From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #32 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Tuesday, January 23 2001 Volume 06 : Number 032 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NPR Re: made the/to fade ["sp00k@poe.org" ] HOLhex help!!! [Davey08@aol.com] NPR: Religion and the trouble it gets you into... [Kimberly Davis ] Re: HOLhex help!!! duh I just found my answer [Davey08@aol.com] Re: Re:npr: opinions vs. numbers ["Anthony Bender" ] Re: NPR Re: made the/to fade ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: NPR Re: made the/to fade ["sp00k@poe.org" ] radio ["The Masque of the Red Death" ] Poe & Poe ["Stephen van Vuuren" ] Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian [Dracovixen] Re: Newbie [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #30 [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #30 [AT ] Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian [LoveJoy89@] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #30 [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian [KrodKnid@a] Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian ["MELISSA S] Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian [KBrooke311] NPR: Re: b00ts APD V6 #30 ["sp00k@poe.org" ] NPR: Ginger: What "IT" Is ? ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian [Dracovixen] Re: opinions vs. numbers [Erin Munster ] Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian ["Anthony B] Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian ["Anthony B] Re: Golden Globes... [GloryBox84@aol.com] Re: NPR: manson [GloryBox84@aol.com] Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian [KrodKnid@a] Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian [Dracovixen] Re: christianity "debate" [Iamtheher4u@aol.com] Re: NPR: Religion and the trouble it gets you into... [Iamtheher4u@aol.co] Re: opinions vs. numbers ["Anfrey Cheng" ] Npr River phonix [Roswellgrldc@aol.com] Re: Npr River phonix ["bonanza jelly-bean" ] Re: all a matter of interpretation ["Tori Amos" Subject: NPR Re: made the/to fade - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: When a band doesn't post their lyrics on the cd booklet, it's most likely because they want YOU to interperate the lyrics on your own. Did you just work an election down south? sp00k etc ... #### ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:29:42 EST From: Davey08@aol.com Subject: HOLhex help!!! Old topic, I know, but I just realized what a great addition that would make to my site! It's not my work, I know, but there are House of Leaves fans on the net who don't know anything about it. So does anyone still have that clip or any of the hex code from the cover? I don't own the hard cover (a shame I know) so I can't get it. Will give full credit where due. Thanks all! Dave Dave@poe.org "Dans la maison, l'obscuriti me consommera." House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski http://www.geocities.com/run_rom_run/ http://www.geocities.com/run_rom_run/nextous/nextous.html http://alphamix.50megs.com/ "Ces mots vous effrayent-ils?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:50:35 -0700 From: Kimberly Davis Subject: NPR: Religion and the trouble it gets you into... First of all I would like to say that I agree that the religious flaming has gone on long enough. I usually enjoy hearing other people's opinion on religion (it's fun and interesting as long as it doesn't turn into a heated argument), but that is just what happened. Respect for other people was thrown to the wayside so as people could preach, prove their point, or what have you. I am a wiccan and I have found many Christians who are wonderful representation of the religion and I have found others who should be classified as neanderthals. But I have found this true about all religions even my own. Some wiccans I am ashamed of because they give us such a bad name but that goes for all religions. Everyone has their own opinions and they have a right to them, but what they do not have a right to is to force their opinion on you or anyone else. When people start doing this that is when they start getting in trouble. Look at it this way, you are the spokesperson for your religion, how are you representing your group. As for Jesus, in my opinion, one of the greatest prophets, the first hippie most definitely, and I don't know about being Buddhist. But Jesus did meet the Buddah and he liked what he saw. It doesn't matter what bus you take just so long as you get there. Peace and Love, Kim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:59:59 -0800 From: "Red Halcyon" Subject: Re: NPR Re: made the/to fade I have to disagree with your statement, sp00k, mostly cos of its context. Livethruthisvow has an excellent point; one notable theory borne out of the sixties is thee socalled death of the author, in that the author and the text (or in this case album) is not the authoritative entity; that title belongs to the reader/listener, since the reader/listener will always impose his/her personality onto the given work. rambling always Lee Storm sees me dyin he dont feel nuthin. "Do your dreams come true?" "I haven't had a nice dream for years." > >When a band doesn't post their lyrics on the cd booklet, it's most likely >because they want YOU to interperate the lyrics on your own. > > > >Did you just work an election down south? > >sp00k etc ... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 02:07:05 EST From: Davey08@aol.com Subject: Re: HOLhex help!!! duh I just found my answer Thanks Polishchick.com!!!!! Dave Dave@poe.org "Dans la maison, l'obscuriti me consommera." House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski http://www.geocities.com/run_rom_run/ http://www.geocities.com/run_rom_run/nextous/nextous.html http://alphamix.50megs.com/ "Ces mots vous effrayent-ils?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:10:13 -0600 From: "Anthony Bender" Subject: Re: Re:npr: opinions vs. numbers Beating a dead horse....Guns & Roses song? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 11:57 PM Subject: Re: Re:npr: opinions vs. numbers > > In a message mikevaughn writes: > > >> > Second, I am allowed to make "grandiose pontifications" because this > >is a > >> > list of my opinions. And yes, they are emotional. > > Yes, you can make opinions, if they indeed stated as and in the form of an > opinion. "The house is blue" is not a statement of opinion. "The green house > looks blue to me" is. "All blondes are stupid" is an unfair statement. "All > blondes I meet are stupid", though not the most pleasant of statements, is > still fair to make. > > Mike, please learn these basic differences. > > (Just in case: This message was in no way meant to in any way insult > blondes. I was just using an example, as any reasonable person should see, > but it's been too evident lately that some people on this list aren't..... > therefore, I covereth my ass.) > > KORi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 23:35:01 -0800 From: "Mike Vaughn" Subject: RE: HOLhex help!!! duh I just found my answer Word! And thanks for CD! You rule. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Davey08@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 11:07 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: HOLhex help!!! duh I just found my answer Thanks Polishchick.com!!!!! Dave Dave@poe.org "Dans la maison, l'obscuriti me consommera." House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski http://www.geocities.com/run_rom_run/ http://www.geocities.com/run_rom_run/nextous/nextous.html http://alphamix.50megs.com/ "Ces mots vous effrayent-ils?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 02:32:48 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: NPR Re: made the/to fade - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Red Halcyon" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:59 AM Subject: Re: NPR Re: made the/to fade > > I have to disagree with your statement, sp00k, mostly cos of its context. > Livethruthisvow has an excellent point; one notable theory borne out of the > sixties is thee socalled death of the author, in that the author and the > text (or in this case album) is not the authoritative entity; that title > belongs to the reader/listener, since the reader/listener will always impose > his/her personality onto the given work. A great point, I was just making a joke about the joke that happend in Fla. I always thought the reason you don't get lyrics with your CD is cuz the record companies are cheap bastards.... sp00k etc ... #### ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 02:32:48 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: NPR Re: made the/to fade - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Red Halcyon" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:59 AM Subject: Re: NPR Re: made the/to fade > > I have to disagree with your statement, sp00k, mostly cos of its context. > Livethruthisvow has an excellent point; one notable theory borne out of the > sixties is thee socalled death of the author, in that the author and the > text (or in this case album) is not the authoritative entity; that title > belongs to the reader/listener, since the reader/listener will always impose > his/her personality onto the given work. A great point, I was just making a joke about the joke that happend in Fla. I always thought the reason you don't get lyrics with your CD is cuz the record companies are cheap bastards.... sp00k etc ... #### ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 02:35:27 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: NPR Re: made the/to fade - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Red Halcyon" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:59 AM Subject: Re: NPR Re: made the/to fade > > I have to disagree with your statement, sp00k, mostly cos of its context. > Livethruthisvow has an excellent point; one notable theory borne out of the > sixties is thee socalled death of the author, in that the author and the > text (or in this case album) is not the authoritative entity; that title > belongs to the reader/listener, since the reader/listener will always impose > his/her personality onto the given work. A great point, I was just making a joke about the joke that happend in Fla. I always thought the reason you don't get lyrics with your CD is cuz the record companies are cheap bastards.... sp00k etc ... #### ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:21:55 From: "The Masque of the Red Death" Subject: radio alright kids. i just got my radio show, its 10-12am mondays pacific time. i will be playing poe along with other stuff i like. (stuff most of you have never heard of, but maybe you have *shrug*) so tune in if you want to hear... www.kscrradio.com and click on the guy with the headphones to listen. ps. mad cao and ray, stop on down if you get a chance (really meaning if you are crazy enough to be up if you aren't in class). maybe ill even let you play something (as long as its not everclear ;) hahaha!) - -p _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:41:07 -0500 From: "Stephen van Vuuren" Subject: Poe & Poe In case in the impossible chance there are any classical guitar fans on the list, Ricardo Cobo on Tales for Guitar plays a Nikita Koshkin composition "Usher Waltz" based on the Fall of the House Usher. It's an amazing song and Ricardo is a wonderful player. I've seen him live a couple of times and he sounds even better live than recorded. When Ricardo performs live, he spends a couple of minutes explaining what parts of the story match up with sections of the song. It just makes me think about how well Poe's writings lend themselves to musical expressions... My point is, does anyone know if Poe will do Poe? I would love to see a Poe & Poe album, songs based around her namesakes writings which I have always loved. Anyway, not that any artist will create based on suggestions from others (I don't) but it just seems like a match made in heaven (or hell, seeing as it Edgar himself...) stephen www.xiveren.com "It's only after you've lost everything that you're free to do anything." ~Tyler~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:13:26 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian In a message dated 1/22/01 10:02:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > of people say they are "christians" but they dont go to church....duh!! then > u r not christian anymore... Hello, but a true Christian is a follower of and believer in Christ. You don't need a church to worship God and Christ. I actually admire these Christians that can worship their God invidually and not have this sheep mentality. The hierarchy of the church was not something that Jesus preached, ever, in the Bible. "The kingdom of God is within you", remember? Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:16:40 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: Newbie In a message dated 1/22/01 10:02:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > October Project October Project!!! Whoo-hoo! Have you heard the stuff from their new band (known as November Project)? Welcome to the list! Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:21:42 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #30 In a message dated 1/22/01 10:02:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > SO I guess what I am trying to say is thank you, > Black Dove. Thank you for being a strong, > opinionated, intelligent woman, and for telling these > men to shut the hell up...... LOL > > FantomBeauty You're so very welcome! And yes, you're right, it's not always a girl with low self-esteem, I know what it's like to get caught up in things...That's when my great big black boots come out and kick them where it counts... :) Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:05:51 -0800 From: AT Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #30 > You're so very welcome! And yes, you're right, it's not always a girl with > low self-esteem, I know what it's like to get caught up in things...That's > when my great big black boots come out and kick them where it counts... :) > Black Dove ******************************************************************* You can make big bucks doing that, at least in L.A. anyway AT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:12:18 EST From: LoveJoy89@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian Black Dove- You are absolutely right. I have been refraining from posting about this whole subject because I didn't want to say something I shouldn't. Going to church has nothing to do with being a Christian, church is religion, not Christianity, religion is a man-made thing that has nothing to do with your personal relationship with Christ. Joy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:43:30 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #30 In a message dated 1/23/2001 3:25:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, mb882@earthlink.net writes: > > You're so very welcome! And yes, you're right, it's not always a girl with > > low self-esteem, I know what it's like to get caught up in things...That's > > when my great big black boots come out and kick them where it counts... :) > > Black Dove > > ******************************************************************* > You can make big bucks doing that, at least in L.A. anyway > AT > Heh, heh...fetish shows. Lots of big cities have 'em:-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:42:21 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian In a message dated 1/23/2001 1:42:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dracovixen@aol.com writes: > Hello, but a true Christian is a follower of and believer in Christ. You > don't need a church to worship God and Christ. I actually admire these > Christians that can worship their God invidually and not have this sheep > mentality. The hierarchy of the church was not something that Jesus > preached, > ever, in the Bible. "The kingdom of God is within you", remember? > Black Dove > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It also tells of a time when "Man will not preach one to another 'Know ye God', for all shall know Me." People at that time who go around evangelizing will be esteemed as fools, since it will be tantamount to preaching that the grass is green or the sky is blue. The true church is the body of God...that is to say, everyone the spirit of God is living in. Ah, the freedom...no accusation there...God will not be putting God's own self down:-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:51:27 -0800 From: "MELISSA STEWARD" Subject: Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian Not Poe Related (unfortunately): I would like to second the vote for stopping the strong talk of religion. That's not what this list is for. Yes, it's for opinions and some of the posts were peoples "opinions" about religion. But the majority of them were a little more like preaching, I felt like I was back in bible school for a second. Everyone has their own beliefs, so let's just leave it at that. Poe related: I am really anxious for Poe to tour again. Any news of this? Also, did they figure out the glitch about names not appearing on the psycho ward list? Melissa _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:54:40 EST From: KBrooke311@cs.com Subject: Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian Not going to church doesn't mean your not a christian. As long as you live your life like you should and you believe in God and everything that goes along with it, that in my opinion makes you a christian. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:10:36 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: NPR: Re: b00ts APD V6 #30 > > > You're so very welcome! And yes, you're right, it's not always a girl with > > > low self-esteem, I know what it's like to get caught up in things...That's > > > when my great big black boots come out and kick them where it counts... :) > > > Black Dove > > > > ******************************************************************* > > You can make big bucks doing that, at least in L.A. anyway > > AT > > KrodKnid@aol.com > Heh, heh...fetish shows. Lots of big cities have 'em:-) > um no... lots of guys in small cities pay big money to have this done to them, and thousands of other things... in private, unless they like it in public, then its extra. sp00k etc ... #### ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:29:09 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: NPR: Ginger: What "IT" Is ? Hey U PsYcHoS have you heard all the chatter about "Ginger" AKA "IT" ???? is "IT" an early april fools joke? It would seem that this "IT" is supposed to be bigger than the Internet. I had hEARd about "IT" a couple weeks ago, and suspected that "IT" would probably just go away. But today "IT" resurfaced in my range via NPR (National Public Radio) while I was taking a break from Rush, the king of conservatives, not the band.... There was some speculation that it mite be a personal power supply that uses just about anything for fuel, another thought it mite be that, but also a laser that would purify water, most speculation centers around a personal navigation device similar to the recent razor scooters that seem to be all the rage. I wrote them off as you know the police ain't gonna go for razor scooters with motors on them. However, they incorporate a gyroscope, which is supposed to keep it balanced while you are at idle... Oh well I know there are lots of techie types around here, here's a couple of links let me know what "IT" is This mysterious invention, reportedly created by National Medal of Technology Award winner, Dean Kamen, is on everyone's lips and has captured everyone's imaginations. According to published reports, IT has caught the undivided attentions of tech revolutionaries like Apple's Steve Jobs and Amazon.com entrepreneur Jeff Bezos. Alledgedly, these progressive minds are stunned; praise and sheer amazement flow from the lucky few who have seen IT (code name: Ginger). A book deal is already in the works, news magazines are clamoring for information, and the Internet is a flurry of IT chatter. http://www.theitquestion.com/ http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/21/weekinreview/21HARM.html sp00k etc ... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday Chat 10PM East http://Poe.Org Visit My "POE" Place http://www.sp00k.com 3 INDIE Rock Grrlz http://EmberSwift.com Hear What I Hear ? http://wber.monroe.edu/live.ram 80K Feed ? http://wber.monroe.edu/live2.ram ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:46:32 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian The church asserted itself as the head of the religion. In case you haven't noticed, throughout history the church has done everything it can (it seems like) to gain power over people. Ultimately, the church is run by a bunch of men. Where did that God appoint them as the head of His religion? The definition of a Christian is one who follows and believes in the teachings of "Christ". Hence, why they are called "Christian". The church can teach you about Christ in their slanted interpretations, but you can learn on your own. My point was and still is, that you do not have to go to church in order to call yourself a Christian. There are people I know that go to church, and are NOT Christians. They go only because they feel they have to. I have a black lesbian friend who is a devout Catholic. She is a believer in Christ's teachings. She follows them. A Christian is also someone who believes that Christ was the messiah. If you believe this, you are Christian, no matter what the bigoted church has to say. This is another reason why there are so many sects in Christianity, because they couldn't agree, being that they interpreted and translated the Bible so many different ways. So, how come these sects are allowed to have their way, but if one individual makes a decision based on their interpretation of the Bible, it's wrong? And don't tell me that majority makes it right. What your church taught you was what they decided to teach you, as every church does. Doesn't make them right. I do understand the point you are trying to make. I disagree with your example, however. I do agree with the point you are trying to make. Black Dove In a message dated 1/23/01 3:24:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, rcordero@bantec.com writes: > maybe is not written anywhere (as many things catholics believe)...but the > church as institution (head of the religion), does teach us or at least > taught me (and im pretty sure it did with everybody else) the need to go to > church to be "save", or/and to confess to a MAN for example, but anyway, > that wasnt my point, what i was trying to clarify was the way some people > like in the email i respond to, make their own free decisions (even though > those decisions are not accepted by their religion ) and still call > themselves part of this religion, that in a very logical way CANT be true, > either the person is tryng to give a mistaken impression or is trying to > convince himself that he stills belong to that religion, even though he's > not doing what is told. > Anyway..who cares...im not trying to argue about this...but it is an > interesting topic itself. > Thanks for answer and giving me a reason to not fall asleep at work :) . > > SpiderMan > > P.S. : "The kingdom of God is within you"....then why everybody else is > looking outside? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:23:18 -0600 From: Erin Munster Subject: Re: opinions vs. numbers bonanza jelly-bean wrote: > > "J.R. Jobe" wrote: > > > > > > > > ---I think Jesus was a Buddhist. > > > ---Jobe > > > > > > > I thought Jesus was the first hippie, but what the hell do I know? > > Munster > > maybe its a combination of the two... > > ~e I can accept that idea :) Munster ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:32:24 -0600 From: "Anthony Bender" Subject: Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian I'm all for continuing the off topic discussions because the last few have been rather boring. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "MELISSA STEWARD" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 2:51 PM Subject: Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian > > Not Poe Related (unfortunately): > I would like to second the vote for stopping the strong talk of > religion. That's not what this list is for. Yes, it's for opinions and > some of the posts were peoples "opinions" about religion. But the majority > of them were a little more like preaching, I felt like I was back in bible > school for a second. Everyone has their own beliefs, so let's just leave it > at that. > > Poe related: > I am really anxious for Poe to tour again. Any news of this? Also, > did they figure out the glitch about names not appearing on the psycho ward > list? > > Melissa > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:35:15 -0600 From: "Anthony Bender" Subject: Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian You know Lucifer believes in God and Christ too. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:46 PM Subject: Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian > > The church asserted itself as the head of the religion. In case you haven't > noticed, throughout history the church has done everything it can (it seems > like) to gain power over people. Ultimately, the church is run by a bunch of > men. Where did that God appoint them as the head of His religion? > The definition of a Christian is one who follows and believes in the > teachings of "Christ". Hence, why they are called "Christian". The church can > teach you about Christ in their slanted interpretations, but you can learn on > your own. My point was and still is, that you do not have to go to church in > order to call yourself a Christian. There are people I know that go to > church, and are NOT Christians. They go only because they feel they have to. > I have a black lesbian friend who is a devout Catholic. She is a believer in > Christ's teachings. She follows them. A Christian is also someone who > believes that Christ was the messiah. If you believe this, you are Christian, > no matter what the bigoted church has to say. > This is another reason why there are so many sects in Christianity, because > they couldn't agree, being that they interpreted and translated the Bible so > many different ways. So, how come these sects are allowed to have their way, > but if one individual makes a decision based on their interpretation of the > Bible, it's wrong? And don't tell me that majority makes it right. > What your church taught you was what they decided to teach you, as every > church does. Doesn't make them right. > I do understand the point you are trying to make. I disagree with your > example, however. I do agree with the point you are trying to make. > Black Dove > > In a message dated 1/23/01 3:24:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rcordero@bantec.com writes: > > > maybe is not written anywhere (as many things catholics believe)...but the > > church as institution (head of the religion), does teach us or at least > > taught me (and im pretty sure it did with everybody else) the need to go to > > church to be "save", or/and to confess to a MAN for example, but anyway, > > that wasnt my point, what i was trying to clarify was the way some people > > like in the email i respond to, make their own free decisions (even though > > those decisions are not accepted by their religion ) and still call > > themselves part of this religion, that in a very logical way CANT be true, > > either the person is tryng to give a mistaken impression or is trying to > > convince himself that he stills belong to that religion, even though he's > > not doing what is told. > > Anyway..who cares...im not trying to argue about this...but it is an > > interesting topic itself. > > Thanks for answer and giving me a reason to not fall asleep at work :) . > > > > SpiderMan > > > > P.S. : "The kingdom of God is within you"....then why everybody else is > > looking outside? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:01:24 EST From: GloryBox84@aol.com Subject: Re: Golden Globes... In a message dated 1/22/2001 8:47:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, KoriG@aol.com writes: > Actually, yourn anger is a bit misguided here. The Golden Globes are voted > on by the foreign press, not "Hollywood". > > I meant Hollywood bullshit (i.e. cliche movies), the only films represented lately in awards like the Golden Globes. - - --Kim - - --Kim ~*You gotta have fear in your heart*~ -Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:06:50 EST From: GloryBox84@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: manson In a message dated 1/22/2001 9:55:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, KoriG@aol.com writes: > Did any of you know that McGowan was born into a cult in Italy to a French > mother and Irish father? (Wait, not to sure about her mother's heritage > there, but the other stuff is correct.) She moved to the US when she was 8. > > Just a little trivia I thought I'd share. > > Yeah...in Interview a coupla years ago they reported that she'd moved into an American convent when she was 10 (don't ask, I dont really get it either). Her parents were in The Children of God...They used their kids pretend to be from poor families to obtain money. Interview also mentioned that she was in and out of mental institutions as a kid...MManson has described her as being frightfully pesimistic...No wonder - - --Kim ~*You gotta have fear in your heart*~ -Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:31:14 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian In a message dated 1/23/2001 7:54:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, thegeneral@knology.net writes: > You know Lucifer believes in God and Christ too. > You know Lucifer is Satan before the fall? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:03:28 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR- Christians going to church...doesn't make them Xtian Does Satan really believe in and follow Christ? Does he believe that Christ is the Messiah? Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:01:44 EST From: Iamtheher4u@aol.com Subject: Re: christianity "debate" Thanks for the praise =o}. I just can't stand closed minded people... well I can stand them (my best friend is really religious but he makes fun of me all the time saying I'm the devil... yep that's me, the human version of Satan, just like in Bedazzled...) but I don't like they way they think, that everything is what they think and everyone else is wrong. I don't even care anymore what people say about me because I figure it doesn't matter what I say because I won't change their minds, so I just laugh and them because they're ignorant =o}. I'm a very bitter person I know, but it's really fun being as bitter as I am =o}. Thanks again for the support, people who understand rock!!! Tessa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:12:36 EST From: Iamtheher4u@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Religion and the trouble it gets you into... I, myself, find the wiccan religion more to my liking than any other I've come across. I really hate those people at my school who dress all in black and are all,"Ooooh look at me, I'm wiccan, I worship Satan, I wear all black, look at me, look at me." It's really fun asking those people about "their religion" (you know because I wear bright colors and don't go around trying to get attention) and finding out they know jack-shit about the religion. It's fun telling them, "Wow, you know wiccans don't worship Satan... right? You really thought they did??? And how long have you been "practicing"?" then you just walk away and laugh... ahh the true bitterness of life (well mine at least) =o}. Tessa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:18:14 -0500 From: "Anfrey Cheng" Subject: Re: opinions vs. numbers > > > > ---I think Jesus was a Buddhist. > > > > ---Jobe > > > > > > > > > > I thought Jesus was the first hippie, but what the hell do I know? > > > Munster > > > > maybe its a combination of the two... > > > > ~e > > I can accept that idea :) > Munster all i know is that jesus definitely had a heightened conscience. he was enlightened. hence the healing powers. - -anf- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:17:12 EST From: Roswellgrldc@aol.com Subject: Npr River phonix I was wondering if anyone knows what movies River phonix was in besides Stand by me. Thanks!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:42:37 -0500 From: "bonanza jelly-bean" Subject: Re: Npr River phonix here is a url to a list of river phoenix flicks.... brought to you buy the kick ass ppl at fact city(sorry i had ta say it a friend of mine works there) and iwon.com(if you do a search through iwon.com if fact city has any answers to your search it will show up... actual information, not just more urls) anyways here it is... http://search.iwon.com/commerce/factcity.jsp?fdl=factcity%3Fv%3D001%26rp%3D1 124%26rl%3D317%26rr%3D30623%26q%3Driver%2520phoenix%26s%3Dmovies_dispatcher. movies_default_filmography_retriever%26rt%3DY&alias=/home/search/search_fact city - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:17 PM Subject: Npr River phonix > > I was wondering if anyone knows what movies River phonix was in besides Stand > by me. Thanks!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:53:02 -0200 From: "Tori Amos" Subject: Re: all a matter of interpretation Music is power........ Music......... is the most powerful art existing...... I should say poetry and music are.... but more music.... I mean have you ever heard about someone who saw a painting for example and suicide themselves? MMMmmm NO! But have you ever heard about people who heard a certain song and suicide themselves.... not cause of the song for sure.... but let's say music creates a new atmosphere which twist all your body and soul... which means.... music do touch with your emotions. Another example... when I'm down and I wanna be ever sadder and I put a sad song on..... damn I wanna cry my eyes out.... but if I'm sad and put a nice and happy song on..... I can think about smiling and saying oh fuck you all off, I won't let you drag me down anymore. What I mean is that well music is everything..... and for historical studies about music..... music inderectly was the first art existing. Then it came paiting. I do not know if I agree with that theory that music was the first art.... since we all know pre historical men used to paint all over the caverns to foresse the future.... but we never know!! Then it came dancing. Therefore I should say that videos can somehow give a bad song a credit it should never have. Like those rapers for example, their song can suck to the bone (I'm not saying ALL do, I like rap, but some of them plz, makes me SICK!!!) but if they do this vid of 10 million $ wohooooo, then cool look at his vid how cool, and wanting ya or not, the song will assume a different value than it had before. Which I think it's totally wrong. I'm not against 10.000 millions dollars vids... I just say, they song HAS to be like equal to that price. Like have any of you seen "Sweet Surrender" by Sarah Mclachlan? Or even Silent all these years by Tori Amos?? Those are SIMPLE vids..... but their music rock..... which is so cool cause they don't need to spend all their money to make their song sound cooler!!! =) Thanx for listening to me lol Pyscho Tori ~~~~<>~~~ PS: How can I e-mail Poe?? - ----- Original Message ----- From: bonanza jelly-bean To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 11:21 PM Subject: all a matter of interpretation > > hey my point is the same... its a matter of interpretation... besides, at > least in my opinion.. with most if not all music part of the whole thing is > not just what it means to the artist, or exactly what the artist says, but > what it means to you... im right now sorta doing my own independant study, > on that... how one song can evoke a certain emotion in one person and mean > one thing to that person and can be something completely different to > someone else... i mean even with just myself songs take on different > meanings just depending on how i interpret it each time i listen to it... > part of why i like poe so much.... i think someone even mentioned this > concept when talking about the song angry johnny... i also had this > experience when a friend of mine involving the song fingertips... i mean > there are some pretty apparent "themes" in that song, but it evoked > different emotions for each of us, and we both had slightly different > interpretations.. > > i kinda view it like this.... the artist when creating any form of art is > expressing thenselves and their emotions and experiences... the point is to > share those with others, but also to let the listener/viewer/reader/etc. to > find a bit of themselves in that piece of are, to sometimes find parts of > their own life within.. it even goes as far as the fact that you creat > associations with certain songs... there are some extremely sad songs that i > have very happy pleasant emotions associated with them because i associate > them with positive experiences... i mean the first time i had sex with my > ex-fiance was listening to "posession" by sarah maclaghlan.. im my mind its > a very passionate and loving song, altho i have been told the most of the > song is excerpts from letters that a stalker had written her who had > intended to kill her(i'll take your breath away) goves the whole song a new > spin doesnt it..... each time someone shows me another > interpretation/reaction to a piece of music/art of anyform.. i get to see > part of them also, not just me or the artist... > > i dont at all think that you should change your quote.. even if it is > "to".... its all about what you get from the music, and you prolly wouldnt > have it as a quote unless it spoke to you in some way, and thats what is > most important.. i was just trying to share my interpretation, i guess i > hadnt done that very well... i am sorry if anyone was offended... > > > bitheway..... pussies rock!!! and i am very proud to have one myself!!! > (just thought i would add myself to the fan club) > > > ~~e > > > > > I agree in saying that it is VERY annoying that fans try and post > lyrics > > that are incorrect and using a source such as themselves to figure out the > > lyrics of the band they are supporting on their own. When a band doesn't > post > > their lyrics on the cd booklet, it's most likely because they want YOU to > > interperate the lyrics on your own. Anyway, I'm not going to change MY > lyric > > below because someone is failing in trying to tell me it's wrong. I want > 100% > > proof that they're correct before I admit to my lyric being wrong > considering > > that I had it on my signature for months and maybe someone just wanted to > > point out a supposed fault to piss me off... anyway, peace. > > > > > > ~*~ Fade, made the fade, passion's overrated anyway~ Massive Attack > > ~*~ Grow up and be a man, drop dead right where I stand~ Hole ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #32 **********************************