From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #30 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, January 22 2001 Volume 06 : Number 030 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: npr Re: (no subject) [JezebeIlnHeII@aol.com] RE: Please help me out with this... ["Randall Cordero" ] NPR: I am so sorry... ["J.R. Jobe" ] RE: I am so sorry... ["Mike Vaughn" ] NPR: rants, religion, and pissing contests [Jennifer Ralston ] Re: NPR: I am so sorry... ["Anthony Bender" ] Re: NPR: ... what the hell is Methuselah?? [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR: rants, religion, and pissing contests [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: Dissolved Girl lyrics [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: made the/to fade [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: christianity "debate" [Iamtheher4u@aol.com] Re: NPR: I am so sorry... [LivTheMdns@aol.com] Re: Black Dove (NPR) [lindsay weldin ] Re: NPR: rants, religion, and pissing contests [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: fade, made THE fade ["bonanza jelly-bean" ] Re: made the/to fade [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re:npr: opinions vs. numbers [Erin Munster ] all a matter of interpretation ["bonanza jelly-bean" ] Re: opinions vs. numbers [Erin Munster ] Re: NPR: ... what the hell is Methuselah?? [Erin Munster ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:17:33 EST From: JezebeIlnHeII@aol.com Subject: Re: npr Re: (no subject) In a message dated 1/21/01 8:06:15 PM Alaskan Standard Time, alec_thegreat@yahoo.com writes: << (at least i didn't forsake fap, heh heh):: >> YAY !!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:56:50 -0600 From: "Randall Cordero" Subject: RE: Please help me out with this... I guess someone in the way of emails lost connection of the first comment someone made...we aren't talking about an individual...we're talking about the roots of catholic religion itself, which is still nowadays racist in a lot of ways, a lot of people say they are "christians" but they dont go to church....duh!! then u r not christian anymore...you are a fake of what the religion says u should be....and in that way u r just as equal as everybody else who doesnt belong to the religion and even worst cause u r being hypocrite (did i write right?), anyway...is just my way to see things....no religion in the world will show u the way, only cause 85% of the world population needs of someone or something that tells them that they are going to be punish if they dont do as they say, that doesnt mean i need it at all. Peace. Nos vemos. :). SpiderMan - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tori Amos To: Emily Nisley ; Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 4:57 PM Subject: Re: Please help me out with this... > > Well I believe this christianism is failed. > Personally I don't believe in a god, and I should say if I do, well then he > can act or change anything in our "phisycal" world....... and yes I am gay > and I love women so???? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Emily Nisley > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 8:36 PM > Subject: RE: Please help me out with this... > > > > > > christians come in a lot of varieties.... i bet there are plenty out > > there with whom the ONLY thing i have in common is that we all believe in > > jesus. soo...it's hard to lump us all together....especially with the > > nuts that go around killing people & preaching hate. > > > > em [IMAGE]a lesbian, feminist, pro-choice, anti-death penalty, > > christian....among other things :) > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Mike Vaughn" > > To: "Kyle" , > > Subject: RE: Please help me out with this... > > Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 01:56:27 -0800 > > > > First of all... if you EVER want to get laid... the rule is to be an > > asshole, not a pussy. Trust me on that one, but maybe sex isn't that > > important to you. Whatever. > > > > Second, I am allowed to make "grandiose pontifications" because this is a > > list of my opinions. And yes, they are emotional. But bring yourself down > > to > > reality for a moment and think about the "Bible Belt." Limited? No. > > Millions > > of uneducated people preaching the Christian Lifestyle... which certainly > > does NOT include gays, minorities, etc. Wake the fuck up, Kyle. > > > > Blind? Illogical? Wrong? Maybe. But then I've lived overseas and done > > more > > with my life in 29 years than you probably ever have. Watch who you label > > as > > having "limited exposure." You're full of shit and I'm calling you on it > > now. > > > > Bring it on. > > -MikeV > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kyle [mailto:kbeckley@ucla.edu] > > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:30 PM > > To: Mike Vaughn; angry-psychos@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: Please help me out with this... > > > > First of all, I wonder at your logic...one might accuse you of the straw > > man > > fallacy. How can you make such a grandiose pontification as "the vast > > majority of self-proclaimed Christians,"? Have you spoken to the "vast > > majority" yourself? Try substantiating an argument using evidence rather > > than spewing emotional crap. I think to date there are over a billion > > Christians, you're able to box up a sixth of the worlds population based > > on > > your limited exposure to a small selection of the whole. You're blind, > > illogical, and obviously WRONG. > > Oh as far as the boyfriend response goes...better a pussy than an asshole > > cheers > > Kyle > > > > > You may be one of the few 'exceptions' but I always wonder how long > > you'll > > > put up with those people as they are and NOT try to convert them... or > > make > > > them see the truth as it were. > > > > > > Again, you may be the exception, but think about the vast majority of > > > self-proclaimed Christians. We were talking about groups in general. > > > > > > Oh, and to the young girl with the boy problems.... dump him. He's a > > pussy. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Sailor6233@aol.com [mailto:Sailor6233@aol.com] > > > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 10:57 PM > > > To: mike@mikevaughn.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org > > > Subject: Re: Please help me out with this... > > > > > > > > > I'm a Christian, and I would welcome a homosexual, Jewish, > > afro-american, > > > who > > > believes in a woman's right to choose, with open arms. I also believe > > in a > > > woman's right to choose in certain situations. > > > > > > ~Maggie~ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:45:40 -0800 (PST) From: "J.R. Jobe" Subject: Re: opinions vs. numbers - ---Whoa! Chill out dude! Who are you trying to convince? That is exactly what I meant! When I said, "Kind of goes against the killing in the name of God defense don't you think?" what did you think I meant? I agree that it is about the same as using His name in vain. - ---Why the hell are you so damn mad? - ---Jobe - --- Jeffery Scott wrote: > MEN did the killing in "The name of God". God had > NOTHING to do with that. > He made the individuals who took it upon themselves > (remember that little > thing that we were given at the start of this whole > thing called "free > will"?) to act as such. I.E. God says one thing (His > will for us) and we > cruise on off and do just the opposite (sounds kinda > like a child and parent > relationship, doesn't it?). And that is well within > our right to do so. We > have the gift of "choosing" our path. We are the > ONLY ones that can be > blamed for OUR actions. God gave the tools so that > we might choose the > correct path. If we play the game the worlds > way...........the penalty fits > the crime. We reap what we sow. So.........The > scripture you quote is, in > essence, what the Parent WISHES us to do. Because of > free will, He new that > some of us would choose the correct path, and others > of us would choose the > incorrect path. Killing in the name of God is (let's > just call it what it > REALLY is, shall we?) nothing short of using the > Lord's name in vain. > > "Sorry for the preaching , I'm just trying to make a > point". > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J.R. Jobe" > To: "bonanza jelly-bean" ; > "Angry Psychos" > > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:12 PM > Subject: Re: opinions vs. numbers > > > > > > ---The verse is Matthew 10:14. And the exact > words, > > at least in my version of the Bible, are: > > "And whosoever shall not recieve you, nor hear > your > > words, when ye depart of that house or city, shake > off > > the dust of your feet." > > ---Jesus Christ said that. > > ---He goes on to say, > > "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst > of > > wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and > harmless > > as doves." > > ---Kind of goes against the killing in the name of > God > > defense don't you think? > > ---Sorry for the preaching folks, but I'm just > trying > > to make a point. > > > > ---Jobe > > > > --- bonanza jelly-bean > wrote: > > > hey do you know where that is in the bible? > someone > > > showed it to me years > > > ago and i havent been able to find it again > > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great > prices. > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 09:54:46 -0800 (PST) From: "J.R. Jobe" Subject: NPR: I am so sorry... - ---Before I forget, I accidentally lied last night about my age to you guys. I said I was 21 when in fact I am only... 20. I am so sorry... please don't vote me off the island! It will never happen again, I promise! If it makes you feel better, you can punch me! I'll make your bed! I'll check your mail! I'll even wash your dishes! Can I move in, I don't like it here. - ---Jobe P.S. I'll even scrub your toilet! I love scrubbing toilets! Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:04:36 -0800 From: "Mike Vaughn" Subject: RE: I am so sorry... No toilets. No deal. ;-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of J.R. Jobe Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:55 AM To: Angry Psychos Subject: NPR: I am so sorry... - ---Before I forget, I accidentally lied last night about my age to you guys. I said I was 21 when in fact I am only... 20. I am so sorry... please don't vote me off the island! It will never happen again, I promise! If it makes you feel better, you can punch me! I'll make your bed! I'll check your mail! I'll even wash your dishes! Can I move in, I don't like it here. - ---Jobe P.S. I'll even scrub your toilet! I love scrubbing toilets! Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:02:25 -0500 From: Jennifer Ralston Subject: NPR: rants, religion, and pissing contests you boys can flame each other all you want--have a big ole heated discussion about religion and what not but you know, it really pisses me off (and maybe i'm all alone in this big world) when gender-specific words are used to undo someone's arguement. you have a point to make, make it. calling each other pussies and limp dicks has nothing to do with anything. being a full-time member of the pussy owner's club, i take a great deal of offense to this bullshit. so in summation: if you want to argue; make your point and cite your friggin references. if you want to have a pissing contest--whip 'em out and shut your mouths. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:51:28 -0500 From: Steve_Tallant@vertexinc.com Subject: Newbie - apologies in advance Per the list welcome e-mail, I provide the following....... Now that you are an Angry Psycho, we would love to know: (1) Who you are?, Steve Tallant (2) Where you're from?, outside Philadelphia (Norristown, PA) (3) How old you are?, 31 (4) Where you first heard Poe?, WXPN, Philadelphia (5) What other musicians do you listen to? Marillion, October Project, Shawn Colvin, Brand New Heavies amongst others! and (6) Any other interesting information you wish to share. - used to play bass in a band. Peace! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:55:02 -0600 From: lance.kinney@amd.com Subject: Austin people! Hey all you SOAPy folks - I saw several people at the Austin Borders with video cameras... What are the odds of getting my sweaty little hands on a copy of that show? It was fantastic, and I need "Hey Pretty" with her and Mark... just because! Let me know what I need to get to you! LanceKitty, wandering aimlessly through the House of Leaves ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:09:53 -0800 From: "MELISSA STEWARD" Subject: Re: NPR: rants, religion, and pissing contests Girl, I couldn't agree with you more. I thought this list was supposed to be used for Poe related info. and if someone had something to share personally then they needed to email the person direct. That's the point of having our email addresses appear with our posts, right? I usually just sit back and read but I am a wee bit tired of hearing about religion. If I wanted to be preached at I would've joined some Christian list. Let's get back to what matters shall we: POE IS A GODDESS! Just MHO, Melissa >Jennifer Ralston wrote: >> > >you boys can flame each other all you want--have a big ole heated >discussion about religion and what not but you know, it really pisses me >off (and maybe i'm all alone in this big world) when gender-specific >words are used to undo someone's arguement. you have a point to make, >make it. calling each other pussies and limp dicks has nothing to do >with anything. being a full-time member of the pussy owner's club, i >take a great deal of offense to this bullshit. so in summation: if you >want to argue; make your point and cite your friggin references. if you >want to have a pissing contest--whip 'em out and shut your mouths. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:38:37 EST From: BriDaisy@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: rants, religion, and pissing contests I completely agree with you. Seriously, how old are we? You all stated your arguments, it's evident that nobody can win since it's all opinion. It isn't like the world will fall down if this issue isn't solved. I say drop it and let's get on with our miserly little lives. Bri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:58:34 -0500 From: Rick Joyce Subject: Re: NPR: rants, religion, and pissing contests I'm an owner of the opposite set of reproductive organs, but I couldn't agree with you more! Brava! *claps* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:17:02 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: made the/to fade How do you know if those are the official lyrics? I wonder where the webmaster got them from... I don't really care which way the lyric is, though I love the song, but I'm usually wary of fan websites posting lyrics...unless of course they got it from a good source, you know what I mean? Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:39:49 EST From: BriDaisy@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: I am so sorry... I kinda like cleaning my toilets myself. I'm called the master toilet cleaner and I wouldn't want you to take that away from me....on the other hand...my room is a littel messy and I have a litter box... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:03:34 -0800 From: Crystle Subject: Re: about me Hey Amanda, Welcome to the list. By the way I am Crystle...I'm 16 and I live in California..too.. Crystle Tori Amos wrote: > Hey amanda!!!! > Girl that rocks..... I love Tori and Poe to the boooooone!!!! You should get > some Poe's cd they do rock....... and Tori rocks soooooo bad she's a > goddess!!!! well I'm Raffa from brazil and I'm 16!! =)) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 12:11 AM > Subject: about me > > > > > my name is amanda and i am 15.i am from california.i first heard Poe about > 3 > > > > years ago from a friend who had her cd...and i borrowed it and i still > have > > > > it to this day.i also listen to tori amos,fiona apple,sublime and lots of > > > > other stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:05:02 -0600 From: "Anthony Bender" Subject: Re: NPR: I am so sorry... We have a name for that, Latrine Queen. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:39 PM Subject: Re: NPR: I am so sorry... > > I kinda like cleaning my toilets myself. I'm called the master toilet cleaner > and I wouldn't want you to take that away from me....on the other hand...my > room is a littel messy and I have a litter box... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:21:28 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: ... what the hell is Methuselah?? In a message dated 1/22/2001 1:07:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, commissioner_jobe@yahoo.com writes: > ---Besides the only people that are always right is me > and my fellow SOAPs. TAKE THAT OAPs!!! > > ---Jobe > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hahahahaha...the gauntlet has been thrown:-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:43:21 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: rants, religion, and pissing contests In a message dated 1/22/2001 3:11:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jensound@home.com writes: > you boys can flame each other all you want--have a big ole heated > discussion about religion and what not but you know, it really pisses me > off (and maybe i'm all alone in this big world) when gender-specific > words are used to undo someone's arguement. you have a point to make, > make it. calling each other pussies and limp dicks has nothing to do > with anything. being a full-time member of the pussy owner's club, i > take a great deal of offense to this bullshit. so in summation: if you > want to argue; make your point and cite your friggin references. if you > want to have a pissing contest--whip 'em out and shut your mouths. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hahahahaha...grrrls rule!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:45:16 EST From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: Dissolved Girl lyrics Yeah and before they list the lyrics it says "Thanks to Massive Attack [czech unofficial page]"... Unofficial as opposed to the other... hmm I wonder which to believe... ~*~ Fade, made the fade, passion's overrated anyway~ Massive Attack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 19:57:11 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: made the/to fade In a message dated 1/22/2001 6:46:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dracovixen@aol.com writes: > How do you know if those are the official lyrics? I wonder where the > webmaster got them from... I don't really care which way the lyric is, > though > I love the song, but I'm usually wary of fan websites posting > lyrics...unless > of course they got it from a good source, you know what I mean? > Black Dove > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It wasn't a fan site...it is a site specifically devoted to supplying ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:00:33 EST From: Iamtheher4u@aol.com Subject: Re: christianity "debate" It pisses me off so much when people preach to me... I mean I'm only 17, and I'm trying to "find myself" in my own way, and if that means not believing in the same God as someone else, then oh well. I'm really bitter because I got in a fight with my best friend right before she moved, and we had this religion discussion. Well she got so pissed off at me that she made me call my mom and go home. Well she moved two days later, and I haven't spoken to her since... she won't give me her number now just because I don't believe what she does... sad stuff... best friend for 6 years all gone because of people who can't accept different religions... Now, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Christianity or any other religion, this girl I know Meaghan, she's Christian and she's one of the nicest people I've ever met, and probably will ever meet (she already knows where I stand on religion, so that's not a problem). But oooh... don't even get me started on the girls who were on the tennis team with me last year... let's just say it was basically me against 4 of the most popular girls in school, screaming at each other in McDonald's because I have a different view of God... damn bitches... OK I'm done now =o}. Tessa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:01:24 EST From: LivTheMdns@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: I am so sorry... In a message dated 1/22/01 6:44:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, BriDaisy@aol.com writes: > my room is a littel messy and I have a litter box... > Really... that's interesting... I thought mostly cats had those Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:31:45 -0800 (PST) From: lindsay weldin Subject: Re: Black Dove (NPR) I would just like to say that I agree with you one hundred percent. My life has been punctuated with a neverending series of your defined assholes. And I dont get it, cause I am a really great girl. I am cute (not to pat myself on the back or anything LOL), funny, charming, and intelligent. I can carry on an interesting conversation for longer than 5 minutes without getting lost or twirling my blond locks around my fingers, and I can chew gum and walk at the same time. So as I see it, I am a pretty good catch. But I do disagree with the whole she has to have low self esteem thing. I may not be perfect, but I have learned over the years that I am good enough to not be treated that way. And still, those are the jerks that I end up with. I was pressured into sex the first time, and (excuse me for this... ) my first blow job, too. And just recently, while hanging out with a "nice guy" I was almost raped because I partied too hard and could not physically fight him off. The only thing that stopped him was my tears. True, it was my fault for doing the stuff that I did to get myself into that predicament in the first place, but it was his fault for not listening. I had told him for 2 weeks prior that I did not want to have sex again until it was with someone that I knew I wanted to be with in a serious, emotional bond (as you put it, Black Dove ) and not just some random, sexual fulfillment of my horny tendencies. I have had the guys that were out for fun, and the ones that were out for control, and now I want one that wants love, and romance, and respect.... among other things. Respect is important. I learned that the hard way over my 23 years.... SO I guess what I am trying to say is thank you, Black Dove. Thank you for being a strong, opinionated, intelligent woman, and for telling these men to shut the hell up...... LOL FantomBeauty How about neither? I'm sure you have other options aside from being asshole or pussy. When I think asshole, I think pushy, manipulative...the only reason why he would get sex is because he's good at persuading some girl with low self-esteem into sex. Or he's just a rapist. Yeah, real good thing to be. ::rolls eyes:: I'd rather have the pussy. But there are things to be inbetween. How about just being yourself? If you're an asshole, I'm sorry to hear that and I hope karma is a real true thing. If you're a pussy, I wouldn't be too worried, you'll get sex sometime. It doesn't have to be now or even anytime soon. It's not that important, it's just something to do...it can be fun for some, a form of control for others, or a form of mutual emotional bonding for still others. I hate to see people get pressured just because they think it is the "normal" thing to do. Normality is relative. Yeah, so that's just my branch of thinking on this particular subject of assholes and pussies and sex. Black Dove Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:46:10 EST From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: rants, religion, and pissing contests In a message dated 1/22/01 3:42:11 PM Central Standard Time, mshuneybee@hotmail.com writes: > Yeah, and pOe has a pussy as well, so ha! ;) ~*~ Fade, made the fade, passion's overrated anyway~ Massive Attack ~*~ Grow up and be a man, drop dead right where I stand~ Hole ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:47:42 -0500 From: "bonanza jelly-bean" Subject: Re: fade, made THE fade yeah we have tower, hmv, and newbury comics..... newbury comucs is the best when in my opinion so i usually go there, but they didnt have it in when i checked.... i'll have to look around a bit more..... someone told me that the cd was a bit hard to find... i'll have to check again... i have like a list of cds im looking for so maybe i can just have them order them all for me, or check at some of the smaller shops that arent as mainstream(was that redundant?) i'll prolly just go in and order them cuz i have to order a few kinnie starr albums that you cant generally get in the states from what i have been told... anyways thats just a side not... kinda added it cuz i was wondering if anyone was into kinnie, or had heard of her... she is very different from poe, but alot of poe fans that i have net are also really into kinnie.. a bit less known tho.. ~~e ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:54:03 EST From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: made the/to fade In a message dated 1/22/01 7:09:02 PM Central Standard Time, KrodKnid@aol.com writes: > > How do you know if those are the official lyrics? I wonder where the > > webmaster got them from... I don't really care which way the lyric is, > > though > > I love the song, but I'm usually wary of fan websites posting > > lyrics...unless > > of course they got it from a good source, you know what I mean? > > Black Dove > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > I agree in saying that it is VERY annoying that fans try and post lyrics that are incorrect and using a source such as themselves to figure out the lyrics of the band they are supporting on their own. When a band doesn't post their lyrics on the cd booklet, it's most likely because they want YOU to interperate the lyrics on your own. Anyway, I'm not going to change MY lyric below because someone is failing in trying to tell me it's wrong. I want 100% proof that they're correct before I admit to my lyric being wrong considering that I had it on my signature for months and maybe someone just wanted to point out a supposed fault to piss me off... anyway, peace. ~*~ Fade, made the fade, passion's overrated anyway~ Massive Attack ~*~ Grow up and be a man, drop dead right where I stand~ Hole ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:20:41 -0600 From: Erin Munster Subject: Re:npr: opinions vs. numbers Opinions are much like assholes, everyone's got one. Munster Dracovixen@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/21/01 6:01:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, > owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > > > Second, I am allowed to make "grandiose pontifications" because this is a > > list of my opinions. And yes, they are emotional. But bring yourself down > to > > reality for a moment and think about the "Bible Belt." Limited? No. > Millions > > of uneducated people preaching the Christian Lifestyle... which certainly > > does NOT include gays, minorities, etc. Wake the fuck up, Kyle. > > Opinions are little beliefs. Not always true. What you said you implied as > fact. Not the same thing. Numbers are numbers, you can't have an opinion as > to how many people are doing something. You can have an estimate, a > hypothesis, whatever you want to call it, but an opinion is an entirely > different thing. > Yeah, so wake the fuck up. :) > Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:21:08 -0500 From: "bonanza jelly-bean" Subject: all a matter of interpretation hey my point is the same... its a matter of interpretation... besides, at least in my opinion.. with most if not all music part of the whole thing is not just what it means to the artist, or exactly what the artist says, but what it means to you... im right now sorta doing my own independant study, on that... how one song can evoke a certain emotion in one person and mean one thing to that person and can be something completely different to someone else... i mean even with just myself songs take on different meanings just depending on how i interpret it each time i listen to it... part of why i like poe so much.... i think someone even mentioned this concept when talking about the song angry johnny... i also had this experience when a friend of mine involving the song fingertips... i mean there are some pretty apparent "themes" in that song, but it evoked different emotions for each of us, and we both had slightly different interpretations.. i kinda view it like this.... the artist when creating any form of art is expressing thenselves and their emotions and experiences... the point is to share those with others, but also to let the listener/viewer/reader/etc. to find a bit of themselves in that piece of are, to sometimes find parts of their own life within.. it even goes as far as the fact that you creat associations with certain songs... there are some extremely sad songs that i have very happy pleasant emotions associated with them because i associate them with positive experiences... i mean the first time i had sex with my ex-fiance was listening to "posession" by sarah maclaghlan.. im my mind its a very passionate and loving song, altho i have been told the most of the song is excerpts from letters that a stalker had written her who had intended to kill her(i'll take your breath away) goves the whole song a new spin doesnt it..... each time someone shows me another interpretation/reaction to a piece of music/art of anyform.. i get to see part of them also, not just me or the artist... i dont at all think that you should change your quote.. even if it is "to".... its all about what you get from the music, and you prolly wouldnt have it as a quote unless it spoke to you in some way, and thats what is most important.. i was just trying to share my interpretation, i guess i hadnt done that very well... i am sorry if anyone was offended... bitheway..... pussies rock!!! and i am very proud to have one myself!!! (just thought i would add myself to the fan club) ~~e > I agree in saying that it is VERY annoying that fans try and post lyrics > that are incorrect and using a source such as themselves to figure out the > lyrics of the band they are supporting on their own. When a band doesn't post > their lyrics on the cd booklet, it's most likely because they want YOU to > interperate the lyrics on your own. Anyway, I'm not going to change MY lyric > below because someone is failing in trying to tell me it's wrong. I want 100% > proof that they're correct before I admit to my lyric being wrong considering > that I had it on my signature for months and maybe someone just wanted to > point out a supposed fault to piss me off... anyway, peace. > > > ~*~ Fade, made the fade, passion's overrated anyway~ Massive Attack > ~*~ Grow up and be a man, drop dead right where I stand~ Hole ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:28:33 EST From: GloryBox84@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: manson In a message dated 1/22/2001 6:26:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, munster@cloudnet.com writes: > That's weird, cuz I heard they just got married, then again my dad doesn't > know > shit. > Well my mom said that she read about it in the paper. So I guess we can assume my mother is right over your father. (J/K...I had to throw that in there b/c of all the "pissing contests" going back n forth lately) - - --Kim ~*You gotta have fear in your heart*~ -Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:30:19 -0200 From: "Tori Amos" Subject: Re: christianity "debate" Ooooooohhh hi Tessa...... you should know I have that prob too...... everytime someone talks about religion.... and I say "well have u ever thought about the possibility maybe this isn't really like that....." and NOOOOOOO they don't wanna discuss it cause it's the ABSOLUTE TRUTH!!! Which sucks...... I kinda have this "thing" inside me which wanna me make people THINK, and that's a hard job.... but hey girl u kick asses!!!! I should say I addmire ya =) goooooo for it Pyscho Tori - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 11:00 PM Subject: Re: christianity "debate" > > It pisses me off so much when people preach to me... I mean I'm only 17, and > I'm trying to "find myself" in my own way, and if that means not believing in > the same God as someone else, then oh well. I'm really bitter because I got > in a fight with my best friend right before she moved, and we had this > religion discussion. Well she got so pissed off at me that she made me call > my mom and go home. Well she moved two days later, and I haven't spoken to > her since... she won't give me her number now just because I don't believe > what she does... sad stuff... best friend for 6 years all gone because of > people who can't accept different religions... Now, don't get me wrong, I > have nothing against Christianity or any other religion, this girl I know > Meaghan, she's Christian and she's one of the nicest people I've ever met, > and probably will ever meet (she already knows where I stand on religion, so > that's not a problem). But oooh... don't even get me started on the girls > who were on the tennis team with me last year... let's just say it was > basically me against 4 of the most popular girls in school, screaming at each > other in McDonald's because I have a different view of God... damn bitches... > OK I'm done now =o}. > > Tessa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:31:56 -0600 From: Erin Munster Subject: Re: opinions vs. numbers "J.R. Jobe" wrote: > > ---I think Jesus was a Buddhist. > ---Jobe > I thought Jesus was the first hippie, but what the hell do I know? Munster ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:36:23 -0600 From: Erin Munster Subject: Re: NPR: ... what the hell is Methuselah?? > ---Besides the only people that are always right is me > and my fellow SOAPs. TAKE THAT OAPs!!! > > ---Jobe > > THAT'S JUST BECAUSE I'M LIKE THE ONLY MAP IN EXISTANCE! (Minnesota > Angry Psycho) Anyone else out there??? Munster ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:41:42 EST From: GloryBox84@aol.com Subject: Re: all a matter of interpretation In a message dated 1/22/2001 6:35:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, ragetear@earthlink.net writes: > i kinda view it like this.... the artist when creating any form of art is > expressing thenselves and their emotions and experiences... the point is to > share those with others, but also to let the listener/viewer/reader/etc. to > find a bit of themselves in that piece of are, to sometimes find parts of > their own life within.. it even goes as far as the fact that you creat > associations with certain songs... there are some extremely sad songs that i > have very happy pleasant emotions associated with them because i associate > them with positive experiences... i mean the first time i had sex with my > ex-fiance was listening to "posession" by sarah maclaghlan.. im my mind its > a very passionate and loving song, altho i have been told the most of the > song is excerpts from letters that a stalker had written her who had > intended to kill her(i'll take your breath away) goves the whole song a new > spin doesnt it..... each time someone shows me another > interpretation/reaction to a piece of music/art of anyform.. i get to see > Ok, is it just me or is that a perfect reason to hate music videos? Yeah, I watch em sometimes and yeah its a nice way for artists to further express themselves sometimes...But it really sucks to see a video for a song you really like and have it completely blow the image you have when you listen to the song. - - --Kim ~*You gotta have fear in your heart*~ -Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:43:12 EST From: LivTheMdns@aol.com Subject: Re: christianity "debate" Tessa, if you didn't notice, we live in Virginia... where the bible belt meets Washington DC. This state has brought about Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan, Jerry Falwell and Howard Phillips (2000 constitution party presidential candidate). I guess I should mention that I have a very bad impression of the level of tolerance in this state... Does anyone else see the hypocrisy in assaulting a Jew for not believing in Jesus? Mike In a message dated 1/22/01 8:10:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, Iamtheher4u@aol.com writes: > It pisses me off so much when people preach to me... I mean I'm only 17, and > I'm trying to "find myself" in my own way, and if that means not believing > in > the same God as someone else, then oh well. I'm really bitter because I > got > in a fight with my best friend right before she moved, and we had this > religion discussion. Well she got so pissed off at me that she made me > call > my mom and go home. Well she moved two days later, and I haven't spoken to > her since... she won't give me her number now just because I don't believe > what she does... sad stuff... best friend for 6 years all gone because of > people who can't accept different religions... Now, don't get me wrong, I > have nothing against Christianity or any other religion, this girl I know > Meaghan, she's Christian and she's one of the nicest people I've ever met, > and probably will ever meet (she already knows where I stand on religion, > so > that's not a problem). But oooh... don't even get me started on the girls > who were on the tennis team with me last year... let's just say it was > basically me against 4 of the most popular girls in school, screaming at > each > other in McDonald's because I have a different view of God... damn > bitches... > OK I'm done now =o}. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:49:29 EST From: LivTheMdns@aol.com Subject: Re: npr: opinions vs. numbers In a message dated 1/22/01 9:33:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, munster@cloudnet.com writes: > Opinions are much like assholes, everyone's got one. > Munster > And the smarter people know when to keep theirs hidden. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:45:04 -0500 From: "bonanza jelly-bean" Subject: Re: opinions vs. numbers > "J.R. Jobe" wrote: > > > > > ---I think Jesus was a Buddhist. > > ---Jobe > > > > I thought Jesus was the first hippie, but what the hell do I know? > Munster maybe its a combination of the two... ~e ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #30 **********************************