From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V6 #1 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Tuesday, January 2 2001 Volume 06 : Number 001 Today's Subjects: ----------------- npr-- happy new year! [mark alec ] Re: SO LAY THE FUNERAL ramblings [GlamourGrrI@aol.com] RE: American Beauty is not THAT good ["Stephen van Vuuren" ] Re: SO LAY THE FUNERAL ramblings [Rickyjoejr@aol.com] Fwd: SO LAY THE FUNERAL ramblings [Rickyjoejr@aol.com] Fwd: poe video on new dvd... [Rickyjoejr@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:35:50 -0800 (PST) From: mark alec Subject: npr-- happy new year! h'lo everyone. i know i haven't been able to post much as of recent.. just been very very busy.. however, i decided to take a moment out of my oh so busy schedual (i.e. in the not so busy time) and wish everyone a happy new year/millennium! well, later. ~~you can call me what you will...call me a slut...call me a jaded pill~~ ===== mark alec http://www.worldofalec.org/ or... alec@poe.org http://www.geocities.com/--alec--/ http://www.themestream.com/ the no-quote signature.. Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 09:20:46 EST From: GlamourGrrI@aol.com Subject: Re: SO LAY THE FUNERAL ramblings defintly, Sw is really depressing..with lyrics like "everything I touch I break" .....how awesome...speaking of that line..I was just curious if anyone has seen the Movie Jesus's Son [ i think i spelled that right..] cos i just saw it last night. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 11:44:24 -0500 From: "Stephen van Vuuren" Subject: RE: American Beauty is not THAT good >Talk about heavy-handed and theatrical....i believe you're describing eyes >wide shut more than american beauty. I have to respectfully disagree pretty strongly - EWS was not theatrical in any sense. Don't confuse costumes and masks with theater. EWS was a psychological journey, in a sense like a dream, much like the Schnitzler novella it was based on, written in Hungary in the early 20th century. Kubrick sought to capture the strange tone and feel of this novella in a contemporary setting - however, this is not "theatrical". Kubrick, unlike Mendes, has no background whatsoever and little passion for theater. I would be interested in your convincing argument of Kubrick as a "theatrical" director. His influences have also been literature, Max Ophuels and other filmmakers. The acting style and tone in EWS was very understated, reinforcing the wandering storyline and circular nature of the plot. None of these techniques come from theater, they are cinematic in every sense. American Beauty, however, with a first-time director straight from acclaim in British Theater was very theatrical. The acting, lighting, staging had numerous nods to contemporary theater. As for "heavy-handed", American Beauty left us with no questions. The narration made very sure (the narration is the heavy hand a.k.a. studio release of Blade Runner") we knew exactly who everyone was, what happened, and what it meant. Nothing really wrong with that, but EWS was the very opposite. There are thousands of threads on the Kubrick USENET from all sorts of people debating what happened, what it meant and what it did not mean. >Besides, american beauty wasn't about >sexuality. I think people often are confused as to what the movie was about; >maybe you should watch it again. I've seen it three times, once in theaters, once on DVD, and once with DVD commentary with Sam Mendes and Alan Ball. The commentary was most revealing. Unlike the commentary for "Fight Club" which was full of stuff I did not even realize was in the movie, I learnt nothing new about the movie or what it meant or what they were trying to do other than Conrad Hall's amazing ability to shoot daytime scenes at night. I know the movie wants us to think it's not about sexuality, but let me summarize: The movie starts with Lester masturbating in the shower, he has a sexless, passionless marriage. His neighbors consist of a gay couple and a closet homosexual. His wife has a sexual affair, he is has powerful sexual fantasies (which we see in explicit detail) about his daughter's sexually provocative friend, his daughter has issues about her body and ends up having sex with the neighbor next door. Lester ends up getting kissed and then killed by the closet homosexual who thinks Lester and his "gay" sun are exchanging sex for money in-between his almost has sex with his daughter's friend. I know the narration frequently reminds us the movie is about Beauty and yearning for Beauty, that we don't need to look for it in sex etc, that you can find it in anything, even death. But I'm not going to just accept that - the major thematic, character and plot substance turns on sexuality and sexual relationships. >I love kubrick, but for his last film he seemed to thought image after image with no real >plot or acting from its stars would fly, and it didn't. This is exactly what critics said about "Lolita", "2001", "Barry Lyndon" and "Full Metal Jacket". It's hard to believe that you really "love" Kubrick and think EWS is bad movie. Kubrick stated that EWS is his best movie. I certainly it's the most personal, emotional and powerful movie he's made. >Fight club, however was brilliant, and in time i hope people do recognize >that. It's cool we agree on this. It's also my hope that people with do the same with EWS. stephen www.xiveren.com "The eighth rule of Fight Club is: If this is your first night at Fight Club, you HAVE to fight " As for eyes wide shut, it really had nothing to say. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 11:48:14 -0500 From: "Stephen van Vuuren" Subject: RE: American Beauty is THAT good >... like the rest of my post says... because you can see the bitterness and >anger throughout the movie. I'm curious what parts of the film have this anger and bitterness, IYO. The female characters? Lester's job situation? stephen www.xiveren.com "The eighth rule of Fight Club is: If this is your first night at Fight Club, you HAVE to fight " ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:19:42 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: SW and Poe In a message dated 1/1/01 1:47:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > Excuse me. I have to go beat myself to a bloody pulp for forgetting Jeff and > > SW. The problem with playing a Buckley song is, like Sarah M., narrowing it > down. Not that all their songs are depressing or morose, but they are just > so freakin' poignant. And there is something to SW... this is not my kind of > > music hardly in the least, but I obtained copies of their first two albums > (complimentary : ) and something compelled me to actually listen to them > instead of throwing them into the "for selling" pile. I'm SO glad I did. > They just kick all ass, I don't know how to put it. (Actually, here's is > another idea for a tourmate for Poe. : ) I think I actually like that idea. Poe and Stabbing Westward. Beautiful. - -Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:29:27 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V5 #349 In a message dated 1/1/01 1:47:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > Eyes Wide Shut was a far subtler, more mature and wise take on sexuality in > America than American Beauty, IMO I hope you're just talking about the sexual power struggle between Kidman's character and Cruise's character, and not the sex cult. :) I thought the movie was interesting, but I think that American Beauty and Eyes Wide Shut are working on different levels. To compare them is like comparing apples and oranges. IMO. Fight Club was very entertaining, bizarre, and yet had a great philosophy hidden in it. Not to mention the addition of psychology. I didn't see Magnolia, though once i saw a commercial for it that I didn't even realize was a commercial for the movie. My roommate and I were staying up late one night, and this commercial came on. It was Tom Cruise advocating porn. It totally freaked us out. Like, what is Tom Cruise doing on a porn commercial? Then we heard about the movie itself later on, and it made sense. The commercial itself never said anything about the movie, but it turns out they had released as a joke to get people questioning about it, and then to see the movie. Very funny. Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:37:56 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: Funeral Picks I've been pondering on this funeral picks thing for a while, and I still have no clue what songs I would pick. I would have to go through my whole CD collection (I'm a music freak, it's a big collection), and I can only decide on five? That sucks. Well, um, let's see. I've seen some of the other picks like "That I Would Be Good" by Alanis, that song rocks, and "Pretty Good Year" by Tori Amos is one of my favorites. It's also the song I sort of rewrote for a friend's funeral. It just seemed fitting. "Tears on a sleeve of a man Don't want to be a boy today... Heard the eternal footman Bought himself a bike to race. And Brian he draws pictures, With the greatest of ease They say you were nothing In those formative years Well, hold onto nothing As fast as you can... Still, pretty good life..." You get the gist of it. There's more, but nothing I can put myself through again right now. Well, I couldn't decide what my funeral songs would be. Like, are they supposed to be something that sums up my life, or the person that I was? Or is it supposed to be something that would be like me comforting those I left behind? I always wanted my funeral to be somber for a few moments for all the letting go crap, than be a party. A celebration of my life and my passing. I guess songs that would describe me are "Bitch" by Meredith Brooks, "Beautiful" by Joydrop, "Black Dove" by Tori Amos, "That I Would Be Good" by Alanis Morissette, and "Not a Pretty Girl" by Ani DiFranco. I don't think I would play those at my funeral, though. I dunno. Guess I'll have to ponder harder on this. - -Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:22:20 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Poe #15 WBER Top 100 Hello U PsYcHoS if you are not listening, Poe and Walk The Walk were just announced as the # 15 pick in this years top 100 on WBER, I will post a link for the complete list asap. You may catch the rest of the show now in progress till 11 pm east tonite from a link below. Congrads to Poe. Hopefuly another single from Haunted will make next years countdown also. sp00k etc ... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Where Shes @ ??!! http://Poe.Org Visit My "POE" Place http://www.sp00k.com 3 INDIE Rock Grrlz http://EmberSwift.com Hear What I Hear ? http://wber.monroe.edu/live.ram 80K Feed ? http://wber.monroe.edu/live2.ram ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:12:05 EST From: Rickyjoejr@aol.com Subject: Re: SO LAY THE FUNERAL ramblings In a message dated 12/31/00 7:33:10 PM Mountain Standard Time, alec_thegreat@yahoo.com writes: > come come now.. stabbing westward has got to take the > cake for this category :) I have to agree on this one. I broke up with a long time girlfriend right before this album came out and nothing in my entire collection suited my mood so perfectly as did Darkest Days. Also......my picks 1)The Spirit Carries On - Dream Theater 2)Planet Caravan - Pantera (yes I know this is a Black Sabbath cover I like this version better) 3)Bloodflowers - The Cure 4)Solo Flight - Love In Reverse And for the big finale...Painted Pictures - Drill -Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:13:17 EST From: Rickyjoejr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: SO LAY THE FUNERAL ramblings Return-path: From: Rickyjoejr@aol.com Full-name: Rickyjoejr Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:11:52 EST Subject: Re: SO LAY THE FUNERAL ramblings To: GlamourGrrI@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 171 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain In a message dated 12/31/00 9:35:08 AM Mountain Standard Time, GlamourGrrI@aol.com writes: > and he was saying something to the effect of like "before we > Another little thing about Neon Ballroom. I heard another reason he wrote alot of these more emotional songs was because they had finally graduated. Daniel felt he couldn't have released these songs while in high school without getting the crap kicked out of him. -Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:14:46 EST From: Rickyjoejr@aol.com Subject: Fwd: poe video on new dvd... Return-path: From: Rickyjoejr@aol.com Full-name: Rickyjoejr Message-ID: <27.f7d97e3.27827ff3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:50:59 EST Subject: Re: poe video on new dvd... To: angry-psychos@smoe.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 171 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain I finally did see this movie. Not half bad. You can find Poe in the very beginning in a painfully short bar scene shot. It's difficult to hear much over the dialogue and such but it sounded good for the half of a second you see the lovely lady. -Rick ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V6 #1 *********************************