From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V5 #337 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Wednesday, December 20 2000 Volume 05 : Number 337 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Paxil [KrodKnid@aol.com] Poe on AOL [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: CALIFORNIA AP's?? ["Paentere Insincerus" ] Houston AP's and sex [Nora Lynne ] NPR: It's late/early, I'm bored, deal with it...^_^ ["J.R. Jobe" ] NPR: My Amanda Ghost site [Dustin Shelby ] Re: It's late/early, I'm bored, deal with it...^_^ ["Anfrey Cheng" ] While we're on the subject of Paxil... :) [Max Sadler ] Re: Somewhat Poe related [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR: The "How Are You" Dilemman [KrodKnid@aol.com] RE: NPR: The "How Are You" Dilemman [lance.kinney@amd.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V5 #336 [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V5 #336 [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: While we're on the subject of Paxil... :) [KoriG@aol.com] RE: Poe on AOL [liam coughlin ] Re: NPR: The "How Are You" Dilemman [KoriG@aol.com] Re: Poe on AOL [KrodKnid@aol.com] CALI AP's [SILVERnirvSTH@aol.com] Re: Somewhat Poe related [VR5SBloom@aol.com] Re: NPR: The "How Are You" Dilemman [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR: The "How Are You" Dilemma [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR: The "How Are You" Dilemma [KoriG@aol.com] Re: CALI AP's ["Mike Brame" ] RE: CALI AP's [Dax ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 01:39:44 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Paxil In a message dated 12/18/00 2:53:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, KoriG@aol.com writes: > Pardon me for getting all emotional-whiny on you folks. But I just wanted to > "share", because it may help some of you out there to know you are not > alone. > > (cheesy Michael Jackson song plays in the background) > : ) > KORi > Ever hear "Hellsville", by the Legendary Pink Dots? Maybe more appropriate when discussing mental problems:-) I have it playing right now as a matter of fact. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:02:35 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Poe on AOL All you APs who are on AOL should know that there is a Poe message board on AOL. AOL BBS are the coolest ones I have found too:-) Anywhoo, please post something there, as AOL is doing a housecleaning this month, and any folders without activity in at least month are going to be taken down. I think that folder is slow just 'cause nobody knows about it. Poe@aol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 01:02:19 -0800 From: "Paentere Insincerus" Subject: Re: CALIFORNIA AP's?? Hey- I'm new, just joined and also from California, Southern California. I noticed there's a whole lot more AP activity in Las Vegas, but not Cal. Be kewl to work and see if we can have a group activity out here too. :) Valentina >From: Ricky >To: SILVERnirvSTH@aol.com >CC: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: Re: CALIFORNIA AP's?? >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 20:43:54 -0800 (PST) > > >Sorry this is late. I was in Boston this past week on a much needed >vacation home. I'm living in San Francisco these days though. > >thomas > >On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 SILVERnirvSTH@aol.com wrote: > > > > > HEYA, ANY AP'S FROM CALI HERE? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 04:16:05 -0500 (EST) From: Nora Lynne Subject: Houston AP's and sex << nope, just crabs...but it's a rather funny song...the crab louse >> I love that song... that was one of the best off of that album. I don't think I would rate Lords of Acid up there with Tori or Poe (definitely not!), but if you want a few laughs... or as my boyfriend puts it, "I don't like them, but every time I hear them I want to have sex." Shame on me, yes I know... :) Anyways, so anyone here in Houston want to get together sometime soon? Let me know! Turtle ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:31:19 -0800 (PST) From: "J.R. Jobe" Subject: NPR: It's late/early, I'm bored, deal with it...^_^ - ---Hey Psychos, - ---It's 3:08am and I just wanted to say, \\ // \\ // \\ /\ // /\ || // ||==== \\ //\\ // //\\ ||// || \\ // \\ // // \\ ||\\ ||== \\// \\// //====\\ || \\ || \/ \/ // \\ || \\ ||==== || || ||=====\\ !! || || || \\ !! || || || // !! || || ||====== !! \\ // || !! \\ // || ===== || !! - ---Ha! Ha! (I told you it was late, it's now 3:21am.) |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| | /\ /\ | | //\\ //\\ | ------- | // \\ // \\ | /Why are \ /\ // \\ // \\ /\ | you | | // \\ // \\ | | still | \ / \up J.R.?/ | || | -------- \ /////\\\\\ / / \ //========\\ / / \ ======== / \ \||/ / \ \/ / ---------||||||||--------- |||||||| |||||| |||| || What in the hell! Okay, I have officially lost it. It's 3:58am and I don't know why I'm doing this. - ---Good night/morning, (here goes nothing!) ==================== || || || || /\ ||====\\ ||======== || //\\ || \\ || || // \\ || // || || || // \\ ||====== ||===== || || \\ // || \\ || \\ || \\ // || \\ || \\ // \\// || // || ===== \/ ||======= ||======== P.S.---If this made anyone mad for wasting their time, I apologize. I'm just trying to cheer up all of the depressed AP's out there. Besides, I'm sure I wasted alot more time making this than you did looking at it!!! So forget that!!! If your mad after viewing my masterpiece... FUCK YOU!!!! I'm just kidding ^_^ Except for the FUCK YOU!!!! part, I meant that ^_^ Okay, now I'm done. 4:29am Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:02:43 -0600 From: "Lance" Subject: RE: Paxil Ok, well that's kind of a creepy comment, but you know, whatever. Sometimes your castles in the air And the fantasies you're seeking Are the crosses you bear - -----Original Message----- From: Satkins0902@aol.com [mailto:Satkins0902@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 8:14 PM To: lancej@nconnect.net; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: Paxil lance.....I think we share the same heart. .........................scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:12:03 -0800 (PST) From: Dustin Shelby Subject: NPR: My Amanda Ghost site Rusty suggested tha I let you guys know that I made an Amanda Ghost site.. and poe fans will probably like amanda.. so check her out: http://amandaghost.cjb.net ===== Dustin Shelby Get Paid Just To Be On-line! http://www.desktopdollars.com/default.asp?id=Neptin Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:19:11 -0500 From: "Anfrey Cheng" Subject: Re: It's late/early, I'm bored, deal with it...^_^ > Okay, now I'm done. 4:29am hope you had a good 4:20... =) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:24:54 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: Houston AP's and sex - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nora Lynne" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 4:16 AM Subject: Houston AP's and sex > > << nope, just crabs...but it's a rather funny song...the crab louse >> > > I love that song... that was one of the best off of that album. I don't > think I would rate Lords of Acid up there with Tori or Poe (definitely > not!), but if you want a few laughs... or as my boyfriend puts it, "I don't > like them, but every time I hear them I want to have sex." Poe should be so fortunate that she should have the legions of fans that LOA enjoys. LOA is a sold out show each time it comes to Rochester. If you ever get a chance to go to an LOA show, don't miss it. Never a dull moment. See Http://LordsOfAcid.com By the way the LOA site is where I was introduced to the Jpilot Chat Program that now graces the pages of http://poe.org I'd bet that Poe recognizes the musical genius that the LOA act is. Tori ain't worth more than this mention for this discussion. sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:42:05 -0800 (PST) From: Max Sadler Subject: While we're on the subject of Paxil... :) I was on Paxil for about a year, about 5 years ago. I had been severely depressed, and had contemplated suicide a couple of times. I got into therapy at the same time that I took the medication. After about 2 weeks, when I had come to the realization that the world wasn't really so worthless and neither was I, it was like the clouds broke open and the sun came shining through! I was euphoric! I had so much energy and enthusiasm, and the whole world around me seemed to shimmer with magic and wonder. I smiled more, I looked people in the eye when I talked to them (which I NEVER do), and spoke with confidence. Over the next couple of months I started having spiritual revelations about the deeper nature of life, and I began to think that I was the next messiah! (It only occurs to me now, after reading your e-mails, that this might have been the manic side of the drug. I had no idea.) At one point, though, I went through one or two major crises that destroyed my faith in myself and in life in general, and went right back down to where I was before I had ever taken the meds. After that, they didn't seem to do a damn thing. Life went back to being dull, confusing, and just a big pain in the ass. My insurance ran out and so I had to stop the meds cold turkey, but I never noticed any side effects at all. I had come to the conclusion that the meds only did what I believed they did; that it was my state of mind, my ways of thinking, that determined whether I was up or down. If I believed that the world was shit, then the meds weren't going to do anything. But I don't really know. I'm not sure what they actually did. I wonder if it's hard for the person themselves to tell, because they're too close to it. I do know that everybody who knew me said it was like "night and day", once I had gotten on them, and the same once I had gotten off. I don't know what to make of that whole experience. Max Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:04:38 -0800 (PST) From: Max Sadler Subject: NPR: The "How Are You" Dilemman Y'know, I can relate to all have been saying about the "How are you?" dilemma. I've experienced that. Like you, KORi, I usually take that question literally, and answer back exactly how I am. "How are you?" "Terrible. I have hardly enough energy to get out of bed in the morning, and don't really know why I'm getting up in the first place. I'm tempted to just give up on the whole venture. Seriously, life has been just an endlessly frustrating experience lately. My life is going nowhere, I don't have any real friends, I'm probably never going to get a girlfriend..." The people who don't know me usually give me an outwardly-polite-but-inwardly-thinking-"Oh-God-what-did-I-get-myself-into" look. I didn't occur to me until just a couple of years ago that most people aren't really asking me how I am; they're just greeting me. It seems to be the most common way for people in our culture to greet someone. I notice constantly when I pass someone on the street, we'll nod to each other, they'll say "What's up," and I'll say back, "How's it goin'." It never occurs to me that we just both asked each other a question, and never bothered to answer! Because they weren't actually questions; they were just greetings. What I've had to learn is to pay attention to when people want to know how I am, and when they're just saying hello. Now, when I hear it, I just automatically respond "Fine," unless I can tell that they really want to know. And it's usually just the people who are closest to me. I know that generally people I know only casually don't really want to know all the bad stuff that's going on with me, so I'd usually say, "'Still alive," or "Getting by alright," or something like that. It's a true statement, and it frees the other person from hearing all the stuff they don't really want to. Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:18:44 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Somewhat Poe related In a message dated 12/19/00 2:34:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, crazy@crazylittle.com writes: > Umm get this, scary but true: the other "girl" is Cameron. ;-) > > no shit... it really is him. They were the only two who were there during > the taping. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yow!! He must have been using a vocal harmonizer/pitch shifter like the Arboretum "Hyperprism" v2.5...that one can shift the pitch of your voice and the tonality and it still sounds like a human voice rather than an electronic device. Stevie Wonder used something similar to "recreate" his 12 year old voice in live concert so he could do "Fingertips" and sound like the original. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:29:10 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: The "How Are You" Dilemman In a message dated 12/19/00 10:11:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, maxamatic@yahoo.com writes: > Y'know, I can relate to all have been saying about the > "How are you?" dilemma. I've experienced that. Like > you, KORi, I usually take that question literally, and > answer back exactly how I am. > > "How are you?" > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I usually just say "Fair to measley" or "I don't know HOW, only that I am." They have to think about that one for a minute. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:43:57 -0600 From: lance.kinney@amd.com Subject: RE: NPR: The "How Are You" Dilemman I just use the George Carlin response to mess with people: "How are you?" "I'm not unwell..." LanceKitty and some Toledo Windowbox - -----Original Message----- From: KrodKnid@aol.com [mailto:KrodKnid@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 11:29 AM To: maxamatic@yahoo.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: NPR: The "How Are You" Dilemman In a message dated 12/19/00 10:11:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, maxamatic@yahoo.com writes: > Y'know, I can relate to all have been saying about the > "How are you?" dilemma. I've experienced that. Like > you, KORi, I usually take that question literally, and > answer back exactly how I am. > > "How are you?" > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I usually just say "Fair to measley" or "I don't know HOW, only that I am." They have to think about that one for a minute. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:36:29 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V5 #336 In a message dated 12/19/00 1:40:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > Ok so maybe someone has brought this up already (I just skim this list > nowadays) but I tend to get a little bit offended when even females don't > recognize that there are women out there that want booty. In *general* men > are more sex-obsessed, but don't you think that has something to do with > what > their culture has presented to them as the standard attitude and behavior? Thanks, but I realize that. There was nothing in what I said that excluded that. It was an in general sort of thing. Culture also has a lot to do with it. For both sexes. But, biology plays a part in it as well. I never excluded culture. > It > sounds like you read that 20 page long article that was printed in a TIME > last year :) ...It could be so much easier on everyone if more women > decided > to go out and get laid when they felt like it instead of worrying about > being > branded as a whore. I don't read Time. I'm a biology major. I did a paper on this. Thanks. And I have spent years screaming about how there is a double-standard. I have friends that most people consider sluts, and what I tell those people who slur my friends are that it is their personal choice, and if they were guys, would they still be called sluts? I think a woman has every right to "sleep around". I would really appreciate it if you did not assume things about me. Thanks. I think its a problem (not of yours, I mean of most > females' general mentalities) that a lot of women will criticise men for > their tendencies instead of ridding themselves of their own inhabitions. I > honestly don't think my mind is THAT less dirty than the average guy. Notice I didn't criticise anyone. I know you said it is not a problem of mine, but I would really appreciate it if instead of deciding that what I said was all I believed, maybe you should have just asked me, instead of making assumptions. > I haven't slept in a while, I hope all that makes some kind of sense... > > - -Sarah > it made perfect sense. i totally agree. I was only adding in the biological part of all this. I'm sorry if i sound bitchy right now, but I already was in a bad mood, and I hate it when people assume things about me. Especially if they don't know me. And especially if what I said was not exclusive of these other things. I simply stated what the results were in a study. It was also at the same time a tease at the guys. Not meant to be insulting, or anything. Next time, I would appreciate it if you asked me about these things, and not just assumed it was all I believed. Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:46:12 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V5 #336 I just have one other thing to say. I hate it when people assume things about other people. When did I ever say anything about women sleeping around, and when did I ever exclude culture? I did say it was a purely biological thing, yes. But that was a joke, people! Something to kind of tease the guys with. Sheesh, I hate e-mail. Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:41:28 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: While we're on the subject of Paxil... :) In a message dated 12/19/00 10:50:06 AM, maxamatic@yahoo.com writes: << But I don't really know. I'm not sure what they actually did. I wonder if it's hard for the person themselves to tell, because they're too close to it. I do know that everybody who knew me said it was like "night and day", once I had gotten on them, and the same once I had gotten off. I don't know what to make of that whole experience. >> Exactly what so many go thru. But the pleasant swing of sheer happiness actually made me just insane, because I knew it wasn't me, it wasn't real, that even though I felt so great - stronger, happy, no pain, (I mean, it's like even my synapses had been altered because I wasn't even feeling the constant physical pain I had felt all my life.) I just knew this wasn't right, wasn't normal, and I SCREAMED and BEGGED others, particularly my mother, to do something and help me. I mean, for the first tie in my life, I felt I truly was losing my mind, that *I*, the real ME, was slipping away more and more, and that for good or bad, I will never get it back. (I still even wonder if I actually have.) My mother just thought I was being my "same ole" hypochondriat self, and just wanted to go to the ER like I always do. (She does not accept or believe in most of my problems, no matter how many times she is assured by myself, doctors, other family, etc. that it's all perfectly valid. She solidly maintains that I have mastermindedly snowed everyone and that I am manipulating them. Oh how I WISH I had such capabilities, or how dangerous I would feel if experts would make such diagnoses based on false statements. I mean, I AM a clever girl, but I ain't THAT good.) But no one else could see what I felt. The physical signs can only be seen thru the actions you take in reaction to the symptoms, (just like in basically all emotional or psychological problems.) Because they couldn't see it in a blood test, or by taking my temp. or something. Yes, I too was on a "GOD" trip, so to speak. I was downright dellusional with innerpeace and absence of pain and every other ridiculously absurd-sounding sense of well-being you'd expect someone who was going thru, say, a transcendental experience, religious awakening, whatever - whatever you'd only expect to hear "those kooks" to say they were feeling. I knew how psycho I sounded, but I still fully felt it, and because I had always seen people who made such claims to be at least somewhat "out of touch", I just knew for sure I was tanking myself, and it HAD to be stopped, and I couldn't do it myself, but no one would help me. I was going crazy OVER "going crazy." (And the fact that I have an aunt who gradually developed into a severely troubled paranoid schizophrenic, and aunt that my grandmother has always said I was "just like until things got bad," didn't really help matters.) Once the Paxil had truly taken over, and I'd have the racing mind spells where, if there was someone to listen, I could just talk and speak my thoughts at max speed for hours on end, my mother actually did get concerned enough that she almost did the unthinkable - she almost called my grandmother, (my father's mother, mind you.. her ex-mother-in-law,) to ask her just how things had developed for my aunt. (After all, this stuff can be hereditary, and I had already had both an alcoholic grandfather and father.) Any drug that can do that to a person.... to make them think such things, to even make the most disbelieving woman in the world, my mother, think that something horribly wrong really could be taking place..... well, such drug just has to be questioned. Sorry for my long rambling again. Like I said before, if it helps just one person feel a little more secure hearing my ranting, then I feel it's justified. : ) KORi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:58:44 -0500 From: liam coughlin Subject: RE: Poe on AOL you put cool and AOL in the same sentence..... Someone hasn't shot yet? - -----Original Message----- From: KrodKnid@aol.com [mailto:KrodKnid@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, 19 December, 2000 2:03 AM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Poe on AOL All you APs who are on AOL should know that there is a Poe message board on AOL. AOL BBS are the coolest ones I have found too:-) Anywhoo, please post something there, as AOL is doing a housecleaning this month, and any folders without activity in at least month are going to be taken down. I think that folder is slow just 'cause nobody knows about it. Poe@aol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:17:28 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: The "How Are You" Dilemman In a message dated 12/19/00 11:11:47 AM, maxamatic@yahoo.com writes: << What I've had to learn is to pay attention to when people want to know how I am, and when they're just saying hello. Now, when I hear it, I just automatically respond "Fine," unless I can tell that they really want to know. And it's usually just the people who are closest to me. I know that generally people I know only casually don't really want to know all the bad stuff that's going on with me, so I'd usually say, "'Still alive," or "Getting by alright," or something like that. It's a true statement, and it frees the other person from hearing all the stuff they don't really want to. >> Well, of course, I wasn't speaking of such cases when it's a total stranger, or just a casual "hello", (though I feel it cheapens the statement completely when it has reached the point we see such words as meaning nothing,) but when people ask with every possible inflection that they truly want to know, or even state it explicitly. "No, really.... you good?" but when you tell them the truth, no matter how briefly you skin the surface but still be honest, and they then say, "Oh, sorry to hear that. Um, I need to get a drink. We'll talk later." Now when that happens, I can't help but be bothered. Those people just want to look concerned, to be considered a truly "considerate" person, like it's a trait or skill to be put on a resume. All they've done is briefly (and falsely) given a person the impression that someone truly cares and wants to really know what is wrong, because they actually want to do something to help them if they possibly can. I don't mean that by asking "How are you?" a person is therefore bound to, say pay the medical bills for someone who's child is dying from cancer and their insurance has been cancelled, or spend the following 5 hours having an intense conversation discussing that person's inner turmoil. But they could spare a few minutes to either talk or just listen or share or make suggestions or give advice - just "be there". It's not that we are particularly mad at specific people for not meaning it when they ask "How are you". It just upsets us that, as people who truly do need such words to mean something, the phrase is so meaningless to so many people. Or people flippantly INSISTING they are "here for you, always.... and [they] mean that." But then they aren't.... ever... and obviously they don't mean it. Their promiswe is just as meaningless as those words. Now THAT, yes, THAT angers me. People often misinterpret depressed people to be needy, or clingy, or begging for attention. I think the only generalization you can make about us as a group are that we expect people to at least in SOME degree means what they say and only say what they mean. Sure, many people become depressed due to lack of attention, from anyone, but that does not mean they are going to beg or try to wrangle people into giving it to them. It typically only makes them become more reclusive and non-social. My point is, when I give them a feeble "I'm fine," or "Oh, I'm hangin' in there", and they choose to reply, respectively, "Really? are you?" or "Really.... what's up with that?", they are indicating that they want to know more.... probably not every detail of the full story, but at least enough for a good idea. And to flake out and/or bolt when such information is given (or even, is in the MIDDLE of being given,) it honestly rather rude and insensitive, no matter who the problemed person is, or how severe the problem may be, or the nature of the problem. I personally just find it impolite - much more impolite than I would consider them to be if they hadn't even said "How are you?" in the first place. (I know.... I overanalyze even the smallest things and I have an opinion about everything. Gotta PROBLEM with that?? : ) KORi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:18:21 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Poe on AOL In a message dated 12/19/00 7:17:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, lcoughlin@Dover-intl.com writes: > you put cool and AOL in the same sentence..... > > Someone hasn't shot yet? > Hahahahaha......that CAN be fatal. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:52:06 EST From: SILVERnirvSTH@aol.com Subject: CALI AP's hey all you Cali AP's, let's do a cali Poe party!! does anyone wanna do it?? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:25:28 EST From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: Re: Somewhat Poe related From: "Crazy Little" >Bay area radio used to have a morning show DJ named >Alex Bennett. That guy >had Poe appear on his show twice while she was >promoting her "Hello" album. >During those appearances she recorded 2 songs each >time for his show to use, >which were then encoded and built into a streaming >internet jukebox. It's >been years since this DJ's disappeared, but I never Um, did you actually look through the rest of the Radio Free Jack site? Alex has been doing internet stuff since before his Live 105 show was even over. He interviewed MZD for Play TV back in March. Mark told me about it when I saw him in San Francisco - he said his hair was blue, and since they were filming with a blue screen, it looked like he had no hair. Unfortunately I hadn't known about the interview, and I'd kill to see it! ::( Last I looked, months ago, they were showing reruns forever, but the schedule never said who the guests would be for the reruns...since Alex loved Poe I'm so curious to find out what they talked about. Most of the MZD interviews I've read/heard focus on the book and not much about Poe, since Haunted wasn't out yet back then. >guessed that the juekbox >would still be around, so here you go people, enjoy. =) > >http://www.radiofreejack.com/jukebox/jukebox-16.html Just wanted to point out that the first performance is available in its entirety on Angry Psychos Tape Tree #2. The interview explains this part: From: KrodKnid@aol.com >Amazing, just Cameron on cello (pizzicato) for most of >the song...who's the other girl? It's not a girl, that's Cameron! After they performed that (and Jones is in there on bongos), Alex commented that Cameron does the high part, and Poe said stuff about gender reversal, and Cameron said someone told him you're a eunich for your art. I don't remember, you have to listen to it ;P So basically, whenever you think you hear a guitar or a female backup singer for 96-97 shows, or even just for That Day, it's Cameron and his wonderful cello dammit! ::) - --Michele ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:42:41 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: The "How Are You" Dilemman In a message dated 12/19/00 7:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, KoriG@aol.com writes: > but when > people ask with every possible inflection that they truly want to know, or > even state it explicitly. "No, really.... you good?" but when you tell them > the truth, no matter how briefly you skin the surface but still be honest, > and they then say, "Oh, sorry to hear that. Um, I need to get a drink. > We'll > talk later." Now when that happens, I can't help but be bothered. Those > people just want to look concerned, to be considered a truly "considerate" > person, like it's a trait or skill to be put on a resume. All they've done > is > briefly (and falsely) given a person the impression that someone truly > cares > and wants to really know what is wrong, because they actually want to do > something to help them if they possibly can. > It is fairly common behavior for the essentially unenlightened human race to use another person as a foil for their own vanity. Creatures of habit, more or less bound up in mere superficialities, wallowing around in an ever more fragmented "reality", all casting about for illusions to give their basically meaningless existence the appearance of worth...unfortunately often at the expense of their fellows. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:50:33 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: The "How Are You" Dilemma In a message dated 12/19/00 7:30:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, KoriG@aol.com writes: > People often misinterpret depressed people to be needy, or clingy, or > begging > for attention. I think the only generalization you can make about us as a > group are that we expect people to at least in SOME degree mean what they > say and only say what they mean. Sure, many people become depressed due to > lack of attention, from anyone, but that does not mean they are going to > beg > or try to wrangle people into giving it to them. It typically only makes > them > become more reclusive and non-social. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It seems fairly obvious to me that many people who are of the "depressed" > variety get that way from having to deal with the elemental dishonesty of > the "normal" people around them. You can tell me all you want that > depression is most often induced physically in the brain, but does not the > brain respond to a largely untenable situation by shifting its chemistry > around in order to deal with it...and if faced with a miasma of lies, or > half-truths...the flailing around of barren souls...wouldn't the brain > eventually become extremely weary and depressed with the hopelessness of ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:41:21 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: The "How Are You" Dilemma In a message dated 12/19/00 9:50:33 PM, Krod Knid writes: << It seems fairly obvious to me that many people who are of the "depressed" variety get that way from having to deal with the elemental dishonesty of the "normal" people around them. You can tell me all you want that depression is most often induced physically in the brain, but does not the brain respond to a largely untenable situation by shifting its chemistry around in order to deal with it...and if faced with a miasma of lies, or half-truths...the flailing around of barren souls...wouldn't the brain eventually become extremely weary and depressed with the hopelessness of the presented task? >> >> Actually, I highly find this to be another cause of depression. I found that in therapy, I was constantly talking about my problems in my relationships with other people - people whom I have in my life by no choice of mine, people that I cannot "deal with" by avoiding them or cutting them out of my life. But things seemed to go in circles, so I looked at the problems themselves - misunderstanding and basic ignorance and refusal to change that matter, thus creating insympathy, honesty and "sharing" issues, the negative way a certain person with financial and sustance abuse problems was treating me, the illness of another person and the way it caused them to treat just about EVERYONE - just to name the majors. I saw that all I was doing was discussing THEIR problems to death and what *I* should do about them or how *I* should deal with with that person considering their problems. My biggest problem in my life? The problems of those around me. For me, discussing these problems just made me more aware of them and how I lead me to resent these people for making their problems *my* problems, and their either inability or refusal to recognize its affect on me. Basically, I was getting therapy FOR them - they were the ones that needed help. No, I didn't just JUMP to the assumption "Hey, you gotta problem with me? Then YOU need professional therapy!" but in these cases, well, it was the case. Of course I have other issues, but they have always been there and always will. I cannot do anything about them, and no amount of discussion can ever do anything about them. It would be like trying to use therapy to, say, change the color of grass. So when someone says that their depression is the fault of others, there very well could be some validity to that. And if you know such a person, don't jump to be defensive, assuming they are blaming you or making the stance that everything is everybody else's fault. First of all, they could not be referring to you or including you at all. Secondly, there is a difference between recognizing a problem and its affects and actually pointing a finger for such a problem and placing blame. I wouldn't, say, be mad at someone for not having time for me due to work. I'd hate the SITUATION, and by declaring that that hatred exists, I'm in no way saying I hate the person. Yes, to repeadedly state the case openly over and over would not be fair and could lead the person to feel blamed, so I would never do that. All I ask of this person is to recognize how this problem affects me and be supportive, just as I would ask them to supportive thru all my issues whether they were involved or not. OK, I've gotten so far off track I think I actually left the universe here. This is like therapy.... but I don't mean that in a "bad" way...... : ) KORi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:12:07 -0800 From: "Mike Brame" Subject: Re: CALI AP's I am most definitely in! Yeehaw! Mike >From: SILVERnirvSTH@aol.com >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: CALI AP's >Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:52:06 EST > > >hey all you Cali AP's, > let's do a cali Poe party!! does anyone wanna do it?? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:33:05 -0800 From: Dax Subject: RE: CALI AP's How about after the 1st of the year since people may be out of town for the holidays (like me, for instance)? - -----Original Message----- From: Mike Brame [mailto:mike_brame@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 8:12 PM To: SILVERnirvSTH@aol.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: CALI AP's I am most definitely in! Yeehaw! Mike >From: SILVERnirvSTH@aol.com >To: angry-psychos@smoe.org >Subject: CALI AP's >Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:52:06 EST > > >hey all you Cali AP's, > let's do a cali Poe party!! does anyone wanna do it?? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V5 #337 ***********************************