From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #69 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, February 19 2001 Volume 06 : Number 069 Today's Subjects: ----------------- re: editing software ["spidee" ] Poe - The making of a star! ["Dean Morrison" ] Re: editing software ["THX 1138 4EB" ] Re: editing software ["Tiffany Berg" ] RE: editing software ["Mike Vaughn" ] A PsYcHo in TuRkEy ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: editing software ...NPR [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: editing software [KrodKnid@aol.com] crystle [SpArKi00@aol.com] oops i farted again.... [SpArKi00@aol.com] breeding poe fans... [meowkittie@gurlmail.com] NPR: please read [StarGazerLily429@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:25:52 -0600 From: "spidee" Subject: re: editing software I work at a music store and yesterday I went into the recording department and asked them some questions. Here's what I was told: Cakewalk and Pro Tools are the most popular, and are apparently capable of both recording AND editing. Programs such as soundforge are good for editing. And most recording studios are slowly starting to revolve around the almighty computer, because music is going digital. Now, I'm not 100% sure of all of this, and I wouldn't stake my life on it; I work in guitars, not recording gear. But I just wanted to say (and this I'm sure of) that ProTools is NOT the only choice. _______________________________________________________ Get an Anonymous, Free Email at http://www.sub-mail.com Visit http://www.sub-net.com for the worlds best pages! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 11:58:32 -0500 From: "Dean Morrison" Subject: Poe - The making of a star! Hi Psychos! I don't mean to be a self promoter (well ok maybe I do) but I just posted a pretty cool story with some never seen before photos of Poe and the Hello album cover. The story is called: Hello - The making of a star ...the making of the POE logo I contacted photographer and filmmaker Stuart "Beau" Barton the credited front cover photographer on the Hello Album. I fired off a few questions for Beau on how the star logo evolved into an album cover and a enduring symbol that forever will be associated with Poe and her music. (He sent some great photos and told a cool story) http://www.polishchick.com/hello/ Dean www.polishchick.com A Poe Fan Site ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:53:06 -0500 From: "THX 1138 4EB" Subject: Re: editing software Indeed, this is true. But is there a free version of the others out there? The original poster of this question was looking for an inexpensive, not-fully featured recording software. Just trying to help... THX = out ----- Original Message ----- From: spidee To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: re: editing software I work at a music store and yesterday I went into the recording department and asked them some questions. Here's what I was told: Cakewalk and Pro Tools are the most popular, and are apparently capable of both recording AND editing. Programs such as soundforge are good for editing. And most recording studios are slowly starting to revolve around the almighty computer, because music is going digital. Now, I'm not 100% sure of all of this, and I wouldn't stake my life on it; I work in guitars, not recording gear. But I just wanted to say (and this I'm sure of) that ProTools is NOT the only choice. _______________________________________________________ Get an Anonymous, Free Email at http://www.sub-mail.com Visit http://www.sub-net.com for the worlds best pages! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:49:05 -0500 From: "Tiffany Berg" Subject: Re: editing software hi, i wasn't really keeping up with the converstation but if it's for audio editing, i use and have cool edit pro at my radio station at school and at home, it works really good. >From: "THX 1138 4EB" >To: >Subject: Re: editing software >Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:53:06 -0500 > > >Indeed, this is true. But is there a free version of the others out there? >The original poster of this question was looking for an inexpensive, not-fully >featured recording software. Just trying to help... > >THX = out > ----- Original Message ----- > From: spidee > To: angry-psychos@smoe.org > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 6:25 PM > Subject: re: editing software > > > > I work at a music store and yesterday I went into the recording department >and asked them some questions. Here's what I was told: Cakewalk and Pro Tools >are the most popular, and are apparently capable of both recording AND >editing. Programs such as soundforge are good for editing. And most >recording studios are slowly starting to revolve around the almighty computer, >because music is going digital. Now, I'm not 100% sure of all of this, and I >wouldn't stake my life on it; I work in guitars, not recording gear. But I >just wanted to say (and this I'm sure of) that ProTools is NOT the only >choice. > _______________________________________________________ > Get an Anonymous, Free Email at http://www.sub-mail.com > Visit http://www.sub-net.com for the worlds best pages! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 12:40:17 -0800 From: "Mike Vaughn" Subject: RE: editing software It's been my experience that the "trial versions" of audio software won't let you do the key things you need... like SAVE. On the other hand, buying this software is the equivalent of a semester of tuition. Look, I don't have a lot of ethics to begin with, but if you're not a pro, I don't see a huge issue with "borrowing" some software. Once you start to make money... then perhaps you should buy the software... but if it's just for fun... then I doubt the software police will care much since you can't get blood from a broke turnip anyway. By the way, I use SoundForge at home and all the audio engineers I work with use ProTools... but those lucky bastards are all on Mac and have hard drives the size of my desk. - -MikeV - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of THX 1138 4EB Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 9:53 AM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: editing software Indeed, this is true. But is there a free version of the others out there? The original poster of this question was looking for an inexpensive, not-fully featured recording software. Just trying to help... THX = out ----- Original Message ----- From: spidee To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 6:25 PM Subject: re: editing software I work at a music store and yesterday I went into the recording department and asked them some questions. Here's what I was told: Cakewalk and Pro Tools are the most popular, and are apparently capable of both recording AND editing. Programs such as soundforge are good for editing. And most recording studios are slowly starting to revolve around the almighty computer, because music is going digital. Now, I'm not 100% sure of all of this, and I wouldn't stake my life on it; I work in guitars, not recording gear. But I just wanted to say (and this I'm sure of) that ProTools is NOT the only choice. _______________________________________________________ Get an Anonymous, Free Email at http://www.sub-mail.com Visit http://www.sub-net.com for the worlds best pages! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:27:53 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: A PsYcHo in TuRkEy The "upload" indicator light on the http://www.bearshare.com file sharing program lit up, catching my eye in the jumble of "indicators" both visual and audio that call for my attention as I wander the web. A double click on the neat row of pseudo LED's nestled in the bottom left corner of my monitor restored the program to full size and opened to the "upload" page. Inspecting the data of the person requesting the file which in part is represented by an icon of the national flag of the person requesting the file, my eye was quickly drawn to the white, crescent moon, and star, on the red background. Germany, France, Japan, are common to see Turkey was a new one, a look at the IP address d7****a.dorm.bilkent.edu.tr suggested to me that it was a student at a university using a dorm computer. The speed was horrible sputtering on and off and the indicator said it would take 90 minutes to download the file while I watched and rooted for this unseen far away PsYcHo, I ran the IP address through Http://SamSpade.Org and came up with Bilkent University, 06533 Bilkent Ankara Turkey http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/ A look around revealed "The aim was to create a center of excellence in higher education and research. The name ``Bilkent'' exemplifies the founder's aim, since it is an acronym of ``bilim kenti,'' Turkish for ``city of science and knowledge.'' "Each year, more than 1,600,000 high-school graduates take the national exam to enter the 53 state and 21 private universities in Turkey -- currently, there are more than 74 of them combined. Bilkent gets many of the very best of these students. For example, in the 2000 examination, 37 of the top 100 scorers in the quantitative category, 33 in the verbal category and 35 of those in the equally-weighted category chose Bilkent." 33 mins and 1mb into the file with the www POE org tag, the connection quit. Maybe it is an AP that is here with us, but maybe it is a PsYcHo that is 0uT thERe.... l00kin 4 a drive by remix, it musta been a PsYcHo... is it that hard to get a POE CD in Turkey? a 90 minute wait? some remnants of the file will remain, maybe they will get the message in the bottle. sp00k etc ... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chat Thur 10PM East http://Poe.Org Visit My "POE" Place http://www.sp00k.com 3 INDIE Rock Grrlz http://EmberSwift.com Hear What I Hear ? http://wber.monroe.edu/live.ram 80K Feed ? http://wber.monroe.edu/live2.ram ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:57:37 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: editing software ...NPR In a message dated 2/18/2001 11:50:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, mybrainhurts@sub-mail.com writes: > I work at a music store and yesterday I went into the recording department > and asked them some questions. Here's what I was told: Cakewalk and Pro > Tools are the most popular, and are apparently capable of both recording > AND editing. Programs such as soundforge are good for editing. And most > recording studios are slowly starting to revolve around the almighty > computer, because music is going digital. Now, I'm not 100% sure of all of > this, and I wouldn't stake my life on it; I work in guitars, not recording > gear. But I just wanted to say (and this I'm sure of) that ProTools is NOT > the only choice. > _______________________________________________________ Hey, you need Cakewalk Guitar Studio...heh, heh. Actually, the latest version of Cakewalk is Cakewalk v9 Pro, as far as I know...they do have Guitar Studio specially for guitarists too. I have Cakewalk Express, which is a stripped down version of the Pro package that I got free with the purchase of a midi cable. Then there are Pro Tools, Steinberg WaveLab, CoolEdit and CoolEdit Pro, FruityLoops, AnvilStudio, NTrack Studio, AudioMulch, et al which offer editing, recording, sequencing, Effects Processing/looping...some of the above, all of the above...most of them also have myriad plug-ins which allow them to do some of the stuff the others do. Cakewalk, for example, has a sheet music writing plug-in that allows you to print out sheet music of your compositions like Noteworthy Composer, Sibelius, Encore, et al, which are strictly for sheet music composers. There are DSP FX packages such as Arboretum's "Hyperprism" which has (in the latest version) the most amazing vocal harmonizer/pitch shifter ever, as well as a number of other effects. There are simple FX packages too, like Effects Processor Pro, which offer real time FX processing using reverb, flanger, phaser, delay, pitch shifter (latest version only). You can plug an instrument or voice straight into the soundcard and use a lot of these packages in real-time...some are mainly for processing/mixing/editing/sequencing .wav or midi files you have already recorded though. Some, like AudioMulch, have drum/bassline looping ability for setting up groove/trance backgrounds but also provide for real-time processing of external analog or midi instruments so you can jam with your loops...AudioMulch adds an amazing array of filters/mixers as well as FX like a granulator in additon to the more common flanger/reverb/etc. It also has some novel sound generators in addition to drums/bassline...like a bubble blower, spatializer, harmonics. Some of the virtual synths out there are amazing too. DreamStation is a pretty good one that allows some sequencing/editing too...but there is enough delay via a midi keyboard that it isn't very usable in real-time. Retro AS1, on the other hand, is very playable in real-time via midi...it has just about every classic synth sound you can think of as well as much control over things like the filters, envelope generators, waveform generators, etc. You can use something like a cheap Yamaha or Casio "K-Mart" keyboard (as long as it has midi output) and sound like everyone from Keith Emerson or Stevie Wonder to some recent film-music composer guy...heh, heh. There are a number of great drum machine packages too. Bio-Drummer is an addictive one that makes very "world-beat" sounding ethnic rhythms. PC Drummer Pro is the best one going for hard rock/blues/jazz conventional drumming...and it sounds damned real too! There are some cool freebees as well as these programs (which can cost upwards of $1000 for a full package...$200 or $300+ for basic software). AnvilStudio (Australian) is free for the basic package...but you can only do minimal stuff with it like record a single track with a time limit on it. As soon as you start adding the plug-ins though, the whole recording package becomes available...the cheapest plug-in is only about $20 too. In the full mode it is like NTrack Studio, a full 64 track recording studio which only costs about $50 itself. There is a great free drum machine called HammerHead Rhythm Machine which does hip-hop/r&b type stuff using 303/909 style sounds...you can use the presets or make your own. There is a little free program called HOG which allows you to ring modulate (and a couple other things) previously recorded .wav files for an amazing sound. VirtualDrummer is not the best drum machine, but it is free...I think there are Mac as well as PC versions of that one. But the all time greatest freebee has to be CSound. It is practically unknown among rock/pop type musicians, but is a staple of electronic music departments at many universities. You can do incredible stuff with CSound...like granular synthesis, for example...or make a whole orchestral "space-opera" soundtrack...make it sound almost like a conventional symphony...do practically anything a more conventional synth can do. CSound is for composition only though, as I don't think there are any decent real-time interfaces for it yet. There are also a number of free softwares available which use the CSound engine as a foundation, like VisualOrchestra, or Cecilia (Mac only) which is a CSound front end allowing for easier control. CSound is kind of hard to use unless you are an HTML coder. You type up the compositions just like setting up webpages with HTML, only instead of a browser which can "see" the HTML document as a web page, you have the CSound engine/interpreter which can "hear" the document as a musical composition. CSound was written by Mac freaks using MacIntosh only, but there are now a bunch of Windows versions around...and the Windows/Mac versions can read each other's documents too, just like Netscape/Internet Explorer can both see web pages. It is a feast for Mac freaks who are also HTML coders though, as there is a ton of Mac only stuff like Cecilia for it. You can download it free from a bunch of universities like Leeds, England...or Amsterdam, or Montreal. I think MIT has it too...many of the CSound based apps are also free. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:09:31 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: editing software In a message dated 2/18/2001 3:44:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@mikevaughn.com writes: > It's been my experience that the "trial versions" of audio software won't > let you do the key things you need... like SAVE. > > On the other hand, buying this software is the equivalent of a semester of > tuition. Look, I don't have a lot of ethics to begin with, but if you're > not a pro, I don't see a huge issue with "borrowing" some software. Once you > start to make money... then perhaps you should buy the software... but if > it's just for fun... then I doubt the software police will care much since > you can't get blood from a broke turnip anyway. > > By the way, I use SoundForge at home and all the audio engineers I work with > use ProTools... but those lucky bastards are all on Mac and have hard drives > the size of my desk. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try doing a search for Radium or Oxygen (both notorious underground hacking/cracking crews) or just "AudioWarez"...you will find a bunch of black market sites where you can get "cracked" versions of very expensive audio softwares...including CoolEdit, WaveLab, SoundForge, Cakewalk...free...you can buy it later if you are that ethical:-) You might have to wade through a ton of porn sites though...and can get crashed offline a lot too. I have been in Russian FTP sites which have thousands of dollars worth of free audio warez though. If you are on a regular modem, beware of some site trying to place a phone call from your computer to some 900 # in Malaysia or someplace though...these can run into hundreds of dollars. The phone company will usually forgive you and cancel the bill though...once. After that, they assume you are actually placing the calls yourself. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:42:16 EST From: SpArKi00@aol.com Subject: crystle yo cuz, e-mail me! this is the only way i can contact you so far!!!!!!!!! grrrrrrrr! :) - -robyn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:46:08 EST From: SpArKi00@aol.com Subject: oops i farted again.... http://www.zthing.com/zthings/oops.html britney spears, (spear britney) new song oops i farted again, here is the "Real" deal from zthings.com, its heckama funny! have fun watching britney blow ass ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 22:24:49 -0500 From: meowkittie@gurlmail.com Subject: breeding poe fans... okay...so that subject header sounds kinda wrong... sorry...but by being the load and obnoxious and puchy psycho that i am, i'm getting all my friends to be poe fans too...(behold the power of peer pressure...!!!) hehehe...oh yeah...this is totally npr...but starting to smoke is not a good way to make your boyfriend mad at you so that he breaks up with you...be strong, my children...if you don't want to be with the guy (person, alien sea creature, whatever...) break up with him...but not on valentine's day...cause that's just harsh...trust me...i learned all this the hard way... Love, Emily (Ems) "You say I'm a dreamer I say you're a non-believer..." -Good Charlotte, Screamer ________________________________________________________________________ - --> get your free, private gURLmail account at http://www.gURLmail.com!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:19:24 EST From: StarGazerLily429@aol.com Subject: NPR: please read ok i know that this isnt poe related and that i dont post that much to begin with. but i thought that i would say something really fast. i'm going on a retreat thing for my school for the next week. so i wanted to tell you that if you ask me about the hello video i wont get back to you right anyway. also i wont be posting anything for the next week. well i love you all and thanks! sarah katherine ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #69 **********************************