From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #56 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Saturday, February 10 2001 Volume 06 : Number 056 Today's Subjects: ----------------- PR: hey pretty / NPR: grammys 2001 ["Rusty Shelby" ] Re: God NPR (where NPR is due) [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: God NPR (where NPR is due) ["Anthony Bender" ] Re: free will [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: God NPR (where NPR is due) ["J.R. Jobe" ] Re: NPR: more dance stuff for anyone keeping up [EMOKidsSmell@aol.com] another mailing list ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: another mailing list [Oasage@aol.com] Re: NPR: more dance stuff for anyone keeping up [LivTheMdns@aol.com] Re: [not] another mailing list ["meghan" ] Re: NPR: more dance stuff for anyone keeping up [BluesyBear@aol.com] Re: God NPR (where NPR is due) [Maeve M Johnson ] Re: another chat room [JezebeIlnHeII@aol.com] Re: another mailing list ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: another chat room [KoriG@aol.com] Re: [not] another mailing list [KoriG@aol.com] Re: [not] another mailing list [KoriG@aol.com] Re: [not] another mailing list ["sp00k@poe.org" Subject: PR: hey pretty / NPR: grammys 2001 http://www.rustyisdabomb.com a few things that i have updated on my web site: PR: "hey pretty"... banner on front page asking you to request the song.. links to http://www.polishckick.com 's page for downloading the live & studio versions of the mix NPR: grammy awards 2001... click on the grammy logo banner on the main page.. this takes you to my grammy picks page... see who's been nominated in my cd collection... and for what... also link to the official grammy site.. and more - -rusty agentorange2@mindspring.com = rusty@poe.org ***************************************************************************** ********************************* Jennifer Nettles Band: http://www.jennifernettles.com | http://www.jennifernettlesband.com ***************************************************************************** ********************************* POE: "Haunted" released 10.31.00 | http://www.p-o-e.com | http://www.buffybb.net/poe ***************************************************************************** ********************************* Amanda Ghost: "Ghost Stories" album in stores now featuring the new single, "Idol" http://www.amandaghost.net | http://amandaghost.cjb.net/ ***************************************************************************** ********************************* my page: http://www.rustyisdabomb.com | last updated: 02.10.00 ***************************************************************************** ********************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 04:53:35 EST From: Dan98908@aol.com Subject: Re: another chat room In a message dated 2/9/01 4:58:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, KoriG@aol.com writes: > Hey folks, > > I was thinking about setting up a Poe chatroom on AOL since there are so > many > of us APs on AOL. It's in no way to replace or compete with the IRC room; > just an additional means by which to discuss, chat about and/or promote Poe Great idea Kori! I have been running a room called PoeMusic ( so I don't have to keep telling people I am not really that interested in the Raven!) in the Arts and Entertainment section of the Member chats. You would be surprised how many are not even aware that Poe has a new CD out! I also have not viewed this as a replacement to the "official" AP chat, rather as a way to introduce others to Poe and reaquaint those that have forgotten. I was not thinking of targeting APs as much as new fans and future APs. Let me know when you get your room set up and I will put it in my favorite places. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 08:34:33 EST From: Davey08@aol.com Subject: Re: God NPR (where NPR is due) But that thought process is negated by the fact that God, in that sense is considered infallible, the beginning, the end, the thought process behind the whole works yada yada yada...If he created all and governs all then that must mean (as logic dictates) that he not only created Satan but it is his plan that Satan act the way he does; it is in fact God behind the whole works, the first sin was his plan, he created Satan to provoke it and gave man freewill to accept it. A heavenly transaction that was carried out exactly to plan. But if he loves man why would he have this in his plan? And if his true intention was the best for man, why introduce the devil at all? If he doesn't control the devil, than is he truly infallible, beginning-end material? Doesn't this simple fact unravel the fabric of this false reality? Dave Dave@poe.org Davey08@aol.com zampanosdead@davidsmail.com compjuxlight@hotmail.com [_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_] "Dans la maison, l'obscuriti me consommera." (In the House, the darkness will consume me.) [_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_] "Si je dicidais de vous faire ma religion je pense que Dieu serait gentil" (If I decided to make you my religion I think God would be kind.) [_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_] http://www.geocities.com/run_rom_run/ http://www.geocities.com/run_rom_run/nextous/nextous.html http://alphamix.50megs.com/ [_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_] "Ces mots vous effrayent-ils?" ("Do these words frighten you?") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:56:54 -0400 From: Dan Pusateri Subject: Any tour news yet? I was just wondering what the delay on the tour was. Is Poe in rehearsals? I haven't seen much on the website either. One more thought on the tour. I think she should do the whole "Haunted" cd from start to finish and do songs from Hello at the beginning and the end. Waiting patiently in Rochester, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:53:34 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: God NPR (where NPR is due) In a message dated 2/10/2001 8:45:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, Davey08@aol.com writes: > But that thought process is negated by the fact that God, in that sense is > considered infallible, the beginning, the end, the thought process behind > the > whole works yada yada yada...If he created all and governs all then that > must > mean (as logic dictates) that he not only created Satan but it is his plan > that Satan act the way he does; it is in fact God behind the whole works, > the > first sin was his plan, he created Satan to provoke it and gave man freewill > to accept it. A heavenly transaction that was carried out exactly to plan. > But if he loves man why would he have this in his plan? And if his true > intention was the best for man, why introduce the devil at all? If he > doesn't control the devil, than is he truly infallible, beginning-end > material? Doesn't this simple fact unravel the fabric of this false > reality? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Perhaps it is just "show biz" after all. Satan the Accuser was Lucifer the Light Bearer originally...the Prince of Darkness because the light was IN the darkness. A favorite of God due to all the new things that were continually being revealed out of the darkness. If it pleased God to attribute "otherness" to these aspects of God's own self, such as the Word, the Light, the Darkness, etc. it was because God was lonely for others like Godself. These first Archangels were like that; they weren't "born" in any way that we could relate to, it was just pleasing to God to attribute otherness to them...like a little kid playing with imaginary friends...only in God's case, that much will/love/power makes it "real". One of the principal Archangels is Michael, which means, literally, "one who is like God". The purpose of the choice in the Garden of Eden was to establish free will in mankind...whichever way they chose. Maybe it has gone on thousands of times all over the universe and only a certain percentage have fallen from grace. The thing that sets mankind apart from other animals is that we are like the ova in the body of nature...we are meant to literally become impregnated by the Word and give birth to a child of God. Our living soul is simply a piece of the greater living spirit oneness that has been seperated off from that oneness by material substance (ie: our flesh) in order that we attain a sense of otherness from God (even though we are of the oneness and are actually living via the one spirit).If we attain unto a firm knowledge of our own immortality as well as our otherness, then when this fleshly body falls away back into the dust we continue on, no longer merely a "quick" soul, as is a child of Man, but as a quickening spirit, like God our parent(s)...it is in this way we are made in the image of God. I mean, an ovum doesn't look like an adult human being when it is in the body of a woman, does it. And just like the ova, the soul, if it doesn't become impregnated with truth, is washed out with the menstrual flow when the flesh goes back into the dust where it came from. The soul, without the flesh to give it otherness, is like a drop of water in the ocean and it soon dissapates into the oneness and is no longer an individual. As for all the evil shit that goes down in this bandwidth of the space/time continuum... what was the name of that tree in the garden ..."The tree of knowledge of GOOD and EVIL" was it not? It wasn't a friggin' apple! And it was definitely not sexual intercourse either. The first bite produced a thrill of knowledge being increased...just like anytime knowledge is increased when you have that thrill of discovery. Then they thought "Hey, we didn't die like God said we would (since they were ignorant of God's relation to time/space/death), God must have been lying to us and holding out the best part for Himself just like the serpent said." This gave them a feeling of power to dis God in their heart like this...they had "busted" God running bullshit. These initial new awarenesses tasted GOOD...they were the GOOD bifurcation of the "tree" of that particular knowledge of GOOD and EVIL. Now, they realize that God can see everything, that they are indeed "naked" before God, since they are all one anyway...God will know they have been entertaining these thoughts against God...God even probably already knows. They are ashamed and try to cover it up. God shows up and says sarcastically "Who told you you were naked...what is it you are trying to cover up. I am gonna' kick your ass for betraying me... I am righteously pissed off with you!" This is the knowledge of EVIL...the other bifurcation of the tree of twofold knowledge. Not the knowledge of some secret stuff that is way cool...no, it is the knowledge of sin, of guilt, of everything going wrong, of being accused, and of having true evil DONE TO YOU! It definitely does not taste good. All the nasty crap that goes on in the world is the magnification of that original evil and the result of our knowledge of it. I mean, don't you feel repelled and stained and appalled by all that shit? And the goodness that the children of God are heir to...ie: immortality and godhood...those are the magnification of the good. Our time in this dreary "vale of tears" is nothing compared to eternity. It is like the birth pangs of a woman as we give birth to ourselves. If millions are slaughtered in this place, it is evil magnified by our own choice, not something to blame God for...if we accuse God, then we are Satan the Accuser. But if through forgiveness and repentance of the curse of wrath, God does no longer accuse us...then we are free to become true children of God and are no longer banished from eating from the tree of life (sort of the antidote to that other tree). This is what Christ is all about. Sadly, many "born-agains" are more Satan than children of God... since so many of them seem to spend all their time accusing everyone else of "sin" and damning them to hell. The reason I said it might all be "show biz" is because everything was made "for God's own good pleasure". There is no other reason for anything to exist when you boil it down. Our whole portion is to enjoy it and maybe to learn how to do it ourselves....show biz is like that. The only real sin is to have bad taste:-) I know these things, of course, because I am a god. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:52:03 -0600 From: "Anthony Bender" Subject: Re: God NPR (where NPR is due) Not at all because your forgetting one important fact, Lucifer (Satan) had freewill as well. Sure God created him as and probably knew what he was going to do but it was up to Lucifer to decide to take the glory away from God. His punishment along with 1/3 of heavens angles was to be sent to hell. Satan knows that in the end he will be destroyed by God. He lacks the power to harm God directly but he can and does hurt him in the only way he can, by taking his children away from him. He does this in many ways. His favorite I've seen is convincing people neither he nor God exists. If they don't exist why pray, go to church, or follow the laws written in the bible? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 7:34 AM Subject: Re: God NPR (where NPR is due) > > But that thought process is negated by the fact that God, in that sense is > considered infallible, the beginning, the end, the thought process behind the > whole works yada yada yada...If he created all and governs all then that must > mean (as logic dictates) that he not only created Satan but it is his plan > that Satan act the way he does; it is in fact God behind the whole works, the > first sin was his plan, he created Satan to provoke it and gave man freewill > to accept it. A heavenly transaction that was carried out exactly to plan. > But if he loves man why would he have this in his plan? And if his true > intention was the best for man, why introduce the devil at all? If he > doesn't control the devil, than is he truly infallible, beginning-end > material? Doesn't this simple fact unravel the fabric of this false reality? > > Dave > > Dave@poe.org > Davey08@aol.com > zampanosdead@davidsmail.com > compjuxlight@hotmail.com > [_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_] > "Dans la maison, l'obscuriti me consommera." > (In the House, the darkness will consume me.) > [_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_] > "Si je dicidais de vous faire ma religion > je pense que Dieu serait gentil" > (If I decided to make you my religion > I think God would be kind.) > [_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_] > http://www.geocities.com/run_rom_run/ > http://www.geocities.com/run_rom_run/nextous/nextous.html > http://alphamix.50megs.com/ > [_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_][_] > "Ces mots vous effrayent-ils?" > ("Do these words frighten you?") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 12:34:13 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: free will In a message dated 2/10/01 1:41:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > ok well these are just my thought on the God issue... > we were born with free-will (hence the free will to make dicisions > like killing and raping, etc.) Ever read Spinoza? He had an interesting theory about free will....I'll try my best to explain it... Everything we do in life is predetermined by how we grew up, how we were enculturated, things like that. When we are met with choices, we make decisions about those choices going off of earlier experiences...Once we make the choice, it's easy to see that that was the choice we were going to make anyway, we were always fated to make that choice...If we explained Spinoza's theory to someone who is about to make a choice, and just to prove Spinoza wrong makes the choice that is not in with their nature or pattern, they were fated to do that anyway because it was in their nature to be contradictory and prove Spinoza (and subsequently their friend) wrong....yet they would only prove him right. Anyone understand what I mean? Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 10:50:08 -0800 (PST) From: "J.R. Jobe" Subject: Re: God NPR (where NPR is due) - ---Ohhhhh maaannn, I thought everyone got this religious talk out of their systems. Okay, here's the deal, WE are the evil ones, not Lucifer. WE are the ones who went against God's word. WE are the ones who wanted to be like God. Lucifer is just an easy scapegoat for us to pass blame on to. Since we, as humans, think that we're too good to possibly sin on our own, we blame the guy who's job it is to test us, Lucifer. Sure he's convincing as hell(pun intended), but if you look at the Bible, a book that is only as a reliable as you want it to be, Lucifer is there to try to turn us against God but he NEVER forces us to. And by the way, the writers(or better yet the translators) of the Bible made it pretty easy for people to doubt that God exists. Oh yeah, we live on the planet Hell. - ---Jobe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:53:27 EST From: EMOKidsSmell@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: more dance stuff for anyone keeping up Does anyone else really miss the highschool drama when they read stories like Tessa's? I do! And I just graduated last year... IM GETTING OLD! HOW DO YOU STOP THIS THING?!?!?!!? Old Megan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:07:20 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: another mailing list Hi, since we are on the subject of the inability of AOL users to use the net, and in particular the http://poe.org chat, I have two questions. 1. KoriG, why are you trying to move list members to a chat on AOL, thus dividing the mailing list, when it is quite obvious that AOL users can use http://poe.org chat, since YOU (and many AOL users) have used it many times yourself. Don't get me wrong, AOL is its own little world, and should certainly have pointers to the REAL internet, but I think it is rather sad that instead of helping AOL users on the list join the rest of us on http://poe.org you are asking them to go back to AOL and at the same time creating a barrier for those of us who do not use AOL 2. KoriG, could you start a new AP mailing list, for all the Fake ID, AOL TROLLS who can't use NPR ? That would be VERY appreciated. Last week you got the ball rolling against http://poe.org on the sticker issue, by saying that Atlantic should handle it because they own http://poe.org , considering your VAST knowledge of the music industry, I was surprised you said this. Aside from the fact that you were wrong, I think it is more important that apparently who actually owns http://poe.org is of little significance to you. Does that now make it OK to make Http://Poe.Org stickers ? You also wanted to create a discussion group for HOL which is great, but wanted to exclude those who had read the book, this week you are working purposely or not, on killing the chat at http://poe.org altogether. Don't you think you should mention that you regularly come to http://poe.org chat and insult people because they aren't talking? That perhaps YOU don't like http://poe.org chat because we don't chat the way YOU think we should? If you want a chat of your own just say so, but please don't discourage people by implying that using http://poe.org is a negative or difficult experience, when all of the AOL users you talk about connecting to, are fully able to use http://poe.org . I exchanged a couple e-mails with Jarrod on the subject of http://poe.org when the sticker "ISSUE" came up. It is apparent that he would like to see Http://Poe.Org as a site for, Poe and her FANS. We had an Atlantic rep who was supposed to visit #poe on a regular basis, we have had one visit, and haven't heard from her since... Since the sale of Time Warner /AOL/ Atlantic? Maybe Atlantic and the "Rep" will be more friendly to KoriG and her AOL Poe Chat? Is this the kind of AOL/TW/Atlantic/Poe exclusion you wrote about a couple weeks ago? I hate being manipulated.... AOL friendly.... yeah that sounds right, TW Owns AOL owns Atlantic, who owns Poe and the Rep? Oh well I'm just a PsYcHo, why are you surprised at my conspiracy theory? It is UNFORTUNATE that this MASSIVE VOID exists between Jarrod and Atlantic, not only because it leaves http://poe.org in limbo, but because it defeats any attempt at centralization of efforts on ANY issue, bumper stickers, chats, T-shirts, go right down the line. Can you imagine what some organizations would give to have 700 online helpers? While not totally wasted, our current divisions will continue to hamper any effort at any SUSTAINED momentum that might be possible with this group. Those of you who are on AOL and resent being labeled as unable to use the internet, guess what, everybody else has the same "newbie" problems, no matter who your ISP is. Most people who have problems getting into the chat the first time at http://poe.org due to browser issues, turn right around and get a copy of mIRC @ http://www.mirc.com AOL users INCLUDED, and are on chat within minutes. If you need help, ASK, many people on this list get lots of help, by ASKING, if you don't say something, we won't know you need help. You want a POE Bumper sticker, one that will do more to actually HELP bring more people to Poe and her music more (no offense) than any of the beautiful stickers I have seen yet? Go to the HARDWARE STORE and get the letters (magnetic ones for your parents car, sticky ones if it is yours.) WWW POE ORG the ppl we are looking for will understand, AOL users INCLUDED.... sp00k etc ... P.S. If Jarrod pulls the plug, all you will need is RIP - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where Shes @ ??!! http://Poe.Org Visit My "POE" Place http://www.sp00k.com 3 INDIE Rock Grrlz http://EmberSwift.com Hear What I Hear ? http://wber.monroe.edu/live.ram 80K Feed ? http://wber.monroe.edu/live2.ram ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:39:13 EST From: Oasage@aol.com Subject: Re: another mailing list ok, so i don't want to talk for anybody else, but i felt i needed to respond to this email... i doubt korig is trying to DIVIDE the list. i think it's a great idea to have an AOL chat room. some people just sign on to AOL to chat and read email and rarely if ever surf the net. i believe korig said in the first email that the AOL chat room was in no way trying to compete with the poe.org chat. it's just another place APs can gather and chat amongst themselves... now, i myself have not really searched for any poe-related websites, but thanks to the bbs and this list, i've seen polishchick.com numerous times, and found that it's really the only complete poe site on the net. not trying to rag on poe.org, but there's really nothing there except for the chat, and a few links... maybe i'm missing something, i don't know. i do know the first time i went there a couple of years ago, it was full of poe info. not so much anymore... hmm... and about the stickers, i thought we were trying to promote POE, not just a website devoted to her? someone sees the sticker on another person's car, goes to poe.org and sees a chat room. a link to buy her cd. a link to napster... they still don't know what she sings, or who she is... why not just a sticker of poe. plain and simple... that's just my thoughts...... and isn't the fact that we are all APs and on this make us stronger anyway? must we all gather at one chat room? - -reg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:46:08 EST From: LivTheMdns@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: more dance stuff for anyone keeping up In a message dated 2/10/01 2:00:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, EMOKidsSmell@aol.com writes: > Does anyone else really miss the highschool drama when they read stories > like Tessa's? I do! And I just graduated last year... IM GETTING OLD! HOW > DO YOU STOP THIS THING?!?!?!!? > Old Megan > Paging Doctor Kevorkian, Doctor Kevorkian, you are wanted in texas. Doctor Kevorkian to texas stat. ~Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:03:59 -0500 From: "meghan" Subject: Re: [not] another mailing list Okay. This is pointless and... well... dare I say it, stupid? Leave the poe.org chat the way it is. As sp00k has already mentioned, you can get a copy of mirc at http://www.mirc.com and the poe.org chat is on the server dalnet. To connect to dalnet, simply type /server irc.dal.net and once you're connected, just type /join #poe It's as simple as that. So what if it's not as convenient as aol for those AP's who have aol? I have nothing against AOL. I've used it in the past. But I'm happier with my current ISP than I ever was with AOL. But it's not fair to divide the list/chat room into things that only AOL members can access. There are quite a few people who are NOT on AOL who use the poe.org chat quite regularly. Myself included. Sp00k is not on AOL, I believe. Neither is Anfrey. Or Dubious. But that's beside the point. There is no point in dividing anything, or making a new chat anywhere, except changing IRC servers if dalnet gets to the point where it's unusable. I think this should be the end of this thread. No one has anything different to say, no one has any other solutions. But the bottom line is that it's not FAIR to exclude those of us who love Poe as much as anyone on AOL does from accessing the chat and mailing lists. Kori, you should know this. Remember the email? Think about those of us who are doing things for Poe. Stickers. Promotion. How would YOU like it if one day you just couldn't get on dalnet, so you couldn't access the chat? If the web site was gone, you couldn't access it that way either. Like if Dalnet klined all AOL members. poe.org wasn't there for you to access the chat. Just think before you bring up all these new ideas. Sometimes keeping things the way they are is better than change. Meghan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:11:21 EST From: BluesyBear@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: more dance stuff for anyone keeping up omg i couldn't sympathize with you more...I graduated h.s. in 99 and i feel like the oldest human being... One thing about being in H.S. was anticipating and imagining what your adult life would be like...now that I'm approaching it....YIKES! hide me... Jill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:13:51 -0800 From: Maeve M Johnson Subject: Re: God NPR (where NPR is due) His favorite I've seen is convincing people neither he nor God exists. If they don't exist why pray, go to church, or follow the laws written in the bible? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is what drives me crazy Christians seem to think that us non- christians have no morals whatsoever! We follow most of the laws in the bible because our consciences tell us to! We still know right or wrong, and actually, when you think about it, non-christians who are good deserve more credit because we aren't awaiting a wonderful reward of a materialistic heaven (and the streets will be made of pure gold) even though that is what Christians are supposed to want (it is easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to heaven) where they can worship God for all eternity and reap in the wealth they obtained by being good on earth. Us non-christains don't need a religion to tell us how to act because contrary to popular belief, humans were for the most part given the sense to know not to kill. We just get a bad rep because there have been some pretty messed up non-christians (ie Charles Manson, Timothy McVey ect) but lets not forget all those wonderful wars and lives lost BECAUSE of intolerant and cruel christianity (ie the crusades the inquisition Europe in the middle ages and on) The thing that really confuses me is this: If god knows everything past and future- then why the hell are we here. He already knows who is going to be in heaven with him what is the point to life therefore? And if the christian god is so present in peoples lives here, in the nice warm bible belt, where the hell is he in south east asia and somalia where its not so... whats the word I'm looking for... nice- to put it mildly? And if thats god working mysterious ways then all I have to say is F**K that. I am agnostic, in my opinion god exists but he is the great clock maker of the deists, nice and uninvolved. That makes more sense to me and is a lot more respectable when it comes to the people who know REAL tragedy. Maeve ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 16:53:39 EST From: JezebeIlnHeII@aol.com Subject: Re: another chat room In a message dated 2/10/01 1:37:12 AM Alaskan Standard Time, Dan98908@aol.com writes: << I have been running a room called PoeMusic >> The problem is when u r searching for a room. u have to know what you are searching for. Anyone searching on aol for Poe.... would find Poe... but probably not PoeMusic... unless they actually scanned all the rooms. Anyhow. whatever y'all call it. i'll be there :-) ~jez ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:01:22 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: another mailing list ... hmm... and about the stickers, i thought we were > trying to promote POE, not just a website devoted to her? someone sees the > sticker on another person's car, goes to poe.org and sees a chat room. a link > to buy her cd. a link to napster... they still don't know what she sings, or > who she is... why not just a sticker of poe. plain and simple... that's just > my thoughts...... It is not "just a website devoted to her" it is about her FANS that are devoted to her, then and NOW If they follow the link to chat, or if YOU have, then you would know that more than likely they will end up on the e-mail list that same visit. If they follow the link to http://angry-psychos.com they will find the Psycho Ward, the "Resources" link, the instructions for joining the AP list And a guide to many things that are Poe RELATED even after all this time. WWW POE ORG in terms of a bumper sticker is easy to recognize, remember, leads to LIVE AP's on #poe or the AP Mailing list, has BETTER name recongniton = retention, than Http://PolishChick.Com and @ .25 per letter is about 3 dollars cheaper to spell than Http://PolishChick.Com Just trying to keep things SIMPLE and isn't the fact that we are all APs and on this make us > stronger anyway? must we all gather at one chat room? > > -reg See Above, AND OK lets not get into a sp00k is ANTI Diversity thing here, Isn't the idea here in THIS instance to bring people TOGETHER? The AP's must be one of the most wickedly DIVERSE GROUPS on the net, but the keyword is GROUP. Must we be so diverse that even as a group we have to go to seperate places to meet? and ppl say I am messed uP. sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:16:02 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: another chat room In a message dated 2/10/01 6:37:09 AM, Dan98908@aol.com writes: > I have been running a room called PoeMusic ( so I don't >have to keep telling people I am not really that interested in the Raven!) > >in the Arts and Entertainment section of the Member chats. You would be > >surprised how many are not even aware that Poe has a new CD out! > >I also have not viewed this as a replacement to the "official" AP chat, > >rather as a way to introduce others to Poe and reaquaint those that have > >forgotten. I was not thinking of targeting APs as much as new fans and > >future APs. I didn't know you were already doing this Dan. My bad! I'll just look for you online, (and suggest that anyone else who is interested do the same.) Right. This is in no way to replace the other room, but to further reach new fans, people that don't know of Poe or that don't know she has a new album out. Let's try bringing the mountain to Mohammed and see how it goes. :) KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:27:29 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: [not] another mailing list In a message dated 2/10/01 5:21:18 PM, meghan@sugar-star.net writes: >How would YOU like it if one day you just couldn't get on dalnet, > >so you couldn't access the chat? If the web site was gone, you couldn't > >access it that way either Lately, I have found many evenings or complete days where I could not access the room, as have others. And I have NEVER been able to access it via poe.org. The site doesn't agree with my Mac, or my browser, or the combination of my Mac and browser. And I know for fact that I am not the only person with this problem. But I've yet to complain about it. I worked my way around it, in spite of the cumbersomeness (that a word?) of IRC. KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:31:34 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: [not] another mailing list In a message dated 2/10/01 5:21:18 PM, meghan@sugar-star.net writes: >Just think before you bring up all >these new ideas. Sometimes keeping things the way they are is better than >change. I'm sorry. Never intended to offend anyone. I'm just a brainstormer. Without new ideas, some things would never get accomplished or move forward. Because if you don't move forward, there is a damn good chance you could end up backsliding... and I would hate to see that happen. KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:58:46 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: [not] another mailing list - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: > Lately, I have found many evenings or complete days where I could not access > the room, as have others. And I have NEVER been able to access it via > poe.org. The site doesn't agree with my Mac, or my browser, or the > combination of my Mac and browser. And I know for fact that I am not the only > person with this problem. But I've yet to complain about it. I worked my way > around it, in spite of the cumbersomeness (that a word?) of IRC. And you present a very CONVINCING argument for using IRC, also Macs seem to be the main source of problems with the web version of chat, BUT despite it's alleged shortcomings, in the end even you are ABLE to connect #poe. If you are experiencing problems with connecting, I assure you, so are the rest of us. The purpose of the present chat configuration was to address the shortcoming of the previous http://poe.org chat, including the fact that lots of people had difficulty with THAT version crashing their computer etc... This IS the most UNIVERSAL method of chat that could be employed. Yes, the user may be required to use their heads a little, but somehow I don't think that is a major problem around here. sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:50:14 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: [not] another mailing list In a message dated 2/10/01 7:08:45 PM, rmorale2@rochester.rr.com writes: >Yes, the user may be required to use their heads a little, but somehow >I don't think that is a major problem around here. Mostly true, but as I've said a million times, I would like to try an AOL room to reach NEW, MORE fans, people that do not already know about the APs and are only familiar with their AOL, at least at this time. I refuse to be a techno-snob. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:10:22 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: another mailing list In a message dated 2/10/01 6:11:31 PM, rmorale2@rochester.rr.com writes: >If they follow the link to chat, or if YOU have, then you would know that >more than likely they will end up on the e-mail list that same visit. I'm not even sure which site it is you are barking about. www.poe.org? If so, that site was not even mentioned in the initial sticker conversation. >is easy to recognize, remember, leads to LIVE AP's on #poe or the AP >Mailing list, has BETTER name recongniton = retention, than Http://PolishChick.Com >and @ .25 per letter is about 3 dollars cheaper to spell than Http://PolishChick.Com As for being more memorable, I guess we just have differing opinions there. And as for it going to "LIVE APs".... hardly. Sure, there may be people "in" there, but a person could have to wait an hour for someone to actually respond. You tell me that is just the way IRC rooms are, and that if I don't like it, I can go to another room. Well, this IS the way AOL rooms are handled, and the way I prefer myself, as do some others, so I'm simply doing as you told me. >Isn't the idea >here in THIS instance to bring people TOGETHER? The AP's must be one of the >most wickedly DIVERSE GROUPS on the net, but the keyword is GROUP. Must we >be so diverse that even as a group we have to go to seperate places to meet? >and ppl say I am messed uP. For the millionth time, THIS IS NOT A SEPARATE OR REPLACEMENT ROOM, it's meant as an easy way to reach new people who wouldn't know or learn of #poe otherwise, or who want to hang out in a Poe chat where, when they see that people are in the room, those people are actually conversing, and not just being some place-holders. I do not wish to state which is my favorite Poe fan site, but I will say this: I tend to prefer sites with the most up-to-date info, features, (universal, working features, that is) ease of use, etc. If this makes me lazy, so sue me. KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:27:25 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: [not] another mailing list - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [not] another mailing list > > In a message dated 2/10/01 7:08:45 PM, rmorale2@rochester.rr.com writes: > > >Yes, the user may be required to use their heads a little, but somehow > >I don't think that is a major problem around here. > > Mostly true, but as I've said a million times, I would like to try an AOL > room to reach NEW, MORE fans, people that do not already know about the APs > and are only familiar with their AOL, at least at this time. I refuse to be a > techno-snob. > I have never come out against reaching NEW people, I have been looking for new ways to intro Poe's music to new listeners as much as the next person, I guess I just don't appreciate hearing about all the things that are WRONG with http://poe.org / #poe with no appreciation for all the things that are RIGHT about it, to the point that others would be encouraged to believe http://poe.org is DEAD, it is not. Thechno-snob? I will say it in other words. If you spent 2 minutes on upgrading your IRC knowledge I'd hardly say it would put you in the "Techno-snob" catagory. One of the PRIMARY reasons for grafting irc.dal.net onto http://poe.org is because of its BROAD reach to ALL computer users, its not SNOBBY at all, look at this list, and tell me HOW it is SNOBBY? By the way, have you tried all FOUR versions for the Mac and found none of them worked? If you did, did you ask anybody for help? point your server to irc.dal.net #poe /server irc.dal.net using any of the software below. For anybody not an EXPERT on IRC, and DALnet, I would suggest a look at http://www.dal.net/index.php3 The Dalnet Main Page. For those of you who will be connecting via alternative methods Amiga amIRC http://www.vapor.com/products/?prod=amirc Chatbox http://www.hut.fi/~samzait/chatbox/ BeOS Bardak http://207.16.16.37/Bardak/ Baxter http://www.abisoft.com/Baxter/ Bowser http://www.tvl-p.com/Bowser.html Felix http://www.ducrohet.com/~xavier/Be/Felix.html LnIRC http://www.braprogram.com/LnIRC/ Macintosh IRCle http://ircle.netmug.org MacIRC http://www.macirc.com ShadowIRC http://www.shadowirc.com Snak http://www.snak.com/Snak.html Palm Pilot PalmIRC http://palmsoftware.tucows.com/tucows_028-008-001-002.html Unix BitchX http://www.bitchx.org EPIC http://www.epicsol.org ircII http://www.eterna.com.au/ircii/ kvirc http://www.kvirc.net ScrollZ http://www.scrollz.com/ sIRC http://www.iagora.com/~espel/sirc/sirc.html X-chat http://www.xchat.org Zircon http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Programs/Zircon/ Windows CHOCOA http://www.fujitsu.co.jp/hypertext/free/chocoa/en/ dIRC http://www.dragonmount.net/software/dirc/ Klient http://www.klient.com Leafchat http://www.leafdigital.com/Software/leafChat/ mIRC http://www.mirc.com pIRCh http://www.pirchat.com vIRC http://www.megalith.co.uk/virc WiRC http://wircirc.cjb.net XiRCON http://www.xircon.com WindowsCE IrcCE http://www.movsoftware.com/ircce.htm ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #56 **********************************