From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #61 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Tuesday, February 13 2001 Volume 06 : Number 061 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NPR Re: Using NPR [tearinhand ] who, what, where, how poe? [JR ] Re: AP Stickers ["Sarae Montgomery" ] Missing Digests. HELP! [Dan Pusateri ] Re: Fwd: APs DO make a difference!!!!!! Way to go Kori and ALL of US!!! ["J.R. Jobe" ] POE #1 today on HSX.com [AT ] Re: A Small Thing in a Big House of Leaves [Trueluhv2000@aol.com] Re: Napster Shutdown / Poe On Napster. ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: SPR: Napster Shutdown ["Jason Muncy" ] Re: SPR: Napster Shutdown [Rick Joyce ] Re: Napster Shutdown / Poe On Napster. ["kAte :)" ] Re: NPR Music Paper [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: SPR Napster Shutdown ["Debian Linux" ] NPR:Napster Shutdown ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: SPR Napster Shutdown ["Debian Linux" ] WARNING! e-mail contains NPR subject matter [GloryBox84@aol.com] Re: Napster Shutdown / Poe On Napster. [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: SPR Napster Shutdown ["Debian Linux" ] Re: NPR:Napster Shutdown [KrodKnid@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 23:44:23 -0800 (PST) From: tearinhand Subject: NPR Re: Using NPR - --- Edie Sedgewick wrote: > > Guys, > > You can argue about religion, vegetarianism, > homosexuality, chat rooms, T-shirts, silly pop > groups, > French situationalism, Xeno, or whatever you like > till > the cows come home; this was specifically set up as > a > list in which whatever you like can be discussed. > But > I must take exception to some of you mocking the use > of NPR. For I daresay the majority of the APs, > these > sorts of discussions are not what we bargained for > when we joined up. NPR allows the filter of such > extraneous noise. It is ironic that lately, I > actually pay attention to things posted with NPR on > them, because that means the person who posted it is > at least polite and considerate enough to take that > simple step. > > The person who posted about her Tori Amos collection > going up on e-bay is a good recent example of what I > would say is flawless netiquette. They knew people > on > this list would be interested (it wasn't completely > out of the blue), so they put up a simple message > with > NPR in the subject and left it at that. Please try > to > think for just a moment before posting, and review > whether or not what you are putting up is Poe > Related > or not. It will make life better for us all. > > Taxi > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - > only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ I do agree. NPR should be used when you send anything that isn't poe related. My main reason for joining this list was because it is THE Poe list. I expected to get lots of info about things. And I have been getting all the info about the new sings and who's playing Hey Pretty and all that jazz. But I hate having to go through my mail and read things that aren't Poe related to see they aren't related. Its soo much easier for everyone if we would all just follow this one simple rule that is clearly stated in the letter you get when you first joing Angry Psychos Sara ===== "I'm not a habit, I'm a lifestyle. I will not be a habit for a man. Ever." ~Tori Amos~ "i descend from grace in arms of undertow i will take my place in the great below." -Trent Reznor, The Great Below- http://www.crosswinds.net/~tearinhand99/entry.html ~A Girl and Her Piano~ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 00:01:25 -0800 (PST) From: JR Subject: who, what, where, how poe? Now that you are an Angry Psycho, we would love to know: (1) Who you are? Jason (2) Where you're from? Miami...get Poe down here! (3) How old you are? I'll be 25 in two shakes of a lamb's tail! (4) Where you first heard Poe? --My girlfriend's sister when I was in 9th grade. I guess it was 1990... (5) What other musicians do you listen to? There are so many to name...but here are a few besides EVERYthing!!! Dave Matthews Band, Louis Armstrong, Beastie Boys, Smashing Pumpkins (RIP), Paul Van Dyk, DJ Gary Hancock...and the list goes on... (6) Any other interesting information you wish to share. --Rock on poe! Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:37:27 -0500 From: "Sarae Montgomery" Subject: Re: AP Stickers i know.. but i couldn't resist... it left itself wide open for a joke like that! - -s *Madness is the channel by which we receive the greatest blessings* - Socrates - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sarae Montgomery Sarmnstr@earthlink.net Sarae@velvet.net aim / icq Sarae135 / 531038 We're All Mad Here! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- Original Message ----- From: shannon little To: ; Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 9:49 PM Subject: Re: AP Stickers > > hey...that wasnt here..that was like palm beach or soem shit. im in orlando > so :p' hehe > *shan > > > >From: "Sarae Montgomery" > >To: "AP" > >Subject: Re: AP Stickers > >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:31:31 -0500 > > > > > >maybe they're busy trying to count the number of people wanting a > >sticker... > >*duck, hide* > >*Madness is the channel by which we receive > > the greatest blessings* - Socrates > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Sarae Montgomery > >Sarmnstr@earthlink.net > >Sarae@velvet.net > >aim / icq > >Sarae135 / 531038 > > > >We're All Mad Here! > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: ; ; ; > > > >Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 6:52 PM > >Subject: Re: AP Stickers > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/12/01 6:39:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > shamimin56@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > Well then is there anyone in florida that is going to make > >stickers...i > >have > > > > absolutely no ideas on what to make or anyone who could make them. > > > > *Shan > > > > > > > > > > I have yet to find someone in florida making the stickers. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:53:12 -0500 From: Dan Pusateri Subject: Missing Digests. HELP! Could someone do me a huge favor and send me all the digests after #54. My ISP is having problems with their email system and seems to be deleting my mail before I get them. Thanks, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 06:08:51 -0800 (PST) From: "J.R. Jobe" Subject: Re: Fwd: APs DO make a difference!!!!!! Way to go Kori and ALL of US!!! - ---Very cool, now I can finally go to bed. - ---Jobe - --- Dan98908@aol.com wrote: > Wild will NOT be the next single released!!!!!! > Atlantic is so impressed a > how Hey Pretty duest is doing that IT will be the > next single in the Border's > style mix WITH Mark!!!! > > 91X has already added it to the REGULAR rotation!!! > > Atlantic had NOTHING to do with this, it happened > because of US!!!! > > Wild will NOT be shipped THIS week, Hey Pretty will > be shipped likly next > week and we will be letting you know which stations > are adding it to their > play list so you can request it! Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:53:45 From: "Debian Linux" Subject: SPR: Napster Shutdown www.speakout.napster.com , you can go here and send an email to you representatives concerning the Napster shutdown. below is my response which you may feel free to copy and paste into the email field to your representative: The shutdown of Napster is an outrage. Napster file-sharing is wholly non-commercial. It has much value in non-copyrighted music sharing. Me and many other people share music that we have created via this medium. There are many artists who have made their debuts on Napster, intentionally. There are also many artists who have OK'ed the use of Napster to disseminate their "copy-righted" music. This is not to say illegal activity does not take place on Napster. But that is not Napster's responsibility or the responsibility or people like myself who do not abuse the system. Many people, who are not abusing the system have been getting burned by all the idiotic legal maneuverings. For example, I got banned because I had Moby remix of that contained a Metallica sample and the word, "Metallica" in the title. Considering that Moby released this on his album, I ssume that the Remix is legal and since I own this album I can legally have it in whatever format I choose. So why then, was I punished? By shutting down Napster, innocent people are being punished. Napster is not doing anything wrong. People who participate in illegal file-sharing ARE doing something wrong. Just because "they" can't figure out how to police Napster does not mean that it should be taken away from everyone. Not to mention that even if Napster is taken away there are a few hundred other ways to file-share utilities and the large majority are not server-based so there is no way it can be shutdown. So why set an unnecessary precedent? I think the only conceivably correct intervention might be a requirement for Napster to poilice their users. However, it is not feasible. Napster, upon sign-on, tells you that it is illegal to download files that you have not paid for a retail version of. So, with this knowledge in mind, it is each individual person's responsibility to police themselves. Get Big Brother off our backs, please. "Stop, Hey, What's that Sound?"... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 06:56:42 -0800 From: AT Subject: POE #1 today on HSX.com She is the # 1 percent gainer and is the # 2 point gainer as she crosses 3bux.Guess the single is helping. This would be a great day for those who dont really care to go ahead and get over there and buy...people actually read the details on the movers boards to see what/why/who it is, and those of us who do would like to see 4 , or 5 or 6 or 25.Think of it as another vote for your favorite artist thing. AT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:24:33 EST From: Trueluhv2000@aol.com Subject: Re: A Small Thing in a Big House of Leaves In a message dated 2/12/01 7:36:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, flowerburn@yahoo.com writes: > "ba. dah. ba-ba" i know, i know..and it scares me..reading and hearing...its spooky and "haunting" gives me the chills just thinking about it~ love and stuff carri ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:44:18 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: Napster Shutdown / Poe On Napster. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debian Linux" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 2:53 PM Subject: SPR: Napster Shutdown > > www.speakout.napster.com , you can go here and send an email to you > representatives concerning the Napster shutdown. below is my response > which you may feel free to copy and paste into the email field to your > representative: > Then Go To Http://www.Napigator.com and get a copy, it is a Companion to Napster. Start Napster and yes it is DEAD. Next, Start Napigator and choose a server, I am on now with 15,517 other users combined sharing of 4,022,621 individuals files measuring in @ 17, 650 GB of music. OR Go To Http://www.BearShare.Com This is "Gnutella" Much improved, and allows for sharing of ANY file format, not just .mp3's and is just about anonymous. OR Go To Http://www.LimeWire.Com For a Java version that connects to the same network. I heard a story on Http://WBER.Monroe.Edu talk show "Rant" last nite, and I believe they said it was Amy Ghost that was using a BOT to check to see who had her music on Napster, and then they will send a message to that user telling them to go to her site. I am not a BOT, but if someone has an error transferring the file I have a message that I save to use for Copy and Paste operations that says oops sorry go to Http://Poe.Navelsex.com if ya love Poe Go To Http://PolishChick.Com or Stop By Http://Poe.Org for some chat with the AnGrY-PsYcHoS And a similar one for if you have a successful file transfer, inviting the user to visit the Poe sites. I also am able to find other people who have www POE org as part of their mp3 file names in my searches for Poe. n j0y sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:04:55 -0800 From: Sandra Guzman Subject: RE: who, what, where, how poe? 1. Who? Sandy...AKA..GirlYwirlY 2. Where I am from? Los Angeles, CAlifornIa 3. How old? Just turned 21!!!! YAHHOOOO!\ 4. Where I first heard Poe? December 1995....Christmas Eve..TOTALLY SHITTY DAY!! She made it better :) 5. What other musicians do I liste to? Hooverphonic, The New Deal, Metallica, Beck, April March, AIR..and mooore 6. Anymore interesting info? I LOOOVE POE!! SHE IS SOOO COOL. - -----Original Message----- From: JR [mailto:r0t0@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:01 AM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: who, what, where, how poe? Now that you are an Angry Psycho, we would love to know: (1) Who you are? Jason (2) Where you're from? Miami...get Poe down here! (3) How old you are? I'll be 25 in two shakes of a lamb's tail! (4) Where you first heard Poe? --My girlfriend's sister when I was in 9th grade. I guess it was 1990... (5) What other musicians do you listen to? There are so many to name...but here are a few besides EVERYthing!!! Dave Matthews Band, Louis Armstrong, Beastie Boys, Smashing Pumpkins (RIP), Paul Van Dyk, DJ Gary Hancock...and the list goes on... (6) Any other interesting information you wish to share. --Rock on poe! Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 16:22:53 From: "Jason Muncy" Subject: Re: SPR: Napster Shutdown 2 words for Napster users: tough darts I don't give a shit if some people release their stuff for use on Napster. The fact of the matter is that the majority of its users are stealing from musicians. Let's take our own Poe for example. Say my friend Tony likes "Angry Johnny" and "That Day" but instead of buying the CD and putting money in Poe's pocket, he goes to Napter, gets those songs for free and burns them to a CD. I do not know how many people on this list go to college, but every day in our computer lab I see people doing just that- they are trading, they are "checking out new artists" they are fucking ripping off songs that they hear on the radio and are too cheap to buy the CDs that the songs come from. that is theft. Have I ever dubbed a song from a friend's CD? Sure I have and that is also violating the copyright of the music. Anyone who supports their "right" to steal songs off Napster is an idiot who doesn't know jackshit about the law. Let's use another medium for an example. Let's say there is a website where you could download a movie and burn it to a DVD player and have a digital quality film for the cost of a blank DVD. (although the technology is not that cheap as of yet). Guess what- that isn't file sharing- that is stealing. Same as software- I know people who are die hard against pirated software and rant and rave about bootleg video games, yet will download 12GB worth of songs they didn't pay for off Napster. If you want to "share files" online- try this method. go to www.cdnow.com and buy the fucking CD and "share" your credit card number so the artist who worked so hard to make the album gets his or her due income. If Napster wants to support only groups/musicians that are non-copyrighted, that is perfectly fine, but anytime there is even a single song that could be purchased at the store, it is not sharing, it is theft. You can't walk into Best Buy and grab a CD single and walk out without paying for it, so why would anyone think they can download a single and copy it without paying? If you like a song, do yourself and the rest of the world a favor and buy the CD or listen to the radio. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:44:44 -0500 From: Rick Joyce Subject: Re: SPR: Napster Shutdown So, Jason, I guess you'd also look down upon anybody who tapes songs off of the radio? Or music videos off of the TV? It's practically the same thing as downloading songs off of Napster. The vast majority of people that I know who use Napster to download songs from artists that they like end up buying the CD as well. As well, there are a lot of bands that people are interested in that the radio stations, being only interested in playing popular music, would never play. I wouldn't have bought the L7, Lunachicks, or Bikini Kill CDs that I bought if I hadn't been able to hear their music first, and the only way I could do that was through Napster. (There was a big deal about Radiohead's songs from "Kid A" appearing on Napster before the CD came out, but probably nearly everybody who d/led the Radiohead songs also bought the CD...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:07:27 -0500 (EST) From: "kAte :)" Subject: Re: Napster Shutdown / Poe On Napster. Hey all- lurker here coming out of hiding. I can't say just how upset i am that Napster has gone down because i feel that it's one very valuable resource to promote POE- but i think we might have just a little bit of time left on napster because i'm on right at this moment- which is kind of odd because spOOk just said it's already dead. does anyone know for sure when it's going to go down for good? i'd appreciate it. thanks. harper ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:39:42 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re:NPR Tori Amos In a message dated 2/12/01 11:38:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > I don't mean to be rude....if I am please don't take this seriously and > disregard this.... > > > But i feel that since this is a group of angry-psychos...for POE...I would > think most of us want to keep it that way. > I can understand how you might feel that way, but maybe you can see it this way. No one is taking anything away from Poe by mentioning another artist. There are other artists out there, and since the person IS right, there have been quite a few Tori fans that have shown up on this list, they thought they might let the rest of them know about this collection they have up. It was one statement, and any convo that might have started from it would have died within a day. I am on several mailing lists for various musicians. Everyone does talk about other artists, but they always go right back to the musician that they are there for. It doesn't take anything away from the artist that they are there for. I'm sure whoever went to go bid on the Tori collection, would just as readily buy something from Poe if they didn't already have it. I don't care if people go onto tangents about anything else, because the conversation always goes straight back to the original topic. Every time. Now I'm just blabbering. I have to learn to get more sleep at night. Sheesh. I did have a point but I lost it somewhere. I think it was along the lines of someone talking about another artist isn't going to make people any less devoted to Poe. If you feel that way, fine. Didn't the person put NPR up in the subject anyway? I thought that's why we had that. sp00k's right, we should make use of that as often as possible. I'm not the best at it, because I forget, but i try. I honestly do. Black Dove, who's thinking about going back to bed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:49:37 -0600 From: "Anthony Bender" Subject: Re: SPR: Napster Shutdown Do you think that the artists get paid for every record they sell or that they sign a contract and get paid x- amount of money per album? Did they physically make millions of CDs or just one recording that itself was copied? If you buy a car and your friend wants to use it and you let him, is that stealing from Ford or Dodge? Should they have to buy the whole thing? I d/l songs from Napster. I got to hear the cd before I bought it. I liked what I heard with Poe's new release and I bought it. If the companies would lower the prices of CDs this wouldn't be such a big topic but at $15 dollars a pop, thats alot of money to wager on a CD you haven't heard. If I buy a radio, car, house or CD it becomes mine and is mine to do with, as long as i am not using it for profit. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Muncy" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: SPR: Napster Shutdown > > 2 words for Napster users: tough darts > I don't give a shit if some people release their stuff for use on Napster. > The fact of the matter is that the majority of its users are stealing from > musicians. Let's take our own Poe for example. Say my friend Tony likes > "Angry Johnny" and "That Day" but instead of buying the CD and putting money > in Poe's pocket, he goes to Napter, gets those songs for free and burns them > to a CD. I do not know how many people on this list go to college, but every > day in our computer lab I see people doing just that- they are trading, they > are "checking out new artists" they are fucking ripping off songs that they > hear on the radio and are too cheap to buy the CDs that the songs come from. > that is theft. > Have I ever dubbed a song from a friend's CD? Sure I have and that is also > violating the copyright of the music. Anyone who supports their "right" to > steal songs off Napster is an idiot who doesn't know jackshit about the law. > Let's use another medium for an example. Let's say there is a website where > you could download a movie and burn it to a DVD player and have a digital > quality film for the cost of a blank DVD. (although the technology is not > that cheap as of yet). Guess what- that isn't file sharing- that is > stealing. Same as software- I know people who are die hard against pirated > software and rant and rave about bootleg video games, yet will download 12GB > worth of songs they didn't pay for off Napster. If you want to "share files" > online- try this method. go to www.cdnow.com and buy the fucking CD and > "share" your credit card number so the artist who worked so hard to make the > album gets his or her due income. > If Napster wants to support only groups/musicians that are non-copyrighted, > that is perfectly fine, but anytime there is even a single song that could > be purchased at the store, it is not sharing, it is theft. You can't walk > into Best Buy and grab a CD single and walk out without paying for it, so > why would anyone think they can download a single and copy it without > paying? If you like a song, do yourself and the rest of the world a favor > and buy the CD or listen to the radio. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:51:41 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR Music Paper In a message dated 2/12/01 11:38:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > or anyone concerned, I'm not particularly asking > anyone to do my research for me. I will be doing > plenty of research on my own, but not until late > February/early March. I am simply asking for some > names of songs now so that I can get a jump start on > my research and have some starting points from which > to set out. :). > > Thanks a bunch! Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start the Fire"!!!!!!!!!!!! You got yourself like 100 events right then and there! Yeah, I'm a huge Billy Joel fan...I have that entire song memorized...sad... Anyway, if you don't want one like that, there's another Billy Joel song about the Vietnam war. It's awesome because when he does it live, the lights go down right before the chorus, and then when they come back up for the chorus, he had about 6 men standing there that were supposed to be Vietnam vets, and they sang the chorus "We would all go down together!" It was so...amazing...then the song has cool sound effects like helicopter wings and stuff... Here's the song: Goodnight Saigon We met as soul mates On Parris Island We left as inmates From an asylum And we were sharp As sharp as knives And we were so gung ho To lay down our lives We came in spastic Like tameless horses We left in plastic As numbered corpses And we learned fast To travel light Our arms were heavy But our bellies were tight We had no home front We had no soft soap They sent us Playboy They gave us Bob Hope We dug in deep And shot on sight And prayed to Jesus Christ With all of our might We had no cameras To shoot the landscape We passed the hash pipe And played our Doors tapes And it was dark So dark at night And we held on to each other Like brother to brother We promised our mothers we'd write And we would all go down together We said we'd all go down together Yes we would all go down together Remember Charlie Remember Baker They left their childhood On every acre And who was wrong? And who was right? It didn't matter in the thick of the fight We held the day In the palm Of our hand They ruled the night And the night Seemed to last as long as six weeks On Parris Island We held the coastline They held the highlands And they were sharp As sharp as knives They heard the hum of our motors They counted the rotors And waited for us to arrive And we would all go down together We said we'd all go down together Yes we would all go down together ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:55:12 From: "Debian Linux" Subject: Re: SPR Napster Shutdown you are obviously confusing sharing and theft. theft is the act of downloading a shared file that you do not own the retail version of AND keeping it for more than 24 hours. so the trading of these copyrighted songs is legal. it is what people do with them that can be construed as illegal. Jason Muncy Said:>>>2 words for Napster users: tough darts I don't give a shit if some people release their stuff for use on Napster. The fact of the matter is that the majority of its users are stealing from musicians. Let's take our own Poe for example. Say my friend Tony likes "Angry Johnny" and "That Day" but instead of buying the CD and putting money in Poe's pocket, he goes to Napter, gets those songs for free and burns them to a CD. I do not know how many people on this list go to college, but every day in our computer lab I see people doing just that- they are trading, they are "checking out new artists" they are fucking ripping off songs that they hear on the radio and are too cheap to buy the CDs that the songs come from. that is theft. Have I ever dubbed a song from a friend's CD? Sure I have and that is also violating the copyright of the music. Anyone who supports their "right" to steal songs off Napster is an idiot who doesn't know jackshit about the law. Let's use another medium for an example. Let's say there is a website where you could download a movie and burn it to a DVD player and have a digital quality film for the cost of a blank DVD. (although the technology is not that cheap as of yet). Guess what- that isn't file sharing- that is stealing. Same as software- I know people who are die hard against pirated software and rant and rave about bootleg video games, yet will download 12GB worth of songs they didn't pay for off Napster. If you want to "share files" online- try this method. go to www.cdnow.com and buy the fucking CD and "share" your credit card number so the artist who worked so hard to make the album gets his or her due income. If Napster wants to support only groups/musicians that are non-copyrighted, that is perfectly fine, but anytime there is even a single song that could be purchased at the store, it is not sharing, it is theft. You can't walk into Best Buy and grab a CD single and walk out without paying for it, so why would anyone think they can download a single and copy it without paying? If you like a song, do yourself and the rest of the world a favor and buy the CD or listen to the radio. <<< - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:57:37 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: NPR:Napster Shutdown I live in Rochester NY, I listen to WBER live on the air, and on my computer. The law says it is OK under the home recording act for me to Tape Record Music, http://www.altculture.com/aentries/a/audioxhome.html so when POE is on WBER I tape it, Thats the LAW. Its a TAPE, I can take it with me any place I like, including the Bug Jar Http://bugjar.com to be played during haPPy hour, that may be against the law, or to all my friends homes etc... All this time, people have been making tapes, and the RECORD industy still thrives. I have software on my computer that allows me to RECORD the same thing I hear on the air from WBER to my computer instead of a TAPE. If I Record POE to my computer from a radio station, where is the big difference? In MY case as with MOST people I would guess, is that I am not going to haul my computer over to the Bug Jar or anyplace else so I can play my mp3s. What if I take my home made tape of the radio broadcast, and play it back and record it onto my computer? Can you tell me it is OK to make the tape but then tell me how I can use it in my home? Is it OK for me to make a TAPE of a live audiocast on my computer or would that be an .mp3 on Tape and be against the LAW? Will we have a special department of the LAW that will be in charge of looking inside of peoples tape players to find out if you are using tapes of radio brodcasts or taped copies of mp3s? That is what the courts are now saying, they are now defining by law what a computer is and isn't, and they are now saying it is NOT a home recording device... For the RECORD, I have MANY RECORDS on my computer, no matter what the LAW says, they are RECORDS of many things in a variety of formats, so it MUST be a RECORDING device. This is more about WHO will control the legal distribution of online music, who will get the MONEY, and I doubt the artist will get the lions share of the loot, under the current legal manuvering. Burn your own CD's? The only CD I ever purposely set out to make is an Xmas CD with 17 cuts of alternative bands. Finding the stuff online, converting files from .mp3 to .wav , burning the CD, can take hours or days, I got better things to do. Just like Microsoft is more interested in businesses that are running multiple stolen copies of its operating systems, I'm sure the record industry has much more to fear from say someone that can mass produce copies of "Haunted" and sell them for like 3 bux. Persoanly, I do not know anybody with the time or resources for such an undertkaking, and I would suspect that such individuals are a vast minority of people who listen to .mp3s @ any rate time is on the side of the artists, they are going to cut the record industry out as the middle man who takes all the profits, and take control of the distribution of their music, and who knows, maybe the recorded prodcuct will be (or remain) the loss leader, requiring that the artist get out and tour to make money, I'm not sure that is such a bad thing. The entire controversey is a BONUS for anybody tied to music, thats why they are all hollering so loud, when is the last time MUSIC got this much sustained front page attention? Except metallica, I never see them no more.... . Say what you want, .mp3s are here to stay just as sure as you can't outlaw AIR. sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:03:33 From: "Debian Linux" Subject: Re: SPR Napster Shutdown I DO have the right to do whatever the hell i want with that music, with the exception of copying it for resale. I did not send it. It was accessed. That's semantics. Anyone is allowed to copy that file and listen to it for a period of 24 hours. In no way are my actions as bad as stealing or selling his music. In fact, I am helping sell his albums for no financial return to me! I paid for my copy and all I did was advertise for Moby. Now if someone else wants to steal Moby's music from me, then that is their crime. >>>>Jason Muncy Wrote:<<<< for the record, YOU own the Moby album with the remix, so sure that is legal, but who in the hell were you trying to send it to who did NOT own the album.. Moby got permission to sample whereas you do not have permission or the right to send Moby's song to someone who is not paying for it In a very real sense it is the same as selling and receiving stolen property, which is a crime <<<<<>>>>>><<<<>>>>><<>><><>< - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 14:59:21 EST From: GloryBox84@aol.com Subject: WARNING! e-mail contains NPR subject matter In a message dated 2/13/2001 10:47:41 AM Central Standard Time, jmuncy@hotmail.com writes: > 2 words for Napster users: tough darts > I don't give a shit if some people release their stuff for use on Napster. > The fact of the matter is that the majority of its users are stealing from > musicians. Let's take our own Poe for example. Say my friend Tony likes > "Angry Johnny" and "That Day" but instead of buying the CD and putting > money > in Poe's pocket, he goes to Napter, gets those songs for free and burns > them > to a CD. I do not know how many people on this list go to college, but > every > day in our computer lab I see people doing just that- they are trading, > they > are "checking out new artists" they are fucking ripping off songs that they > hear on the radio and are too cheap to buy the CDs that the songs come > from. > that is theft. > Have I ever dubbed a song from a friend's CD? Sure I have and that is also > violating the copyright of the music. Anyone who supports their "right" to > steal songs off Napster is an idiot who doesn't know jackshit about the > law. > Let's use another medium for an example. Let's say there is a website where > you could download a movie and burn it to a DVD player and have a digital > quality film for the cost of a blank DVD. (although the technology is not > that cheap as of yet). Guess what- that isn't file sharing- that is > stealing. Same as software- I know people who are die hard against pirated > software and rant and rave about bootleg video games, yet will download > 12GB > worth of songs they didn't pay for off Napster. If you want to "share > files" > online- try this method. go to www.cdnow.com and buy the fucking CD and > "share" your credit card number so the artist who worked so hard to make > the > album gets his or her due income. > If Napster wants to support only groups/musicians that are non-copyrighted, > that is perfectly fine, but anytime there is even a single song that could > be purchased at the store, it is not sharing, it is theft. You can't walk > into Best Buy and grab a CD single and walk out without paying for it, so > why would anyone think they can download a single and copy it without > paying? If you like a song, do yourself and the rest of the world a favor > Maybe this is what they plan to do about it anyway, but I think they should provide free music from artists that rant permission...And if I had an album out, I would allow it. I have spent hundreds of dollars on albums by obscure groups which I have been able to check out through Napster. If I hear of ANY band with which I am unfamiliar, I get on Napster, download 3 songs by the group/artist, listen to them until I know them inside and out, then delete them from my computer. I also use Napster to listen to songs that are out of print or hard to get my hands on through my other means (local stores, CDNOW, and Amazon). That can't do any harm, because the artists aren't capable of making money off of them anywhere if they aren't available. My library also includes tv theme songs, which couldn't possibly be ripping off some poor soul. Of course not everyone is honest enough to support artists, but having Napster has actually enriched my life (yeah I know that sounds stupid). - - --Kim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:27:16 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Napster Shutdown / Poe On Napster. In a message dated 2/13/2001 12:26:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, keharper@mailbox.syr.edu writes: > Hey all- lurker here coming out of hiding. I can't say just how upset i > am > that Napster has gone down because i feel that it's one very valuable > resource to promote POE- but i think we might have just a little bit of > time left on napster because i'm on right at this moment- which is kind of > odd because spOOk just said it's already dead. does anyone know for sure > when it's going to go down for good? i'd appreciate it. thanks. > > harper > Well, there appear to be plenty of servers that didn't shut down when Napster did, 'cause I am on Napster right now too, and doing fine...and I didn't even use Napigator like SpoOk did to get a server...I just left Napster running for a while and then tried connecting again...voila! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:30:00 From: "Debian Linux" Subject: Re: SPR Napster Shutdown then maybe you should change the people you know... and stop assuming that everyone on the Internet, who you DO NOT know is like all the thieves you know... BTW, I keep songs for 24 hrs if I don't own them. I think Napster is/was an excellent method fro discovering and previewing new artists or artists you've never heard of. One thing that really pisses me off is that I am a DJ/Producer. Any music I create I share out on Napster and when friends/family/etc. ask about my work i give them my napster name and tell them to d/l and listen. but people like you want to take that simplicity away from me. thanks. <>><>Jason Muncy Wrote<><><> LOL and how many people do you know who just keep the song for 24 hrs? everyone I know keeps it for the life of their hard drive. <><><><><><><><><><><><><> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:33:06 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR:Napster Shutdown In a message dated 2/13/2001 1:14:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, rmorale2@rochester.rr.com writes: > Burn your own CD's? The only CD I ever purposely set out to make is an Xmas > CD with 17 cuts of alternative bands. > > Finding the stuff online, converting files from .mp3 to .wav , burning the > CD, can take hours or days, I got better things to do. > So get Nero Burning ROM software...it can burn to cd right from MP3 on the fly. ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #61 **********************************