From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #27 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Sunday, January 21 2001 Volume 06 : Number 027 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Please help me out with this... [LivTheMdns@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #26 [FallenCollective@aol.com] suicide prevention ["bonanza jelly-bean" ] Re: Please help me out with this... [KrodKnid@aol.com] christianity "debate" ["bonanza jelly-bean" ] Fw: Fw: NPR:Please help me ... [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Madhatter=3F?= ] Re: suicide prevention ["Crazy Little" ] Re: NPR: manson [BabyDoll Smith ] Re: Please help me out with this... ["Kyle" ] Re: NPR: manson ["bonanza jelly-bean" ] NPR Re: suicide prevention APD V6 #26 ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: NPR: manson [meghan ] Re: NPR: manson ["bonanza jelly-bean" ] Re: NPR Re: suicide prevention APD V6 #26 ["bonanza jelly-bean" ] Re: NPR:Please help me ... [KoriG@aol.com] Re: very NPR: book lights [Shanna Hollich ] Re: very NPR: book lights ["bonanza jelly-bean" ] Re: NPR: manson [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: tech problem: message not going to entire list [LiveThruThisVow@aol.] Virus Warning ["Kyle" ] Re: NPR: manson ["bonanza jelly-bean" ] RE: Please help me out with this... ["Emily Nisley" ] dissolved girl ["bonanza jelly-bean" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 01:44:56 EST From: LivTheMdns@aol.com Subject: Re: Please help me out with this... Well, I've been trying to keep my mouth shut so far on this one, but now I'll say something. Kyle's right... the stereotypical bible-thumping-clinic-bombing-gay-bashing-racist-sexist-loudmouth is actually a small minority of Christians. They just get more attention because they won't shut up, they inflate their numbers and they do stupid stuff like planting bombs and making threats. Christianity is just like most other religions, there are those who behave themselves and those who don't. You can find the same types of people in Judaism and Islam. Every time you see someone acting totally nuts in the name of their religion, just remember that there are countless others of the same faith who manage to show their beliefs in more constructive ways. Mike In a message dated 1/21/01 12:42:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, kbeckley@ucla.edu writes: > First of all, I wonder at your logic...one might accuse you of the straw man > fallacy. How can you make such a grandiose pontification as "the vast > majority of self-proclaimed Christians,"? Have you spoken to the "vast > majority" yourself? Try substantiating an argument using evidence rather > than spewing emotional crap. I think to date there are over a billion > Christians, you're able to box up a sixth of the worlds population based on > your limited exposure to a small selection of the whole. You're blind, > illogical, and obviously WRONG. > Oh as far as the boyfriend response goes...better a pussy than an asshole > cheers > Kyle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 01:51:51 EST From: FallenCollective@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #26 this might seem psycho, but it's mere curiosity, are there any suicide prevention CHATlines on the web?...i thought my fellow AP''s could help....it's for an old friend ion need..... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 01:58:40 -0500 From: "bonanza jelly-bean" Subject: suicide prevention try IRC... i have never been in any of them, but i have friends who have so i am assuming they are support channels and not how to channels... i use dal.net (for server you can use irc.dal.net from an irc chat client if you dont know about irc(try downloading mirc for pc users.. and virc for mac) anyways on dal.net there are these channels #suicide #depression #depressed those are tho ones that i can remember at least... there may be more also i know that there are some depression , and suicide prevention web sites that have chat rooms but i dont have the url's so you would have to do a search.. good luck ~~e - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 1:51 AM Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #26 > > this might seem psycho, but it's mere curiosity, are there any suicide > prevention CHATlines on the web?...i thought my fellow AP''s could > help....it's for an old friend ion need..... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 02:22:00 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Please help me out with this... In a message dated 1/21/2001 1:59:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, LivTheMdns@aol.com writes: > Well, I've been trying to keep my mouth shut so far on this one, but now > I'll > say something. Kyle's right... the stereotypical > bible-thumping-clinic-bombing-gay-bashing-racist-sexist-loudmouth is > actually > a small minority of Christians. They just get more attention because they > won't shut up, they inflate their numbers and they do stupid stuff like > planting bombs and making threats. Christianity is just like most other > religions, there are those who behave themselves and those who don't. You > can find the same types of people in Judaism and Islam. Every time you see > someone acting totally nuts in the name of their religion, just remember > that > there are countless others of the same faith who manage to show their > beliefs > in more constructive ways. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think these days many of the Christian bashers are of the same ilk as the ultra-right Christians they bash, since they seem to attribute the undesireable qualities to the religion itself and therefore all who practice it. The "Christian religious right" sucks, but, as the quote goes, "they are neither"...Christian or right that is. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 02:52:19 -0500 From: "bonanza jelly-bean" Subject: christianity "debate" ok so im just gonna throw my two cents in... i used to be sorta anti-christion... only for the reason that it seemed that every christian i met tried to convert me, or told me i was going to hell for one reason or another... but when you really think about it pretty much all religions say the same thing, and thats to try and be as good a person as you can be, and to be kind to those you meet.... i do have issues with the christian coalition (sp?) mainly because they seem as an organization to be very hateful... but even there ppl like jerry fallwell called a truce with teh gay community and stated that as christians its not for them to judge, and not to spread hateful messages... also in reality i have found that most christians just live their lives like the rest of us, and try to be good people.. unfortunately they are often missreprisented by those who take things to an extreme, and prosletise and preach hate towards those whom they dissagree with, seeing as many of these "type" of christians are very forward and outspoken about their views.. anyway my point is that maybe it should be clarified (if this too is how you see it) that the issue isnt with christianity, but with those who try to throw their beliefs in your face, and those who mis reprisent christianity as a whole..... i have also met a many christians who i believe really live there lives according to their religion and what the bible teaches and are just in generaly very kind and good eople... i only wish that there were more of them and that they were the ones who ppl thought of when they think about christianity and not those who you see on the street preaching about how everyone who isnt christian is going to hell , and ppl like jerry fallwell who tends to preach more hate than i thought anyone person could ( and before i get comments back on that one.. i know that he prolly has some good things to say and offer to the world, but what i have seen from him is very hatefull) anyways i am not at all christian.. i have been to church a handfull of times with extended family for various reasons.. i am pagan, but i just wanted to add my opinion to the discussion... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 01:26:26 -0800 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Madhatter=3F?= Subject: Fw: Fw: NPR:Please help me ... It was neither good or bad really. It was neutral. I was just impressed that someone had that much to say about the topic. - -Mad - ----- Original Message ----- From: "AT" To: "Madhatter?" Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 7:06 AM Subject: Re: Fw: NPR:Please help me ... > > > Madhatter? wrote: > > > WOW! What a statement. > > Is that good or bad? so far its 15 bads and zero goods. arggh I need to quit > writing the list. AT ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 01:56:27 -0800 From: "Mike Vaughn" Subject: RE: Please help me out with this... First of all... if you EVER want to get laid... the rule is to be an asshole, not a pussy. Trust me on that one, but maybe sex isn't that important to you. Whatever. Second, I am allowed to make "grandiose pontifications" because this is a list of my opinions. And yes, they are emotional. But bring yourself down to reality for a moment and think about the "Bible Belt." Limited? No. Millions of uneducated people preaching the Christian Lifestyle... which certainly does NOT include gays, minorities, etc. Wake the fuck up, Kyle. Blind? Illogical? Wrong? Maybe. But then I've lived overseas and done more with my life in 29 years than you probably ever have. Watch who you label as having "limited exposure." You're full of shit and I'm calling you on it now. Bring it on. - -MikeV - -----Original Message----- From: Kyle [mailto:kbeckley@ucla.edu] Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:30 PM To: Mike Vaughn; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: Please help me out with this... First of all, I wonder at your logic...one might accuse you of the straw man fallacy. How can you make such a grandiose pontification as "the vast majority of self-proclaimed Christians,"? Have you spoken to the "vast majority" yourself? Try substantiating an argument using evidence rather than spewing emotional crap. I think to date there are over a billion Christians, you're able to box up a sixth of the worlds population based on your limited exposure to a small selection of the whole. You're blind, illogical, and obviously WRONG. Oh as far as the boyfriend response goes...better a pussy than an asshole cheers Kyle > You may be one of the few 'exceptions' but I always wonder how long you'll > put up with those people as they are and NOT try to convert them... or make > them see the truth as it were. > > Again, you may be the exception, but think about the vast majority of > self-proclaimed Christians. We were talking about groups in general. > > Oh, and to the young girl with the boy problems.... dump him. He's a pussy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sailor6233@aol.com [mailto:Sailor6233@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 10:57 PM > To: mike@mikevaughn.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Please help me out with this... > > > I'm a Christian, and I would welcome a homosexual, Jewish, afro-american, > who > believes in a woman's right to choose, with open arms. I also believe in a > woman's right to choose in certain situations. > > ~Maggie~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 02:22:00 -0800 From: "Crazy Little" Subject: Re: suicide prevention What happens if the friend in need goes to the IRC channels, tells his story, and then all the other ppl in the channel agree with him? should he go through with it? (sorry, joke of poor taste) - ----- Original Message ----- From: bonanza jelly-bean To: ; Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 10:58 PM Subject: suicide prevention > > try IRC... i have never been in any of them, but i have friends who have so > i am assuming they are support channels and not how to channels... i use > dal.net (for server you can use irc.dal.net from an irc chat client if you > dont know about irc(try downloading mirc for pc users.. and virc for mac) > anyways on dal.net there are these channels > #suicide > #depression > #depressed > those are tho ones that i can remember at least... there may be more > > also i know that there are some depression , and suicide prevention web > sites that have chat rooms but i dont have the url's so you would have to do > a search.. > good luck > > ~~e > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 1:51 AM > Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V6 #26 > > > > > > this might seem psycho, but it's mere curiosity, are there any suicide > > prevention CHATlines on the web?...i thought my fellow AP''s could > > help....it's for an old friend ion need..... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 05:24:57 -0500 From: BabyDoll Smith Subject: Re: NPR: manson Jeska377@aol.com wrote: > > Marilyn Manson is not "off his nut" but incerdibly intelligent. He knows that > we as a society are attracted to what is forbidden, and knowing that has made > him a superstar. I seriously doubt he goes home and acts the way he wants > America to see him as. You may not agree with what he's doing by acting out > this concept, but he's making a hell of a lot more money than you. > ~jessica here's the original: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Charles Manson is also a great suggestion, although I'm also not very sure of which > songs, but the idea of him making music in the first place is enough to offend a lot > of people..... And how's this for shock value, Marilyn Manson covers Charles > Manson's Sick City. Actually, I think people think his stuff is offensive because of the media's label on him. I agree that he's off his nut. But, if you really listen to what he has to say he's not totally off the mark. He DOES make allot of incredible points about society. I'm not a fan of his but I have taken the time to look into his views. I read a letter that he wrote to Ronald Regan and My god I couldn't believe how closely our views were. Charles Manson's music didn't speak much of hate at all. Just about survival. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- When I made that statement I guess I should have made it more obvious that I was talking about CHARLES MANSON being off his nut. I was responding to what someone was saying about CHARLES MANSON in my statement. sigh.... - -- - --BabyDoll Smith =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Check out the website at : www.babydolljohnson.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 02:37:43 -0800 From: "Kyle" Subject: Re: Please help me out with this... Mike, im only concerned with one uneducated individual... you. You have provided no evidence or logic, only conjecture and slander trust me after years in the study of logic, argumentation, philosophy and theology you are not worthy of carrying my sandles, check the email addy baby I'm full fledged turned on and you're nothing but a shriveled up dick. Try me I dare you, Flame wars are nothing to me, i care about truth which you appear to be blind to. 23 and going on Methuselah will always beat 29 and going on 12 Kyle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Vaughn" To: "Kyle" ; Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 1:56 AM Subject: RE: Please help me out with this... > First of all... if you EVER want to get laid... the rule is to be an > asshole, not a pussy. Trust me on that one, but maybe sex isn't that > important to you. Whatever. > > Second, I am allowed to make "grandiose pontifications" because this is a > list of my opinions. And yes, they are emotional. But bring yourself down to > reality for a moment and think about the "Bible Belt." Limited? No. Millions > of uneducated people preaching the Christian Lifestyle... which certainly > does NOT include gays, minorities, etc. Wake the fuck up, Kyle. > > Blind? Illogical? Wrong? Maybe. But then I've lived overseas and done more > with my life in 29 years than you probably ever have. Watch who you label as > having "limited exposure." You're full of shit and I'm calling you on it > now. > > Bring it on. > -MikeV > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kyle [mailto:kbeckley@ucla.edu] > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:30 PM > To: Mike Vaughn; angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Please help me out with this... > > > First of all, I wonder at your logic...one might accuse you of the straw man > fallacy. How can you make such a grandiose pontification as "the vast > majority of self-proclaimed Christians,"? Have you spoken to the "vast > majority" yourself? Try substantiating an argument using evidence rather > than spewing emotional crap. I think to date there are over a billion > Christians, you're able to box up a sixth of the worlds population based on > your limited exposure to a small selection of the whole. You're blind, > illogical, and obviously WRONG. > Oh as far as the boyfriend response goes...better a pussy than an asshole > cheers > Kyle > > > You may be one of the few 'exceptions' but I always wonder how long you'll > > put up with those people as they are and NOT try to convert them... or > make > > them see the truth as it were. > > > > Again, you may be the exception, but think about the vast majority of > > self-proclaimed Christians. We were talking about groups in general. > > > > Oh, and to the young girl with the boy problems.... dump him. He's a > pussy. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sailor6233@aol.com [mailto:Sailor6233@aol.com] > > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 10:57 PM > > To: mike@mikevaughn.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: Please help me out with this... > > > > > > I'm a Christian, and I would welcome a homosexual, Jewish, afro-american, > > who > > believes in a woman's right to choose, with open arms. I also believe in a > > woman's right to choose in certain situations. > > > > ~Maggie~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 06:47:15 -0500 From: "bonanza jelly-bean" Subject: Re: NPR: manson ok so i hate to admit it cuz i cant stand mtv, but they had this show its like they go to "stars" homes and show all us peons what we dont have and blah blah .. but so anywasy it was on marylin manson, and in the middle if it his mom called! and he was all like having this cut little conversation... i think she even made some comments on his music( a little bit of motherly dissapproval) and at the end of the conversation he was lik e"i love you" but it was really sweet and innocent and you got to see that he wasnt this big bad creapy guy, and that he still talks to his mom like we all do... er well at least how many of us do... anyways if you ever het a chance ppl should check it out... it was cute ~~ Subject: Re: NPR: manson > > Jeska377@aol.com wrote: > > > > Marilyn Manson is not "off his nut" but incerdibly intelligent. He knows that > > we as a society are attracted to what is forbidden, and knowing that has made > > him a superstar. I seriously doubt he goes home and acts the way he wants > > America to see him as. You may not agree with what he's doing by acting out > > this concept, but he's making a hell of a lot more money than you. > > ~jessica > > here's the original: > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > Charles Manson is also a great suggestion, although I'm also not very sure of which > > songs, but the idea of him making music in the first place is enough to offend a lot > > of people..... And how's this for shock value, Marilyn Manson covers Charles > > Manson's Sick City. > > Actually, I think people think his stuff is offensive because of the > media's label on him. I agree that he's off his nut. But, if you really > listen to what he has to say he's not totally off the mark. He DOES make > allot of incredible points about society. I'm not a fan of his but I > have taken the time to look into his views. I read a letter that he > wrote to Ronald Regan and My god I couldn't believe how closely our > views were. Charles Manson's music didn't speak much of hate at all. > Just about survival. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > When I made that statement I guess I should have made it more obvious > that I was talking about CHARLES MANSON being off his nut. I was > responding to what someone was saying about CHARLES MANSON in my > statement. > > sigh.... > > -- > --BabyDoll Smith > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Check out the website at : www.babydolljohnson.com > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:06:24 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: NPR Re: suicide prevention APD V6 #26 - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: > this might seem psycho, but it's mere curiosity, are there any suicide > prevention CHATlines on the web 1-800-SUICIDE I visited the 3 Dal Net channels mentioned #depressed is active as is #suicide 1-800-SUICIDE #suicide has a good web page http://cf.ashamed.org/suicide/ that includes a Java based link to #suicide on IRC Dal Net and lots of other important links. 1-800-SUICIDE Including http://www.suicidal.com/ lots of info including Hotline numbers for the U.S. or a universal # to call 1-800-SUICIDE I also checked http://www.yahoo.com with very sparse results, tho they do have a chat for "support and recovery" issues... 1-800-SUICIDE hope that helps 1-800-SUICIDE sp00k etc ... 1-800-SUICIDE P.S. prob add #suicide and #depressed to the list of #'s available @ poe.org 1-800-SUICIDE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:30:03 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: NPR:Please help me ... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "AT" > > Is that good or bad? so far its 15 bads and zero goods. arggh I need to > quit > > writing the list. AT > Hey I said it was good, but didn't post. Pretty much I heard the ultimate word on what is PC at a sexual harassment orientation a few years ago, if a 3rd party witnesses a kiss in the work place, and is offended, they can call it sexual harassment. It's not about YOU, its about if anybody is offeneded BY you..... as AT always says, something like OK everybody back in line.... back to your cells..... everybody go somplace alone where you wont offend nobody.... depending on where you stand, they might be called revolutionaries, or terrorists.... I guess it depends on which side you are on when the bombs go off.... luv sp00k etc ... #### ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:18:36 -0500 From: meghan Subject: Re: NPR: manson bonanza jelly-bean wrote: > ok so i hate to admit it cuz i cant stand mtv, but they had this show its > like they go to "stars" homes and show all us peons what we dont have and > blah blah .. but so anywasy it was on marylin manson, and in the middle if > it his mom called! and he was all like having this cut little > conversation... i think she even made some comments on his music( a little > bit of motherly dissapproval) and at the end of the conversation he was lik > e"i love you" but it was really sweet and innocent and you got to see that > he wasnt this big bad creapy guy, and that he still talks to his mom like we > all do... er well at least how many of us do... anyways if you ever het a > chance ppl should check it out... it was cute Hmm.... I did not know they did one on Manson. Yes, his parents come to his shows (from what I've seen, they were at both and backstage). They're very nice. His dad likes to talk to people, and hung around outside with the rest of us hanging by the stage door waiting for the band to get there. None of them are bad people, they're all very nice. They do appreciate their fans, and do what they can to show it. At least this is what my experience was a few years ago, when Mechanical Animals came out. Those two shows were the last times that I have seen them live. It was truly a positive and enlightening experience. At least for me. Well, maybe enlightening is the wrong word. But I didn't come out of it any worse than when I went in. *shrug* M. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:51:34 -0500 From: "bonanza jelly-bean" Subject: Re: NPR: manson your post made me think of another point... it also showed all those kids and teen who the media likes to call "angry and mislead" that MM gets along with his mom and has a good relationship with her... just again proving his point that he isnt trying to enforce that angry youth thing... i mean if he can get along with his parents so can they.... did you see the "TRL" show that he was on with a little "forum" with a few parents and their kids... alot of good points were made there too.. on religoin and family, and growing up... i dont really listen to the group, but fliping through channels i stop when he is on.. he is an increadably interesting person... there was also an interview on the NPR show years ago that i didnt get to hear but my DAD did! he actually came up to me and asked if i knew who he was and told me how interestint, intellectual, and eloquent he was... if anyone knows where to get a copy of the interview i would be very grateful ~~e > I saw the same show, also despite my hatred for MTV, and the phone call from > his mother was not only cute, but showed the side of Marilyn Manson that most > people would never have believed he had to an extremely wide audience, being > that millions of teeny boppers spend their afternoons glued to MTV. That > certainly wasn't the typical Backstreet Boys that they were used to, but maybe > it opened a few boy band fan minds, there are 5 guys in Marilyn Manson. And did > you ever hear the story of how he propsed to Rose Mcgowan? He prepared a > candle-light bubble bath for her and gave her a back rub because she had been > sick, then the self procliamed "GOD of FUCK" got down on his knee and popped the > question. Now if that doesn't prove there's a genuine nice guy under all that > leather, tattoos and makeup, I don't know what does. > > Munster > > bonanza jelly-bean wrote: > > > ok so i hate to admit it cuz i cant stand mtv, but they had this show its > > like they go to "stars" homes and show all us peons what we dont have and > > blah blah .. but so anywasy it was on marylin manson, and in the middle if > > it his mom called! and he was all like having this cut little > > conversation... i think she even made some comments on his music( a little > > bit of motherly dissapproval) and at the end of the conversation he was lik > > e"i love you" but it was really sweet and innocent and you got to see that > > he wasnt this big bad creapy guy, and that he still talks to his mom like we > > all do... er well at least how many of us do... anyways if you ever het a > > chance ppl should check it out... it was cute > > > > ~~ > > > > Subject: Re: NPR: manson > > > > > > > > Jeska377@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Marilyn Manson is not "off his nut" but incerdibly intelligent. He knows > > that > > > > we as a society are attracted to what is forbidden, and knowing that has > > made > > > > him a superstar. I seriously doubt he goes home and acts the way he > > wants > > > > America to see him as. You may not agree with what he's doing by acting > > out > > > > this concept, but he's making a hell of a lot more money than you. > > > > ~jessica > > > > > > here's the original: > > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > Charles Manson is also a great suggestion, although I'm also not very > > sure of which > > > > songs, but the idea of him making music in the first place is enough to > > offend a lot > > > > of people..... And how's this for shock value, Marilyn Manson covers > > Charles > > > > Manson's Sick City. > > > > > > Actually, I think people think his stuff is offensive because of the > > > media's label on him. I agree that he's off his nut. But, if you really > > > listen to what he has to say he's not totally off the mark. He DOES make > > > allot of incredible points about society. I'm not a fan of his but I > > > have taken the time to look into his views. I read a letter that he > > > wrote to Ronald Regan and My god I couldn't believe how closely our > > > views were. Charles Manson's music didn't speak much of hate at all. > > > Just about survival. > > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > > > > When I made that statement I guess I should have made it more obvious > > > that I was talking about CHARLES MANSON being off his nut. I was > > > responding to what someone was saying about CHARLES MANSON in my > > > statement. > > > > > > sigh.... > > > > > > -- > > > --BabyDoll Smith > > > > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > Check out the website at : www.babydolljohnson.com > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:57:03 -0500 From: "bonanza jelly-bean" Subject: Re: NPR Re: suicide prevention APD V6 #26 well thanks sp00k... oh and i know i will NEVER forget that phone number...hehe 1-800-SUICIDE was it? *giggles* ~~e ~~ i got the wisky baby i got the wisky i got the cigarettes- morphine~~ > 1-800-SUICIDE > > I visited the 3 Dal Net channels mentioned #depressed is active as is > #suicide > > 1-800-SUICIDE > > #suicide has a good web page http://cf.ashamed.org/suicide/ that includes a > Java based link to #suicide on IRC Dal Net and lots of other important > links. > > 1-800-SUICIDE > > Including http://www.suicidal.com/ lots of info including Hotline numbers > for the U.S. or a universal # to call > > 1-800-SUICIDE > > I also checked http://www.yahoo.com with very sparse results, tho they do > have a chat for "support and recovery" issues... > > 1-800-SUICIDE > > hope that helps > > 1-800-SUICIDE > > sp00k etc ... > > 1-800-SUICIDE > > P.S. prob add #suicide and #depressed to the list of #'s available @ > poe.org > > 1-800-SUICIDE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:18:45 -0800 From: "Red Halcyon" Subject: very NPR: book lights I'm in the looking for a good, bright portable book light. I got a Lumiere Nite Owl or somesuch, and it's just plain awful -- it's got a very weak light. I need something bright yet portable, preferably using AA batteries. rambling always Lee Storm sees me dyin he dont feel nuthin. "Do your dreams come true?" "I haven't had a nice dream for years." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:25:27 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR:Please help me ... In a message dated 1/21/01 1:47:26 PM, rmorale2@rochester.rr.com writes: >Pretty much I heard the ultimate > >word on what is PC at a sexual harassment orientation a few years ago, > if > >a 3rd party witnesses a kiss in the work place, and is offended, they can > >call it sexual harassment. It's not about YOU, its about if anybody is > >offeneded BY you..... as AT always says, something like OK everybody > >back in line.... back to your cells..... everybody go somplace alone > >where you wont offend nobody.... This is why I work at home, by myself. (And when bored, try to find ways to offend myself. : ) KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:34:54 -0800 (PST) From: Shanna Hollich Subject: Re: very NPR: book lights I have a FlipLite that I got at a Barnes&Noble in Baltimore's Inner Harbor...nice, strong light, variety of colors, and runs on 2 or 4 double AA batteries. Yesterday I bought my mom a Mighty Brite, which also comes in a variety of colors and runs on 4 AA batteries. They seem to be available most anywhere and replacement bulbs aren't hard to find, either. Plus, they're nicer than the FlipLites in the respect that they're much more flexible. Don't know how bright they are, though, but they'll prolly do the trick. Both were relatively cheap (under $10). Hope that helps, :). ===== Shanna Hollich - Shadow123@poe.org AOL IM: RHFoJO shadow123.diaryland.com NO S N B- C~ L- O++ CV Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:39:18 -0500 From: "bonanza jelly-bean" Subject: Re: very NPR: book lights i would try looking at both vbrookstone, and the sharper immage.. they will most likely have what you are looking for, and i believe have lifetime guarantees.... i know that i bought a hair brush(like 12 years ago) at brookstone and anytime it gets old and ratty you just bring it in and tehy give you a brand spankin new one... anywasy i dont even know of you have either store near you but im sure that they both have web sites. ~~e > I'm in the looking for a good, bright portable book light. I got a Lumiere > Nite Owl or somesuch, and it's just plain awful -- it's got a very weak > light. I need something bright yet portable, preferably using AA batteries. > > rambling always > Lee > Storm sees me dyin > > he dont feel > nuthin. > > "Do your dreams come true?" > "I haven't had a nice dream for years." > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:00:21 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: manson In a message dated 1/21/2001 2:08:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, ragetear@earthlink.net writes: > ... i dont really listen to the > group, but fliping through channels i stop when he is on.. he is an > increadably interesting person... If the Politically Incorrect with Bill Mahr featuring Manson is rerun...watch it! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:37:20 EST From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: tech problem: message not going to entire list I still think it's "made to fade"...:-) i think its made to fade too... well i dunno.. i'll have to listen to it Well here's some lyrical backup if you all must STILL try and correct me on this. Also, give the song a listen several more times... I'm positive after listening to that damn song a million times that it's "Fade, made the fade..." ALSO, you should notice a pattern in using the same word twice in the song "Shame... such a shame..." Massive Attack Here's the page with the lyrics to all of their albums. Good luck. ~*~ Fade, made the fade, passion's overrated anyway~ Massive Attack ~*~ Grow up and be a man, drop dead right where I stand~ Hole ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:35:53 -0800 From: "Kyle" Subject: Virus Warning Just a small warning to the list. I have been recieving an email from haha@sexyfun.net with an attatchment, this attatchment contains a worm virus. At this point I'm inclined to believe its coming from a member of the list (inadvertantly). Do not open the attatchment, Delete the file immediately. There is more info on the virus available at the website sexyfun.net (someone bought the domain to give info). Just a warning, and remember to not open strange attatchments without a virus scan, btw if you use hotmail it automatically scans for viruses, so if your really curious you can forward the message and read it safely from there. Kyle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:32:38 -0500 From: "bonanza jelly-bean" Subject: Re: NPR: manson oh i would sooo love to see that! If the Politically Incorrect with Bill Mahr featuring Manson is rerun...watch it! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:36:07 -0500 From: "Emily Nisley" Subject: RE: Please help me out with this... christians come in a lot of varieties.... i bet there are plenty out there with whom the ONLY thing i have in common is that we all believe in jesus. soo...it's hard to lump us all together....especially with the nuts that go around killing people & preaching hate. em [IMAGE]a lesbian, feminist, pro-choice, anti-death penalty, christian....among other things :) - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mike Vaughn" To: "Kyle" , Subject: RE: Please help me out with this... Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 01:56:27 -0800 First of all... if you EVER want to get laid... the rule is to be an asshole, not a pussy. Trust me on that one, but maybe sex isn't that important to you. Whatever. Second, I am allowed to make "grandiose pontifications" because this is a list of my opinions. And yes, they are emotional. But bring yourself down to reality for a moment and think about the "Bible Belt." Limited? No. Millions of uneducated people preaching the Christian Lifestyle... which certainly does NOT include gays, minorities, etc. Wake the fuck up, Kyle. Blind? Illogical? Wrong? Maybe. But then I've lived overseas and done more with my life in 29 years than you probably ever have. Watch who you label as having "limited exposure." You're full of shit and I'm calling you on it now. Bring it on. - -MikeV - -----Original Message----- From: Kyle [mailto:kbeckley@ucla.edu] Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:30 PM To: Mike Vaughn; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: Please help me out with this... First of all, I wonder at your logic...one might accuse you of the straw man fallacy. How can you make such a grandiose pontification as "the vast majority of self-proclaimed Christians,"? Have you spoken to the "vast majority" yourself? Try substantiating an argument using evidence rather than spewing emotional crap. I think to date there are over a billion Christians, you're able to box up a sixth of the worlds population based on your limited exposure to a small selection of the whole. You're blind, illogical, and obviously WRONG. Oh as far as the boyfriend response goes...better a pussy than an asshole cheers Kyle > You may be one of the few 'exceptions' but I always wonder how long you'll > put up with those people as they are and NOT try to convert them... or make > them see the truth as it were. > > Again, you may be the exception, but think about the vast majority of > self-proclaimed Christians. We were talking about groups in general. > > Oh, and to the young girl with the boy problems.... dump him. He's a pussy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sailor6233@aol.com [mailto:Sailor6233@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 10:57 PM > To: mike@mikevaughn.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Please help me out with this... > > > I'm a Christian, and I would welcome a homosexual, Jewish, afro-american, > who > believes in a woman's right to choose, with open arms. I also believe in a > woman's right to choose in certain situations. > > ~Maggie~ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:42:01 -0500 From: "bonanza jelly-bean" Subject: dissolved girl hahaha i just got those massive attack posts, and all of a sudden what comes on, but dissolved girl hehe. it is DEFINATELY made to fade... im playing it wicked loud... besides "made the fade" doesnt make sence btw does anyone have a copy of the mp3 that doesnt have that annoying glitch one line er two before the made TO fade line? i cant seem to find i good copy and dont know anyone with the cd... oh on that note.. does anyone have the lyrics from the actual cd cover?!?!? ~~e ~~i could fake it but i still want more~~ - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 4:37 PM Subject: Re: tech problem: message not going to entire list > > I still think it's "made to fade"...:-) > i think its made to fade too... well i dunno.. i'll have to listen to it > > > Well here's some lyrical backup if you all must STILL try and correct me > on this. Also, give the song a listen several more times... I'm positive > after listening to that damn song a million times that it's "Fade, made the > fade..." ALSO, you should notice a pattern in using the same word twice in > the song "Shame... such a shame..." Massive Attack Here's the page with the > lyrics to all of their albums. Good luck. > > > ~*~ Fade, made the fade, passion's overrated anyway~ Massive Attack > ~*~ Grow up and be a man, drop dead right where I stand~ Hole ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #27 **********************************