From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #62 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Tuesday, February 13 2001 Volume 06 : Number 062 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: WARNING! e-mail contains NPR subject matter [GloryBox84@aol.com] Re: Haunted at Target! [VR5SBloom@aol.com] Re: request calls in San Fran [VR5SBloom@aol.com] Re: SPR Napster Shutdown ["Debian Linux" ] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #61 [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #61 [Dracovixen@aol.com] NPR --- listen!!! Napster is NOT shut down. [JR ] NPR: Napster [Tim_Weaver@RohmHaas.Com (Tim Weaver)] NPR: Napster issue ["MELISSA STEWARD" ] Re: Haunted at Target! [Tarotfeather@aol.com] Re: Missing Digests. HELP! [VR5SBloom@aol.com] Re: Napster [KoriG@aol.com] Napster Opinion Poe Related [Kimberly Davis ] Re: Napster Opinion Poe Related ["Anfrey Cheng" ] New to the list [the choirboy hotel ] (no subject) [SpArKi00@aol.com] Re: (no subject)NPR ["Chris Povie" ] Re: New to the list ["Lee Wang 444" ] NPR Pervert! [EMOKidsSmell@aol.com] Re: AP Stickers ["shannon little" ] Poe Newsgroup ["meghan" ] Re: Napster issue ["Anthony Bender" ] RE: SPR: Napster Shutdown ["Mike Vaughn" ] RE: NPR Music Paper ["Mike Vaughn" ] RE: SPR: Napster Shutdown ["Mike Vaughn" ] Napster must die (and reborn like the Phoenix...) ["Stephen van Vuuren" <] Re: Poe Newsgroup ["Lee Wang 444" ] Re: NPR: Napster [KrodKnid@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:37:08 EST From: GloryBox84@aol.com Subject: Re: WARNING! e-mail contains NPR subject matter In a message dated 2/13/2001 12:35:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, GloryBox84@aol.com writes: > Maybe this is what they plan to do about it anyway, but I think they should > *GRANT permission, I meant =) - - --Kim ~*You gotta have fear in your heart*~ -Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:37:31 EST From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: Re: Haunted at Target! From: Fenimore Bergen > I was at Target to in Beaverton (Just outside of Portland) the other day too > and they are doing a huge Promotion for Haunted with the TV monitor and > display and the whole bit! It was totally rad! I agree, lets start camping > at Target!! lol Someone take a picture of this or videotape it or something! Wear an AP shirt and put a Poe sticker on it and try not to get kicked out! ::) - --Michele Got promos, bootlegs, or MP3s of your favorite artist? Feel guilty? Give 'em a tip at http://www.fairtunes.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:37:28 EST From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: Re: request calls in San Fran Kori wrote: > I was just told that forces are looking heavily at Live 105 in San Francisco, > who are now testing out "Hey Pretty". I wish I had their contact info on > hand as I post this, but I don't. I'm sure someone else out there can fill > in the blanks. : ) I never ever hear women on Live 105 anymore...so Bay Area Psychos wake up, why should LA always get all the attention ::P I suggest e-mailing aaron at live105.com and asking him to play Poe on his shows. Wild, full length, would be perfect for Subsonic. I haven't heard the edit, but I'm betting the electronic ending was cut off so it wouldn't fit so well on the show. Hey Pretty would be good for Soundcheck. If listeners start hearing it then and requesting it, that's the best chance it has at getting into rotation. You can bug Aaron for either one or both. Out of the Bay Area? Bug Aaron too. Live 105 is owned by CBS, so they don't stream over the net, but check out the site...you will see the drastic difference of Subsonic and Soundcheck vs. the regular playlist. And lack of women, except for The Donnas. Years ago, Angry Johnny was thrown into Live 105's New Music Challenge three times, and all three times it lost. They finally added it to rotation anyway. It may take a while, but if you keep requesting Poe it may work! - --Michele Got promos, bootlegs, or MP3s of your favorite artist? Feel guilty? Give 'em a tip at http://www.fairtunes.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:39:19 From: "Debian Linux" Subject: Re: SPR Napster Shutdown why do you insist that I am a criminal? I have done absolutely nothing wrong yet you accuse me for practically high treason. oooohhh, pooor radio stations. Radio sations are nothing but corporate gluttons. I could give a flying fuck if what I am doing "hurts" their business. here's why: A.The artists I am primarily concerned with I CAN'T hear on the radio thanks largely in part to the fact that they will only play whatever will make them money, hmmmm. B. Radio waves USED to be public property, but our wonderful government under the guise of the FCC took that away and gave it to Corporations. C. Even if what I am doing is "hurting" said pitiful radio stations, it is steal not illeagl so I'm not a fucking criminal so get off it. <><><><>Jason Muncy Writes<><><><> and distributing music for the masses to hear is what radio stations exist for they get paid for advertisements to stay afloat, so in a sense no you are stealing from the radio station, since you are infringing on their business. wow you are a regular criminal <><><><><<><><><><> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:10:42 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #61 In a message dated 2/13/01 3:58:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > 2 words for Napster users: tough darts > I don't give a shit if some people release their stuff for use on Napster. > The fact of the matter is that the majority of its users are stealing from > musicians. Let's take our own Poe for example. Say my friend Tony likes > "Angry Johnny" and "That Day" but instead of buying the CD and putting money > > in Poe's pocket, he goes to Napter, gets those songs for free and burns them > > to a CD. I do not know how many people on this list go to college, but every > > day in our computer lab I see people doing just that- they are trading, they > > are "checking out new artists" they are fucking ripping off songs that they > hear on the radio and are too cheap to buy the CDs that the songs come from. > > that is theft. If I like one song, why buy the whole CD? If you ask me, that's a rip-off. I'm not going to plunk down 15 or 20 bucks for one song. Sorry. If they released it as a single, I would get it, but that's it. And it is a good way to check out new artists. I pick up a few songs from someone I might like, and if I like them, I go out and buy an album or two. Oh yes, that's criminal. Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:15:59 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #61 In a message dated 2/13/01 3:58:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > Anyone who supports their "right" to > steal songs off Napster is an idiot who doesn't know jackshit about the law. The law isn't always right, I would like to remind you. You think that just because these people stick a law out there, it is THE law? I don't think that every law they have out there is right. And please, let's not get into a discussion about abortion, but I am going to use it as an example. Abortion was once outlawed. I don't see that as right. Now, abortion is no longer outlawed. There are others who don't see that as right. The law is not everything. It was once accepted to have slaves, and there was a law against runaways. You're going to tell me that's right? These are extreme examples and I do realize that. But, if I like only one song from an artist (I'm going to use Garth Brooks' "Friends in Low Places"...I don't like country music at all, but I do happen to like that one song), then I don't see why I should have to buy the whole album if I'm only going to listen to that one song. It doesn't make any sense. I dislike the people who download entire albums and burn them, I think that is criminal. I have friends who do that, and I yell at them all the time. But I wouldn't waste your breath on the people who download a song or two from one album. Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:40:20 -0800 (PST) From: JR Subject: NPR --- listen!!! Napster is NOT shut down. I hate for this to be my first e-mail, but many of you are misinformed!!! READ ON: As the details of the ruling unfold, please keep this is mind: Napster is not shut down, but under this decision it could be. We are very disappointed in this ruling by the three judge panel and will seek appellate review. The Court today ruled on the basis of what it recognized was an incomplete record before it. We look forward to getting more facts into the record. We will pursue every avenue in the courts and the Congress to keep Napster operating. THERE...facts straight. SILENCE! - -JR Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:39:17 -0500 From: Tim_Weaver@RohmHaas.Com (Tim Weaver) Subject: NPR: Napster I will miss Napster when if it goes down. I mostly use it for out-of-print music, bootlegs of bands I have all of their available CD's and to hear new music. So while I might be doing something illegal, I am ok morally with it. With that being said, people compare file sharing to sharing a CD or lending out your car. If you lend your car or CD, you can't use it when the other person has it, BIG difference. Nor can 1000 people use it at once. If it's available for purchase and you continue using a Napstered version, I think it's stealing. If it's not available for purchase, I don't think it's stealing unless you don't buy it if it becomes available. Is it stealing if songs just sit on your harddrive and you never listen to them? ;) I downloaded the entire Haunted CD, liked what I heard, bought the CD. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:55:23 -0800 From: "MELISSA STEWARD" Subject: NPR: Napster issue Hmmm...on this whole Napster deal I just have one itsy bitsy comment: It was a privilege...and like with all great privileges there's always someone who abuses it and it gets taken away. I'll use this example since there are alot of high school age AP's and this story comes to mind: It's like in high school when the girls and guys can sit together on the bus....then two of them get caught kissing or something in the back seat and the privilege gets revoked. Girls on one side...boys on the other (aaww.. the memories :-P). Or maybe that sorta thing only happened in small towns? Anyhow, you get my point. Thanks for listenin! Melissa _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:04:16 EST From: Tarotfeather@aol.com Subject: Re: Haunted at Target! Hey, I can try and do that! I have a friend that works at Target so maybe she can let me in with her before or after hours... Who knows. I'll just bring my video cam and try to tape it! If I succeed, I'll let you know : ) - - Amber ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:18:56 EST From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: Re: Missing Digests. HELP! From: Dan Pusateri >Could someone do me a huge favor and send me all the digests after #54. >My ISP is having problems with their email system and seems to be >deleting my mail before I get them. You can read old digests here: http://www.smoe.org/lists/angry-psychos/ For more help with Majordomo and the list, check out http://www.angry-psychos.com/resources/ - --Michele Got promos, bootlegs, or MP3s of your favorite artist? Feel guilty? Give 'em a tip at http://www.fairtunes.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:09:14 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: Napster In a message dated 2/13/01 5:36:36 PM, Dracovixen@aol.com writes: >I don't see why I should have to buy the whole album if I'm only >going to listen to that one song. It doesn't make any sense. >I dislike the people who download entire albums and burn them, I think >that >is criminal. I have friends who do that, and I yell at them all the time. >But >I wouldn't waste your breath on the people who download a song or two from >one album. I buy MORE music, new and old, now that I have (or had) acess to Napster than I ever have before. Why? The biggest reason, for all artists involved, old and new, is that I am able to check out the other material on the album, not just the one single. Of COURSE there is a better chance of you wanting to buy something if you can give it a test drive. (I'm sorry. I don't trust artists on blind faith. I don't care if I own every damn thing, say, U2 has ever recorded since day one. That does not guarantee that I will purchase their new release on day one. Even if I wanted to, I just cannot afford it. Couldn't even in my most spoiled brat days either.) And if I can't take a chance on paying money for even my favorite artists, I sure as hell am not going to pick up a CD from someone I've never heard a single note from, no matter how much I trust the opinion of the person suggesting them. Though, does it mean I am willing to go to Napster and take the time to DL their stuff from there and check it out? VERY possible. And if I like it, I WILL go purchase it. Why? because if you want to listen to some music, you want to be able to hear it on your stereo, in your car, on your walkman, etc. Even if you have GREAT speakers on your computer, I doubt its the first component you run to to bust out the party jams. And as for people who choose to DL the mp3s of entire albums and then burn copies -- jesus! It seems for all the work and cost of that technology ANYONE in their right mind would just go buy the CD. I pity them, frankly. They are missing out on the artwork, lyrics, liner notes, etc. of some great albums out there. And yes, I do agree there is at least some greater degree of "stealing" going on than with dubbing cassette copies for friends. (Yes, CDs are expensive, and music fans can't always afford the best means of listening to music.) But as I see it, if can afford the good modem connection to Napster, the CD burner, whatever software is needed, the blank CDs, hell, the computer in the FIRST place, you can afford to pay for entire CDs. In fact, your probably saving enough time and money to make up for any added costs buying the actually CD may supposedly be adding. KORi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:27:17 -0700 From: Kimberly Davis Subject: Napster Opinion Poe Related Ok, before Haunted came out in stores I was very impatient to hear some of the songs. I found them on Napster and downloaded half the cd before it was even out. And after I bought the CD I deleted every song from the CD off my hard drive and emailed my friends to please BUY the CD and not download it. I now use napster to get Poe stuff I can't buy, like Poe doing Jane says and other stuff. I also download stuff for my friends that they can't buy. For example, I'm currently downloading live Black Crowes song for my friend Willie and these are song you can't find on CD. That is what I use my Napster for, songs I can't go out and buy or song I have bought in the past and lost the CD to. I will miss Napster, but I have enough friends that if I want a song I will borrow a CD from one of them and just rip the song of their CD. It's more difficult. but the same thing. Anyone thought of that? Kim J ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:25:20 -0500 From: "Anfrey Cheng" Subject: Re: Napster Opinion Poe Related which brings us to another point... this isn't directed to anyone in general, it just brought up something that should be mentioned. because most live shows or tours are funded by record companies, it is usually under contract that live shows remain copyright material owned by the label. this is the reason several live shows do not allow audio taping. however, artists who go on tour without the financial backing of a record company are free to declare their own recording and sharing policy. peace, anf - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kimberly Davis To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 20:27 Subject: Napster Opinion Poe Related > > Ok, before Haunted came out in stores I was very impatient to hear some > of the songs. I found them on Napster and downloaded half the cd before > it was even out. And after I bought the CD I deleted every song from > the CD off my hard drive and emailed my friends to please BUY the CD and > not download it. I now use napster to get Poe stuff I can't buy, like > Poe doing Jane says and other stuff. I also download stuff for my > friends that they can't buy. For example, I'm currently downloading > live Black Crowes song for my friend Willie and these are song you can't > find on CD. That is what I use my Napster for, songs I can't go out and > buy or song I have bought in the past and lost the CD to. I will miss > Napster, but I have enough friends that if I want a song I will borrow a > CD from one of them and just rip the song of their CD. It's more > difficult. but the same thing. Anyone thought of that? > > Kim J ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:59:55 -0800 (PST) From: the choirboy hotel Subject: New to the list Hey there, i'm new to the list...... so i thought i would make myself known here. :) My name is... My name is... My name is... Ash. lol Short for Ashley. I currently rest my little head in Austin, TX, but i'm from Southern Indiana (armpit of the MidWest) and lived for a year in NorthWest Ohio. i'ss be 21 friday, feb. 16th, blah blah blah. and i'm gay.... just something that i like to get in the open.... yay me. my web page is at http://www.kracked.com/~venusenvy/ lol ummmm.... when i heard the debut of 'trigger happy jack' on the radio, i was riding around with a friend of mine hitting some cool stores and just hanging out. we were on our way to eat after a day of looking through random stores, buying useless shit and just having a good time when there she was.... 'can't talk to a psycho like a normal human being...' how perfect is that? it was just a clinching line that i couldn't stop hearing it my head as we ate our breakfast food at 7 pm and drank coffee.... so on our way out of town, i decided, fuck it, i want it, let's go to the music store. so we went to the music store and i asked about the song.... of course, no one knew who sang it.... so i used to phone, called the radio station and asked. they told me, i thanked them, i ran for the racks, grabbed the cd, jumped up and down, bought it and headed for the homestead. when i got home i laid in the floor and listened to the cd with my eyes closed, much like i do with every album that i buy for creative value. it was riveting.... beautiful.... i couldn't get enough of it. it stayed in my cd player for a LONG time, being as poe and tori amos were all i wanted to listen to at the time. everytime after 'hello' that i heard of poe doing something new, via friends on the internet or whatever, i would get it. but that wasn't cutting it.... i longed for a new album..... well, after i settled with the idea that 'hello' was all i was going to get, i hear about 'the haunted' i was ecstatic. so i got the cd and listened to it soooo much, then it kind of dwindled down to not-s-much, but now, i can't get enough again! she's so amazing.... i regret to say that i haven't seen her in concert yet :( that makes me very very very sad. but ONE DAY. oh yes, ONE DAY.... other musicians i like are: tori amos, ani difranco, bjork, moby, ben folds five, matchbox twenty, imogen heap, sophie b hawkins, any dance/trance/techno type music, and yes, even the little pop bands that we all hate so much we like them.... i.e. - britney, ricky martin, bsb, nsync lol i just like them for their bouncy value lol okay, well, that's about all about me.... i've rambled now... so i am done. i'm on aol 'nottapretyboi' so drop me a little 'hello!' take it easy, and i really like the list thus far. :) i'm always up for meeting poe fans! :) take it easy, ashy- ===== through that and this trading list - http://members.tripod.com/thewaitress/trading/html/ tea with the waitress - http://members.tripod.com/thewaitress/waitress/html/ ashley's page - http://members.tripod.com/venusenvy/ 'rolling and unrolling, coiling, emerging, running free...' - tori amos Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:01:56 EST From: SpArKi00@aol.com Subject: (no subject) Can anybody help me? i am in love with the one person i should hate and be grossed out by. The same guy i have gone out with 3 times and who wrote a letter to my friend mike telling him ways he would like to have sex with me and what positions and everything you can, and dont want to, imagine. i think its sick and i hate that he does that, but he doesnt act like that, he just writes it. i love the way he is when he isnt writing, but i dont know what to do! Crystle knows who he is, i talk 'bout him 24/7! gotta go, happy v-day! - -robyn ps: so, crystle, when are you and brenton getting hitched??? :)~ HELP ME! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:16:58 -0800 From: "Chris Povie" Subject: Re: (no subject)NPR Oooh! I wanna hear more about those positions! ;-) Got any pics? CP - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 5:01 PM Subject: (no subject) > > Can anybody help me? > i am in love with the one person i should hate and be grossed out by. > The same guy i have gone out with 3 times and who wrote a letter to my friend > mike telling him ways he would like to have sex with me and what positions > and everything you can, and dont want to, imagine. i think its sick and i > hate that he does that, but he doesnt act like that, he just writes it. i > love the way he is when he isnt writing, but i dont know what to do! Crystle > knows who he is, i talk 'bout him 24/7! > gotta go, happy v-day! > -robyn > ps: so, crystle, when are you and brenton getting hitched??? > :)~ > HELP ME! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:32:21 -0800 From: "Lee Wang 444" Subject: Re: New to the list Hmm... the US must have many arms, seeing as there are some many armpits in this glorious freenation in which we live. ;) >From: the choirboy hotel > >I currently rest my little head in >Austin, TX, but i'm from Southern Indiana (armpit of >the MidWest) And judging from the waddayacallit email yeah: TORI ALERT! ;^ WelcomeBienvenueWillkommen! rambling always Lee Storm sees me dyin he dont feel nuthin. "Do your dreams come true?" "I haven't had a nice dream for years." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:48:19 EST From: EMOKidsSmell@aol.com Subject: NPR Pervert! Ditch the boy! Seriously! Of course he's not going to act like a sicko TO YOUR FACE!!!! He's trying to get down your pants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gross! Ditch him! He's only after one thing, and sweety its not a loving caring relationship. Megan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:58:24 -0500 From: "shannon little" Subject: Re: AP Stickers its aright, i guess i could forgive ya this time.. :) *Shan >From: "Sarae Montgomery" >To: "AP" >Subject: Re: AP Stickers >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:37:27 -0500 > > >i know.. but i couldn't resist... it left itself wide open for a joke like >that! >-s > >*Madness is the channel by which we receive > the greatest blessings* - Socrates >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Sarae Montgomery >Sarmnstr@earthlink.net >Sarae@velvet.net >aim / icq >Sarae135 / 531038 > >We're All Mad Here! >------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- Original Message ----- >From: shannon little >To: ; >Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 9:49 PM >Subject: Re: AP Stickers > > > > > > hey...that wasnt here..that was like palm beach or soem shit. im in >orlando > > so :p' hehe > > *shan > > > > > > >From: "Sarae Montgomery" > > >To: "AP" > > >Subject: Re: AP Stickers > > >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:31:31 -0500 > > > > > > > > >maybe they're busy trying to count the number of people wanting a > > >sticker... > > >*duck, hide* > > >*Madness is the channel by which we receive > > > the greatest blessings* - Socrates > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >Sarae Montgomery > > >Sarmnstr@earthlink.net > > >Sarae@velvet.net > > >aim / icq > > >Sarae135 / 531038 > > > > > >We're All Mad Here! > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: > > >To: ; ; >; > > > > > >Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 6:52 PM > > >Subject: Re: AP Stickers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/12/01 6:39:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > > shamimin56@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well then is there anyone in florida that is going to make > > >stickers...i > > >have > > > > > absolutely no ideas on what to make or anyone who could make them. > > > > > *Shan > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have yet to find someone in florida making the stickers. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:37:24 -0500 From: "meghan" Subject: Poe Newsgroup Hey, if I got the ball rolling and started a Poe Newsgroup (would probably be alt.music.poe if I could get it approved), would anyone check it out? Meghan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:48:46 -0600 From: "Anthony Bender" Subject: Re: Napster issue I get your point and I'll admit I'm a Napster song stealing fool! Lock me up in the state pen.....Oh! I just stole another one! And another.........god I'm bad! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "MELISSA STEWARD" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 3:55 PM Subject: NPR: Napster issue > > Hmmm...on this whole Napster deal I just have one itsy bitsy comment: > > It was a privilege...and like with all great privileges there's always > someone who abuses it and it gets taken away. > > I'll use this example since there are alot of high school age AP's and this > story comes to mind: It's like in high school when the girls and guys can > sit together on the bus....then two of them get caught kissing or something > in the back seat and the privilege gets revoked. Girls on one side...boys > on the other (aaww.. the memories :-P). Or maybe that sorta thing only > happened in small towns? > > Anyhow, you get my point. > > Thanks for listenin! > Melissa > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:32:08 -0800 From: "Mike Vaughn" Subject: RE: SPR: Napster Shutdown The bottom line is $, right? Mr. Urlich screams how he's missing money he would have had if Napster users hadn't shared and copied his album over Napster. BUT... Mr. Urlich, Dr. Dre. and the record companies have ALL failed to clearly show a loss of income. In fact, music sales have never been greater. (and at $16 a pop... that's amazing). All Napster did was spark a new found interest in music, sales went up, and the short-sighted brought out the lawyers (always a mistake). By the way, POE uses Napster. She just wants you to buy the recordings of the artist you like. - -MikeV (props to Debian Linux and spook for the new napster links) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Jason Muncy Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:23 PM To: debianlinux@hotmail.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: SPR: Napster Shutdown 2 words for Napster users: tough darts I don't give a shit if some people release their stuff for use on Napster. The fact of the matter is that the majority of its users are stealing from musicians. Let's take our own Poe for example. Say my friend Tony likes "Angry Johnny" and "That Day" but instead of buying the CD and putting money in Poe's pocket, he goes to Napter, gets those songs for free and burns them to a CD. I do not know how many people on this list go to college, but every day in our computer lab I see people doing just that- they are trading, they are "checking out new artists" they are fucking ripping off songs that they hear on the radio and are too cheap to buy the CDs that the songs come from. that is theft. Have I ever dubbed a song from a friend's CD? Sure I have and that is also violating the copyright of the music. Anyone who supports their "right" to steal songs off Napster is an idiot who doesn't know jackshit about the law. Let's use another medium for an example. Let's say there is a website where you could download a movie and burn it to a DVD player and have a digital quality film for the cost of a blank DVD. (although the technology is not that cheap as of yet). Guess what- that isn't file sharing- that is stealing. Same as software- I know people who are die hard against pirated software and rant and rave about bootleg video games, yet will download 12GB worth of songs they didn't pay for off Napster. If you want to "share files" online- try this method. go to www.cdnow.com and buy the fucking CD and "share" your credit card number so the artist who worked so hard to make the album gets his or her due income. If Napster wants to support only groups/musicians that are non-copyrighted, that is perfectly fine, but anytime there is even a single song that could be purchased at the store, it is not sharing, it is theft. You can't walk into Best Buy and grab a CD single and walk out without paying for it, so why would anyone think they can download a single and copy it without paying? If you like a song, do yourself and the rest of the world a favor and buy the CD or listen to the radio. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:01:41 -0800 From: "Mike Vaughn" Subject: RE: NPR Music Paper REM's it's the end of the world as we know it has good references to "Book Burning" "Leonard Bernstein" etc.... I made a music video of it in high school if you want a copy. - -M - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Dracovixen@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 9:52 AM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: NPR Music Paper In a message dated 2/12/01 11:38:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > or anyone concerned, I'm not particularly asking > anyone to do my research for me. I will be doing > plenty of research on my own, but not until late > February/early March. I am simply asking for some > names of songs now so that I can get a jump start on > my research and have some starting points from which > to set out. :). > > Thanks a bunch! Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start the Fire"!!!!!!!!!!!! You got yourself like 100 events right then and there! Yeah, I'm a huge Billy Joel fan...I have that entire song memorized...sad... Anyway, if you don't want one like that, there's another Billy Joel song about the Vietnam war. It's awesome because when he does it live, the lights go down right before the chorus, and then when they come back up for the chorus, he had about 6 men standing there that were supposed to be Vietnam vets, and they sang the chorus "We would all go down together!" It was so...amazing...then the song has cool sound effects like helicopter wings and stuff... Here's the song: Goodnight Saigon We met as soul mates On Parris Island We left as inmates From an asylum And we were sharp As sharp as knives And we were so gung ho To lay down our lives We came in spastic Like tameless horses We left in plastic As numbered corpses And we learned fast To travel light Our arms were heavy But our bellies were tight We had no home front We had no soft soap They sent us Playboy They gave us Bob Hope We dug in deep And shot on sight And prayed to Jesus Christ With all of our might We had no cameras To shoot the landscape We passed the hash pipe And played our Doors tapes And it was dark So dark at night And we held on to each other Like brother to brother We promised our mothers we'd write And we would all go down together We said we'd all go down together Yes we would all go down together Remember Charlie Remember Baker They left their childhood On every acre And who was wrong? And who was right? It didn't matter in the thick of the fight We held the day In the palm Of our hand They ruled the night And the night Seemed to last as long as six weeks On Parris Island We held the coastline They held the highlands And they were sharp As sharp as knives They heard the hum of our motors They counted the rotors And waited for us to arrive And we would all go down together We said we'd all go down together Yes we would all go down together ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:17:26 -0800 From: "Mike Vaughn" Subject: RE: SPR: Napster Shutdown The bottom line is $, right? Mr. Urlich screams how he's missing money he would have had if Napster users hadn't shared and copied his album over Napster. BUT... Mr. Urlich, Dr. Dre. and the record companies have ALL failed to clearly show a loss of income. In fact, music sales have never been greater. (and at $16 a pop... that's amazing). All Napster did was spark a new found interest in music, sales went up, and the short-sighted brought out the lawyers (always a mistake). By the way, POE uses Napster. She just wants you to buy the recordings of the artist you like. - -MikeV (props to Debian Linux and spook for the new napster links) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Jason Muncy Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:23 PM To: debianlinux@hotmail.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: SPR: Napster Shutdown 2 words for Napster users: tough darts I don't give a shit if some people release their stuff for use on Napster. The fact of the matter is that the majority of its users are stealing from musicians. Let's take our own Poe for example. Say my friend Tony likes "Angry Johnny" and "That Day" but instead of buying the CD and putting money in Poe's pocket, he goes to Napter, gets those songs for free and burns them to a CD. I do not know how many people on this list go to college, but every day in our computer lab I see people doing just that- they are trading, they are "checking out new artists" they are fucking ripping off songs that they hear on the radio and are too cheap to buy the CDs that the songs come from. that is theft. Have I ever dubbed a song from a friend's CD? Sure I have and that is also violating the copyright of the music. Anyone who supports their "right" to steal songs off Napster is an idiot who doesn't know jackshit about the law. Let's use another medium for an example. Let's say there is a website where you could download a movie and burn it to a DVD player and have a digital quality film for the cost of a blank DVD. (although the technology is not that cheap as of yet). Guess what- that isn't file sharing- that is stealing. Same as software- I know people who are die hard against pirated software and rant and rave about bootleg video games, yet will download 12GB worth of songs they didn't pay for off Napster. If you want to "share files" online- try this method. go to www.cdnow.com and buy the fucking CD and "share" your credit card number so the artist who worked so hard to make the album gets his or her due income. If Napster wants to support only groups/musicians that are non-copyrighted, that is perfectly fine, but anytime there is even a single song that could be purchased at the store, it is not sharing, it is theft. You can't walk into Best Buy and grab a CD single and walk out without paying for it, so why would anyone think they can download a single and copy it without paying? If you like a song, do yourself and the rest of the world a favor and buy the CD or listen to the radio. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:53:50 -0500 From: "Stephen van Vuuren" Subject: Napster must die (and reborn like the Phoenix...) As a artist myself, I have no sympathy for the loss of Napstar as it was conceived. As a technologist, however, I feel Napster is fantastic technology tool. But while some may have used it responsibly, many did not. Like CD-Burners... If you enjoy any artist's work and do not make any effort to compensate that artist as much as possible, that artist will probably get "paying" job and not make the art you want anymore. I never burn a CD that's for sale. I never download a copyright audio or visual file without permission from the artist. I yell at everybody (my wife included) who does. I buy art from emerging artists I meet even if it is not the greatest thing ever just to support our fellow artists. I don't care about Metallica losing profits as much as the emerging artists not having a business model to make enough money to keep making their art. If Napster repositioned itself as tool for sharing and compensating emerging artists (try before buy i.e. streaming before download with suitable copy protection), then we're talking a model I think works. And made out-of-print CD's and bootleg's okayed by artists available. And if greedy record companies would let us just download and burn the songs we want so we don't have to shell out $15 to get a track or two. But I'm getting down off the soap box - it's always so slippery on top... stephen www.xiveren.com "It's only after you've lost everything that you're free to do anything." ~Tyler~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:06:20 -0800 From: "Lee Wang 444" Subject: Re: Poe Newsgroup Of course you silly goose! :D >Hey, if I got the ball rolling and started a Poe Newsgroup (would probably >be >alt.music.poe if I could get it approved), would anyone check it out? > >Meghan rambling always Lee Storm sees me dyin he dont feel nuthin. "Do your dreams come true?" "I haven't had a nice dream for years." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:08:19 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Napster Well, *donning asbestos flame suit* what I absolutely LOVE about file sharing software, as well as the warez/crackz/serialz/mp3z "underweb" black market, is that it represents more of the return to true "lais sez faire" capitalism, the last vestiges of which are the common yard sale and any untaxed flea markets and/or "Deadhead" types hawking tye-dye at concerts...as well as the illegal drug business and the real black market underworld (which has its own forms of taxation I suppose). Free enterprise capitalism (lais sez faire means "let the people do what they choose"...more or less) began to erode away some time in the middle of the 19th century and was really dealt a serious blow in the USA with the advent of personal income tax in the early 20th century. Nowdays you practically can't take a crap without getting permission from some sort of crap regulating body and paying a crap fee...this situation sucks out loud. It used to be that anyone could set up any kind of business they wanted and pocket all the profits without intervention or taxation by the feds or the state, who made their money primarily from import duties and property taxes and such. You didn't need a business license to do this either. If big shot "artists" can't live without a few extra millions to add to their many accumulated millions, tough shit! The thing many of you seem unaware of is the fact that those entrenched in the music industry are in a position to steal just about anything they want from any less fortunate musicians who are without the protection of a well connected agent or record contract. In fact, it is quite the normal activity for a lot of them, and is even a sort of closet industry in its own right, procuring musical material...and the music union offers little or no protection, since it is riddled with nepotism and back-scratching of an unsavory sort and is also often employed for wholesale stealing of musical material by those entrenched within it. Turnabout is fair play. It is harder for someone like Poe, who is such a free spirit and has the artistic integrity to not be capable of even enjoying plagiarism, much less practicing it...and she is also often more at odds with that industry than protected by it. It is in the nature of things, though, that people who like Poe's music will most often support her by buying her CDs. Heh, heh...she is "blessed" by her own integrity more than by her industry connections:-) This seems to be the case with a lot of "lesser" artists (lesser in terms of stupor-star status and huge bux anyway) and they have not much to lose and everything to gain from free market file sharing. Suppose I have the ability to figure out note perfectly, by ear, how to play some song from the radio. I teach this song to another person who can't do this and don't even charge them for it. Do the sheet music/songbook publishers have the right to make the government force me to pay them royalties for this, since that person might have been a songbook purchaser? Suppose I learned the song from a songbook and then taught it to someone? In "today's complex society" this sort of thing would be acceptable behavior. Meanwhile, a lot of what the insider pricks actually copyright and take credit for "writing" just amounts to the recycling of public domain, generic musical materials that they merely take turns giving each other credit for. You wouldn't believe the preposterous "dues" you are expected to pay in, for example, the various blues scenes...giving all manner of credit (and credit = recognition = money) to blues players who you never even heard of much less were "influenced" by. And blues is practically entirely comprised of public domain forms and musical ideas...there is hardly any real "writing" going on...it is more about how well you play and what kind of "sound" you manage to achieve. It is almost like you have to have permission to even hear the ideas when someone else plays them unless you scratch the right butts in some nebulous daisy-chain of blues fingers in the pie. If it is fair play for insiders to indulge themselves this way, then it is also fair play for others to make an end run around their bullshit via the internet. It is just free enterprise at work. Those blessed with a little ingenuity will still figure out ways to profit from their activities, they will just be less able to prevent others from doing the same thing. If you have ever played a song for some studio pigs and then actually heard it on the radio by someone else a few weeks later without a penny of the profits coming your way...and had your complaints dismissed with a "well, you gotta pay yer dues" load of shit...well, if these kinds of people are getting burned by Napster, too f**kin' bad...nobody snivels like a big shot it seems. And for every legitimate "suffering artist" band who is on a label, there are countless thousands of others who don't get that break who are just as good, but without good connections. Napster is their godsend. ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #62 **********************************