From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #167 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Tuesday, May 1 2001 Volume 06 : Number 167 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Hey Pretty Video ["Stephen van Vuuren" ] Re: Courtney Love muses about Poe ["kaira *" ] Hey Pretty WHERE!?!? [Prozackitty16@aol.com] I luv Courtney [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: Hey Pretty WHERE!?!? [EXej@aol.com] Re: Courtney Love muses about Poe [StRaNgLdLoVeSoNg@aol.com] video=budget work ["Sparrkle Goddess" ] (no subject) [JESSE69356@aol.com] [none] ["Geoff Atkins" ] Re: NPR happy birthday to me [WardWorthy1@aol.com] Re: SPR: PRINT THE SHIRTS ALREADY! [WardWorthy1@aol.com] introducing the Spud! [John H ] Re: NPR- what's the name of that song? [WardWorthy1@aol.com] Re: NPR c. Love [WardWorthy1@aol.com] hey pretty video recap ["m.o.d ." ] Re: NPR c. Love ["J.R. Jobe" ] More shirt news [LivTheMdns@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #166 [ChrisyGina@aol.com] Re: I luv Courtney..hmm i DONT. ["kaira *" ] Re: NPR- what's the name of that song? ["siren" ] Re: hey pretty video recap [Mike Vaughn ] Re: Hey Pretty Video ["Stuart Kirschenbaum" ] Re: NPR C Love - I like Hole [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: More conspiracy [StarGazerLily429@aol.com] To Poe, please read [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: To Poe, please read ["Stuart Kirschenbaum" ] Re: POE in My Car. (PA APs!) [StarGazerLily429@aol.com] Re: hey pretty video recap ["the lemon queen" ] RE: hey pretty video recap ["Notajunkie" ] Re: To Clear Up Hey Pretty Video ["the lemon queen" ] Re: hey pretty video recap [Trueluhv2000@aol.com] RE: To Poe, please read ["Stephen van Vuuren" ] NPR:stella (sister) soliel [Trueluhv2000@aol.com] Re: NPR C Love - I like Hole ["Bad Bender" ] Re: NPR:stella (sister) soliel [JustSpiffy@aol.com] the poe vid [Sharonda220@aol.com] Re: video=budget work [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: (no subject) [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR C Love - I like Hole [KrodKnid@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:57:45 -0400 From: "Stephen van Vuuren" Subject: Hey Pretty Video It's been cool that people are starting to speak up about the video. When I complained about the day polishchick.com posted it, I thought I was alone and somehow missed the point. We're supposed to be Angry Psychos - I for one want much better videos and a solo tour!!!! None of this T&A remix stuff and opening act in some parts of the east stuff. Is it just that Atlantic is bastard company, or is her management not tough and determined enough, or is Poe settling for what she can get? I know it's hard as hell being an independent artist and thriving in the music world but it can be done. If there is something more we can do to help (Poe - are you there) tell us! - -- stephen www.xiveren.com "It can only be attributable to human error" - -HAL - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:00:29 -0000 From: "kaira *" Subject: Re: Courtney Love muses about Poe nope..hole fan right here! [look @ my email address.....see?]..im hole fan with a geeky hole site [well..actually sites] http://manifest-angel.com/sparks http://manifest-angel.com/deadlyvintage http://antiqueruby.pitas.com ahh..that was mildly fun... xox kaira >From: "monkeygrrl _" >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Courtney Love muses about Poe >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:28:58 -0000 > > >>Lol I'm not offended but am I the only person on this list who really >>likes >>Hole? > >nope, HUGE hole fan over here. i just didn't care to argue about it - some >people dig the band, others don't. whaddyagonnado? >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:13:51 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: hey pretty video recap no, i tend to think it was just an excuse to, as mike so aptly put it, give those who are grateful for female models mud wrestling "on music videos" (wouldn't that make the tapes too sticky to play in video decks?) a chance to drool. Geez man what's wrong with showing a little sexuality? Just because it's a *sexy* video doesn't mean it's trashy. Society tells women that they should cover up or else they're sluts, and even though I don't think that's what the video was trying to stress pOe can dress however she pleases, I'm sure she didn't just do it to attract attention. So what if the video was sexy? Who cares? ~*~ Love, love, is a verb, love is a doing word~ Massive Attack ~*~ Adventure, excitement, the Jedi craves not these things~ Silent Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:28:56 -0000 From: "monkeygrrl _" Subject: RE: hey pretty video recap >"Hey Pretty" video haters unite! before poe or her record label hears that *everyone*, incl. the ap's, hated the video, let me stick a pro vote in there. i was diggin' the video, no matter how silly, degrading, or nonsensical some find it to be. (i certainly respect the hey pretty haters opinion,but i don't share it.) maybe it does have some specific meaning to poe & mark, but even if it doesn't, is that necessarily wrong? look at all the videos that mtv plays nonstop all the freakin' time - do any of them make a lot of sense? how exactly does britney's red catsuit factor into the song? how 'bout dogs chasing those n*sync boys? or miss gagulara in ANY of her videos(flames welcome on this one!)? and the thongs all over sisqo's...uh, nevermind on that one... anyway - bottom line, i thought the video was just good fun and a little sumpin' sumpin' to feast your eyes upon. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:31:59 EDT From: Prozackitty16@aol.com Subject: Hey Pretty WHERE!?!? Where can I get to see the Video?!? I'v watched MTV as well as VH1 faithfully and I havent been able to get a peak! Any advice??? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:46:44 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: I luv Courtney Yup I'm another C. Love fan, screw Melissa A. D. Maur. All she does is join other people's bands after a member dies or leaves. D'Arcy was SOOO much better than Melissa and made the Pumpkins. Screw Melissa. ~*~ Love, love, is a verb, love is a doing word~ Massive Attack ~*~ Adventure, excitement, the Jedi craves not these things~ Silent Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:09:23 EDT From: EXej@aol.com Subject: Re: Hey Pretty WHERE!?!? Right now you can see a realvideo feed from www.polishchick.com or houseofleaves.4t.com (courtesy www.polishchick.com and atlantic records) - ---- This public service announcement brought to you by ShellE Productions www.shelle.org Check there for official Poe discography info, The Idiot's Guide to House of Leaves and much more! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:14:40 EDT From: StRaNgLdLoVeSoNg@aol.com Subject: Re: Courtney Love muses about Poe No you're not the only HOLE lover on the list, I love HOLE they're my favorite band in like the whole world at this point, COURTNEY'S A GODDESS!!!!! AND BASTARD IS GONNA ROCK!!!!!! Does anyone here like Lacuna Coil!??! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:17:54 -0400 From: "Sparrkle Goddess" Subject: video=budget work I think that the video is bad b/c it was a budget job. THey obviously had a single set and did what they could with it _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:18:44 EDT From: JESSE69356@aol.com Subject: (no subject) (1) Who you are? DeAnna Gentes (2) Where you're from? Alabama (3) How old you are? 14 (4) Where you first heard Poe? My friend let me listen to it (5) What other musicians do you listen to? Mainly if it's got a good tone and the siging is good I like it. But country is evil. (6) Any other interesting information you wish to share. Um...I don't guess so,I'm not right in the head,but that's about all. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:24:59 -0400 From: "Geoff Atkins" Subject: [none] Being that I wrote the email about Melissa joining the pumpkins...I'd like to clear a few things up. I am one of the worlds largest pumpkins fans, owning nearly 60 smashing pumpkins lp's, ep's, cd's, and imports. I have been to multiple shows and consider them a huge inspiration. D'arcy is actually the reason i started playing bass (not to mention a black fender p-bass). I was so enamoured by the fact that they had the balls to fire Jimmy in '97 after his repeated heroin ordeals. When they brought him back out of rehab, i wasn't too sure. BUT, when D'arcy leaves the band and then gets busted for coke possesion not even a week later...what can i say. she lost all respect from me. Also, Billy was the one who got Melissa a job with Hole. When he asked her to play with them, joining her ex-boyfriend and the idyllic band of her childhood, she jumped at the choice. She couldn't help but reveal the fact that when in Hole, they were always drunk and knew maybe at the most 13 songs at a time. With the pumpkins, it was granola and red bull and 97 songs. And to comment on the statement about D'Arcy making the band...try getting your facts straight. Billy and James were the makers, playing their first show at the Metro in Chicago. Afterwards confronted by D'arcy proclaiming that his band was full of shit, Billy decided to ask her to join, only because he liked her venomous attitude. Of course, she was no better than she is now. He tought James and D'arcy most of what they know. Not to mention that he played most of the Bass and rhythm guitar parts on their first three albums due to the then dating duo's extended absences and i-could-give-a-shit attitudes towards their career. So next time you decide to take up an argument on the pumpkins with me...just be prepared to step the fuck off once again! - --Geoff aka Perplexy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:41:53 EDT From: WardWorthy1@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR happy birthday to me happy birthday to you.. happy birthday to you happy birthday Stargazer Lily 429.... happy birthday to you.... and many more..... WW1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:50:38 EDT From: WardWorthy1@aol.com Subject: Re: SPR: PRINT THE SHIRTS ALREADY! Vote NOW If you were you would know!!!! What are you waiting for. PRINT THE SHIRTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! WW1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:54:41 -0700 (PDT) From: John H Subject: introducing the Spud! (Q) Who you are? John Hattin aka Spud of UC (Q) Where you're from? Alexandria VA, recent resident of Cincinnati OH (Q) How old you are? 19 (Q) Where you first heard Poe? Angry Johnny Demo on 99.1 WHFS (Washington/Baltimore) (Q) What other musicians do you listen to? too many to mention- New Wave, Indie, Modern Rock, Punk, some Techno and varations of all of those. (Q) Any other interesting information you wish to share. I'm a Spud, Damnit! Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:12:31 EDT From: WardWorthy1@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR- what's the name of that song? One of my favorite Suzanne Vega is "99.9 farenheit degrees" Great Record in all... Would definitely suggest that.. Don't forget Edna Swap "Wonderland Park" either, although they sound nothing alike... WW1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:14:28 EDT From: WardWorthy1@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR c. Love Please don't start Courtney bashing.... "Love hangs herself by her bedsheets in her cell...." Hole... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:35:05 -0600 From: "m.o.d ." Subject: hey pretty video recap what are you guys saying- you don't like the way i mud-wrestle? lol... in all seriousness though, it goes like this: clothes come off, album sales go up. disappointing but true. i think the other female was thrown in there to prevent a possibly incestuous-looking scene with a brother and a sister (it is a sexy song, and to those who don't have the book background, well, misinterpretation may occur). i agree that the video could have been done with a much more mysterious and tasteful edge and with imagery actually related to the album. but i still love you poe. >>>>> Subject: hey pretty video recap maybe someone already got this in, but the bulk of the video features poe in a lady mud-wrestling match with some unidentified female model-type. slightly offensive by itself, maybe more so when combined with the fact that it has nothing to do with the song and is therefore gratuitis. - - -jen - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:39:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "J.R. Jobe" Subject: Re: NPR c. Love - ---Too late. I HATE, HATE, HATE, Courtney Love the personality. But I do like her music. - ---Jobe - --- WardWorthy1@aol.com wrote: > > Please don't start Courtney bashing.... Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:39:05 EDT From: LivTheMdns@aol.com Subject: More shirt news Alright, it looks like there are going to be two shirts printed here. One is the taking over design and the other is Julie's design. These seemed to get the best responses from the psychos. We'd like to see what kind of interest there is in these, so e-mail truthdestroyer@aol.com and peaceofpiedesign@aol.com with what you're interested in seeing with these (color, shirt size, etc). Thanks to all the psychos who voted. Prices are looking like they'll be about ten dollars give or take a few. Thanks for your help everyone - -Mike if you haven't yet seen the designs, go to http://www.polishchick.com/munecas/screenshirts if you're looking for some shirts already on sale, go to http://www.cafepress.com/psychowear ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:42:37 EDT From: ChrisyGina@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #166 Why is POE wet and sexy in the video? Because that's what MTV and all the morons who watch it want to see, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. What a shame, I'm disappointed too but not put off because I really love her music SO MUCH. I'm kind of embarrassed in terms of the friends that I've recommended her too...they'll think she's just another gumba when they see the video. Oh well... If you need a good weird book try "End of Alice" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 01:53:33 -0000 From: "kaira *" Subject: Re: I luv Courtney..hmm i DONT. hmm...personally, i love hole, but despise courtney with every fiber of my being...(which is rather strong considering that ive never even met her, or known her personally), she is a hypoctical bitch that's full of shit and hot air. she needs to get over her little acting bug (because lets face it, she CANNOT act.). she's a sellout (admit it. just look at her.), a drugaddict, and she disrespects and fucks over every bandmate she has ever had. i love hole. and melissa could kick courtney's ass any day. courtney would be nothing without the help of her band, who unfortuntlay doses not get the recognition that they deserve. it saddens me knowing that the poorest musician in the history of the band gets the publicity while the others are cast in the shadows of her bleached blonde giant head [blame it on the ego]. why does she not want to work with poe? she's intimidated by someone who actually has talent, and dosent have to spend every waking hour being pissed at men for a bit of inspiration.. yes dammit, i am a HOLE fan, not a courtney love fan. kaira >From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: I luv Courtney >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:46:44 EDT > > > Yup I'm another C. Love fan, screw Melissa A. D. Maur. All she does is join other people's bands after a member dies or leaves. D'Arcy was SOOO much better than Melissa and made the Pumpkins. Screw Melissa. > >~*~ Love, love, is a verb, love is a doing word~ Massive Attack > >~*~ Adventure, excitement, the Jedi craves not these things~ Silent Bob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:04:01 -0500 From: "Monica Tipton" Subject: Npr, Npr Hey Guys, I just thought I would make an observation. You guys are so funny. You talk more about other people than you do about Poe, you guys also argue alot. I am sure everybody already knows that, but oh well. I always like to hear about books that people have read, oh yeah, about the hey pretty video. Some of you were saying that it related to the song, How????? I see absolutely no correlation between the two, but if somebody sees something I don't please enlighten me. love butterflee
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------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:04:54 -0400 From: "siren" Subject: Re: NPR- what's the name of that song? yeah! wonderland park is a great a album, i bought it about 2 weeks ago for 99 cents. worth a lot more than what i paid for it, i must admit... - - siren All I need is a little time To get behind this sun and cast my weight All I need is a peace of this mind Then I can celebrate. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:12 PM Subject: Re: NPR- what's the name of that song? > > One of my favorite Suzanne Vega is "99.9 farenheit degrees" > Great Record in all... Would definitely suggest that.. > > Don't forget Edna Swap "Wonderland Park" either, although they sound nothing > alike... > WW1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:31:08 -0700 From: Mike Vaughn Subject: Re: hey pretty video recap That's just not true... I would take my clothes off all the time, if I thought I could increase sales. ;-> ...oh, and put me down as someone who likes the video. I like anything with Poe in it. > > > > what are you guys saying- you don't like the way i mud-wrestle? > > lol... in all seriousness though, it goes like this: clothes come off, > album sales go up. disappointing but true. i think the other female was > thrown in there to prevent a possibly incestuous-looking scene > with a brother and a sister (it is a sexy song, and to those who don't > have the book background, well, misinterpretation may occur). i agree > that the video could have been done with a much more mysterious and > tasteful edge and with imagery actually related to the album. but i still > love you poe. >>>>> > > Subject: hey pretty video recap > > maybe someone already got this in, but the bulk of the video features > poe in a lady mud-wrestling match with some unidentified female > model-type. slightly offensive by itself, maybe more so when combined > with the fact that it has nothing to do with the song and is therefore > gratuitis. > > - -jen > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:32:23 -0400 From: "Stuart Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: Hey Pretty Video OK, I was one of the first to speak up about the video and the use of the Drive By Mix here on the list. But look, it's about publicity, and getting Poe out on the road to sing these songs. And it's about doing whatever it takes to get there. Hey Pretty is a sexy song, there's no doubt about that, and I have no problem with the video reflecting that sexuality. I for one wouldn't mind taking a ride with her, through her world. (through the wicked winding streets of her world.. God I love that lyric). We'd all love for Poe to be headlining, and that's going to happen I'm sure, cause I believe an album this great cannot be buried for long. I believe that once people start hearing the songs from Haunted, that they will be hooked as we were. But the catch-22 is that they can't know they'll love these songs unless they *hear* these songs. And if the Drive by Mix and the video help convince people to give this album a chance, then they've done the job their designed to do. Do they represent the album as well as I'd like? No. Have they helped garner publicity and new listeners? Yes. Has that helped get her on the tour with Depeche Mode? Almost certainly. So let's lighten up people. We all love Poe's music and we all want to help her take over the world. Haunted is a great work of art; the best album I've heard in years. Let's trust the talent behind that to judge what's best for it. Looking forward to seeing her at the Garden June 27th. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:35:52 EDT From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR C Love - I like Hole I like most of Hole's music. I think it is good for those times that you just need some raw, unrefined music. As for Courtney Love herself, I'm not sure that I like her. I know she did something to piss Tori Amos off (the number one musician in my life, and my number one obsession), and was apart of and quite possibly the cause of the falling out in the relationship between Trent Reznor and Tori Amos (which pisses me off because I think these two would have awesome kids...but she's married and has a kid with Mark Hawley now...), and in interviews I don't think she is the nicest person, but I do like the music. Black Dove In a message dated 4/30/01 7:32:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: << Lol I'm not offended but am I the only person on this list who really likes Hole? It's funny cuz I just ordered like three imports from work lol... I can understand why someone would hate her but i've been a big fan since '94...lol Of course she very much pales in comparison to Poe but stilll:) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:42:47 EDT From: StarGazerLily429@aol.com Subject: Re: More conspiracy hey the cruel intentions connection with WB. well sarah michelle geller (buffy) josh jackson (DC) and the girl who plays ayna in buffy were all in there haha... just thought i'd add to the conspiracy sarah katherine if you change your mind i'll be waiting on you If you need somebody to be your fool I will be there for you If you change your mind ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:43:12 EDT From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: To Poe, please read OK, everyone is arguing about this whole video thing. I would really like to hear what Poe has to say about it. I know she reads these from time to time, and I'd just like to see how she feels. Poe, if you're reading this, think you can e-mail the list or e-mail someone who will post it for you, what your thoughts on the video are? Did you have much say? Did you resist at all? Or were you all for it? Does it work for you, or do you hate it? I'm really curious, because several people on the list seem to be trying to speak for you. They may be right, but we don't really know unless you say so. I hope's she's reading this, and I hope she answers in some way. I'm really very intrigued, and I am sure the rest of you, whether you hate or love the video, are as well. Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:57:00 -0400 From: "Stuart Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: To Poe, please read What are the odds she's going to diss her own video on the list where Atlantic management could presumably read it? What's the sense of that, and what purpose would it serve? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:43 PM Subject: To Poe, please read > > OK, everyone is arguing about this whole video thing. I would really like to > hear what Poe has to say about it. I know she reads these from time to time, > and I'd just like to see how she feels. > Poe, if you're reading this, think you can e-mail the list or e-mail someone > who will post it for you, what your thoughts on the video are? Did you have > much say? Did you resist at all? Or were you all for it? Does it work for > you, or do you hate it? > I'm really curious, because several people on the list seem to be trying to > speak for you. They may be right, but we don't really know unless you say so. > I hope's she's reading this, and I hope she answers in some way. I'm really > very intrigued, and I am sure the rest of you, whether you hate or love the > video, are as well. > Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:00:06 EDT From: StarGazerLily429@aol.com Subject: Re: POE in My Car. (PA APs!) hey i'm a PA AP fzanya!!!! i didnt know you were too. we soo rule. we should have an AP meeting! sarah katherine if you change your mind i'll be waiting on you If you need somebody to be your fool I will be there for you If you change your mind ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:09:33 -0700 From: "the lemon queen" Subject: Re: hey pretty video recap just a teensy bit sexist hmm? >I'm sure a guy did... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:13:39 -0400 From: "Notajunkie" Subject: RE: hey pretty video recap I agree that there are plenty of those videos out there..and there are worse ones, but that isn't an excuse. It should be a reason to make things better...one should try to lead and inspire change, not just "go with the flow" Those that are saying that the video may have a meaning to Mark or Poe have to realize how music videos are made. It's all the director's choice on what goes into the video...The artist RARELY have any say in what goes on in the video. Unless the artist is DIY (Do It Yourself) the record company takes it upon itself all the creative decisions in the marketing of an album, a music video is basically nothing but a commercial. I'd be very surprised if they got any say in the final product...This is at least how it usually works in the industry...Their are some exceptions, but usually the artist records and is then a slave to the record company... I would like to hear it from Poe's mouth herself what she thinks about it (away from the censoring eyes and ears of Atlantic Records) If she likes it, and had a say in it, I'll bite my tounge and eat my words. For now I say: "POE, the sooner you can get away from the one thing that is holding you back and destroying your image (Atlantic) the sooner you can explode and become famous on your own grounds. Don't degrade your body and follow the 'trends' in music, (i.e. T&A) go back to selling yourself through your music. Turn people on through your voice." P.S. If you can't tell by now, I hate conglomerate record companies. They are the killers of creative expression. They only care about the all mighty $...Think about it, how much backing did they put behind Poe until they saw that they could make a lot of money off the new album? (hardly nothing) Mark my words, if her next album doesn't sell as much (I hope this doesn't happen) Atlantic will try to drop her like a ton of bricks. Anyone else wants to discuss, feel free to AOL IM me: Notajunkie Always with love for Poe and all the APs. "Overwhelmed with a deep repulsion for sights seen so commonly, now I have come to be a walking enmity, for humanity, the human blasphemy, I'll end the world tonight." --AFI "Smile" - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of monkeygrrl _ Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:29 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: RE: hey pretty video recap >"Hey Pretty" video haters unite! before poe or her record label hears that *everyone*, incl. the ap's, hated the video, let me stick a pro vote in there. i was diggin' the video, no matter how silly, degrading, or nonsensical some find it to be. (i certainly respect the hey pretty haters opinion,but i don't share it.) maybe it does have some specific meaning to poe & mark, but even if it doesn't, is that necessarily wrong? look at all the videos that mtv plays nonstop all the freakin' time - do any of them make a lot of sense? how exactly does britney's red catsuit factor into the song? how 'bout dogs chasing those n*sync boys? or miss gagulara in ANY of her videos(flames welcome on this one!)? and the thongs all over sisqo's...uh, nevermind on that one... anyway - bottom line, i thought the video was just good fun and a little sumpin' sumpin' to feast your eyes upon. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:23:04 -0700 From: "the lemon queen" Subject: Re: To Clear Up Hey Pretty Video the girl was a bit of a harlot and quite bloody intelligent. i thought the video was dead amusing. for some reason none of the bouncy balls in target have the poe symbol on them. *tear* - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:05 PM Subject: To Clear Up Hey Pretty Video > > I know this is about a week or so after many expressed confussion about the > Hey Pretty Video. If someone has already cleard it up sorry for the repeat. > > If you don't get the Hey Pretty Video, read the book. > > The song is about the part in House of Leaves where Johny and some girl are > driving arround and doing Extacay. > > I think the video is perfect and I the version of Hey Pretty with Mark > reading out of his book is so powerfull to me. > > Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:35:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Kinosh Subject: NPR: Little help here I have a poetry project to do for my english class. I was hoping to be able to use "Strange Wind" as the poem I have to dissect, but I need the lyrics. So if anyone knows where I can find them please email me back. Thanks ===== Peace out Y'all - dedboy http://dedboy.diaryland.com http://homestead.juno.com/dedman5 Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:46:53 EDT From: Trueluhv2000@aol.com Subject: Re: hey pretty video recap In a message dated 4/30/01 8:07:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jandymo@hotmail.com writes: > or miss gagulara in ANY of her videos hahahahaha, lamo..thats really funny!I i dontreally have any comments on poes video I havent' seen it..but I think all these comments speak loudly..i still would like to look at it though :) luhv~n~stuff carri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:47:51 -0400 From: "Stephen van Vuuren" Subject: RE: To Poe, please read >And if the Drive by Mix and the video help convince people to give this album a chance, then they've done >the job their designed to do. Do they represent the album as well as I'd >like? No. Have they helped garner publicity and new listeners? Yes. Has >that helped get her on the tour with Depeche Mode? Almost certainly. Okay - valid point and good post. I was the original complainer (on this list) but I'm willing to see this side of it. Kate Bush was also marketed as a sex symbol by EMI early in career. It persuaded me (I was a teen at the time) to buy my first Kate album. I've been a devoted lifetime fan every since. But the key is the Kate used her success to get complete control over her work and image. So have other artists. It's not easy and you can't always do it perfectly, but we hope Poe achieve that kind of independence. It's only her second album and I look forward to many more. stephen www.xiveren.com "It can only be attributable to human error" - -HAL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:53:58 EDT From: Trueluhv2000@aol.com Subject: NPR:stella (sister) soliel I just saw her video!!! She looks soooo different from when I saw her just like 4 years ago! Does anyone know why she went to stella instead of sister? Im not a huge fan of hers..but that rocked and I plan on finding the cd! luhv~n~stuff Carri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:03:07 -0500 From: "Bad Bender" Subject: Re: NPR C Love - I like Hole We all know Courtney killed her husband! (just joking, calm down, no need to comment) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 00:24:45 EDT From: JustSpiffy@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR:stella (sister) soliel <> Yeah, Sister was mostly her project, but she had a lot of other people working on it with her. This new thing is pretty much all her, and it;s different from the Sister Soleil sound (So i heard) and she wanted to give it a different name.... She looks the same to me. She;s trying to get away fromt he quirky/cutesy look (with the braisds and pigtails) from the sister days i think.... Aoibhinn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 00:31:44 EDT From: Sharonda220@aol.com Subject: the poe vid ok. the hey pretty video was like. i don't know. i didn't really care for it but i didn't hate it either. i don't really get to watch much TV anymore so i try to catch what i can online.... but ... i always kind of play my own music video in my head for most songs...especially ones that are emotional/special to me.... so it just didn't match my brain video...so i think i'll stick with that and skips MTV's version :) -shari P.S. i'm really excited because i get to go to prom next week!!! i graduated in 99 but i don't care. i got a poofy dress and i get to dance all night with my best friends (my best friend is still a senior) ....is anyone else going to prom? what are you wearing? what are you doing afterwards? (sorry. with my job. i gotta be excited about something) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 00:59:06 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: video=budget work In a message dated 4/30/2001 8:39:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sparrkle_goddess@hotmail.com writes: > I think that the video is bad b/c it was a budget job. THey obviously had a > single set and did what they could with it > What's with all this "the video sucks" crap. It does not suck. It seems that some people have a problem with the mud wrestling. I still think it is obvious that it has everything to do with precisely what Johnny Truant is being invited into in that section of the book and also reflects the song, even without the book, very well...even if it might be considered a bit garish in places...it is supposed to be sleazy. Set aside yer qualms and try to consider what art value, if any, it might have before you write it off as an industry weasel ploy of some kind. Don't you think it gives the girl "character" from HOL a decidedly jaded quality. Think about it. She is cheating on her long-time main guy and taking Johnny for a wild ride and a wild f**k on Mulholland Drive in L.A...with no compunctions or second thoughts about it. Mulholland is so infamous a make-out locale in L.A. that there used to be a joke: "Did you hear they are going to rename Mulholland Drive after a famous local TV personality? Yeah, Dick Lane." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 01:00:05 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: (no subject) In a message dated 4/30/2001 8:39:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JESSE69356@aol.com writes: > (6) Any other interesting information you wish to share. Um...I don't guess > so,I'm not right in the head,but that's about all. > Hahahaha...welcome home, Psycho:-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 01:13:39 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR C Love - I like Hole In a message dated 4/30/2001 11:14:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dracovixen@aol.com writes: > I like most of Hole's music. I think it is good for those times that you > just > ************************************* I like L7 a lot better for that sort of thing. ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #167 ***********************************