From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #49 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Sunday, February 4 2001 Volume 06 : Number 049 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #46 [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: fem stuff...whatever [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: VIRUS WARNING [J H ] HOL ["Morgie *" ] Padre Fear [Robert Cobb ] Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers [GloryBox84@aol.com] Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers ["Sarae Montgomery" ] Re: Padre Fear ["Anthony Bender" ] Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers [GloryBox84@aol.com] Poe on Ironminds [BoredPiXie@aol.com] Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] NPR Re: virus warnings and stuff [Fenimore Bergen ] Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers [KrodKnid@aol.com] NPR What's the deal? ["Patrick Davis" ] Re: The Only Poe Tabs on the Net ["sp00k@poe.org" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 16:51:04 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #46 Oh my god, you mean women got a hold of it for a whole 2 years? Well, girls, look like we got 2 years on their how many decades? Yeah, I think we should quit. Seriously, now. I'm not trying to be exclusive. I hate exclusiveness. I want everything on the radio. Angry men and women, male and female sex objects...If one gets portrayed as one thing, I want the other to be portrayed, too. Women need a source of empowerment, too. Some of us went out and searched for it, and we found it in many artists who just don't get air time. Other girls, either by lack of time or due to social pressures, don't find this unless someone beats them over the head with it (not literally, people). I'm really freaked out by the latest fad of "how can I live without my man?" It's nothing against you men, it just has to do with the sanity of a gender. People are not stable, male or female. It's time the women stopped depending on the men to make them happy, feel secure, and whatever. We've made some great strides as of recently, but between the media and bible thumpers, it seems to me that people (not everyone, of course) keep pushing women back down, or finding places for them where they can't be threatening. We can't let them do that. I'm not asking for superiority, and I'm not asking for people to give over half of an industry to women. I'm just asking for some recognition, some freedom, and some equality. I'm asking for people to judge people according to their aspects as a person, not as a gender. I hate this whole division of the genders thing, because I think it is retrogressivse, but since a lot of people still think this way, it's hard to get them to think any other way. I should collect all my thoughts and all these e-mails I've written, and other s I have written, and compose an essay, and then maybe people won't get all confused or anything. I'm not a feminist. I'm a person who identifies with a certain gender, and will fight for the rights of that gender. but I would also fight for the rights of any gender, race, religion, ethnicity, anything having to do with sexual orientation, whatever. Sorry if I'm not out there being vocal about men's rights, but honestly, I think the women are still having a lot of trouble with it, more than men. I don't hate men, they are as much victims of our society as women are, and it is a society composed by men and women. We've got to learn how to work and grow together in order to bring balance back. I'm not so sure that doing it by way of angry feminist organizations is the greatest idea, but I have found that in every change in society, you need some radicals. Cuz they're are always radicals on the other side as well. Once again, there's a balance to be needed. It's only a problem when those radicals become poster boys/girls for the entire organization. Black Dove In a message dated 2/2/01 10:11:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > Ok, I don't think we need to go this far. I don't approve of their response > either but still, nobody was crying for the men when it was a female > dominated scene for 2 years. BTW at that time korn and limp dick couldn't > buy radio time. The truth is they play the music people are buying, and > people are buying what is being played. It's a vicious circle that is > broken by great artists, its the job of the artist and fans to prove that > their work is worthy of the ear of radio. Poe is such an artist, now we > just have to prove it and let the world see her for what she is. > Cheers > Kyle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 17:03:08 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: fem stuff...whatever Ok, I've made the decision. Anyone got a problem with the lack of non-sexually receptive women being exposed to the public, and has requested songs from radio stations who gave them negative answers, send me an e-mail. I'll keep a file of it, and then I'll send it out along with an article written about the change of women in music and why. It's a pretty good article. Those of you who don't agree with this plan, well, I'm sorry you feel that way. And I don't mean just Poe being requested, I mean any woman. I'm not going to associate this (I'm calling it Project WRadio:) with the Angry Psychos. Unfortuantely, I have not been able to access my webpages except for once in the past month. I can't post the notice about Project WRadio anywhere, and I have not been able to do anything on my MTV site, which pisses me off. I still have a few things to put on there, before I start actively promoting it. I wanted it mostly done in January, but no thanks to computers...grumble, grumble. Yeah, so I still have everything I need for now, I just need your support, and I need a working ocmputer. :) Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:13:45 -0800 (PST) From: J H Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING Actually, Pretty Park is a virus, I know this because I received it from a friend of mine as well. I was lucky enough to scan the attachment before I opened it... This email (not mine,the one i'm replying to), in effect, is the actual "virus." It's just a hoax like or the cookie recipe or countless othe virus warnings. It's somebody's attempt at being annoying and scaring the masses. (Sure we've *all* thought about doing it at some point ;] j/k) Are there email viruses? Yes. but this, with all probability, ain't one of them. _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 15:28:14 -0800 From: "Morgie *" Subject: HOL Hey guys, House of Leaves freaks me out,it's an awesome book, but its disturbing. Does anyone else reading it feel the same way??? What about the part with the Pekinese puppy?? I dunno there are somethings in that book that I just don't understand.... lemme know whatcha think *~Morgie~* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 16:30:39 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Cobb Subject: Padre Fear Would anyone who has heard "Padre Fear" agree that it almost sounds like it should have been on Haunted. Maybe we will see it and "How Long" on a single. Adahlfin __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 19:30:29 EST From: GloryBox84@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers In a message dated 2/2/2001 11:42:26 PM Central Standard Time, JezebeIlnHeII@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 2/2/01 8:05:12 PM Alaskan Standard Time, > crisis_chick@juno.com writes: > > << so sick of the Brittney Spears and Jennifer Lopez's of the world > who seem to be so hell bent on the retrogression of feminism. >> > > Yanno...... > Different music reaches different people. I am so sick of hearing people > trash the very artists who bring a smile to my kids. My daughters will sit > for hours and sing those songs that other people find silly. Their rooms > are > plastered with magazine cutouts of boy bands. They wait for the next tour > the > same way we do. They aren't looking for deep messages in the lyrics.... > they > just sing their hearts out to songs that make 'em happy. ( of course they > know all the words to Poe's songs , too ) :-) > I can't count how many times my daughter has dedicated " Bye Bye Bye " to a > different boy....lol. I'm GLAD they have music they can relate to . It > doesn't mean that their taste in music is stupid or not properly evolved > .... > at any age. It just means that their taste is different. There is a reason > those groups are making money..... ALOT of people like them ! Kids and > adults, alike. > > ~jez > Just as people make assumptions about people that listen to boybands, teenagers are always subject to the assumption that because of their age they can name any song on the radio. My mom plays a trivia game at a bar every week, and one of the categories was "Things All Teenage Girls Love". I could answer 2 out of the 17 questions, being 16 years old. Not all of us are in the dark when it comes to music like Bob Dylan (or TOM Dylan, as he is referred to by some of my peers). - - --Kim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 19:39:38 -0500 From: "Sarae Montgomery" Subject: Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers lol we're doing a tribute to bob dylan in the newspaper.. and one of the girls in yearbook asked me point blank "who's bob dylan?" the journalism advisor and i just stared at her, thinking she was joking... but she wasn't. So i did my best impression for her... (i'm not fond of bob dylan, having been raised and been forced to listen to him constantly) and she instantly remembered *L* that's okay.. tom dylan... one of my friends said Bill kazynski was the unibomber ;) - -s *Madness is the channel by which we receive the greatest blessings* - Socrates - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Sarae Montgomery Sarmnstr@earthlink.net Sarae@velvet.net aim / icq Sarae135 / 531038 We're All Mad Here! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 7:30 PM Subject: Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers > > In a message dated 2/2/2001 11:42:26 PM Central Standard Time, > JezebeIlnHeII@aol.com writes: > > > > In a message dated 2/2/01 8:05:12 PM Alaskan Standard Time, > > crisis_chick@juno.com writes: > > > > << so sick of the Brittney Spears and Jennifer Lopez's of the world > > who seem to be so hell bent on the retrogression of feminism. >> > > > > Yanno...... > > Different music reaches different people. I am so sick of hearing people > > trash the very artists who bring a smile to my kids. My daughters will sit > > for hours and sing those songs that other people find silly. Their rooms > > are > > plastered with magazine cutouts of boy bands. They wait for the next tour > > the > > same way we do. They aren't looking for deep messages in the lyrics.... > > they > > just sing their hearts out to songs that make 'em happy. ( of course they > > know all the words to Poe's songs , too ) :-) > > I can't count how many times my daughter has dedicated " Bye Bye Bye " to a > > different boy....lol. I'm GLAD they have music they can relate to . It > > doesn't mean that their taste in music is stupid or not properly evolved > > .... > > at any age. It just means that their taste is different. There is a reason > > those groups are making money..... ALOT of people like them ! Kids and > > adults, alike. > > > > ~jez > > > > Just as people make assumptions about people that listen to boybands, > teenagers are always subject to the assumption that because of their age they > can name any song on the radio. My mom plays a trivia game at a bar every > week, and one of the categories was "Things All Teenage Girls Love". I could > answer 2 out of the 17 questions, being 16 years old. > > Not all of us are in the dark when it comes to music like Bob Dylan (or TOM > Dylan, as he is referred to by some of my peers). > > - --Kim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 16:46:27 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Cobb Subject: The Only Poe Tabs on the Net Find them in Poe's Archive on Ed's site http://divinity.relic.net/poe Just to reiterate, The House Hex is there, too Adahlfin __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 18:56:54 -0600 From: "Anthony Bender" Subject: Re: Padre Fear It isn't on the CD? j/k Yeah it should have been. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Cobb" To: Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 6:30 PM Subject: Padre Fear > > Would anyone who has heard "Padre Fear" agree that it > almost sounds like it should have been on Haunted. > Maybe we will see it and "How Long" on a single. > > Adahlfin > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:00:10 EST From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers In a message dated 2/3/01 6:53:40 PM Central Standard Time, sarmnstr@earthlink.net writes: > (i'm not fond of bob dylan, having > Hehe am I the only person that can stand his voice? I grew up listening to him too, my parents have all of his albums... I saw Joan Baez about a year ago in concert and she sang my favourite song of his "Don't Think Twice, It's Alright" and I guess her purty voice helped his lyrics shine through... ~*~ Fade, made the fade, passion's overrated anyway~ Massive Attack ~*~ There is no power like my pretty power~ Hole ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:10:27 EST From: GloryBox84@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers In a message dated 2/3/2001 7:06:05 PM Central Standard Time, LiveThruThisVow@aol.com writes: > Hehe am I the only person that can stand his voice? I grew up listening > to him too, my parents have all of his albums... I saw Joan Baez about a > year > ago in concert and she sang my favourite song of his "Don't Think Twice, > It's > Almost any unbearable Bob Dylan song sounds good by cover (The Box Tops, Cat Power, Nina Simone). They're good songs, a lot of times just not performed (IMHO) in a way that's polished enough. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:21:34 EST From: BoredPiXie@aol.com Subject: Poe on Ironminds I've been reading Ironminds since they signed on a few of the MST3K writers--they've gone now to form their own webzine, but that's besides the point. The point is, Ironminds has up a list of Valentine's day songs no matter what your mood is. And the point is, Poe is on it. Check out the article: http://www.ironminds.com/ironminds/issues/010202/tunes.shtml Sorry if someone else has already mentioned this. - --pix ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:23:35 EST From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers There are so many Bob Dylan songs people have covered, someone I know didn't even know "Forever Young" was a Bob Dylan song. His voice isn't bad at all though if you listen to the lyrics. ~*~ Fade, made the fade, passion's overrated anyway~ Massive Attack ~*~ There is no power like my pretty power~ Hole ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 18:30:08 -0800 (PST) From: Fenimore Bergen Subject: NPR Re: virus warnings and stuff I work for Dell Computers doing tech support and things like that. I do want to say that the Pretty Park virus is real. But it is also older and most virus protection such as Norton and Mcafee well detect it without a problem if you have updated your virus protection since November of last year. I don't know about the flower one, but Pretty Park is a real virus. It just shouldn't be a threat to those who do update their virus protection. Just thought that I would add my opinion here. Fenimore _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 20:17:53 -0800 (PST) From: tearinhand Subject: NPR Re: HOL - --- Morgie * wrote: > > Hey guys, > House of Leaves freaks me out,it's an awesome book, > but its disturbing. > Does anyone else reading it feel the same way??? > What about the part with > the Pekinese puppy?? I dunno there are somethings in > that book that I just > don't understand.... > lemme know whatcha think > *~Morgie~* > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Hey psss... yeah uh when you talk about the book don't give away anything or at least say at somewhere before you do give something away that you are doing that. there are probably some of us (like me) who haven't read it yet I just wanted to say this before it happened thanks Sara ===== "I'm not a habit, I'm a lifestyle. I will not be a habit for a man. Ever." ~Tori Amos~ "i descend from grace in arms of undertow i will take my place in the great below." -Trent Reznor, The Great Below- http://www.crosswinds.net/~tearinhand99/entry.html ~A Girl and Her Piano~ __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:26:44 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers In a message dated 2/3/2001 8:06:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, LiveThruThisVow@aol.com writes: > > > Hehe am I the only person that can stand his voice? I grew up listening > to him too, my parents have all of his albums... I saw Joan Baez about a > year > ago in concert and she sang my favourite song of his "Don't Think Twice, > It's > Alright" and I guess her purty voice helped his lyrics shine through... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ever hear Ani DiFranco sing that live version of "Most Of The Time" that she did while touring with Dylan? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 21:41:31 -0800 From: "Patrick Davis" Subject: NPR What's the deal? Why must we speak in terms of sex, religion, age, or sexual orientation. Do we really need to define ourselves in difference. where me meet here in the wired does difference really exist? No, there is no such thing as difference here. There is no male or female, there is no hetro, homo, or bi-sexual. Here on your computer those things do not exist they are a non-issue. Here we are all the same, we are made up of 1's and 0's all of the other things are trivial and literally non-existent. "Matters of grave importance should be decided upon lightly. While matters of small importance should be decided upon seriously." Maxims of lord Nabeshima Naoshige 1597 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 00:39:24 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: The Only Poe Tabs on the Net - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Cobb" Subject: The Only Poe Tabs on the Net > Find them in Poe's Archive on Ed's site > http://divinity.relic.net/poe > Just to reiterate, The House Hex is there, too and if you did not already know, this site is AKA Http://Poe.Navelsex.Com sp00k #### ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 00:57:02 EST From: Sailor6233@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers I love Bob Dylan, and I like his voice. Joan Baez is really good, too. ~maggie~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 01:15:57 -0500 From: "not an angel" Subject: [NPR] Re: HOL >From: "Morgie *" > >Hey guys, >House of Leaves freaks me out, It freaks me out, too. >it's an awesome book, Definitely! I even bought copies of it as Christmas gifts for my friends. >but its disturbing. That it is... >Does anyone else reading it feel the same way??? I think it's one of the most beautifully written things I've ever read. If anyone knows where I can find lit crit on it or which colleges have it on their reading lists would be wonderful because if I can find that out I can do my big independent research project on it and make my entire English class listen to me ramble on and on about it :) >What about the part with >the Pekinese puppy?? That definitely threw me off a li'l bit. It seemed like it was an odd li'l story to put in that part of the book but it fit. >I dunno there are somethings in that book that I just >don't understand.... There are some things I didn't get at first but after thinking about it for a while everything I've read so far (I'm not quite done with the book yet 'cause I keep going back and rereading parts of it) makes sense. - --Tracey. http://angelbite.diaryland.com/ now playing: lemon meringue [p0e] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #49 **********************************