From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #77 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Sunday, February 25 2001 Volume 06 : Number 077 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MILitary issues [Derek Friess ] Re: NPR: movies to see [GloryBox84@aol.com] Re: Perfect Circle/SRC [Oasage@aol.com] NPR: Re: Perfect Circle/SRC ["meghan" ] NPR: movies to see ["Jess" ] NPR!!! NPR!!! NPR: movies to see [GloryBox84@aol.com] Re: Re: Perfect Circle/SRC ["Sarae Montgomery" ] RE: NPR: movies to see (Virgin Suicides) ["Cygnus" ] NPR: Re: Re: Perfect Circle/SRC ["meghan" ] NPR: Our boys and girls in service [Kimberly Davis ] Re: Our boys and girls in service ["Anthony Bender" ] RE: Our boys and girls in service ["Marshall Pierce" ] Re: Fans of Liquid Television ["Anthony Bender" ] Re: Movies to see (NPR) ["Timberwolf Moonlight" ] Re: Movies to see (NPR) [Iamtheher4u@aol.com] NPR: Watch this movie [Davey08@aol.com] Re: NPR: NPR and cleaning up your messages [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: Our boys and girls in service ["aaron spink" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 11:35:07 -0800 (PST) From: Derek Friess Subject: MILitary issues I have a best friend in the military, and my granfather was a veteran of WWII and still feel that military spending is sometimes overdone. You talk about aircraft that are "too old" what are they 30 years old. How about our 100 and greater year old schools. Those new planees are more important than that. "It will be a great day when schools recieve billions of dollars for materials, and the military has to hold a bake sale for guns." (Unknown) "pro-veteran anti-war" Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:48:50 EST From: GloryBox84@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: movies to see In a message dated 2/25/2001 1:01:15 PM Central Standard Time, StarGazerLily429@aol.com writes: > I love Ewan, but I swear...Sometimes he can look really, really...disgusting. One thing that I read about that movie and something worth observing was that American actors seem uncomfortable even while "in character" and playing gay/bisexual men. After a shoot they act "extra manly" to make up for it. Ewan's performance may be considerable justification that maybe a lot of American actors have more trouble getting completely into a character without fear of people questioning how they "really are". He really lets go of himself to become another person entirely. - - --Kim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:54:11 EST From: Oasage@aol.com Subject: Re: Perfect Circle/SRC i was fortunate enough to see APC on feb. 13. the day before valentine's day. it was pretty awesome. but maynard kept turning his back to us. i had never seen them, or tool, in concert before so i don't know if he usually does this or not. also, he said he wasn't feeling well and that the flash from some cameras were bothering him. as soon as he said that, a flash went off. maybe this pissed maynard off so much that he didn't want anymore pictures taken of him anymore. just a thought. but it was a good concert all in all. they opened with renholder/thinking of you, and then when they played 3 libras, they played the remix version of it first. i believe it was the all main courses mix, then went into the original 3 libras version. and they finished the show with the hollow. very good effort by APC and i hope to see them again soon... hope you guys have fun when you see them! bye.. - -reg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:02:48 -0500 From: "meghan" Subject: NPR: Re: Perfect Circle/SRC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarae Montgomery" To: "AP" Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: Re: Perfect Circle/SRC > > i was supposed to go see them march 23rd in chicago.. but that plan fell > through. I'm still hoping to see them on the 16th in louisville... anyone > going? > > my first concert was The Cure back in june or july... that's the only > concert i've ever been to. I live a boring life > -s Heh... I saw The Cure for the first time on that tour. I wish I had been able to see them in the 80's, but I'm just too damn young. I liked their music a lot even then. My sister saw them a few times in the 80's, along with David Bowie. Jealousy. Sigh. I should have been born earlier... heh... Oh, did Fat Bob do one of those three hour long sets plus three encores at the show you went to? APC did a really neat Cure medley when I saw them with NIN. It was great. I've got it on mp3 if you want it. Just catch me in #poe and I'll send it to you. :) M. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:09:45 -0600 From: "Jess" Subject: NPR: movies to see Some movies I Really liked: Dazed and Confused Shawshank Redemption (spelling?) City of Angels (this movie made me cry the first time I saw it and I NEVER cry from movies) Detriot Rock City Drop Dead Fred Half Baked Heavy Metal The Labryinth The Crow Frequency (I know it's kinda new but I thought it was a really good movie when I saw it in the theaters) Scrooge (the one with bill murray in it) Immortal Beloved I love all old disney movies especially Fantasia and Lady and the Tramp :) can't really think of any others that I thought were really good for the moment Has anyone ever seen a movie called Wizards? It's a cartoon about the future and the evil wizard uses images of Hitler to scare the other side. It was one of the weirdest movies I've ever seen. I had seen it before in the middle of the night several years ago but had no idea what it was called but I recently saw it on the SciFi channel a couple months ago. Also has everyone else heard they're gonna be making Lord of the Rings into a movie? The ruin every good book but I guess I won't really judge it til I see it but I have a feeling there's no way they could do those books justice. Jessica ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:20:56 EST From: GloryBox84@aol.com Subject: NPR!!! NPR!!! NPR: movies to see Peggy Sue Got Married For Keeps The Goonies Stand by Me Can't Buy Me Love Some Girls The Outsiders Fried Green Tomatoes In a message dated 2/25/2001 1:01:15 PM Central Standard Time, StarGazerLily429@aol.com writes: > ********************************************************************** > Matrix > ALL kevin smith > empire records > hackers > *the virgin suicides* (has anyone seen that) > the velvet goldmine > subUrbia > american beauty > SLC punk > grosse point blank > high fidelity ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:18:41 -0500 From: "Sarae Montgomery" Subject: Re: Re: Perfect Circle/SRC yup, it was one of the extra-long shows with no openers i refuse to call him fat bob now that he's actually getting fat.. he's pudgybob now ;) i loved the show and the lighting and the atmosphere... ah *wistful sigh* - -s *Madness is the channel by which we receive the greatest blessings* - Socrates - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sarae Montgomery Sarmnstr@earthlink.net Sarae@velvet.net aim / icq Sarae135 / 531038 We're All Mad Here! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- Original Message ----- From: meghan To: AP Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: NPR: Re: Perfect Circle/SRC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sarae Montgomery" > To: "AP" > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: Perfect Circle/SRC > > > > > > i was supposed to go see them march 23rd in chicago.. but that plan fell > > through. I'm still hoping to see them on the 16th in louisville... anyone > > going? > > > > my first concert was The Cure back in june or july... that's the only > > concert i've ever been to. I live a boring life > > -s > > Heh... I saw The Cure for the first time on that tour. I wish I had been > able to see them in the 80's, but I'm just too damn young. I liked their > music a lot even then. My sister saw them a few times in the 80's, along > with David Bowie. Jealousy. Sigh. I should have been born earlier... heh... > Oh, did Fat Bob do one of those three hour long sets plus three encores at > the show you went to? APC did a really neat Cure medley when I saw them with > NIN. It was great. I've got it on mp3 if you want it. Just catch me in #poe > and I'll send it to you. :) > > M. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:28:59 -0500 From: "Cygnus" Subject: RE: NPR: movies to see (Virgin Suicides) The Virgin Suicides is worth checking out. It is a VERY good movie! Directed by Francis Ford Copola's daughter... -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org] On Behalf Of StarGazerLily429@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 1:43 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: re: NPR: movies to see here are mine: ********************************************************************** Matrix ALL kevin smith empire records hackers *the virgin suicides* (has anyone seen that) the velvet goldmine subUrbia american beauty SLC punk grosse point blank high fidelity rocky horror lots more, but thats what comes to mind.. sarah katherine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:37:56 -0500 From: "meghan" Subject: NPR: Re: Re: Perfect Circle/SRC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarae Montgomery" To: "AP" Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: Re: Re: Perfect Circle/SRC > yup, it was one of the extra-long shows with no openers > > i refuse to call him fat bob now that he's actually getting fat.. he's > pudgybob now ;) > > i loved the show and the lighting and the atmosphere... ah *wistful sigh* > -s Heh.... pudgy bob. Cute. :) I may steal that. The atmosphere at the show I saw was interesting. It was at Fiddler's Green in Englewood, CO and since Fiddler's Green is right smack in the middle of a residential area, there are noise ordinances. Weirdness. Oh, and the frat boys and their sorority girl bitches smoking pot (not that I mind that, but they were being stupid about it) in front of me were irritating me. Oh, and the woman and her husband with the newborn baby... the woman kept complaining and giving me dirty looks because I was smoking in an open area. It was her fault for bringing a baby, though. You don't bring your kids to concerts. The baby wouldn't stop crying, either. I hate kids. Sigh. And everything was so damn overpriced it wasn't funny. $40 for a short sleeved tshirt? Yeesh. I bought one anyway, but man... what a rip off. Sigh. Ah well. Enough reminiscing. :P M. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:18:11 -0700 From: Kimberly Davis Subject: NPR: Our boys and girls in service OK, I'm not in the service, but the majority of my family has served and so does my fianci. I was absolutely appalled to hear about the "bloated" budget. Not flaming anyone but thought I would share this to put things into a better perspective. Subject: An Articulate Airman responds On 12 Jan, Ms Cindy Williams wrote a piece for the Washington Times denouncing the pay raise(s) coming service members' way this year- citing that the stated 13% wage gap was bogus. A young airman from Hill AFB responds to her article below. He ought to get a bonus for this! Ms. Williams: I just had the pleasure of reading your column of 12 Jan 00, "Our GIs earn enough," and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where this vaunted overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it disappears every month between DFAS (The Defense Finance and Accounting Service) and my bank account. Checking my latest leave and earnings statement (LES), I see that I make $1,117.80, before taxes. After taxes, I take home $874.20. When I run that through Windows' Calculator, I come up with an annual salary of $13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40 after. I work in the Air Force Network Control Center (AFNCC), where I am part of the team responsible for the administration of a 25,000 host computer network. I am involved with infrastructure segments, specifically with Cisco Systems equipment. A quick check under jobs for Network Technicians in the Washington, D.C. area reveals a position in my career field, requiring three years experience with my job. Amazingly, this job does NOT pay $13,413.60 a year, nor does it pay less than this. No, this job is being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum. I'm sure you can draw the obvious conclusions. Also, you tout increases to Basic Allowance for Housing and Basic Allowance for Subsistence (housing and food allowances, respectively) as being a further boon to an already over-compensated force. Again, I'm curious as to where this money has gone, as BAH and BAS were both slashed 15% in the Hill AFB area effective in January 00. Given the tenor of your column, I would assume that you have NEVER had the pleasure of serving your country in her armed forces. Before you take it upon yourself to once more castigate congressional and DOD leadership for attempting to get the families in the military's lowest pay brackets off AFDC, WIC, and food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying soldiers headed for Saudi- I leave the choice of service branch up to you. Whatever choice you make, though, opt for the SIX month rotation: it will guarantee you the longest possible time away from your family and friends, thus giving you the full "deployment experience." As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure to note the spouses and children who are saying good-bye to their loved ones. Also take care to note that several families are still unsure of how they'll be able to make ends meet while the primary breadwinner is gone-obviously they've been squandering the vast piles of cash the DoD has been giving them. Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving are perennial favorites. And when you're actually over there, sitting in a DFP (Defensive Fire Position, the modern-day foxhole), shivering against the cold desert night, and the flight sergeant tells you that there aren't enough people on shift to relieve you for chow, remember this: trade whatever MRE you manage to get for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add Tabasco to everything. Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won't nearly be long enough or often enough, but take what you can get and be thankful for it. You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree with most of the points you present in your op-ed piece. But, tomorrow from Sarajevo, I will defend to the death your right to say it. You see, I am an American fighting man, a guarantor of your First Amendment rights and every other right you cherish. On a daily basis, my brother and sister soldiers worldwide ensure that you and people like you can thumb your collective nose at us, all on a salary that is nothing short of pitiful and under conditions that would make most people cringe. We hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private sector because we can't offer the stability and pay of civilian companies. And you, Ms. Williams, have the gall to say that we make more than we deserve? Rubbish! A1C Michael Bragg Hill AFB AFNCC Now tell me again about this bloated budget. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:30:09 -0600 From: "Anthony Bender" Subject: Re: MILitary issues I wish I kept the week before lasts AirForce times magazine cause it had the author to the "unknown" quote. There was a article in the editorial section as well, written by a MSgt (ret.). It basically said that we have been giving schools billions of dollars and cutting back the budget of the mlitary, and look what they have done with it. You figure the AF alone has shrunk nearly 55% since Clinton took office while our work load is 10 times what it was before he was prez. This isn't about shcools vs anything. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Friess" To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 1:35 PM Subject: MILitary issues > > I have a best friend in the military, and my > granfather was a veteran of WWII and still feel that > military spending is sometimes overdone. You talk > about aircraft that are "too old" what are they 30 > years old. How about our 100 and greater year old > schools. Those new planees are more important than > that. "It will be a great day when schools recieve > billions of dollars for materials, and the military > has to hold a bake sale for guns." (Unknown) > "pro-veteran anti-war" > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:42:03 -0600 From: "Anthony Bender" Subject: Re: Our boys and girls in service I've seen that before as well, it's the truth. Does anyone have the letter/email by Sen./Rep. Hellen Chenowith (sp?), that put it good as well. I'm not flaming anyone just passing along not so common knowledge. Most people outside the military have no idea what we do or what it's like. They go off the movies, TV shows, radio programs or newspapers. If they only knew.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimberly Davis" To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: NPR: Our boys and girls in service > > OK, I'm not in the service, but the majority of my family has served and > so does my fianci. I was absolutely appalled to hear about the > "bloated" budget. Not flaming anyone but thought I would share this to > put things into a better perspective. > > Subject: An Articulate Airman responds > > On 12 Jan, Ms Cindy Williams wrote a piece for the Washington Times > denouncing the pay raise(s) coming service members' way this year- > citing that the stated 13% wage gap was bogus. A young airman from Hill > AFB responds to her article below. He ought to get a bonus for this! > > Ms. Williams: > I just had the pleasure of reading your column of 12 Jan 00, "Our > GIs earn enough," and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where > this > vaunted overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it > disappears > every month between DFAS (The Defense Finance and Accounting > Service) and my bank account. Checking my latest leave and earnings > statement > (LES), I see that I make $1,117.80, before taxes. After taxes, I take > home > $874.20. When I run that through Windows' Calculator, I come up with an > > annual salary of $13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40 after. I work > in the > Air Force Network Control Center (AFNCC), where I am part of the team > responsible for the administration of a 25,000 host computer network. > I am involved with infrastructure segments, specifically with Cisco > Systems equipment. A quick check under jobs for Network Technicians in > the > Washington, D.C. area reveals a position in my career field, requiring > three years experience with my job. Amazingly, this job does NOT > pay $13,413.60 a year, nor does it pay less than this. No, this job is > being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum. I'm sure you can draw > the > obvious conclusions. Also, you tout increases to Basic Allowance for > Housing and Basic Allowance for Subsistence (housing and food > allowances, > respectively) as being a further boon to an already over-compensated > force. > Again, I'm curious as to where this money has gone, as BAH and BAS were > both > slashed 15% in the Hill AFB area effective in January 00. Given the > tenor > of your column, I would assume that you have NEVER had the pleasure of > serving your country in her armed forces. Before you take it upon > yourself to > once more castigate congressional and DOD leadership for attempting to > get > the families in the military's lowest pay brackets off AFDC, WIC, and > food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying soldiers > headed for Saudi- I leave the choice of service branch up to you. > Whatever > choice you make, though, opt for the SIX month rotation: it will > guarantee you > the longest possible time away from your family and friends, thus > giving you the full "deployment experience." As your group prepares to > board > the plane, make sure to note the spouses and children who are saying > good-bye to their loved ones. Also take care to note that several > families > are still unsure of how they'll be able to make ends meet while the > primary breadwinner is gone-obviously they've been squandering the vast > > piles of cash the DoD has been giving them. Try to deploy over a major > holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving are perennial favorites. And when > you're > actually over there, sitting in a DFP (Defensive Fire Position, the > modern-day foxhole), shivering against the cold desert night, and > the flight sergeant tells you that there aren't enough people on shift > to relieve you for chow, remember this: trade whatever MRE you manage > to get for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add > Tabasco > to everything. > Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won't > nearly be long enough or often enough, but take what you can get and > be > thankful for it. You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree > with most of > the points you present in your op-ed piece. But, tomorrow from > Sarajevo, I will defend to the death your right to say it. You see, I am > > an > American fighting man, a guarantor of your First Amendment rights and > every > other right you cherish. On a daily basis, my brother and sister > soldiers > worldwide ensure that you and people like you can thumb your collective > > nose at us, all on a salary that is nothing short of pitiful and under > conditions that would make most people cringe. We hemorrhage our > best and brightest into the private sector because we can't offer the > stability and pay of civilian companies. And you, Ms. Williams, have > the gall to > say that we make more than we deserve? > > Rubbish! > A1C Michael Bragg > Hill AFB AFNCC > > Now tell me again about this bloated budget. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:51:16 -0800 (PST) From: FantomBeauty Subject: Re: Movies to see (NPR) Marshall, I definitely agree, "Drop Dead Gorgeous" was hilarious. Anyone out there seen "Swingers" though? I love that movie!!! Awesome!!! Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:01:46 -0500 From: "Marshall Pierce" Subject: RE: Our boys and girls in service First I have not served so I apologize to anyone up front that I offend. People in the military do not get apid enough, they take terrible risk, lifes are on the line. I am gratful that they defend my right to type such rubbish freely...It is stupid to debt this. really it is...God I'm glad I don't have to getup and run 5 miles a day with 50lbs on my back. No the budget is not bloated in the personel side, the pentagon needs to buy a copy of retail mag, an quicken though...Cause..DAMN those people are stoopid. They WASTE the money that should go where it is needed. If all the parties on this list want to gripe about something, take aim and fire at those losers. Marshall - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Anthony Bender Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 4:42 PM To: kimberlyjane79@yahoo.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: Our boys and girls in service I've seen that before as well, it's the truth. Does anyone have the letter/email by Sen./Rep. Hellen Chenowith (sp?), that put it good as well. I'm not flaming anyone just passing along not so common knowledge. Most people outside the military have no idea what we do or what it's like. They go off the movies, TV shows, radio programs or newspapers. If they only knew.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimberly Davis" To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: NPR: Our boys and girls in service > > OK, I'm not in the service, but the majority of my family has served and > so does my fianci. I was absolutely appalled to hear about the > "bloated" budget. Not flaming anyone but thought I would share this to > put things into a better perspective. > > Subject: An Articulate Airman responds > > On 12 Jan, Ms Cindy Williams wrote a piece for the Washington Times > denouncing the pay raise(s) coming service members' way this year- > citing that the stated 13% wage gap was bogus. A young airman from Hill > AFB responds to her article below. He ought to get a bonus for this! > > Ms. Williams: > I just had the pleasure of reading your column of 12 Jan 00, "Our > GIs earn enough," and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where > this > vaunted overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it > disappears > every month between DFAS (The Defense Finance and Accounting > Service) and my bank account. Checking my latest leave and earnings > statement > (LES), I see that I make $1,117.80, before taxes. After taxes, I take > home > $874.20. When I run that through Windows' Calculator, I come up with an > > annual salary of $13,413.60 before taxes, and $10,490.40 after. I work > in the > Air Force Network Control Center (AFNCC), where I am part of the team > responsible for the administration of a 25,000 host computer network. > I am involved with infrastructure segments, specifically with Cisco > Systems equipment. A quick check under jobs for Network Technicians in > the > Washington, D.C. area reveals a position in my career field, requiring > three years experience with my job. Amazingly, this job does NOT > pay $13,413.60 a year, nor does it pay less than this. No, this job is > being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per annum. I'm sure you can draw > the > obvious conclusions. Also, you tout increases to Basic Allowance for > Housing and Basic Allowance for Subsistence (housing and food > allowances, > respectively) as being a further boon to an already over-compensated > force. > Again, I'm curious as to where this money has gone, as BAH and BAS were > both > slashed 15% in the Hill AFB area effective in January 00. Given the > tenor > of your column, I would assume that you have NEVER had the pleasure of > serving your country in her armed forces. Before you take it upon > yourself to > once more castigate congressional and DOD leadership for attempting to > get > the families in the military's lowest pay brackets off AFDC, WIC, and > food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying soldiers > headed for Saudi- I leave the choice of service branch up to you. > Whatever > choice you make, though, opt for the SIX month rotation: it will > guarantee you > the longest possible time away from your family and friends, thus > giving you the full "deployment experience." As your group prepares to > board > the plane, make sure to note the spouses and children who are saying > good-bye to their loved ones. Also take care to note that several > families > are still unsure of how they'll be able to make ends meet while the > primary breadwinner is gone-obviously they've been squandering the vast > > piles of cash the DoD has been giving them. Try to deploy over a major > holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving are perennial favorites. And when > you're > actually over there, sitting in a DFP (Defensive Fire Position, the > modern-day foxhole), shivering against the cold desert night, and > the flight sergeant tells you that there aren't enough people on shift > to relieve you for chow, remember this: trade whatever MRE you manage > to get for the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add > Tabasco > to everything. > Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won't > nearly be long enough or often enough, but take what you can get and > be > thankful for it. You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree > with most of > the points you present in your op-ed piece. But, tomorrow from > Sarajevo, I will defend to the death your right to say it. You see, I am > > an > American fighting man, a guarantor of your First Amendment rights and > every > other right you cherish. On a daily basis, my brother and sister > soldiers > worldwide ensure that you and people like you can thumb your collective > > nose at us, all on a salary that is nothing short of pitiful and under > conditions that would make most people cringe. We hemorrhage our > best and brightest into the private sector because we can't offer the > stability and pay of civilian companies. And you, Ms. Williams, have > the gall to > say that we make more than we deserve? > > Rubbish! > A1C Michael Bragg > Hill AFB AFNCC > > Now tell me again about this bloated budget. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:01:37 EST From: GloryBox84@aol.com Subject: Fans of Liquid Television If you liked LTV, you have to check out the Short Series. Not all the short stories are animated, but they're intended for the kind of person that enjoyed LTV. I don't know if you can find them at video stores (I doubt it), but if you are ever given the chance to check them out, I would highly recommend it. I think every one of them is put together by different directors, but some people that have contributed to them are Jane Campion (director of Loaded and Holy Smoke!) and Kevin Corrigan (the guy that played Vivian's luv interest in Slums of Beverly Hills/writer of The Boiler Room). I've only seen Short: Vision and Short: Seduction, but I'm definitely going to go ahead and buy them all because from what I've seen its a sure delight. ...And BTW, I just discovered a few days ago that The Best of Liquid Television Volumes I & II are available at Amazon.com... - - --Kim In a message dated 2/25/2001 2:40:49 PM Central Standard Time, texaskiwi@worldnet.att.net writes: > Some movies I Really liked: > Dazed and Confused > Shawshank Redemption (spelling?) > City of Angels (this movie made me cry the first time I saw it and I NEVER > cry > from movies) > Detriot Rock City > Drop Dead Fred > Half Baked > Heavy Metal > The Labryinth > The Crow > Frequency (I know it's kinda new but I thought it was a really good movie > when > I saw it in the theaters) > Scrooge (the one with bill murray in it) > Immortal Beloved > I love all old disney movies especially Fantasia and Lady and the Tramp :) > > can't really think of any others that I thought were really good for the > moment > > Has anyone ever seen a movie called Wizards? It's a cartoon about the future > and the evil wizard uses images of Hitler to scare the other side. It was > one > of the weirdest movies I've ever seen. I had seen it before in the middle of > the night several years ago but had no idea what it was called but I > recently > saw it on the SciFi channel a couple months ago. > > Also has everyone else heard they're gonna be making Lord of the Rings into > a > movie? The ruin every good book but I guess I won't really judge it til I > see > it but I have a feeling there's no way they could do those books justice. > > Jessica ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:13:08 -0500 From: Rick Joyce Subject: Re: npr FOUR LAST GREAT MOVIES Major Boothroyd wrote: > ok, I missed the beginning of this conversation too...but I just wanted to > contribute some of my favorites, if anyone's interested > > - Leon (The Professional)!!! Damn Jean Reno and Natalie Portman are dope as > hell > - Ronin...gotta love De Niro and Reno > - can't forget the massively influential and awesome Seven Samurai I rented SS recently... and while it may have been amazing for its time, judged by today's standards, I think it's a piece of crap. I'm sorry, but the acting was COMPLETELY overdone... There were some interesting camera angles, but that's about it... See "Pollock," about the artist Jackson Pollock. It's out in theatres (possible limited release right now...)... Another thing: Is it just me, or is "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" one of the most OVERRATED movies in memory? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:21:47 -0600 From: "Anthony Bender" Subject: Re: Fans of Liquid Television I remember liquid television......it's been a while since I saw it. Is it still on? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: Fans of Liquid Television > > If you liked LTV, you have to check out the Short Series. Not all the short > stories are animated, but they're intended for the kind of person that > enjoyed LTV. I don't know if you can find them at video stores (I doubt it), > but if you are ever given the chance to check them out, I would highly > recommend it. I think every one of them is put together by different > directors, but some people that have contributed to them are Jane Campion > (director of Loaded and Holy Smoke!) and Kevin Corrigan (the guy that played > Vivian's luv interest in Slums of Beverly Hills/writer of The Boiler Room). > I've only seen Short: Vision and Short: Seduction, but I'm definitely going > to go ahead and buy them all because from what I've seen its a sure delight. > > ...And BTW, I just discovered a few days ago that The Best of Liquid > Television Volumes I & II are available at Amazon.com... > > - --Kim > > In a message dated 2/25/2001 2:40:49 PM Central Standard Time, > texaskiwi@worldnet.att.net writes: > > > > Some movies I Really liked: > > Dazed and Confused > > Shawshank Redemption (spelling?) > > City of Angels (this movie made me cry the first time I saw it and I NEVER > > cry > > from movies) > > Detriot Rock City > > Drop Dead Fred > > Half Baked > > Heavy Metal > > The Labryinth > > The Crow > > Frequency (I know it's kinda new but I thought it was a really good movie > > when > > I saw it in the theaters) > > Scrooge (the one with bill murray in it) > > Immortal Beloved > > I love all old disney movies especially Fantasia and Lady and the Tramp :) > > > > can't really think of any others that I thought were really good for the > > moment > > > > Has anyone ever seen a movie called Wizards? It's a cartoon about the future > > and the evil wizard uses images of Hitler to scare the other side. It was > > one > > of the weirdest movies I've ever seen. I had seen it before in the middle of > > the night several years ago but had no idea what it was called but I > > recently > > saw it on the SciFi channel a couple months ago. > > > > Also has everyone else heard they're gonna be making Lord of the Rings into > > a > > movie? The ruin every good book but I guess I won't really judge it til I > > see > > it but I have a feeling there's no way they could do those books justice. > > > > Jessica ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:27:07 -0800 From: "Timberwolf Moonlight" Subject: Re: Movies to see (NPR) >hilarious. Anyone out there seen "Swingers" though? >I love that movie!!! Awesome!!! I absolutely adored Swingers! That movie was so money! And that movie actually put money into my vocabulary in that context. *smilse* First movie I ever saw Heather Graham in.je t'aime,LB "You haven't truly made it until your head is on a pez dispenser." Visit me online: www.geocities.com/timberwolf0601 Talk to me online: aim beltain25 icq 15606443 msn sugarbaby_25@hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 18:40:55 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: movies to see In a message dated 2/25/2001 3:04:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, GloryBox84@aol.com writes: > I love Ewan, but I swear...Sometimes he can look really, > really...disgusting. > One thing that I read about that movie and something worth observing was > that > American actors seem uncomfortable even while "in character" and playing > gay/bisexual men. After a shoot they act "extra manly" to make up for it. > Ewan's performance may be considerable justification that maybe a lot of > American actors have more trouble getting completely into a character > without > fear of people questioning how they "really are". He really lets go of > himself to become another person entirely. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ever see William Hurt in "Kiss of the Spider Woman"? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:19:29 -0500 From: "P. W." Subject: NPR: NPR and cleaning up your messages Ack! - the NPR, esp the personal arguments between two APs, are filling up our inboxes enuf without all the original email text that all y'all keep including in your responses. Please, please, please delete any unnecessary text from the email to which you are responding before you reply! And if you think I'm full of shit - email me - not the list =~0 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:40:44 EST From: Iamtheher4u@aol.com Subject: Re: Movies to see (NPR) Speaking of Pez dispensers, you can actually get your face on a Pez dispenser, but it costs $80. Still having your face on anything as cool as a Pez dispenser is worth it. Tessa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:05:34 EST From: Davey08@aol.com Subject: NPR: Watch this movie http://www.planetstarseige.com/allyourbase/ayb2.swf Dave [aka Zampanosdead on mIRC] Dave@poe.org Davey08@aol.com zampanosdead@davidsmail.com compjuxlight@hotmail.com [_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_] "Dans la maison, l'obscuriti me consommera." (In the House, the darkness will consume me.) [_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_] "Si je dicidais de vous faire ma religion je pense que Dieu serait gentil" (If I decided to make you my religion I think God would be kind.) [_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_] http://www.geocities.com/run_rom_run/ http://www.geocities.com/run_rom_run/nextous/nextous.html http://alphamix.50megs.com/ [_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_] "Ces mots vous effrayent-ils?" ("Do these words frighten you?") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:11:02 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: NPR and cleaning up your messages > Ack! - the NPR, esp the personal arguments between two APs, are filling up > our inboxes enuf without all the original email text that all y'all keep > including in your responses. Please, please, please delete any unnecessary > text from the email to which you are responding before you reply! > And if you think I'm full of shit - email me - not the list > =~0 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Agreed. It is so simple to just click & drag the mouse pointer over the > specific text you want to highlight it and hit "reply all" for the whole > list ...or just "reply" to only send to the one who e-mailed the post. You > don't even have to copy/paste it...well on AOL anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:26:46 -0800 From: "aaron spink" Subject: Re: Our boys and girls in service - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Bender" > > I've seen that before as well, it's the truth. Does anyone have the > letter/email by Sen./Rep. Hellen Chenowith (sp?), that put it good as well. > I'm not flaming anyone just passing along not so common knowledge. Most > people outside the military have no idea what we do or what it's like. They > go off the movies, TV shows, radio programs or newspapers. If they only > knew.... > One of the major problems with the current US military machine is that we increasingly spend more money on questionable hardware than we are prepared to spend on the people who will be using that hardware. Two perfect examples of this are th V22 Osprey and the B2 Bomber. The B2 Bomber has a projected cost of over 1 Billion dollars per plane and withing the last couple of years has had a line item cost in the military budget of over 1%. If the US military cut the B2 Bombers, it could easily give significant pay raises to the fighting men and women as well as replace aging planes and vehicles with freshly upgraded models. The basic tennet is that the military has enough money, but the high level brass is spending this money unwisely on toys it really don't need. Aaron ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #77 **********************************