- From: Ed Hunsinger [mailto:hunsin_e@denison.edu] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:21 AM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Poe.navelsex.com- New stuff up.. The Oxygen Interview/Performance of Wild is now up on http://poe.navelsex.com in VCD mpeg. This one is pretty hefty, as it's 19 minutes long. It ended up being 190megs. Once again, it's in the Video folder right next to the Leno performance. http://poe.navelsex.com/POE/Video Enjoy.. Big thanks going out to TonyC again for providing me with the clip, I'm going to owe him my firstborn.. :) Ed Hunsinger ed@poe.org AIM: ied33i ICQ: 15667748 http://ed.hunsinger.org http://www.screamradio.net http://listen.to/wdub http://poe.navelsex.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:20:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "J.R. Jobe" Subject: Re: NPR: ready, aim, fire! - ---I'm glad you said it so I didn't have to. I can remember when the republicans where all laughing at Gore when he said that we should try to eliminate gas-powered engines within 10 years. They don't want to stop looking for oil, because it's making them too much money. - ---Jobe - --- indigofaerie wrote: > already. we've got less than ten years of oil left > on the PLANET, and > that's INCLUDING all the stuff we haven't even > discovered yet. we've got a > major energy crisis on our hands, and no one is > really looking at the > facts. most people are too busy spewing political > rhetoric to bother to > check facts. Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:08:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "J.R. Jobe" Subject: New "Echoes" message up... - ---In case someone was wondering, there is a new message up on Poe's website. - ---Jobe Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:27:12 -0400 From: "Rusty Shelby" Subject: S.E.A.P. - 05.25.01... TODAY - final list http://www.geocities.com/rustyshelby22/POEonthebricks052501.html the final list is up... see you all at the show! everyone have a great time & i look forward to seeing everyone at the afterparty! - -rusty agentorange2@mindspring.com = rusty@poe.org | http://www.rustyisdabomb.com ***************************************************************************** ********************************* Jennifer Nettles Band: http://www.jennifernettles.com | http://www.jennifernettlesband.com ***************************************************************************** ********************************* POE: "Haunted" the new album in stores now featuring the new single, "Hey Pretty". | http://www.p-o-e.com | http://www.buffybb.net/poe | ***************************************************************************** ********************************* Amanda Ghost: "Ghost Stories" album in stores now featuring the latest single, "Idol" http://www.amandaghost.net | http://amandaghost.cjb.net/ ***************************************************************************** ********************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:18:30 -0400 From: "TRACI GRABLER" Subject: Re: Poe on leno Hello again! No, I haven't been to Ed's Site yet. Only Polishchick.com and P-O-E.com. I really haven't heard everything from Poe. Just her "Today" song off of Great Expectations soundtrack and her Hello and Haunted Albums. I am a new fan of hers, unfortunately. However I'd love to check Ed's site out. This is great. Thanks for the info. Have you ever met Poe in person? I'm just curious. I am an artist and Someday I want to give her one of my paintings. That would be so cool! I hope she likes it. I know this is only a dream of mine but I wish she'd let me design a cd cover. That would be the highest honor ever! (I'm a graphic artist.) Sorry to go on blabbering and daydreaming... >From: KrodKnid@aol.com >To: tgrabler@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: Poe on leno >Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:53:19 EDT > >In a message dated 5/25/2001 11:16:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >tgrabler@hotmail.com writes: > > > > Thanks! I've been to that site so many times it's not funny anymore! >That is > > such a great website. Great to hear about New York "crawling" with > > Psychos! > > That's funny! Well thanks for replying! Look forward to talking with you > > soon, fellow Psycho! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > One of the cooler APs from back when was SullenGirl...she was from >Jersey:-) > > Have you been to Eds site yet? Lots of nifty Poe downloads. Of course, >if > > you haven't yet heard "Padre Fear" you are required (by me) to download >the > > MP3 post haste. > > FTP root at >ftp.navelsex.com > > ftp://ap:poe@ftp.navelsex.com:1687/ > > also... > > Index of /poe > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:08:10 -0400 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: RE: NPR: VCD? Here's a quick FYI on VCD files VCDs are VideoCDs, or MPEG format files that can be played on several DVD and VCD players. 1. You need a VCD compliant MPEG 2. You need a burning program that can create a vcd format cd (I prefer Nero, but EasyCD works, as well as a few others I'm sure) 3. You add the mpeg file to the VCD playlist and the program should format everything correctly (you can even play around with creating nifty menus if you feel the urge to organize different clips) 4. Burn that baby! 5. Toss it in your DVD player, and if your DVD player can play VCDs as well as read burnt cds, you'll see the video in full color on your tv.. :) Quite easy to do... If you're interested in more info, a great resource is: http://www.vcdhelp.com/ That site will tell you everything you'd ever need to know.. :) And just to let people know, all the captures that I personally do and put up on Poe.Navelsex will be in VCD mpeg format first and foremost. :) >===== Original Message From Robert A Darke ===== >So, how does the whole VCD thing work? Can I make one with the files if I just >have a cd burner? > >Clarification would be hot. 8-) > > >Rob > > > > >From: "Erik Schalburg" @smoe.org on 05/25/2001 10:30 > AM AST > >Sent by: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org > > >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >cc: >Subject: RE: Poe.navelsex.com- New stuff up.. > > > >Hey... I just wanted to give props to whoever takes care of the poe.navelsex >site. Nice bandwidth, great archive - VCD rips rock! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ed Hunsinger [mailto:hunsin_e@denison.edu] >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:21 AM >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: Poe.navelsex.com- New stuff up.. > > > >The Oxygen Interview/Performance of Wild is now up on >http://poe.navelsex.com in VCD mpeg. >This one is pretty hefty, as it's 19 minutes long. It ended up being >190megs. >Once again, it's in the Video folder right next to the Leno performance. > >http://poe.navelsex.com/POE/Video > >Enjoy.. > >Big thanks going out to TonyC again for providing me with the clip, I'm >going to owe him my firstborn.. :) > > >Ed Hunsinger >ed@poe.org >AIM: ied33i >ICQ: 15667748 >http://ed.hunsinger.org >http://www.screamradio.net >http://listen.to/wdub >http://poe.navelsex.com - -Ed (Divinity) ed@poe.org http://divinity.relic.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:12:08 -0400 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: RE: Poe on leno Another fyi.. poe.navelsex.com is now stable, and can always be accessed through http://poe.navelsex.com the ftp.navelsex.com is going to slowly become outdated, and eventually disappear when I have it backed up well. p.n.c is now a dedicated machine.. :) enjoy.. :) Ed Hunsinger ed@poe.org AIM: ied33i ICQ: 15667748 http://ed.hunsinger.org http://www.screamradio.net http://listen.to/wdub http://poe.navelsex.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of TRACI GRABLER Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 3:19 PM To: KrodKnid@aol.com Cc: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: Poe on leno Hello again! No, I haven't been to Ed's Site yet. Only Polishchick.com and P-O-E.com. I really haven't heard everything from Poe. Just her "Today" song off of Great Expectations soundtrack and her Hello and Haunted Albums. I am a new fan of hers, unfortunately. However I'd love to check Ed's site out. This is great. Thanks for the info. Have you ever met Poe in person? I'm just curious. I am an artist and Someday I want to give her one of my paintings. That would be so cool! I hope she likes it. I know this is only a dream of mine but I wish she'd let me design a cd cover. That would be the highest honor ever! (I'm a graphic artist.) Sorry to go on blabbering and daydreaming... >From: KrodKnid@aol.com >To: tgrabler@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: Poe on leno >Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:53:19 EDT > >In a message dated 5/25/2001 11:16:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >tgrabler@hotmail.com writes: > > > > Thanks! I've been to that site so many times it's not funny anymore! >That is > > such a great website. Great to hear about New York "crawling" with > > Psychos! > > That's funny! Well thanks for replying! Look forward to talking with you > > soon, fellow Psycho! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > One of the cooler APs from back when was SullenGirl...she was from >Jersey:-) > > Have you been to Eds site yet? Lots of nifty Poe downloads. Of course, >if > > you haven't yet heard "Padre Fear" you are required (by me) to download >the > > MP3 post haste. > > FTP root at >ftp.navelsex.com > > ftp://ap:poe@ftp.navelsex.com:1687/ > > also... > > Index of /poe > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:08:26 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: Viva' al amore... Viva El Amore is a pretty popular phrase, if it were a Pretenders shirt, it probably would look differently. ~*~ Love, love, is a verb, love is a doing word~ Massive Attack ~*~ Adventure, excitement, the Jedi craves not these things~ Silent Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:10:01 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: NPR: (happy?) Leno Did anyone know that Leno means pimp in Latin? My Latin teacher wanted to look up pimp in the Latin dictionary, and from what it seems it's in close relation to "pimp". ~*~ Love, love, is a verb, love is a doing word~ Massive Attack ~*~ Adventure, excitement, the Jedi craves not these things~ Silent Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:16:27 -0800 From: Anij Subject: Re: NPR: (happy?) Leno You know thats kinda funny, your latin teacher loooking up "pimp" but to think Leno's name means pimp is pretty sick : P Anyways, gotta go. - -=Anij=- LiveThruThisVow@aol.com wrote: > Did anyone know that Leno means pimp in Latin? My Latin teacher wanted to > look up pimp in the Latin dictionary, and from what it seems it's in close > relation to "pimp". > > ~*~ Love, love, is a verb, love is a doing word~ Massive Attack > > ~*~ Adventure, excitement, the Jedi craves not these things~ Silent Bob - -- ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ~ An it harm none,~ ~ Do what you will~ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:19:21 -0700 From: "Robert A Darke" Subject: Regional AP thingys So do we have organized, regional groups? If so, can someone send me the info for Utah psychos? Or should I undertake that task myself? Who could say 'no' to monthly AP get togethers or something to that effect? It'd be hot. 8-) Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:08:08 EDT From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR Open-minded LOL, yeah. I have no problem with their overall culture, there are just parts I can't get past...I can admit to being intolerant...I'm also intolerant of murderers, rapists, child molesters, people who maim other people...I'm intolerant of the KKK and what they promote. Aren't I such a bad and narrow-minded person? Black Dove In a message dated 5/24/01 12:48:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thegeneral@knology.net writes: << (this is meant in jest) Well then you not being very open minded to other people's beliefs. Your intolerant of other cultures. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:12:10 EDT From: GaulAiel@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: ready, aim, fire! In a message dated 5/25/01 12:57:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, boyere@Colorado.EDU writes: > us using the oil that is currently available in the US is a non-feasible > solution. even if we find and drill 100% of the oil that is available in > the US (we haven't even FOUND most of it) it can't sustain us very long. > the oil that's in the alaska protected place (wildlife refuge or > whatever?) would sustain the US for 6 months. six months, that's it. and > the problem is that use of oil is increasing exponentially - which means > that every ten years, it doubles. DOUBLES. now if you look at the amount > of oil in the WORLD that's been used thus far, and the amount that's LEFT, > we've passed the halfway point... there's less left than has been used > already. we've got less than ten years of oil left on the PLANET, and > that's INCLUDING all the stuff we haven't even discovered yet. we've got a > major energy crisis on our hands, and no one is really looking at the > facts. most people are too busy spewing political rhetoric to bother to > check facts. > how do i know all the above? an energy expert came to a class i was in > this past spring and spent a lot of time explaining it clearly to us, > showing us graphs, presenting every "side" to the story, explaining how > "facts" that politicos present are nice convenient twisting of details.... > > --emilie > There is no doubt that we need to seek out alternative energy sources for power and transportation. I am not arguing that at all. My point was that for Bush haters to place the blame on him is ignorant of the true situation. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 18:25:22 -0500 From: "Bad Bender" Subject: NPR: ready, aim, fire! Using a method of oil processing the Germans developed during WW2 we can use our oil reserves alone and sustain our country for the next 25 years at 10% growth each of the 25 years. I learned this while working at a DoE facility in VA. Pretty neat stuff there to, however, eventually we will need to use other raw resources to keep everything going. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "indigofaerie" To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:36 AM Subject: NPR: ready, aim, fire! > > > Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:33:16 EDT > > From: GaulAiel@aol.com > > Subject: Re: NPR: ready, aim, fire! > > > > In a message dated 5/23/01 7:29:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KrodKnid@aol.com > > writes: > > > > > > > And if you don't think that pig and his oilman cronies (well, he is just a > > > puppet himself) aren't intentionally sucking us dry with the current "gas > > > crisis" you are crazy. The first gas crisis was orchestrated fer cryin' out > > > loud...this one is even more trumped up. > > > > > > > Wait a minute... Bush is sucking us dry??!! Where do you get that? How is he > > profiting from it? The fact is that this whole power/gas shortage has been > > building for YEARS. Face facts, because of the lack of our own oil > > production, we are at the mercy of foreign oil companies (OPEC) who have cut > > back the supply to raise prices. If we produced our own oil, this would not > > be a problem. But we haven't expanded our oil drilling facilities in 25 > > years. Why is that? Because Washington has been held back by environmental > > extremists and their democrat lackies. Whenever you have extremists > > influencing policy, you're going to end up in trouble. But this is just what > > the democrats wanted... high gas prices, to punish the wanton use of > > gasoline/oil. So if you support Clinton/Gore and oppose Bush, you should be > > happy about this situation. You definitely shouldn't be bitching about it. > > You got what you wanted. As far as energy in Cali, they are reaping what they > > have sown. They pandered to the environmental extremists and wouldn't build > > power plants despite the growth of the state's population. That's THEIR > > fault, and it's NOT the President's job to regulate power companies. Now Cali > > is relying on other states to violate EPA rules to give them power and they > > want to bitch about it? C'mon... get real. It's time for a reality check. > > There is a middle ground. Noone wants uncontrolled damage to the > > environment, but we also must be able to supply our population with the > > energy needed to exist. That's why Bush came out with his 100+ sugestions on > > how we approach this problem, where the majority of suggestions addressed > > conservation over expansion of energy consumption. But then again, some > > people don't want to look at the facts... instead they want to imagine that > > there is an evil empire in power bent on destroying the world. Give us all a > > break... > > us using the oil that is currently available in the US is a non-feasible > solution. even if we find and drill 100% of the oil that is available in > the US (we haven't even FOUND most of it) it can't sustain us very long. > the oil that's in the alaska protected place (wildlife refuge or > whatever?) would sustain the US for 6 months. six months, that's it. and > the problem is that use of oil is increasing exponentially - which means > that every ten years, it doubles. DOUBLES. now if you look at the amount > of oil in the WORLD that's been used thus far, and the amount that's LEFT, > we've passed the halfway point... there's less left than has been used > already. we've got less than ten years of oil left on the PLANET, and > that's INCLUDING all the stuff we haven't even discovered yet. we've got a > major energy crisis on our hands, and no one is really looking at the > facts. most people are too busy spewing political rhetoric to bother to > check facts. > how do i know all the above? an energy expert came to a class i was in > this past spring and spent a lot of time explaining it clearly to us, > showing us graphs, presenting every "side" to the story, explaining how > "facts" that politicos present are nice convenient twisting of details.... > > --emilie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 15:31:43 -0800 From: Anij Subject: Re: NPR: ready, aim, fire! Alaska alone has enough oil to supply the US for a long ass time but yet we ship it to everywhere else and then we buy from everyone else and that makes our fuckin gas prices sky rocket as well as natural gas. I truly believe that maybe just once the US should just start worrying about it's own problems instead of everybody elses. Will we ever get a president that will just say "I can't help these people right now, my country is fucked up as it is."? Hell no. Sorry just a little rant and probably off the subject of what yopu were talking about but i just saw something about oil and that struck a nerve. I'm gonna go back to reading the rest of my mail now :) sorry for the bitch session. - -=Anij=- Bad Bender wrote: > Using a method of oil processing the Germans developed during WW2 we can use > our oil reserves alone and sustain our country for the next 25 years at 10% > growth each of the 25 years. I learned this while working at a DoE facility > in VA. Pretty neat stuff there to, however, eventually we will need to use > other raw resources to keep everything going. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "indigofaerie" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:36 AM > Subject: NPR: ready, aim, fire! > > > > > > Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:33:16 EDT > > > From: GaulAiel@aol.com > > > Subject: Re: NPR: ready, aim, fire! > > > > > > In a message dated 5/23/01 7:29:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > KrodKnid@aol.com > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > And if you don't think that pig and his oilman cronies (well, he is > just a > > > > puppet himself) aren't intentionally sucking us dry with the current > "gas > > > > crisis" you are crazy. The first gas crisis was orchestrated fer > cryin' out > > > > loud...this one is even more trumped up. > > > > > > > > > > Wait a minute... Bush is sucking us dry??!! Where do you get that? How > is he > > > profiting from it? The fact is that this whole power/gas shortage has > been > > > building for YEARS. Face facts, because of the lack of our own oil > > > production, we are at the mercy of foreign oil companies (OPEC) who have > cut > > > back the supply to raise prices. If we produced our own oil, this would > not > > > be a problem. But we haven't expanded our oil drilling facilities in 25 > > > years. Why is that? Because Washington has been held back by > environmental > > > extremists and their democrat lackies. Whenever you have extremists > > > influencing policy, you're going to end up in trouble. But this is just > what > > > the democrats wanted... high gas prices, to punish the wanton use of > > > gasoline/oil. So if you support Clinton/Gore and oppose Bush, you should > be > > > happy about this situation. You definitely shouldn't be bitching about > it. > > > You got what you wanted. As far as energy in Cali, they are reaping what > they > > > have sown. They pandered to the environmental extremists and wouldn't > build > > > power plants despite the growth of the state's population. That's THEIR > > > fault, and it's NOT the President's job to regulate power companies. Now > Cali > > > is relying on other states to violate EPA rules to give them power and > they > > > want to bitch about it? C'mon... get real. It's time for a reality > check. > > > There is a middle ground. Noone wants uncontrolled damage to the > > > environment, but we also must be able to supply our population with the > > > energy needed to exist. That's why Bush came out with his 100+ > sugestions on > > > how we approach this problem, where the majority of suggestions > addressed > > > conservation over expansion of energy consumption. But then again, some > > > people don't want to look at the facts... instead they want to imagine > that > > > there is an evil empire in power bent on destroying the world. Give us > all a > > > break... > > > > us using the oil that is currently available in the US is a non-feasible > > solution. even if we find and drill 100% of the oil that is available in > > the US (we haven't even FOUND most of it) it can't sustain us very long. > > the oil that's in the alaska protected place (wildlife refuge or > > whatever?) would sustain the US for 6 months. six months, that's it. and > > the problem is that use of oil is increasing exponentially - which means > > that every ten years, it doubles. DOUBLES. now if you look at the amount > > of oil in the WORLD that's been used thus far, and the amount that's LEFT, > > we've passed the halfway point... there's less left than has been used > > already. we've got less than ten years of oil left on the PLANET, and > > that's INCLUDING all the stuff we haven't even discovered yet. we've got a > > major energy crisis on our hands, and no one is really looking at the > > facts. most people are too busy spewing political rhetoric to bother to > > check facts. > > how do i know all the above? an energy expert came to a class i was in > > this past spring and spent a lot of time explaining it clearly to us, > > showing us graphs, presenting every "side" to the story, explaining how > > "facts" that politicos present are nice convenient twisting of details.... > > > > --emilie - -- ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ~ An it harm none,~ ~ Do what you will~ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:02:36 -0500 From: "Bad Bender" Subject: Re: NPR: ready, aim, fire! It's all OPEC's doing that has caused our oil/prices to rise. I say we threaten to pull out tanks and aircraft out of the region unless they sell oil to the US at a much lower price. We don't need to be their hired mercenaries anymore if they insist on treating us this way. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anij" To: "Bad Bender" Cc: "indigofaerie" ; Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: Re: NPR: ready, aim, fire! > Alaska alone has enough oil to supply the US for a long ass time but yet we ship > it to everywhere else and then we buy from everyone else and that makes our > fuckin gas prices sky rocket as well as natural gas. I truly believe that maybe > just once the US should just start worrying about it's own problems instead of > everybody elses. Will we ever get a president that will just say "I can't help > these people right now, my country is fucked up as it is."? Hell no. Sorry just > a little rant and probably off the subject of what yopu were talking about but i > just saw something about oil and that struck a nerve. I'm gonna go back to > reading the rest of my mail now :) sorry for the bitch session. > > -=Anij=- > > Bad Bender wrote: > > > Using a method of oil processing the Germans developed during WW2 we can use > > our oil reserves alone and sustain our country for the next 25 years at 10% > > growth each of the 25 years. I learned this while working at a DoE facility > > in VA. Pretty neat stuff there to, however, eventually we will need to use > > other raw resources to keep everything going. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "indigofaerie" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:36 AM > > Subject: NPR: ready, aim, fire! > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:33:16 EDT > > > > From: GaulAiel@aol.com > > > > Subject: Re: NPR: ready, aim, fire! > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/23/01 7:29:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > KrodKnid@aol.com > > > > writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > And if you don't think that pig and his oilman cronies (well, he is > > just a > > > > > puppet himself) aren't intentionally sucking us dry with the current > > "gas > > > > > crisis" you are crazy. The first gas crisis was orchestrated fer > > cryin' out > > > > > loud...this one is even more trumped up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wait a minute... Bush is sucking us dry??!! Where do you get that? How > > is he > > > > profiting from it? The fact is that this whole power/gas shortage has > > been > > > > building for YEARS. Face facts, because of the lack of our own oil > > > > production, we are at the mercy of foreign oil companies (OPEC) who have > > cut > > > > back the supply to raise prices. If we produced our own oil, this would > > not > > > > be a problem. But we haven't expanded our oil drilling facilities in 25 > > > > years. Why is that? Because Washington has been held back by > > environmental > > > > extremists and their democrat lackies. Whenever you have extremists > > > > influencing policy, you're going to end up in trouble. But this is just > > what > > > > the democrats wanted... high gas prices, to punish the wanton use of > > > > gasoline/oil. So if you support Clinton/Gore and oppose Bush, you should > > be > > > > happy about this situation. You definitely shouldn't be bitching about > > it. > > > > You got what you wanted. As far as energy in Cali, they are reaping what > > they > > > > have sown. They pandered to the environmental extremists and wouldn't > > build > > > > power plants despite the growth of the state's population. That's THEIR > > > > fault, and it's NOT the President's job to regulate power companies. Now > > Cali > > > > is relying on other states to violate EPA rules to give them power and > > they > > > > want to bitch about it? C'mon... get real. It's time for a reality > > check. > > > > There is a middle ground. Noone wants uncontrolled damage to the > > > > environment, but we also must be able to supply our population with the > > > > energy needed to exist. That's why Bush came out with his 100+ > > sugestions on > > > > how we approach this problem, where the majority of suggestions > > addressed > > > > conservation over expansion of energy consumption. But then again, some > > > > people don't want to look at the facts... instead they want to imagine > > that > > > > there is an evil empire in power bent on destroying the world. Give us > > all a > > > > break... > > > > > > us using the oil that is currently available in the US is a non-feasible > > > solution. even if we find and drill 100% of the oil that is available in > > > the US (we haven't even FOUND most of it) it can't sustain us very long. > > > the oil that's in the alaska protected place (wildlife refuge or > > > whatever?) would sustain the US for 6 months. six months, that's it. and > > > the problem is that use of oil is increasing exponentially - which means > > > that every ten years, it doubles. DOUBLES. now if you look at the amount > > > of oil in the WORLD that's been used thus far, and the amount that's LEFT, > > > we've passed the halfway point... there's less left than has been used > > > already. we've got less than ten years of oil left on the PLANET, and > > > that's INCLUDING all the stuff we haven't even discovered yet. we've got a > > > major energy crisis on our hands, and no one is really looking at the > > > facts. most people are too busy spewing political rhetoric to bother to > > > check facts. > > > how do i know all the above? an energy expert came to a class i was in > > > this past spring and spent a lot of time explaining it clearly to us, > > > showing us graphs, presenting every "side" to the story, explaining how > > > "facts" that politicos present are nice convenient twisting of details.... > > > > > > --emilie > > -- > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > ~ An it harm none,~ > ~ Do what you will~ > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #217 ***********************************