From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #48 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Saturday, February 3 2001 Volume 06 : Number 048 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers ["J.R. Jobe" ] Re: AP Sticker Update (Actual Link Included) [KoriG@aol.com] Re: VIRUS WARNING ["Mike Hotham" ] Poe stuff [AMCFLND1@aol.com] "Hey Pretty (Drive-By)" Requests [KoriG@aol.com] Re: angry women rockers [KoriG@aol.com] Re: NPR gays/lesbians ["Anthony Bender" ] RE: promoting poe ["Cygnus" ] Re: NPR ....boy bands and teeny boppers [FantomBeauty ] Re: NPR gays/lesbians ["Lee Wang 444" ] Anything MP3 ["Dominik Cordey" ] Re: *NPR* open/closed minded ["Anthony Bender" ] Re: NPR gays/lesbians ["Anthony Bender" ] Re: NPR/SPR gays/lesbians,and KROQ [AT ] npr: greek love [Jennifer Ralston ] NPR: Grecian AlphaBeta ["Lee Wang 444" ] Re: AP Sticker Update [Trueluhv2000@aol.com] Re: promoting poe [Trueluhv2000@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #44 [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #44 [Dracovixen@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 23:16:22 -0800 (PST) From: "J.R. Jobe" Subject: Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers - ---I know that when I was younger, I liked some 'groups' that were, back then at least, considered in the same realm as these pop groups today. Like you said, I wasn't looking for deep messages, I just wanted I could sing along with. (Oh man, why did I just admit that?) So even though I don't like Britney and the rest, I try not to trash them too much. I know I would have killed someone if they bad mouthed my favorite groups as a child. - ---Jobe - --- JezebeIlnHeII@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/2/01 8:05:12 PM Alaskan > Standard Time, > crisis_chick@juno.com writes: > > << so sick of the Brittney Spears and Jennifer > Lopez's of the world > who seem to be so hell bent on the retrogression of > feminism. >> > > Yanno...... > Different music reaches different people. I am so > sick of hearing people > trash the very artists who bring a smile to my kids. > My daughters will sit > for hours and sing those songs that other people > find silly. Their rooms are > plastered with magazine cutouts of boy bands. They > wait for the next tour the > same way we do. They aren't looking for deep > messages in the lyrics.... they > just sing their hearts out to songs that make 'em > happy. ( of course they > know all the words to Poe's songs , too ) :-) > I can't count how many times my daughter has > dedicated " Bye Bye Bye " to a > different boy....lol. I'm GLAD they have music they > can relate to . It > doesn't mean that their taste in music is stupid or > not properly evolved .... > at any age. It just means that their taste is > different. There is a reason > those groups are making money..... ALOT of people > like them ! Kids and > adults, alike. > > ~jez __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 02:28:32 EST From: JezebeIlnHeII@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers In a message dated 2/2/01 10:16:44 PM Alaskan Standard Time, commissioner_jobe@yahoo.com writes: < I just wanted I could sing along with. (Oh man, why did I just admit that?) > Aw, c'mon Jobe. who were they. tell us, tell us :-) ~jez ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 23:50:44 -0800 (PST) From: "J.R. Jobe" Subject: Re: NPR .. boy bands and teeny boppers - ---Sorry but no... that one I will take to the grave. And no, it wasn't New Kids on the Block, that would be my older sister's group, which in turn, made me hate them. - ---Jobe - --- JezebeIlnHeII@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/2/01 10:16:44 PM Alaskan > Standard Time, > commissioner_jobe@yahoo.com writes: > > < I just > wanted I could sing along with. > (Oh man, why did I just admit that?) > > > Aw, c'mon Jobe. who were they. tell us, tell us :-) > > ~jez __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 03:02:06 EST From: Ivysnow09@aol.com Subject: Fwd: NPR gays/lesbians Hey you guys, I dunno what's up, but I sent the following e-mail to list at like 1:30pm 2.2.01. It's 3am now, and I still haven't gotten. So if you get this e-mail twice... I'm terribly sorry.... - -Ivy- Forwarded e-mail- Iamtheher4u@aol.com wrote: << I'm 17 and I'm already more tolerant than most of my friends parents. >> I think a lot of younger people are more open to gays and lesbians because of the generation they grew up in. This in no means stands for ALL people, I'm just saying that a lot of people (mostly older from my experience) don't approve. That's because they were raised in a generation that thought gays/lesbians were bad. And unfortunately they passed that on to their children. But then there are the people that are supportive. And I lvoe those people! I'm not one to judge, because I hate (with a passion) being judged myself, but from my experience the ones that support gays/lesbians are more open minded, and open minded people to me are the best! The way I look at it is- if you can't (not really support), but at least accept someone because they like someone of the same sex then you're really not (for lack of better word) a dreamer. Because you have too many clouds in your way- therefore you can't see the impossible happening. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying that gays/lesbians are going to change the world. I just think if you're so closed minded about something like someone's sexual preference (something you have nothing to do with in the first place) then that must reflect in the rest of your personality. - -Ivy- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 02:01:36 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin uong Subject: NPR: VIRUS WARNING I got this message from my professor. > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 16:32:50 -0500 > From: Janet Benn > Subject: FW: VIRUS WARNING > To: Aaron Blodgett , > Abraham Ravett , Alexandra > Keller , > Alexandra Keller , > Ana M Campos , > Antran Manoogian , > Ari Bergman , > Barbara Kearney , Ben > Singer , > Benjamin Balser , > Beverly Park Woolf , Bill Brand > , > BlackMariaFest , > Bonnie Vigeland , > Bounma Chanthavong , > Carlos Salsedo , > CAROLYN ANDERSON , Chan-I > Min , > Chris Lamb Toubeau , > Christian Malsch , > Cindy Furtek , Copper > Giloth , > Damon Gunn , "David B. Levy" > , > David Parmenter , > David Plansky , David > Vikre , > Debra Solomon , > Debra Zimmerman , Dillon Markey > , > Eddy Houchins , "EDDYBABY58@aol. > com" , > Eileen Claveloux , > Elisabeth Subrin , > Ellen Wetmore , > Emily Hubley , Eun Kim > , > Eun S Kim , > "Frederick J. (Jamie) Fessenden" > , > Grady Gerbracht , > "Hao Qiang (Jonny) Chen" > , > Heather Kasunick , > Heather Tullio , > Ila - MTV Abramson , > James Gilbert , James > Maslak , > Jan Albert , Janet Benn > , > "Jason K. Hopkins" , > Jason Nutt , Jason Vosu > , > Jeff Heath , Jen Oxley > , > Jen Sirois , Jesal > Kapadia , > Joan Braderman , John Burt > , > John Zaccone , John Zawislak > , > John Zawislak , > Judith Ercolini , Justin > West , > Kamal Hatami , Kara Lynch > , > Karen Aqua , Kathy Manning > , > Kelli E Gagnon , > Kenny Ging Goon , "Kim E. Hall" > , > Linda Simensky , > Linda Vigdor , Maggie Monty > , > Margarita D Bratkova , > Mark Champigny , Mark Van > Wye , > Marlene Znoy , Masako > Kanayama , > Maureen Furniss , > "Michael E. Coblyn" , > Mike Riendeau , > Nancy Beiman , > Nancy Inouye , Nancy Inouye > , > Nancy Keegan Lennert , Nancy Perry > , > NK Lean Young , > Pam Scoville Barnett , > "Pamela J. Smith" , > PATRICIA GALVIS-ASSMUS , > Patrick & Jason White , > Paul A Larrow , Paul Hudson > , > Pauline E Stakelon , > Pixie Pipkin , Raf Anzovin > , > Randall Wakerlin , > Rhonda Cox , Robin Johnson > , > Robyn Cutler , > Ron Michaud , Rosella Matt > , > Sally Niedbala , > Stacy Herbert , Steve > Anzovin , > Steve Boelcskevy , > "StretchJRD@aol. com" , Sue > Perotto , > Susan Eve Jahoda , > Sybil DelGaudio , Terry > Lawler , > Theresa Lam , > Todd C MacGarvey , > Trisha Scott , > Van Denburgh Damian , > Vasu Thunyalukul , Vin > D'Agostino , > Wendy Jackson Hall , > William Beltre , > Yvette Kaplan , Yvette > Kaplan > > I received this from a trusted friend. > > -----Original Message----- > From: HarveySwern [mailto:harveyswern@home.com] > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 1:39 AM > To: Dr. Denny > Subject: VIRUS WARNING > > > >Subject: Fwd: VIRUS WARNING > >Hi -- This is a virus warning I received. Pass it > on > > > > > > > > >DO NOT OPEN "PRETTY PARK" It is a virus that will > >erase your whole "C" drive. It will come to you in > >the form of an E-Mail from a familiar person. > >I repeat a friend sent it to me, but called & > >warned me before I opened it. He was not so lucky > and now > >he can't even start his computer! Forward this to > >everyone in your address book. I would rather > receive > >this 25 times than not at all. > > > >Also: Intel announced that a new and very > >destructive virus was discovered recently. If you > receive > >an email called "An Internet Flower For You", do > not > >open it. Delete it right away! This virus removes > all > >dynamic link libraries (.dll files) from your > computer. > >Your computer will not be able to boot up. > > > >SEND THIS TO EVERYONE ON YOUR CONTACT LIST !! > > > > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 07:06:57 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: AP Sticker Update (Actual Link Included) In a message dated 2/2/01 11:11:41 PM, poekicksass@yahoo.com writes: >hmm...how about one >for www.poe.org? Since that site is endorsed and more or less dictated by Atlantic, I think it would be best to leqave any promotion of that in their hands. But again, this is just my opinion. Give your opinions and thoughts. KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 07:24:06 -0500 From: "Mike Hotham" Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING This email (not mine,the one i'm replying to), in effect, is the actual "virus." It's just a hoax like or the cookie recipe or countless othe virus warnings. It's somebody's attempt at being annoying and scaring the masses. (Sure we've *all* thought about doing it at some point ;] j/k) Are there email viruses? Yes. but this, with all probability, ain't one of them. http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html but more specifically... http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/articles/prettypark.html http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/flower.for.you.html - -Mike (aka tick or _tick) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 08:40:01 EST From: AMCFLND1@aol.com Subject: Poe stuff Hey - - Does anyone by any chance have a spare plastic Poe bag....I had one, and then my mother, trying to be helpful, decided to clean my pig sty of a room and threw out all the "trash" which I guess included really rare hard to find poe bags. please please please help me out Sara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 11:09:30 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: "Hey Pretty (Drive-By)" Requests Yes, I know this has been covered, but it cannot be stressed enough -- THE REQUESTS ARE WORKING. One PowerThatBe even stated "Atlantic is shitting themselves." The future's so bright, we are all gonna need Ray Ban's. But of course, it's no time to take a nap. Keep it up! These are our current focus stations. Keep on hitting these plus others, of course, but these stations will give us the most impact at this time. KROQ Los Angeles www.kroq.com requests@kroq.com WBCN Boston www.wbcn.com http://64.55.37.106/live/wbcn_com_contact_files/main.htm KNRK Portland www.91x.com http://www.91x.com/contact2.html Here are some additional stations we are really trying to get rolling as well. I just have the request line phone numbers here, but everyone in the broadcast area of these respective stations can identify their station and find the additional info. Their websites tend to be "www.[call letters].com", but that is not always the case. But hey, you can give it a try. : ) live 105 S.F. 415-478-5483 y100 phila 800-232-1003 kpnt st.louis 314-wow-dude kbzz houston 713-333-9494 wbcn boston 617-536-8000 knrk port. 502-223-1441 99x atlanta 404-741-0997 Q101 chicago 773-244-1398 91x san diego 619-570-1919 96x salt lake 801-670-9696 whfs D.C. 800-321-9437 Snootchie Bootchies! KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 11:23:19 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: angry women rockers In a message dated 2/2/01 9:19:24 PM, DSIRERAB2@aol.com writes: >i emailed someone at 99.5kiss (san antonio rock station) about puting >some femanist rock on the air or any hard rock with female singers and >he wrote back: "May I suggest Prozac?". i think its a bunch of b/s that >women in rock aren't getting the attention they deserve and poeple like >him feel they have to be dicks about it. What a rude response to a request! Give us that station's e-mail address. It's flame time! KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 03:42:34 -0600 From: "Anthony Bender" Subject: Re: NPR gays/lesbians One of the problems I've seen with people with people trying to be "open minded" is they throw away what they believe to be right or remain silent as not to seem "closed minded". People are in a way, either by the media or small vocal groups of people, are being made to go along with things that are or were considered wrong. Because of a lack of strong "closed minded" people our country is in moral decay, you see the effects on Springer, Judge Judy,and in the Columbine shooting every day. It was "close minded" people that founded this country and didn't "accept" British rule, and it was "close minded" people that didn't remain silent and accept the Nazis view on the world. Too often people get labeled for standing their ground. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 2:02 AM Subject: Fwd: NPR gays/lesbians > > Hey you guys, I dunno what's up, but I sent the following e-mail to list at > like 1:30pm 2.2.01. It's 3am now, and I still haven't gotten. So if you get > this e-mail twice... I'm terribly sorry.... > > > -Ivy- > > > Forwarded e-mail- > > > Iamtheher4u@aol.com wrote: > > << I'm 17 and I'm already more tolerant than most of my friends parents. >> > > I think a lot of younger people are more open to gays and lesbians because of > the generation they grew up in. This in no means stands for ALL people, I'm > just saying that a lot of people (mostly older from my experience) don't > approve. That's because they were raised in a generation that thought > gays/lesbians were bad. And unfortunately they passed that on to their > children. But then there are the people that are supportive. And I lvoe > those people! > > I'm not one to judge, because I hate (with a passion) being judged myself, > but from my experience the ones that support gays/lesbians are more open > minded, and open minded people to me are the best! The way I look at it is- > if you can't (not really support), but at least accept someone because they > like someone of the same sex then you're really not (for lack of better word) > a dreamer. Because you have too many clouds in your way- therefore you can't > see the impossible happening. > > Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying that gays/lesbians are going to > change the world. I just think if you're so closed minded about something > like someone's sexual preference (something you have nothing to do with in > the first place) then that must reflect in the rest of your personality. > > > -Ivy- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:48:13 -0500 From: "Cygnus" Subject: RE: promoting poe AP's, think back to the orange and blue "76" gas station ball people used to put on their car antennas. Instead this would be a Red ball with a white POE logo. ~m -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org] On Behalf Of KrodKnid@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 12:37 AM To: sarmnstr@earthlink.net; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: promoting poe In a message dated 2/2/2001 10:33:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, sarmnstr@earthlink.net writes: > i don't know how styrofoam would hold up.. what about a pingpong ball.... > i think that's what walmart's little smileyface was made out of anyway > -s > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that person meant styrofoam...I think whoever it was meant that hardened foam stuff like they put in vases to stick flower stems into and hold water...they use that stuff for college sports team paraphernalia that you stick on the tip of your car antenna. It holds up real well. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:24:59 -0800 (PST) From: FantomBeauty Subject: Re: NPR ....boy bands and teeny boppers Thanks Jez. I would just like to state for the record that I am 23 years old, and yes, I love NSync. I even saw them in concert this summer. My roommate and I were the oldest people in there without children, true, but we had a blast. They can sing. And they can dance. And forgive me for being a red blooded woman, but damn, they are HOT!!! LOL I just cant help it, when Justin Timberlake does that thing that he does and then gives that little grin of his, I curse Britney Spears for bein one lucky bitch. But though their music may be mindless, or not well thought out and meaningful like Poe's in some people's eyes, that doesnt make them any less of a band or a mass appealing group of hotties (sorry, I had to!!). Only thing they have over her is air time. So who gives if they are not profound- they are fun, you can dance to them, and they are played. And they must have some talent, or we would all be saying N'who? FantomBeauty __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:25:17 -0800 (PST) From: Shanna Hollich Subject: *NPR* open/closed minded - --- Anthony Bender wrote: > > One of the problems I've seen with people with > people trying to be "open > minded" is they throw away what they believe to be > right or remain silent as > not to seem "closed minded". People are in a way, > either by the media or > small vocal groups of people, are being made to go > along with things that > are or were considered wrong. Because of a lack of > strong "closed minded" > people our country is in moral decay, you see the > effects on Springer, Judge > Judy,and in the Columbine shooting every day. It was > "close minded" people > that founded this country and didn't "accept" > British rule, and it was > "close minded" people that didn't remain silent and > accept the Nazis view on > the world. Too often people get labeled for standing > their ground. Open mindedness is not about violence, disrespect, immorality, or tyranny. And anyone who accepts these things for fear of being considered "closed minded" has horribly misconstrued the meaning of having an open mind. It is possible (nay, necessary) to stand up for one's convictions, morals, and beliefs. Open mindedness comes into play when confronting someone with differing convictions/morals/beliefs. An open minded person would listen calmly and rationally to the other person's arguments and points, but would not necessarily be swayed by them. It is possible to say, "Okay, that's what you believe in, and that's fine. (So long as it's not harming other people, but I'll get to that in a second.) I don't agree with you, but I'm not going to kill you or maim you or hate you in the name of my convictions/morals/beliefs." A close minded individual would be more likely to dismiss the other person's words entirely, not listen at all, and probably end up getting angry, defensive, or even violent. One can be open minded without accepting everything (or anything, for that matter). And when another person's view is causing harm to another person/group of people, then certainly one does not need to accept that for fear of being labeled "closed minded." I hope there was a point in that random drivel somewhere. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. ===== Shanna Hollich - Shadow123@poe.org AOL IM: RHFoJO shadow123.diaryland.com NO S N B- C~ L- O++ CV __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:39:29 -0800 From: "Lee Wang 444" Subject: Re: NPR gays/lesbians These comments may all be true if we lived in a world where there is a single Truth. However, Truth has the knack to keep changing and multiplying itself so that at any given time there could be more than one Truth. It's a far more fluid thing than static, if Truth even exists at all, since it is the individual who defines it and it changes with each individual, gay straight black white man woman and those are the socalled "poles" and I'm leaving out the labels "in between." Your examples of colonial revolutionists and those against the Nazis spell out the multiplicity of Truth. These people chose not to accept British Truth or Nazi Truth, respectively. Were the British wrong? Maybe. And the Nazis? Well, we definitiely see it like that, but we're still seeing it which is prone to subjectivity. [Note: I'm in no way justifying the Nazis.] Anyhow, I consider myself a closeminded guy: I have a big problem with people who use drugs, I am reluctant to watch certain kinds of movies cos I see them as too hip, and so on. Leave sleeping dogs lay. rambling always Lee Storm sees me dyin he dont feel nuthin. "Do your dreams come true?" "I haven't had a nice dream for years." >One of the problems I've seen with people with people trying to be "open >minded" is they throw away what they believe to be right or remain silent >as >not to seem "closed minded". People are in a way, either by the media or >small vocal groups of people, are being made to go along with things that >are or were considered wrong. Because of a lack of strong "closed minded" >people our country is in moral decay, you see the effects on Springer, >Judge >Judy,and in the Columbine shooting every day. It was "close minded" people >that founded this country and didn't "accept" British rule, and it was >"close minded" people that didn't remain silent and accept the Nazis view >on >the world. Too often people get labeled for standing their ground. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:48:05 From: "Dominik Cordey" Subject: Anything MP3 Hey guys...I'm looking for the mp3 of "Anything"...I've read the lyrics and I'd like to hear the song. any of you want to help a fellow AP out? Ryan "Be of heart and fear nothing. Your allotted days of stupidity have expired and tommorrow will induct you into the full joys of your novel existence." - -- Edgar Allan Poe, "The Conversation of Eiros and Charmion" "I'm not a habit. I'm a lifestyle. I'll never be a man's habit. Ever" - -- Tori Amos _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:55:28 -0600 From: "Anthony Bender" Subject: Re: *NPR* open/closed minded When I say this I'm not attacking anybody or disrespecting anyone. Isn't it human nature to not accept what is different? For thousands of years these thoughts and feelings have been floating around, is it possible to change all that in a few short years, or even a thousand? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shanna Hollich" To: Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 12:25 PM Subject: *NPR* open/closed minded > > --- Anthony Bender wrote: > > > > One of the problems I've seen with people with > > people trying to be "open > > minded" is they throw away what they believe to be > > right or remain silent as > > not to seem "closed minded". People are in a way, > > either by the media or > > small vocal groups of people, are being made to go > > along with things that > > are or were considered wrong. Because of a lack of > > strong "closed minded" > > people our country is in moral decay, you see the > > effects on Springer, Judge > > Judy,and in the Columbine shooting every day. It was > > "close minded" people > > that founded this country and didn't "accept" > > British rule, and it was > > "close minded" people that didn't remain silent and > > accept the Nazis view on > > the world. Too often people get labeled for standing > > their ground. > > Open mindedness is not about violence, disrespect, > immorality, or tyranny. And anyone who accepts these > things for fear of being considered "closed minded" > has horribly misconstrued the meaning of having an > open mind. > > It is possible (nay, necessary) to stand up for one's > convictions, morals, and beliefs. Open mindedness > comes into play when confronting someone with > differing convictions/morals/beliefs. An open minded > person would listen calmly and rationally to the other > person's arguments and points, but would not > necessarily be swayed by them. It is possible to say, > "Okay, that's what you believe in, and that's fine. > (So long as it's not harming other people, but I'll > get to that in a second.) I don't agree with you, but > I'm not going to kill you or maim you or hate you in > the name of my convictions/morals/beliefs." A close > minded individual would be more likely to dismiss the > other person's words entirely, not listen at all, and > probably end up getting angry, defensive, or even > violent. > > One can be open minded without accepting everything > (or anything, for that matter). And when another > person's view is causing harm to another person/group > of people, then certainly one does not need to accept > that for fear of being labeled "closed minded." > > I hope there was a point in that random drivel > somewhere. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. > > ===== > Shanna Hollich - Shadow123@poe.org > AOL IM: RHFoJO > shadow123.diaryland.com > NO S N B- C~ L- O++ CV > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 12:57:32 -0600 From: "Anthony Bender" Subject: Re: NPR gays/lesbians True true, it's a sure bet the British and Nazis thought they were on the right side. History is written by the winners. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Wang 444" To: Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 12:39 PM Subject: Re: NPR gays/lesbians > > These comments may all be true if we lived in a world where there is a > single Truth. However, Truth has the knack to keep changing and multiplying > itself so that at any given time there could be more than one Truth. It's a > far more fluid thing than static, if Truth even exists at all, since it is > the individual who defines it and it changes with each individual, gay > straight black white man woman and those are the socalled "poles" and I'm > leaving out the labels "in between." > > Your examples of colonial revolutionists and those against the Nazis spell > out the multiplicity of Truth. These people chose not to accept British > Truth or Nazi Truth, respectively. Were the British wrong? Maybe. And the > Nazis? Well, we definitiely see it like that, but we're still seeing it > which is prone to subjectivity. [Note: I'm in no way justifying the Nazis.] > > Anyhow, I consider myself a closeminded guy: I have a big problem with > people who use drugs, I am reluctant to watch certain kinds of movies cos I > see them as too hip, and so on. > > Leave sleeping dogs lay. > > rambling always > Lee > Storm sees me dyin > > he dont feel > nuthin. > > "Do your dreams come true?" > "I haven't had a nice dream for years." > > >One of the problems I've seen with people with people trying to be "open > >minded" is they throw away what they believe to be right or remain silent > >as > >not to seem "closed minded". People are in a way, either by the media or > >small vocal groups of people, are being made to go along with things that > >are or were considered wrong. Because of a lack of strong "closed minded" > >people our country is in moral decay, you see the effects on Springer, > >Judge > >Judy,and in the Columbine shooting every day. It was "close minded" people > >that founded this country and didn't "accept" British rule, and it was > >"close minded" people that didn't remain silent and accept the Nazis view > >on > >the world. Too often people get labeled for standing their ground. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:21:49 -0800 From: AT Subject: Re: NPR/SPR gays/lesbians,and KROQ > History is written by the winners. - ----------------------------------------------------------- Its written by committee now.If you want real history , youll need to visit a library or used book store. The older the book is ,the more likely to be based in fact and not politcal dogma.Especially pre-world war.The horrifying text my daughter brings home can only be described as Multiculturism sprinkled with a few historical facts....*sigh* Whats this gotta do with gays/lesbiams? heh. Why do they call it Greek? Its all Latin to me. Only 117 shopping days left untill Hurricane season. PR content: I called the world famous KROQ and acted like I didnt know who sings Hey Pretty , but can you play it again?...I think that I seem more like someone who wants to hear the song that way. A sudden flood of emails *could* be taken as an orchestrated effort and discounted by the evil radioers. Think abbouddit. Dont worry ,I emailed them too. But thats just a suggestion for y'all in other radio 'markets' AT ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 14:27:47 -0500 From: Jennifer Ralston Subject: npr: greek love just to clarify, someone used ancient greece as an example of a society that revered gay love as the highest form. this is a common misconception. in the progression of a MAN's sexuality, they started as boys being taken in by older, more experienced men (hardly ever were these relationships between two men of the same age, that would defeat their purpose). it was the first romantic involvement of a male and as they matured, they moved on to women and then, the ultimate goal was supposed to be no involvement with another--not as self-sufficient masturbators, mind you--the idea was to progress to a purely intellectual stimulation. philosophy and stuff, you know? and to reitirate the response from someone else on the list "you can see where that got them". whatever the hell that means. whose alphabet do we use? not that this is a response to sunny and her trolling (which she is a bit jumpy to react to spooky for... maybe you need to read the posts a bit longer and see how easy any off-hand remark or opinion can turn into a flame war, sunny. this isn't a judgement on you or your preferences, but we are ap's and as such, ain't nobody gonna be giving out hugs for free around here it seems). not that i think it cares terribly much (or should) but i am a dyke and i don't judge people by who's pants they want to get into. - -jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:55:02 -0800 From: "Lee Wang 444" Subject: NPR: Grecian AlphaBeta Actually, we use the Latin alphabet. Greek is alpha beta gamma delta and so on. >whose alphabet do we use? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 15:16:30 EST From: Trueluhv2000@aol.com Subject: Re: AP Sticker Update In a message dated 2/2/01 2:05:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Oasage@aol.com writes: > polishchick.com stickers, p-o-e.com stickers, or just POE stickers? all 2 would definately RULE in my book. Just let me know when and where to send funds :) carri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 15:23:04 EST From: Trueluhv2000@aol.com Subject: Re: promoting poe In a message dated 2/2/01 10:14:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, Oasage@aol.com writes: > ok, i got an idea: > u know all those silly little Jack heads on everyone's car antenas? how > about > going to your local arts & crafts shop that sells those little styrofoam > balls, and making your own POEball!? it would seem easy to make, and prolly > pretty cheap as all you need is a little ball, and a black marker. my idea > of > a POEball would just be her logo. you know the one on the cover of hello. > simple but with a message, ya know? i thought of this this morning when i > was > in my astronomy class and looked up at the styrofoam model of the planets... > > but with a little creativity, these POEballs could look however you want > them > to look. brainstorm peoples. > i think this is a cool idea...it might be kinda silly...BUT I like it :) love and stuff carri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 16:18:20 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #44 In a message dated 2/1/01 11:55:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > There are some formats that ARE currently receptive to women. > > > sp00k etc ... > > #### I understand that. There will always be exceptions. However, the overall feel you get from many forms of media is sexy practically brainless (I'm not saying they are brainless, but they are being portrayed that way) women, and angry men. Angry women are practically stigmatized. All my guy friends do it, even my boyfriend said to me that this singer and that singer "are just bitching and moaning, so what"? And I turned on him so quickly, asking him "And what do Nine Inch Nails do? Sing lullabies and ditties about bunnies in meadows?" Don't get me wrong, I like Nine Inch Nails, and they certainly aren't immersed into pop culture right now, but since he didn't like Limp Penis, I had to use something for an example. Korn does a lot of whining, too. But no one uses that against them. I don't care if they're whining, angry, bitching, moaning, complaining, whatever, as long as the music is good, and maybe they even have something worthwhile to say. So, once again, I'm pissed because they are being EXCLUSIVE. I couldn't care less if they want to portray brainless sex objects, as long as you got some serious and talented thinkers in there, too. And that goes for both genders. And if anyone jumps down my throat accusing me of bashing men again, READ THE FUCKING POST AGAIN AND AGAIN UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS NO MALICE AGAINST THE MALE GENDER, ONLY AGAINST THE UNFAIR PORTRAYAL AND EXCLUSIVENESS OF THE MEDIA. Thank you, and good day. Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 16:27:39 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #44 Honestly, I don't see most women who are labeled as "angry women rockers" as "angry women rockers". I am only using that term for those who are ignorant and need labels to make their lives more comfortable so that they will understand what I am talking about. I think Poe, and many other women, show many different sides to them (and men, too). One person told me that all Ani DiFranco does is bitch. But they haven't heard enough of her stuff to really make that judgment, and I told them that, because she is definitely not always bitching. Stupid people piss me off. But yes, I understand your point, and I agree. But you do need to come to common terms in order to communicate with others, and if you need to regress in order to do it, oh well. Black Dove In a message dated 2/1/01 11:55:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > Maybe I'm alone in this perspective, but I don't see Poe as an "angry women > rocker". What does that really mean? Is that the "riot grrl" type? I hate > that whole obnoxious image. A lot of girl- groups are proud of the > distinction, but I don't wonder why a lot of people have refused it. > Everyone > should learn to just ditch the labels and look at an artist's music for WHAT > > IT IS. I hate that everything has to be categorized. One of my brothers got > me into Poe and the other got me into Bikini Kill. Does that make them angry, > > unshaven girls? ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #48 **********************************