From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #57 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Sunday, February 11 2001 Volume 06 : Number 057 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: another mailing list [KoriG@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #56 [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: [not] another mailing list [KoriG@aol.com] NPR: Tori Amos [Nora Lynne ] Re: another chat room ["shannon little" ] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #56 [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: [not] another mailing list ["shannon little" ] Re: God NPR (where NPR is due) [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: another mailing list ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #56 [Dracovixen@aol.com] Poe, NPR, God Stuff, etc. [Dax ] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #56 [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: free will ["Tori Amos" ] Re: NPR: Tori Amos [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: another chat room ["Marshall Pierce" ] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #56 [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #56 ["sp00k@poe.org" Hi, since we are on the subject of the inability of AOL users to use the >net, and in particular the http://poe.org chat, I have two questions. > > > >1. KoriG, why are you trying to move list members to a chat on AOL, thus >dividing the mailing list, when it is quite obvious that AOL users can >use >http://poe.org chat, since YOU (and many AOL users) have used it many times >yourself. Don't get me wrong, AOL is its own little world, and should >certainly have pointers to the REAL internet, but I think it is rather >sad >that instead of helping AOL users on the list join the rest of us on >http://poe.org you are asking them to go back to AOL and at the same time >creating a barrier for those of us who do not use AOL I had hoped you would be more mature than to see things that way. Wishful thinking? As I said in my first message, I in NO suggested an AOL chatroom as a means to take away from or compete with the IRC room. It is merely a simple second option, and moreso intended for the purpose of SPREADING the word about Poe to people who do not know of her or her new album. #poe smacks much more as being for people already IN the know, that fans have to make an effort to find. You can scoff all you want at AOL's extreme simplicity, but that's what makes it great as a promotional tool. The people, the kids, the computer lovers, though not experts are camped out there. It's a DAMN easy way to bring the mountain to Mohammed. >Last week you got the ball rolling against http://poe.org on the sticker >issue, by saying that Atlantic should handle it because they own >http://poe.org , considering your VAST knowledge of the music industry, I >was surprised you said this. Aside from the fact that you were wrong, I >think it is more important that apparently who actually owns http://poe.org >is of little significance to you. Does that now make it OK to make >Http://Poe.Org stickers ? You also wanted to create a discussion group >for >HOL which is great, but wanted to exclude those who had read the book, > this >week you are working purposely or not, on killing the chat at >http://poe.org altogether. As for the sticker issue, I said that we should consider leaving promoting (or making stickers promoting) www.p-o-e.com to Atlantic because it is THEIR responsibility. If we are putting OUR dollars into making stickers, then why not focus that money on OURS, as in the FANS', sites? APs have created some great sites that are more than worthy of attention and traffic, and I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd like to support and promote those. > Don't you think you should mention that you >regularly come to http://poe.org chat and insult people because they aren't >talking? That perhaps YOU don't like http://poe.org chat because we don't >chat the way YOU think we should? If you want a chat of your own just say >so, but please don't discourage people by implying that using http://poe.org >is a negative or difficult experience, when all of the AOL users you talk >about connecting to, are fully able to use http://poe.org . First of all, I joke, I do not insult. And in my experience of 10 years plus online chatting, I find it insulting when one enters a chatroom and no one responds, or has to wait an extended period of time for ANY sort of response... but hey, that may just be me. So, as you just told me to, open a chat of my own and my post was my act of telling people so and my intentions with said chat. I never at any time discouraged the use of #poe. I een stated that, if I was to dedicate a time of the week to definitely keep the room open, it wouldn't even be on a Thursday, much less at the time of the official IRC chat. >I exchanged a couple e-mails with Jarrod on the subject of http://poe.org >when the sticker "ISSUE" came up. >It is apparent that he would like to see Http://Poe.Org as a site for, >Poe and her FANS. Just like anybody else, if someone has even the slightest problem with anything I say or do, I welcome... I INSIST they just tell me. I don't state all my ideas as "IDEAS" and close posts with "Any thoughts?" for nothing. >We had an Atlantic rep who was supposed to visit #poe on a regular basis, >we have had one visit, and haven't heard from her since... Since the sale of >Time Warner /AOL/ Atlantic? Maybe Atlantic and the "Rep" will be more >friendly to KoriG and her AOL Poe Chat? Is this the kind of >AOL/TW/Atlantic/Poe exclusion you wrote about a couple weeks ago? I >hate >being manipulated.... AOL friendly.... yeah that sounds right, TW Owns >AOL owns Atlantic, who owns Poe and the Rep? Oh well I'm just a PsYcHo, > why are you surprised at my conspiracy theory? I honestly cannot make any statements as to this topic, because I have no idea what the label will do in the near future following the merger. Hell, I'm sure there is MUCH they have not even considered yet, much less planned. >It is UNFORTUNATE that this MASSIVE VOID exists between Jarrod and Atlantic, >not only because it leaves http://poe.org in limbo, but because it defeats >any attempt at centralization of efforts on ANY issue, bumper stickers, >chats, T-shirts, go right down the line. Can you imagine what some >organizations would give to have 700 online helpers? While not totally >wasted, our current divisions will continue to hamper any effort at any >SUSTAINED momentum that might be possible with this group. Again, I am not an employee of the label in any way, so I cannot make any statements for or against this "void" you speak of. Though I do find it odd that you are stating over and over how Jarrod is so upset with this matter or that, yet to the best of my knowledge, I personally do not recall seeing anything from him. I am really interested to hear his points of view. >Those of you who are on AOL and resent being labeled as unable to use the >internet, guess what, everybody else has the same "newbie" problems, no >matter who your ISP is. Most people who have problems getting into the >chat >the first time at http://poe.org due to browser issues, turn right around >and get a copy of mIRC @ http://www.mirc.com AOL users INCLUDED, and are >on >chat within minutes. If you need help, ASK, many people on this list >get lots of help, by ASKING, if you don't say something, we won't know you >need help. And once we hook them in the AOL room, we will strongly encourage them to come to the irc chat. When you want to bring people to a website, where do you put up banners for it... only on the website itself? Um, kinda useless if you ask me. KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 20:19:42 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #56 In a message dated 2/10/01 7:41:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > As for all the evil shit that goes down in this bandwidth of the space/time > continuum... what was the name of that tree in the garden ..."The tree of > knowledge of GOOD and EVIL" was it not? It wasn't a friggin' apple! I would like to focus on this apple thing. Supposedly, it WAS an apple that they bit from, that gave them this thrill of knowledge. The apple had long been a symbol of the Mother Goddess, which the patriarchial Christianity sought to extinguish, so by making the bad fruit an apple, and then making it a woman who first bit from it, and so on, and I doubt I really need to get into the rest of Christianity's disempowerment of women. Anyway, I know a lot fo the Wiccans (if there are any on this list) probably know what I am talking about. Did you ever notice that if you cut an apple in half, it makes a star? A pentagram, or a pentacle. Another reason why the star surrounded by a circle is considered a bad image. And hey, the number 13 was also a sacred number of the Mother Goddess. Today the number 13 is considered bad luck...wonder why that is? :::sarcasm drips here::: Anyway, just had to add my 2 cents. Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 20:20:03 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: [not] another mailing list In a message dated 2/10/01 8:28:35 PM, rmorale2@rochester.rr.com writes: >I have never come out against reaching NEW people, I have been looking >for >new ways to intro Poe's music to new listeners as much as the next person, >I guess I just don't appreciate hearing about all the things that are WRONG >with http://poe.org / #poe with no appreciation for all the things that >are >RIGHT about it, to the point that others would be encouraged to believe >http://poe.org is DEAD, it is not. I only mentioned "all the things WRONG with poe.org" when you mentioned the short-comings of an AOL room. In my initial suggestion, (which was just that at the time... a SUGGESTION,) I said NOTHING against #poe, only pointed out how an AOL room could help us. And maybe there is something wrong with my computer, but every time I go to poe.org, all I see is a few pictures, some vague statements, and I guess what is supposed to be #poe, (but as I said, it doesn't work on MY computer. I must access #poe thru mIRC.) And frankly, I like being able to check and see if my friends are online and in a chat area with just a couple of clicks. To the best of my current knowledge, that is not possible with IRC, but if it is, please, someone educate me. > If you spent 2 minutes on > upgrading your IRC knowledge I'd hardly say it would put you in the > "Techno-snob" catagory. I prefer AOL chatting, you prefer IRC. I never stated you needed to get AOL to please me, so why does everyone have to go get and learn IRC to please you? Please be fair-minded here. I really don't like arguing over such a trivial issue. I just want to do what is best for Poe, and I think that should be to try to reach as many people as possible by any reasonable means. I'm sorry you do not see it that way. KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 20:31:45 -0500 (EST) From: Nora Lynne Subject: NPR: Tori Amos I have noticed there are a few Tori Amos fans on this list, so I just wanted to let you guys know that I placed my Tori Collection on ebay. Just look at seller hotbutteredpagan. Thanks. Turtle ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 20:40:59 -0500 From: "shannon little" Subject: Re: another chat room Hey...like where is it? in townsquare? Friends? what? i cant find it anywhere. HELP!!! :) *Shan >From: JezebeIlnHeII@aol.com >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: Re: another chat room >Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:53:39 EST > > >In a message dated 2/10/01 1:37:12 AM Alaskan Standard Time, >Dan98908@aol.com >writes: > ><< I have been running a room called PoeMusic >> >The problem is when u r searching for a room. u have to know what you are >searching for. Anyone searching on aol for Poe.... would find Poe... but >probably not PoeMusic... unless they actually scanned all the rooms. >Anyhow. >whatever y'all call it. i'll be there :-) > >~jez _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 20:45:12 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #56 In a message dated 2/10/01 7:41:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > Not at all because your forgetting one important fact, Lucifer (Satan) had > freewill as well. Sure God created him as and probably knew what he was > going to do but it was up to Lucifer to decide to take the glory away from > God. His punishment along with 1/3 of heavens angles was to be sent to hell. > Satan knows that in the end he will be destroyed by God. He lacks the power > to harm God directly but he can and does hurt him in the only way he can, by > taking his children away from him. He does this in many ways. His favorite > I've seen is convincing people neither he nor God exists. If they don't > exist why pray, go to church, or follow the laws written in the bible? Exactly! Why pray, go to church, and follow the laws written in the Bible. I'll tell you why, because the dogmatism of the church (which is ruled by men, therefore flawed) told you to! The Bible was written by men (therefore flawed and slanted). I'm amazed that so many people follow it at all. Riddled with inconsistencies and contradictions, and exemplifying a punishing, jealous God, it's a real wonder. Religion is the opiate of the masses. I would think such intelligent people would realize that by now. Christianity is only so widespread because of where it began, and because it had the best propaganda. It started within the Roman Empire, and the Roman Empire spread across quite a bit of land, if you remember. The Emperor Constantine became a Christian, and he and his successors began sacking pagan temples and forcing the pagans to convert. Then, with such written lines such as "Be fruitful and multiply" and "Spread the word of God", and using force, and intertwining pagan Gods into their religion to sucker pagans into it (ex- St Bridget was actually once the Celtic goddess Brigid), and having their holidays around pagan holidays (Christmas around the Winter Solstice, Easter close to the Spring Equinox, etc.), they got a lot of converts. Also, the exceedingly easy step of "if you believe in Jesus you will be saved, and go to Heaven, oh and don't forget to go to confession and do penance for your sins"...remarkably easy steps for anyone who's lazy. BTW- Why do you think the common colors of Christmas are red and green? They were pagan colors. And why do you think we have bunny rabbits and eggs for Easter? Because they were symbols of fertility and the goddess of the old pagan holiday Oestre (Or Ostara, or Oestra). So, before you assume that us nonbelievers were tricked by Satan, make sure you weren't tricked by a bunch of power-hungry HUMANS. On another note: You don't have to believe in God in order to be a moral person. You don't have to go to church or follow the bible in order to be a true Christian. A true Christian follows Christ's teachings, and accepts him as their savior. That is all Jesus asks of his followers. Hence the word "Christian". I wasn't going to say anything in this convo about God, because I think everyone is entitled to their beliefs. But once you start making judgments on others, or implying that they are stupid, tricked, whatever, or if anyone tries to shove it down other people's throats, I will say something. I'm sorry if I offended the other Christians on this list who weren't saying anything and were just living and letting others live. I respect your beliefs, but I am not sorry for what i said, as it is the truth. However, everyone is welcome to believe whatever they want to believe. Have a nice day. Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 20:46:35 -0500 From: "shannon little" Subject: Re: [not] another mailing list Well ive never been able to get onto a poe chat..ive tried with mIRC and they said the server is full so ive tried with poe.org and its only come up one time to the chat.. *Shan >From: KoriG@aol.com >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [not] another mailing list >Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:27:29 EST > > >In a message dated 2/10/01 5:21:18 PM, meghan@sugar-star.net writes: > > >How would YOU like it if one day you just couldn't get on dalnet, > > > >so you couldn't access the chat? If the web site was gone, you couldn't > > > >access it that way either > >Lately, I have found many evenings or complete days where I could not >access >the room, as have others. And I have NEVER been able to access it via >poe.org. The site doesn't agree with my Mac, or my browser, or the >combination of my Mac and browser. And I know for fact that I am not the >only >person with this problem. But I've yet to complain about it. I worked my >way >around it, in spite of the cumbersomeness (that a word?) of IRC. > >KORi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 20:50:28 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: God NPR (where NPR is due) In a message dated 2/10/2001 2:04:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, commissioner_jobe@yahoo.com writes: > . Oh yeah, we live on the planet Hell. > > As a matter of fact...but that's another rant. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:00:12 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: another mailing list - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 7:10 PM Subject: Re: another mailing list > > As for being more memorable, I guess we just have differing opinions there. I took a survey of bumper watching consumers. > And as for it going to "LIVE APs".... hardly. Sure, there may be people "in" > there, but a person could have to wait an hour for someone to actually > respond. First of all, you negate all of the information that has been handed out by the people that populate #poe on a regular basis, You tell me that is just the way IRC rooms are, and that if I don't > like it, I can go to another room. I suggested that there are 50,000 channels on Dal Net, and if you were bored during the lull in chat on #poe, you might want to explore some of the other 49,999 choices available to you. Well, this IS the way AOL rooms are > handled, and the way I prefer myself, as do some others, so I'm simply doing > as you told me. > > > >Isn't the idea > > >here in THIS instance to bring people TOGETHER? The AP's must be one of the > > >most wickedly DIVERSE GROUPS on the net, but the keyword is GROUP. Must we > > >be so diverse that even as a group we have to go to seperate places to meet? > > >and ppl say I am messed uP. > > > For the millionth time, THIS IS NOT A SEPARATE OR REPLACEMENT ROOM, it's > meant as an easy way to reach new people who wouldn't know or learn of #poe > otherwise, or who want to hang out in a Poe chat where, when they see that > people are in the room, those people are actually conversing, and not just > being some place-holders. > > I do not wish to state which is my favorite Poe fan site, but I will say > this: I tend to prefer sites with the most up-to-date info, features, > (universal, working features, that is) ease of use, etc. If this makes me > lazy, so sue me. > > KORi > Ya know it is so much easier for you to sit and critisize, I've met people like you before, and I will tell you the same thing I tell them, if you think the way #poe works is so bad, then YOU come to #poe on a regular basis, and YOU help the NUMEROUS people that come through there looking for ways to hook up with Poe information, instead of going on about how difficult it is to use, and how terrible it is that people that are in there do not always talk, try taking some of the NEGATVIE edge off of it that you may feel PERSONALY just because its not the way it is on AOL sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:03:20 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #56 In a message dated 2/10/01 7:41:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > Hi, since we are on the subject of the inability of AOL users to use the > net, and in particular the http://poe.org chat, I have two questions. I'm an AOL user, and I can use the internet, so get that stick out of your ass. > > 1. KoriG, why are you trying to move list members to a chat on AOL, thus > dividing the mailing list, when it is quite obvious that AOL users can use > http://poe.org chat, since YOU (and many AOL users) have used it many times > yourself. Don't get me wrong, AOL is its own little world, and should > certainly have pointers to the REAL internet, but I think it is rather sad > that instead of helping AOL users on the list join the rest of us on > http://poe.org you are asking them to go back to AOL and at the same time > creating a barrier for those of us who do not use AOL Do you realize how nearly impossible it can be for people to even find the Poe website and IRC chat? You put her name in a search engine, and you get 10 million things on Edgar Allan Poe. Not everyone knows how to do the advanced search or anything. Kori's idea may actually introduce more people to Poe, who do not feel like trying more than once. or, someone might think it is a chat about Edgar Allan Poe, and go in to talk, but find out about this amazing artist known as Poe. We could certainly tell them about the IRC chat, and the angry psychos mailing list. I would be happy to tell them! You get so guarded about this IRC chat, and this mailing list. Relax! We're all here for Poe, not your ego. If starting an AOL chat brings in more fans who use AOL what's the problem with that? Seriously, you've got to cool down. > > 2. KoriG, could you start a new AP mailing list, for all the Fake ID, AOL > TROLLS who can't use NPR ? That would be VERY appreciated. Oh, yes, let's crucify people for not using NPR, oh my god, the horror...You're mad at Kori, why add the rest of us AOL users into it? You're certainly not making any friends, fans, or anything...Except for maybe people saying "Wow, that spook certainly has a stick up his ass if it ever comes to anything about deviating away from this particular list or he IRC chat..." >. If you need help, ASK, many people on this list get > lots of help, by ASKING, if you don't say something, we won't know you need > help. > > sp00k etc ... You could have said that from the beginning instead of insulting the AOL users on the list. Really, spook, there's this thing called tact. Ever heard of it? You claim to want to help Poe, but you get so uptight if anyone wants to do something different. Sometimes it's that difference that people need in order to discover something new and exciting. If you disagreed with Kori, you didn't have to attack her (I'm not really trying to protect her here, or saying that she's perfect, but who is?). You could have handled it better, so any slack you get now, you brought upon yourself. Remember that. Cherish it. :) Learn from it. Get some people skills. Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:04:08 -0800 From: Dax Subject: Poe, NPR, God Stuff, etc. Personally, I joined this list to stay in the loop on Poe, and to meet other people w/ this shared interest. While I think it is fine for people to post NPR thoughts and questions, I think the level of debate that this list has come to represent grows a bit tiresome. Would anyone else be up for the idea of developing a seperate Angry Psycho NPR list so that those that want to join these forums may do so, and those who want primarily Poe related info can get just that. I don't mean to be a jerk but I think I am probably not the only angry psycho who would rather steer clear of the rampant arguments & debates & just focus on the music and how to promote it. If no one else feels this way, I'll shut up, but I think there are probably quite a few who feel the same way and that we might even loose some angry psychos who just get tired of all the excess and leave the list. I am happy to hear replies in either direction, you may want to reply to me directly so that it doesn't way down the list.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:08:04 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #56 In a message dated 2/10/01 7:41:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > I think this should be the end of this thread. No one has anything different > to say, no one has any other solutions. But the bottom line is that it's not > FAIR to exclude those of us who love Poe as much as anyone on AOL does from > accessing the chat and mailing lists. You people act like AOL is some sort of conspiracy against you. Did you think that AOL users were going to keep things from you? They'll be talking about the same exact shit that's talked about on the IRC chat. It's not dividing the list. I didn't think she was trying to be exclusive. It might introduce more fans or potential fans to Poe. Get over yourselves. - -V ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 00:09:30 -0200 From: "Tori Amos" Subject: Re: free will I've read little about him..... but he based some of hir theories on Epicure's also. It's very cool cause when Epicure wrote his theory about moral codes and ethic, Christ didn't even "exist" lol Psycho Tori - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 3:34 PM Subject: Re: free will > > In a message dated 2/10/01 1:41:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, > owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > > > ok well these are just my thought on the God issue... > > we were born with free-will (hence the free will to make dicisions > > like killing and raping, etc.) > > Ever read Spinoza? He had an interesting theory about free will....I'll try > my best to explain it... Everything we do in life is predetermined by how we > grew up, how we were enculturated, things like that. When we are met with > choices, we make decisions about those choices going off of earlier > experiences...Once we make the choice, it's easy to see that that was the > choice we were going to make anyway, we were always fated to make that > choice...If we explained Spinoza's theory to someone who is about to make a > choice, and just to prove Spinoza wrong makes the choice that is not in with > their nature or pattern, they were fated to do that anyway because it was in > their nature to be contradictory and prove Spinoza (and subsequently their > friend) wrong....yet they would only prove him right. > Anyone understand what I mean? > Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:14:10 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Tori Amos In a message dated 2/10/2001 8:39:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, hotbutteredpagan@cutey.com writes: > I have noticed there are a few Tori Amos fans on this list, so I just wanted > to let you guys know that I placed my Tori Collection on ebay. Just look at > seller hotbutteredpagan. Thanks. > Turtle > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > A few...A FEW...this list is crawling with Toriphiles:-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:33:41 -0500 From: "Marshall Pierce" Subject: Re: another chat room Hmmmm, well is it divided we fall time? =) Marshall - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 7:49 PM Subject: another chat room > > Hey folks, > > I was thinking about setting up a Poe chatroom on AOL since there are so many > of us APs on AOL. It's in no way to replace or compete with the IRC room; > just an additional means by which to discuss, chat about and/or promote Poe. > I would probably schedule an hour or two out of the week (other than Thursday > night, of course) that I would make a point to be there, but the rest of the > time, it may be open and it may be not. And if it's not, anyone is free to do > so, of course. AOL is just such a good way to reach the general public, it > would be a shame to waste it since so many of us are on it. > > Tell me what yall think. > KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:48:27 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #56 In a message dated 2/10/2001 8:43:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dracovixen@aol.com writes: > And hey, the number 13 was also a sacred number of the Mother Goddess. Today > the number 13 is considered bad luck...wonder why that is? :::sarcasm drips > here::: > Why is 13 sacred to Gaia (or whatever name she is going by these days)? 13 is considered an unlucky number from way ancient times...probably has something to do with the fact that there are 13 full moons during the year and only 12 months (as in moon-ths)...so we have the "blue moon", which is the second full moon in the same month, a rare occurence. There should be 13 X 28 day months instead of the odd assortment of 12 unequal ones, which would also follow a woman's menstrual cycle more closely, which is probably why the number is sacred to Gaia. The reason we have 12 months instead has more to do with astrology and other occult "sciences" than with Christianity. Something to do with the nature of a circle which, if divided into 12 X 30 degree segments of its 360 degrees will result in 4 squares and 3 trines and 3X4=12 and 4X3=12, etc. So you get 12 houses in either the Placidian or equal house system of astrology as well as 12 astrological signs (thought there were initially fewer) and also the 4 basic elements of matter being Air, Fire, Earth, Water and the 3 states of these elements being Cardinal, Mutable, Fixed. There are 365 days in a year...very close to the 360 degrees of a perfect circle...and it was meet for occultist's needs to establish 12 months instead of 13. But the moon actually circles the Earth 13 times during one circuit of the Earth around the Sun, so they are left with the quandry of an extra "true" moon-th which is now hidden (and thus a secret...and bad luck, etc.) among the other12. So it was occult "physics" and not Christianity or "men" who made 13 an unlucky number. The same people who were Gaia worshippers were often the occult scientists as well. BTW, I have always had good fortune on Friday the 13th...seems like a good $$$ day for me. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:19:28 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #56 - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 9:03 PM Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #56 > > In a message dated 2/10/01 7:41:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, > owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > > > Hi, since we are on the subject of the inability of AOL users to use the > > net, and in particular the http://poe.org chat, I have two questions. > > I'm an AOL user, and I can use the internet, so get that stick out of your > ass. > I think I have made it quite clear that AOL users are just as smart as everybody else, the primary persons to say otherwise seems to be AOL users themselves. > Do you realize how nearly impossible it can be for people to even find the > Poe website and IRC chat? My primary concern are the ones that DO find it, and who thereby prove that it is not as "nearly impossible" as you claim..... You put her name in a search engine, and you get > 10 million things on Edgar Allan Poe. Not everyone knows how to do the > advanced search or anything. Kori's idea may actually introduce more people > to Poe, who do not feel like trying more than once. or, someone might think > it is a chat about Edgar Allan Poe, and go in to talk, but find out about > this amazing artist known as Poe. We could certainly tell them about the IRC > chat, and the angry psychos mailing list. I would be happy to tell them! You > get so guarded about this IRC chat, and this mailing list. Relax! We're all > here for Poe, not your ego. Wow that mouthfull must give YOU a nice swell.... If starting an AOL chat brings in more fans who > use AOL what's the problem with that? Seriously, you've got to cool down. There are at least 3 Poe clubs on yahoo, they have their own chats on occassion, none of those people are making an issue of what a poor product #poe Is, and you haven't heard me say a word about them. > > > > > 2. KoriG, could you start a new AP mailing list, for all the Fake ID, AOL > > TROLLS who can't use NPR ? That would be VERY appreciated. > > Oh, yes, let's crucify people for not using NPR, oh my god, the > horror...You're mad at Kori, why add the rest of us AOL users into it? It is a half reasonable request, she wanted to start something for AOL users exclusively, it is a long held and well known contention of mine that SOME AOL users, and other free mail suppliers such as hotmail are nothng more than fake ID's used by people to create flame wars. I wish the AOL users, the ones that are here just to instigate had a place to play at, I don't think there is anything wrong with that, tho I know it will never happen I guess it is some more of my humor that people don't understand, mixed in with a dose of reality. You're > certainly not making any friends, fans, or anything...Except for maybe people > saying "Wow, that spook certainly has a stick up his ass if it ever comes to > anything about deviating away from this particular list or he IRC chat..." It is not about other people doing other things, its about saying that what I / We do, SUX, is without merrit, doesn't work right, when in reality, its a computer, and is most likely a case of operator error, you wanna say that, yeah here I am BITCHING again. You wanna do your OWN thing more POWER to YOU, if you don't want to use http://poe.org or chat on IRC Dal Net MORE POWER TO YOU but don't be casting it in an unwarrented negative light and expect that I will sit back forever and say nothing. > > >. If you need help, ASK, many people on this list get > > lots of help, by ASKING, if you don't say something, we won't know you > need > > help. > > > > sp00k etc ... > > > You could have said that from the beginning instead of insulting the AOL > users on the list. Really, spook, there's this thing called tact. Ever heard > of it? Like I said I think the people that rip on AOL users the most are their own, anybody that has been on this list very long knows that I have only ever had negative things to say about those who would ABUSE the semi anonimity of an AOL account, I have never ever discriminated against anybody because they are an AOL user, and I am sure that a number of AOL users on this list will tell you that I have patiently worked them thru getting connected to chat, or any other number of computer/net related questions, last I heard Poe is an AOL user. > You claim to want to help Poe, but you get so uptight if anyone wants to do > something different. Sometimes it's that difference that people need in order > to discover something new and exciting. > If you disagreed with Kori, you didn't have to attack her (I'm not really > trying to protect her here, or saying that she's perfect, but who is?). You > could have handled it better, so any slack you get now, you brought upon > yourself. Remember that. Cherish it. :) Learn from it. Get some people skills. > Black Dove > Hey Emily Post ... until http://poe.org does not have a pulse, I see no reason not to cast it in a Positive light, for all that there is Positive about it, and yes, you are right, it bothers me that some people refer to it in a negative mannner, as a thing of the past, the 'old ways' when nothing could be further from the truth. No http://poe.org is not what it was, but If ya ain't got nothing nice to say, why not leave it be? There is always more than meets the eye, and one thing is for certain, I take great comfrot in the knowledge that this had squat to do with my ego so if you want to attack me personaly, try another path. sp00k #### ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:54:44 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #56 In a message dated 2/10/01 9:43:07 PM, Dracovixen@aol.com writes: >Supposedly, it WAS an apple that >they bit from, that gave them this thrill of knowledge. >The apple had long been a symbol of the Mother Goddess, which the >patriarchial Christianity sought to extinguish, so by making the bad fruit >an >apple, and then making it a woman who first bit from it, and so on, and >I >doubt I really need to get into the rest So are you inferring that I, the woman with the Apple computer, am the Evil One? =) KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:23:54 -0800 From: "Mike Vaughn" Subject: RE: NPR - for the relationship challenged Here's the link I mentioned to the nice girl having the boy problems. Now ask him out (I recommend the "Cupid" or "Total Hottie" videos for your issue): http://www.imagestation.com/love/ - -MikeV ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #57 **********************************