From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #160 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Thursday, April 26 2001 Volume 06 : Number 160 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MZD wins!!!! - Hey Mark, Lend me 10 bucks! ["Dean Morrison (PolishChick] Re: MTV is anticapitalist!!! ["Brandon Wilson" ] NPR: Re: Dream Concert ["Debian Linux" ] Re: NPR: Dream Concert (Summer-long Festival!!) ["Anfrey Cheng" ] Re: Chapter 4-5 Echoes,Mythology ["Debian Linux" ] early Poe Interview (enough about MOD already) [VR5SBloom@aol.com] RE: Book list - Coming of age [Dax ] RE: Book list - Coming of age [Sandra Guzman ] me me me me me [Faeriedyke@aol.com] BILLBOARD [littleraisingirl ] Atlantic press release for summer tours [VR5SBloom@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:36:26 -0400 From: "Dean Morrison (PolishChick.com)" Subject: MZD wins!!!! - Hey Mark, Lend me 10 bucks! Aint this the coolest?.... How cool are the danielewskis? New York, April 24, 2001 -- In a ceremony held at The New York Public Library last evening, Library President Paul LeClerc announced that author Mark Z. Danielewski is the winner of the first Young Lions Fiction Award for his novel, House of Leaves (Pantheon Books). The $10,000 prize honors a novel or collection of short stories published within the calendar year by an American author age 35 or younger. The award was established by the Young Lions, a membership group for supporters of the Library in their 20s and 30s. The prize was spearheaded by committee members Rick Moody, Ethan Hawke, and Jennifer Rudolph Walsh, and will be awarded each spring........ Read the full story here.... http://www.nypl.org/press/ylwinner.html Listen to the Diva here... (Thanks for the tip Jessie) http://www.kdge.com/index.html Dean "Lend me 10 bucks" Morrison www.polishchick.com bcc: Jessie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:13:24 -0500 From: "Brandon Wilson" Subject: Re: MTV is anticapitalist!!! No, your right, they took the damn thing off. WTF mtv!? They must feel threatend by our 3|3T3 r3Q|_|3zt abilities. I mean usualy mtv is flooded by tons of little smack ass teenage bitchs looking to request that song by brittany spearz that "OMG I JUST LOVE TO DEATH SHE IS SO COOL I WANNA HEAR THE SONG! OMG AM I ON TRL??!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" *SMACK* STFU!!!! And now here we are requesting something that isn't commercialized bullshit being shoved down the throats of pre-prebesent bitchs.. they just don't know how to handle that, I bet we even made them go into a staff meeting. Yup, I can see it now.. ... Copier paper fling everywhere, people running around like lab rats on crack, power surges and sags. The entire building in chaos. "We're being overloaded with requests for decent music, WHAT DO WE DO!?!?!" Okay sorry, I get a little carried away sometimes. Anyway, yeah it was on there a few days ago and it isn't now. Odd huh? Brandon. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marnell, Christina Marie" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: PR: MTV is anticapitalist!!! > > by the way, on the trl request page i cannot find the other button to click > a dot on!!! am i going crazy or is anyone else think mtv is trying to trick > people? > marnell =) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:29:29 From: "Debian Linux" Subject: NPR: Re: Dream Concert I don't normally post to such off topic threads, but this one I couldn't resist... Led Zeppelin (lifelong dream) KISS (have seen them, literally the best SHOW on earth, period, no contest) Morphine (have seen before) Kraftwerk Portishead Buffalo Springfield The Rolling Stones (pre-80's) The Doors Ben Harper Bela Fleck Bob Marley and the Wailers (how many people do I get to bring to my festival??) The Orb (have seen before) The Prodigy (have seen before) Beastie Boys (Have seen before) Poe (have seen before) (actually put her on the list because just being on this tour would give her monumental exposure) This is an unfair thread :) because there is no way in hell I could put all the bands together, it would be like a month long concert. oh, yeah, Phish with Dave Matthews would be badass too. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:55:41 -0500 From: "Anfrey Cheng" Subject: Re: NPR: Dream Concert (Summer-long Festival!!) > This is an unfair thread :) because there is no way in hell I could put all > the bands together, it would be like a month long concert. oh, yeah, Phish > with Dave Matthews would be badass too. yes, definately PHISH! :) those four guys (not to mention the kick ass crew) definately put on a great show. my favourites shows really... it's not often that one gets to truly feel free. oooh btw, the pre-sale for trey's summer tour starts today at 12:00pm est and ends on monday at the same time. details at www.phish.com for you fellow heads out there (if any). gotta love going on tour :D *waves arms* "the tires are the things. . ." some performers i'd like to see at a summer-long festival would be: + jones (yes, the drummer, now guitarist) + oysterhead + pork tornado + jazz mandolin project + col. bruce hampton + string cheese incident + disco biscuits + rich hardesty + paul oakenfold + seb fontaine + orbital + sun-ra and his solar arkestra (no longer together, as far as i know) + phil lesh + bela fleck and the flecktones (victor wooten!) + black eyed peas + screeching weasel + vice squad (long defunct) + space cat (love the music, would probably be a great show) + reel big fish hmm, maybe i should've somewhat organized my list. oh well. hey everyone, how about some dream setlists for poe shows?? peace, anfrey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:00:06 -0500 From: Michaela Drapes Subject: RE: Book list Hrm. Well, I haven't read "The Perks of Being a Wallflower", "Youth in Revolt", and "Revolting Youth", but I've heard mixed things about all three -- some people really like them, and identify with the characters, others don't. That's the problem with the young adult coming-of-age novel. On a related note, I've not been much impressed with any of the MTV Press books. They're trying too damn hard, I think. I tried to read "She's Come Undone," and found it to be one of the most poorly written, sappy, trite books I've ever clapped eyes on, but that's just me. Some other good titles I shove into the coming-of-age category: "Rats Saw God" by Rob Thomas any/all by Francesca Lia Block the previously mentioned "The Basic Eight" by Daniel Handler "The Mysteries of Pittsburgh" by Michael Chabon Thisbe Nissen's short story collection "Out of the Girls' Room and Into The Night" anything by Jonathan Lethem, but specifically "Girl in Landscape" and "Motherless Brooklyn" "A Trip to the Stars" by Nicholas Christopher if you're really into the whole book-as-journal thing and are a UK freak, you might like The Adrian Mole Diaries by Sue Townsend "City of Night" by John Rechy must get to work now, mrd - -----Original Message----- From: SweetJessiMay@aol.com [mailto:SweetJessiMay@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 5:22 PM To: WardWorthy1@aol.com; mdrapes@hoovers.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: NPR: Book list my friends and I were going over some books that we think are good, i was wondering if anyone has some good suggestions we have The perks of being a wallflower Youth in Revolt Revolting Youth She's come undone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:23:01 From: "Debian Linux" Subject: Re: Chapter 4-5 Echoes,Mythology This was in response to a personal reply but I felt the List as a whole might like to see this, I'm sure I'll get flamed or trashed or something, but I did originally repond to the list and therefore the list deserves my explanation... Let me get my book, let's all keep in mind that we are TOTALLY different people with different experiences, beliefs,etc. What I interpret you will see differently, what Mark meant may have nothing to do with our own personal interpretations, that is the beuty of Art... ok, first off, keep in mind that I do subscribe to the theory that if there is a "god" then we are all "part" of him and therefore are just different representations of the same whole. very much the same concept of saying that a passage in a book can be interpreted in as many different ways as there are people to interpret it. Which, in my view, makes no-one right or wrong. Even if Mark himself told me what the passage means I would still retain my intepretation, thereby holding two viewpoints on the same passage. roughly, here's how I put together my interpretation... all of this comes from chapter 4. I hope that you get the obvious concept iterated in this chapter that a person can still "see" a space by "feeling" it with the other senses excluding sight. So goes the whole echo-location explanation. Remember, Zampano was blind. That is literal. (not to delve further into any symbolism by the fact that Zampano is blind, I feel that Zampano represents Mark by the way) The figurative, symbolic part of this, to me, is the concept of "faith". Believing in without seeing. Just "feeling" with the heart. You've got to be wondering how the fuck I'm relating all this to "religion"... well, first off, Mark goes about explaining how the very word "echo" is a mythological entity. As anyone knows, mythological entities are repesentations of real-world concepts. Hades=hell, punishment Zeus=god Aphrodite=love all these are very very limited in respect to their full stories I know. anyway, he explains that echo, the character, had different meanings. one of the more prominent being that she married Narcissus (Narcism being self-involved,centered) and therefore only repeated what he said. Imagine repeating everything a narcisitic person says. Back to my theory that we are all god (roughly), what would you say singing hymns in church represents? hmm, almost all hymns are great praises to god, whom by my theory, is myself. Mark says, "Delay and fragmented repetition create a sense of another inhabiting a necessarily deserted place". more quotes... "Divinty seems defined by echo" and the big one.. the really big clincher on why I interpret it this way, since it mirrors my own beliefs... "Why did God create a dual universe? So he might say, "Be not like me. I am alone." And it might be heard" Even Mark goes further to point out that there are grammatical cues in that quote. Notice that the word "heard". Read that chapter agin... :). anyway, the way I see it is I may be totally wrong in my interpetation but at least I made sense out of the chapter versus just being totally confused by it. I'd be more than happy to hear alternative interpretations. Also, this particular interpreation is narrow, I've yet to get much further in the book (chapter 7) and therefore have failed to find the relevance of this chapter to the book as a whole and it must be important because at the beginning of the chapter Mark says, "It is impossible to appreciate the importance of space in the Navidson Record without first taking into account the significance of echoes". From: WardWorthy1@aol.com To: debianlinux@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Chapter 4-5 Echoes,Mythology Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:25:42 EDT I missed all that... I must be kind of dumb, but... I do have to ask. How the hell did you get that connection? What did I miss.. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:29:49 -0700 From: "Robert A Darke" Subject: Re: PR: Altruistic ways? Maybe... Yeah, "Control" definately did a lot for me when my 'partner' of 3 1/2 years left me. So did "Wild," that whole "You left me here / I go wild / cuz your promises are broken"... ah, I could go on, but we'll just say the whole song. 8-) Anyway, I never did elaborate on what Poe means to me. Basically, Haunted is the ultimate album ever. Out of the 1400 cds I own, Haunted is by far the best. Every song touches some aspect of my life. "If You Were Here" makes me think of my grandpa (who raised me basically), who passed away while I was still just a 'punk kid' who got kicked out of high school, etc. So, he never had a chance to see what a 'fine upstanding citizen' I've become. So, "I know you'd truly be amazed at what become of what you made," etc. Chills I tell ya. "Haunted" has been in my car cd player since it came out at least 75% of the time. And once I start it, I can't stop listening until I go through the whole cd. 8-) So, that's my Poe rant. LOVE POE!! From: EMOKidsSmell@aol.com@smoe.org on 04/24/2001 11:39 PM EDT Sent by: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org To: angry-psychos@smoe.org cc: Subject: PR: Altruistic ways? Maybe... Soooooooooooooo Tonight I gave away my copy of Haunted to a girl who I think has a lot of potential as far as being a POE fan goes. She's going through her first break up and she's 20 years old. I played "Control" for her (the song that got me through my break up with my boyfriend of two years aka high school sweetheat) and she loved it. She had a long drive ahead of her to her new home so I just gave it to her. I feel redeemed somehow for some wrong doing I'm sure I've done in the past. Just thought I'd share...Now I'm out of a POE cd till Friday. Oh well, it was worth it. Megan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:39:53 EDT From: JustSpiffy@aol.com Subject: NPR: Book list - Coming of age There's a real name for this genre of fiction.. its german though and i don't really remember it :-) BUT you forget the quintessential Coming-of-Age novel, Catcher In the Rye - JD Salinger I know some people love this book and others hate it, but if you havn't read it, you really should. Aoibhinn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:07:23 EDT From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: MZD wins!!!! - Hey Mark, Lend me 10 bucks! I'm so proud of Mark! He so richly deserves this honor! (Note to self: Try to get a figure on how much an autographed copy of "HOL" is going these days. Mamma's got bills to pay, dammit.) = ) KORi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:11:33 EDT From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: PSA: Get an @poe.org address! I haven't seen many @poe.org addresses flaunted lately...so here's how to get one! Just go to http://poe.org/email/ If that doesn't work, use http://poe.org/email/index3.html An @poe.org address isn't a brand new mail account, just a redirect. It will forward any mail you get to your current address. Change your e-mail address in your mail program to show it off, but don't change the POP settings that you have. Unfortunately, AOLers don't have the option, but you can put the address in your signature. Side note: for months mail from Hotmail to poe.org wasn't working...I tried it this morning and now it looks like everything's OK ::) - --Michele (shell@poe.org) This message was brought to you by ShellE Productions. Open for trades! http://trade.shelle.org/ Got promos, bootlegs, or MP3s of your favorite artist? Feel guilty? Give 'em a tip at http://www.fairtunes.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:29:26 -0700 From: "Joel Schwartz" Subject: RE: Book list - Coming of age Hey all, how do I get on the WCAP list? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:39:40 EDT From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: early Poe Interview (enough about MOD already) There is a very old Poe interview that's amazingly still around... http://desires.com/2.1/Music/Poe/Docs/p1.html where Poe talks about lots of things, MOD included. For those of you who noticed Mercedes Ruehl on MZD's HOL CDs, Poe also explains their connection to her. There's also multimedia clips, don't know if they still work, but back in the day they took forever to download ;) Poe: "Cin-a-Buns [sic]. I sometimes plan my whole day around getting to the Beverly Center Mall to get a Cin-a-Bun." Mmmm...wonder if Poe likes Krispy Kreme... - --Michele Open for trades! http://trade.shelle.org/ Got promos, bootlegs, or MP3s of your favorite artist? Feel guilty? Give 'em a tip at http://www.fairtunes.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:46:20 -0700 From: Dax Subject: RE: Book list - Coming of age Well first we'll need blood samples. - -----Original Message----- From: Joel Schwartz [mailto:cthulhu9@ucla.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 12:29 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: RE: Book list - Coming of age Hey all, how do I get on the WCAP list? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:55:00 -0400 From: Sandra Guzman Subject: RE: Book list - Coming of age WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WCAP...MEET AND GREET???? Does ANYBODY KNOW???? i am curious *scratching my head* Sandra-D POE RUUUUUU-UUUUUUUUUULES! - -----Original Message----- From: Joel Schwartz [mailto:cthulhu9@ucla.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 12:29 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: RE: Book list - Coming of age Hey all, how do I get on the WCAP list? Joel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:58:30 EDT From: Faeriedyke@aol.com Subject: me me me me me (1) Who you are? jaimy lynne (2) Where you're from?,from dayton ohio....living in atlanta now (3) How old you are?, 20 (4) Where you first heard Poe?,in '97 i got one of those 10 cds for a penny thingys....i had 9 chosen and i just HAPPENED to choose poe's Hello for the tenth....i fell in love and bought Haunted the day it came out ...not i have a thing for her brothers new book (5) What other musicians do you listen to? ani difranco, tori amos, stained, jennifer nettles...lots of chicks and angry man music...excluding eminem (6) Any other interesting information you wish to share. i am a beautiful lesbian... with a beautiful wife.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:01:58 -0400 From: littleraisingirl Subject: BILLBOARD Poe is #17 with "Hey Pretty" on the modern rock chart. GO POE!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:43:40 EDT From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: Atlantic press release for summer tours Finally, an official news item from Atlantic that mentions Poe touring with Depeche Mode. http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010423/2995.html I don't know how long that link will be valid. The article mentions Tori touring in late summer. Since they're on the same label, maybe Poe could open for her after the Depeche Mode shows? I'd still rather see Poe with Garbage though. - --Michele Open for trades! http://trade.shelle.org/ Got promos, bootlegs, or MP3s of your favorite artist? Feel guilty? Give 'em a tip at http://www.fairtunes.com/ ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #160 ***********************************