From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V5 #320 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, December 4 2000 Volume 05 : Number 320 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Christ [RbSayre@aol.com] Introduction [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: poe tour [VR5SBloom@aol.com] Re: Christ and Poe Unplugged [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: Christ ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Re: poe tour ["anthonybender" ] Re: Christ [Dracovixen@aol.com] Re: Christ [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: Christ [KoriG@aol.com] Re: poe tour [KoriG@aol.com] Re: poe tour [mark alec ] Re: poe tour [mark alec ] stay clear of MTV!! ["Anfrey Cheng" ] Re: poe tour [LivTheMdns@aol.com] menudo [PussyCat Moore ] Re: my picks... [mark alec ] Re: my picks... ["monkeygrrl66 _" ] OT of Manufacturing: KPR-Her Songs [LuvMeCrtny@aol.com] Re: Christ ["nem0 Wood" ] Re: stay clear of MTV!! [AT ] Liberty Bell (my Poe page) [Robert Cobb ] Re: poe tour [KrodKnid@aol.com] RE: OT of Manufacturing: KPR-Her Songs ["Randall Cordero" ] Re: Christ [BlinkMeBlind@aol.com] ANY MUSIC JOURNALISTS/PRESS AGENTS HERE? [BUDave18@aol.com] Re: Christ [BlinkMeBlind@aol.com] Re: Christ [BlinkMeBlind@aol.com] Re: ANY MUSIC JOURNALISTS/PRESS AGENTS HERE? ["sp00k@poe.org" ] Hi [LoveJoy89@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V5 #318 [SpArKi00@aol.com] PR: Poe Show on TV [KoriG@aol.com] Re: PR: Poe Show on TV [Svbubbles@aol.com] Re: Christ [BlinkMeBlind@aol.com] Re: poe tour [Trueluhv2000@aol.com] (no subject) [BlinkMeBlind@aol.com] Re: angry-psychos-digest V5 #318 [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: Christ and d ... d ... damn ... [Thinggeee@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 01:38:16 EST From: RbSayre@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 3:35:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, BlinkMeBlind@aol.com writes: > NSync was > ok i know i just got in from work (where, btw, i sold TWO copies of Haunted tonight and a Dido to boot, go me...) and i know my head hurts.... but am i the only one who's surprised to see this conversation taking place on this particular list? ;) head hurts. bored now. rick wants his headache to go away so he can listen to his new Supreme Beings of Leisure cd "Never kiss in front of other people. It's a big embarrassing thing if anybody sees you. But if nobody sees you, I might be willing to try it with a handsome boy, but just for a few hours." -Kelli, age 9 Rick Sayre 101 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 01:45:38 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Introduction 5. INTRODUCE YOURSELF a. Now that you are an Angry Psycho, we would love to know: (1) Who you are? The Black Dove (2) Where you're from? Connecticut. (3) How old you are? 19 (4) Where you first heard Poe? In my room while listening to the radio. (5) What other musicians do you listen to? Tori Amos, Ani DiFranco, Fiona Apple, Skunk Anansie, Type O Negative, NIN, Switchblade Symphony, The Cure, Dido, Loreena McKennitt, Mussorgsky, Bjork, Rasputina...lots of stuff, depending on what mood I'm in... (6) Any other interesting information you wish to share. Well, I remember hearing Poe on the radio and thinking, "Yes, I know what this girl is talking about." So, I got the album, found it to be immensely enjoyable, and waited eagerly for another album. All I can say is that it is about time. :) Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 01:51:17 EST From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: Re: poe tour From: FallenCollective@aol.com >how about getting her back into popularity.......this isnt >going to go well with a large amount of the ap communitty, >but what about an MTV unplugged session with POE? MTV doesn't have Unplugged anymore. I haven't even seen a rerun of any of 'em in years. Probably VH1 Storytellers, if Poe would ever get the $ for a video and some airplay. Storytellers isn't acoustic though, and I would be much more interested in hearing Poe pull off acoustic songs from Haunted, rather than the same stories she tells anyway during each show. - --Michele ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:16:09 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ and Poe Unplugged Um...hmmm...I personally don't like N*Sync, or any of the "boy bands", or Britney Spears and the wannabes. (Like Mandy Moore and whomever). if you want to know why, or contest me on that, you can e-mail me privately. But i think the all-out war on it is a little pointless. I'm new to the list, and the first thing i see is that half of the digest is taken up by an argument having nothing to do with Poe...how interesting. Anyway, I think thr Poe Unplugged idea is wonderful. Get some different music out there. I know a lot fo people don't like things that are mainstream, and i know some APs are against the idea of their precious Poe going mainstream, but seriously people. You can't dislike something just because it is mainstream. Poe would only be a wild mountain spring melding in with a huge fast-running river, but she wouldn't drown or anything. More people would get to know about her, and those that like her will become Angry Psychos, and those that don't, won't. Not a big deal. And she would only "sell out" if that's what she really wanted, or thinks she wants. I think the MTV Unplugged is an awesome idea. Black Dove ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:16:28 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: Christ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.R. Jobe" To: "Edie Sedgewick" ; Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 12:52 AM Subject: Re: Christ > > ---This is the worst post yet! Even worst than the > whole 'sellout' thing! Why did you join this list to > begin with?!?! Did you think we would do something > OTHER than praise Poe?!?! I don't care how "minor" an > artist you think she is, to us REAL AP's "Edie Sedgewick" AKA Twalen Fleety MonkeyMan Has been a card caRRying ANGRY-PSYCHO perhaps longer than I been. I never seen um say he didn't like Poe, quite the opposite, just that all the praise for the Goddess Poe mite make him get his hip b00ts. sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 01:24:32 -0800 From: "anthonybender" Subject: Re: poe tour It does have a nice ring to it. I think it will boost record sales and get her music out there even more. The more support she has from us the easier it will be. Live concerts, met, and everything else. Maybe even a live web telecast would rock, we could all watch it from our homes. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 8:47 PM Subject: poe tour > > how about getting her back into popularity.......this isnt going to go well > with a large amount of the ap communitty, but what about an MTV unplugged > session with POE? It can do wonders for publicity and would be great now > that she has a more diverse load of music to work with! what do you guys > think? it could kick off the tour and reboot her carreer even farther! it's > unlikley, but how many times before has she worked with her fans. Poe > unplugged........it's got a great ring to it.. > -mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 02:24:48 EST From: Dracovixen@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ I have to say I kind of agree with the below statement. Poe is just a woman, a remarkable woman, but you have to remember that she is human. Another favorite artist of mine is Tori Amos, who began playing the piano at age 3. She was always the musician first, and this left her as an empty shell if she was without the piano. She's aware of her cult following, but things like people calling her a Goddess, and not recognizing her as a woman before a musician really irks her. She has the hardest time trying to be recognized as a regular human being with a human nature, and faults, and feelings. She would rather people learned to worship and appreciate themselves before they even think to worship her. I don't know if Poe feels the same way, but learning this lesson from Tori has made me wiser in the world of worship and musicians. Both Poe and Tori are nothing but women, with remarkable musical talents. Not Goddesses sitting high on thrones that we are to bow to. but, that's just my personal opinion. Black Dove In a message dated 12/4/00 1:39:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org writes: > You guys could make me hate my favorite album with > > your praise > > > > I don't know how much longer I can stand it, I don't > > I > > don't, especially for such a minor artist as Poe who > > I > > like, sure sure, the music is good and as a person > > she's tops, but she is just a person and nowhere > > near > > as good as she could be (p'raps will be...) > > > > Fuck it, she's "Our Great Lady" "Our Goddess" Christ > > I > > can't fucking think under all this weight of > > bullshit > > > > Taxi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 07:08:53 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/4/00 2:32:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dracovixen@aol.com writes: > Both Poe and Tori are nothing but women, with remarkable musical talents. > Not > Goddesses sitting high on thrones that we are to bow to. > but, that's just my personal opinion. > Black Dove > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rasputina though, are of course, goddesses:-) Heh, heh... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 07:38:41 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/4/00 3:32:28 AM, Dracovixen@aol.com writes: << I don't know if Poe feels the same way, but learning this lesson from Tori has made me wiser in the world of worship and musicians. Both Poe and Tori are nothing but women, with remarkable musical talents. Not Goddesses sitting high on thrones that we are to bow to. but, that's just my personal opinion. Black Dove >> Of course. But it is pointless to go amongst a forum of an artist's most loyal fans, a sanctuary designated for praise of said individual, and tell people to get a grip, whether or not such "grip" is needed or not. It is a loyal fan's nature to adulate at some point or another, and this list is a forum in which the fans should be able to feel free to go overboard, get a bit carried away, be a tad extreme. No, you do not have to be a fanatically-devoted groupie with nothing but POE on the mind 24/7 to be a welcomed member to the list.... but at times, it may help. : ) KORi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 07:46:42 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: poe tour In a message dated 12/4/00 12:52:56 AM, FallenCollective@aol.com writes: << what about an MTV unplugged session with POE? >> Kick ass.... if only MTV hadn't ceased doing Unplugged specials several years ago. : ( ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 05:58:24 -0800 (PST) From: mark alec Subject: Re: poe tour <> - --- VR5SBloom@aol.com wrote: > MTV doesn't have Unplugged anymore. I haven't even > seen a rerun of any of 'em > in years. > --Michele they don't do unplugged anymore? hm.. i saw reruns this year, actually. the nirvana unplugged (i've somehow managed to see that one twice this year--that was when i had cable tv though :) ===== mark alec http://www.geocities.com/--alec--/ alec@poe.org http://www.themestream.com/ the no-quote signature.. Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 06:29:46 -0800 (PST) From: mark alec Subject: Re: poe tour - --- KoriG@aol.com wrote: > Kick ass.... if only MTV hadn't ceased doing > Unplugged specials several years > ago. : ( so.. if mtv doesn't doesn't do unplugged anymore... then what sort of artist specials do they do now (if any)? c'mon aps! let's get our lady some play! ... i mean that in the musical sense.... you (p)sychos... :) ===== mark alec http://www.geocities.com/--alec--/ alec@poe.org http://www.themestream.com/ the no-quote signature.. Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:50:31 -0500 From: "Anfrey Cheng" Subject: stay clear of MTV!! i think POE can and should steer clear of MTV and viacom. no one *need* mtv... did you know the highest grossing live show in the world has only made ONE music video (on a whim of their film major bass player) and has enjoyed great success without viacom stepping in. sorry guys, but i truly dislike mtv. it used to be real cool when they'd show videos instead of shows and repeats of shows that really suck ass. uhh just so everyone knows, i was just reading some posts about mtv unplugged and decided to voice my opinion... this is *not* aimed specifically at any person or group of persons. i know my stomach will feel calmer if i don't see POE on mtv. i'll go 1000% crazy if i hear it on any of the radio stations around here though... :) long live radio. music television has sure gone to hell. peace, anfrey ps: the highest grossing live show is phish. - --- Anfrey Cheng anfrey.cheng@gte.net http://anfrey.cjb.net/ (765)746-3800 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:32:00 EST From: LivTheMdns@aol.com Subject: Re: poe tour Poe unplugged? how about Poe karaoke style? (If you didn't catch a borders show, you may not understand that one) Mike http://www.polishchick.com/munecas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:39:49 -0800 (PST) From: PussyCat Moore Subject: menudo "Menudo is a long running Disney-like group from Puerto Rico which allows no members over 15 years old. They cast for candidates like Disney did for Mousketeers, and have a waiting list of hundreds to replace any members who turn 16. To their credit, it is a requirement that they be damned good singers and most of them are highly trained in that regard. They, of course, must all be cute as hell." i had no idea about that. that's one hell of a marketing ploy. in a twisted way, it's actually kind of cute. my two cents about this whole discussion (as if anyone cares) - i think it has more to do with the quality of music, and how one perceives it. i, for one, really despise most pop groups out there, simply because i think they are irritating to listen to. i just don't see the talent. however, i realise that most people do not find industrial/goth music very melodius either. i do admit to the occasional pop song being very catchy and likeable, such as "living la vida loca" or anything by smashmouth. still, nothing gets me going like some good rob zombie or marilyn manson. i just think that everyone has different taste in what they like to hear. i grew up listening to rock and roll, since my mom is very in-touch with today's music scene. but, i still like classical, a few country artists, celtic, techno of all types, riot grrl, the occasional will smith song (he's so cute!), and many other types of music. ok, and now i really don't know where i'm going with this. i have a tendency to ramble. anyways, if the music makes you happy, that's what counts. i just hate to see talentless losers ripping off other people. (no one have a seizure, i'm not talking about anyone specific.) rambling off into the sea, heather Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:04:57 -0800 (PST) From: mark alec Subject: Re: my picks... - --- Evo1777@aol.com wrote: > > yeah, i did for get that... but then id have to come > up with four more. whos > ever heard of a "top 6" list? hey! we're the aps! we can have "top 6" lists if we want! we're kinda crazy like that.. - --oap member, making a movement to start an a top 6 list.. also making a movement for us to get our own oap website--damnit, so-ap is getting one! ;) ===== mark alec http://www.geocities.com/--alec--/ alec@poe.org http://www.themestream.com/ the no-quote signature.. Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 17:43:10 -0000 From: "monkeygrrl66 _" Subject: Re: my picks... >also making a movement for us to get our own oap >website--damnit, so-ap is getting one! ;) heh heh - yup, we are getting one. i do believe you other groups are now inferior to us SOAP's... _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:48:30 EST From: LuvMeCrtny@aol.com Subject: OT of Manufacturing: KPR-Her Songs Howdy! I was wondering an interesting question. Let us assume that me and my band were touring. (I don't have one right now, but when I start one in the future...this is much requested information.) How do we go about covering a Poe song live? I mean I know that if you cover, ex:, "Trigger Happy Jack" on your album that FIRST after asking her company or HER you'ld need to print the necessities (for the album),i.e. you need to credit both her and and whoever help her with the music and the lyrics. And that she/ company would of course get the royalties. About doing it live, how does that work? (I wouldn't release a live album though...) Besides saying that this is a Poe song...etc. Rudy P.S. When was the last time that you heard of someone talk about Menudo in a conversation?? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 11:04:02 -0700 From: "nem0 Wood" Subject: Re: Christ >It is the production that sells, not the "artists". >You could just put the production out there, without any living people in it >at all, and it would still probably sell in the millions...you could sell >hologram composites of "perfect" rock stars if you hyped it enough. You mean like they're trying to do in Japan? Heh, and we think the boy band phenomenon is bad... In Japan, they acutally DO manufacture their idol singers. I once watched a TV special about how they find girls who are cute and then train them to sing. It's not that they can sing well, it's that they're CUTE. As soon as their cuteness wears off, they get dumped and the next cute girl who can't sing is hired. (See also the movie Perfect Blue for a good representation of the idol singer world.) Scary stuff, ne? And you thought the US was bad. elsetime, nem0 (resident J-pop fanatic) - --- "I'm not a wallflower. I'm a ninja, and I'm trying to blend into the wallpaper. Now go away before you blow my cover." - -- http://nem0.cjb.net - -- ICQ#: 32102269 Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 10:21:13 -0800 From: AT Subject: Re: stay clear of MTV!! > steer clear of MTV and viacom. long live radio. music television has sure > gone to hell. > > peace, > anfrey Sorry Anf , Viacom owns at least 12 radio stations,probaly more by this time.But take cheer in the fact that their stock has declined from above 75 to 50 in the last few months, and will join the general market in the 20% dive coming in the next few days to a week. AT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:37:23 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Cobb Subject: Liberty Bell (my Poe page) My Poe website, Liberty Bell, is currently in the drawing board process. I have great plans, but you'll just have to see it when I finally have it up. Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:18:42 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: poe tour In a message dated 12/4/00 9:38:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, alec_thegreat@yahoo.com writes: > so.. if mtv doesn't doesn't do unplugged anymore... > then what sort of artist specials do they do now (if > any)? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe they still do famous sports figures unplugged?? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 13:16:22 -0600 From: "Randall Cordero" Subject: RE: OT of Manufacturing: KPR-Her Songs Hmm...i guess 9 years ago...moreless...if we are talking about the old Menudo people...but like 2 yrs ago or less they got together again and make some concerts...(not like Menudo...but like some sort of comeback group) and they made pretty good concerts..and dissapear again. :) > P.S. When was the last time that you heard of someone talk about Menudo in a conversation?? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:49:07 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: menudo/NPR In a message dated 12/4/00 11:48:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, the_cats_meow6669@yahoo.com writes: > - i think it has more to do with the > quality of music, and how one perceives it. i, for > one, really despise most pop groups out there, simply > because i think they are irritating to listen to. i > just don't see the talent. however, i realise that > most people do not find industrial/goth music very > melodius either. i do admit to the occasional pop song > being very catchy and likeable, such as "living la > vida loca" or anything by smashmouth. still, nothing > gets me going like some good rob zombie or marilyn > manson. i just think that everyone has different taste > in what they like to hear. i grew up listening to rock > and roll, since my mom is very in-touch with today's > music scene. but, i still like classical, a few > country artists, celtic, techno of all types, riot > grrl, the occasional will smith song (he's so cute!), > and many other types of music. ok, and now i really > don't know where i'm going with this. i have a > tendency to ramble. anyways, if the music makes you > happy, that's what counts. i just hate to see > talentless losers ripping off other people. (no one > have a seizure, i'm not talking about anyone > specific.) > > rambling off into the sea, > heather > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, the main difference between much industrial/goth and such is that it is what those artists would be doing even if it didn't sell...it is not strictly "product" like so much main stream pop. Most underground music is for the subculture and doesn't rely on airplay in the mainstream to find its audience. Classical, eh. Rebelling aginst Mom's rock'n'roll...hehehe:-) Seriously though, I love classical too as well as underground goth bands like Rasputina or the Changelings who show a lot of classical training. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:01:16 EST From: Svbubbles@aol.com Subject: Re: poe tour she could do Hard Rock Live. *Shannon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 12:17:07 -0800 From: spink@pa.dec.com Subject: Re: OT of Manufacturing: KPR-Her Songs > Howdy! I was wondering an interesting question. Let us assume that me and my band were touring. (I don't have one right now, but when I start one in the future...this is much requested information.) How do we go about covering a Poe song live? > I mean I know that if you cover, ex:, "Trigger Happy Jack" on your album that FIRST after asking her company or HER you'ld need to print the necessities (for the album),i.e. you need to credit both her and and whoever help her with the music and the lyrics. And that she/ company would of course get the royalties. About doing it live, how does that work? (I wouldn't release a live album though...) Besides saying that this is a Poe song...etc. > > Through the ever present over sight of ASCAP/BMI all venues that have any form of music playing are basically required to obtain a licsense from ASCAP/BMI/ etc by law. The licsense covers the rights of any music played by any (in)organic "thing" in said bar venue. In theory this should allow an artist who's song is played/covered to be paid. In reality, what it does is allow the people who are currently in the TOP 100 to be paid since the formula basically distributes the money among the top 100 bases on surveys which include the TOP 100 in sales and radio play. So if you are playing in a licsensed venue(aka any bar, club, performance hall that ever plays music), you don't have to do a thing. Aaron Spink ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:36:20 -0500 From: "Anfrey Cheng" Subject: Re: stay clear of MTV!! aww geez :( at least they don't own any in my town. i believe they're all locally owned/operated, but they do play some network shows from SFX, like that "stoned immaculate" the doors special.. woo =) - ----- Original Message ----- From: AT To: Anfrey Cheng Cc: Angry Psychos Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 13:21 Subject: Re: stay clear of MTV!! > > > steer clear of MTV and viacom. long live radio. music television has sure > > gone to hell. > > > > peace, > > anfrey > > Sorry Anf , Viacom owns at least 12 radio stations,probaly more by this time.But > take cheer in the fact that their stock has declined from above 75 to 50 in the > last few months, and will join the general market in the 20% dive coming in the > next few days to a week. > AT ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:43:03 EST From: BlinkMeBlind@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 10:13:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@mikevaughn.com writes: << ...and I mean this will all of my heart: fuck you, lamer. You're just as intolerant as we are... so get over yourself sweetheart. >> Haha, intolerant, yes, but only to people who will not and do not think open-mindedly, you are a perfect example. Self-absorbed am I? No. If I was, I wouldn't even pay attention to what some of you rude and INTOLERANT people have to say. "Fuck you lamer," that's an intelligent remark, really. I know you couldn't think of anything more "offending" that that, see how that was your intent? Wasn't it? Okay that's what I thought. Danielle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:46:11 EST From: BUDave18@aol.com Subject: ANY MUSIC JOURNALISTS/PRESS AGENTS HERE? Hey there Are there any music journalists/Press Agents/ANYONE who writes in a paper/mag/online source regarding music? PLEASE EMAIL ME (Seb in Boston) RIGHT NOW: BUDave18@aol.com THANKS MUCH, Seb :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:52:33 EST From: BlinkMeBlind@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 10:24:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Krod Knid writes: << Um, no...to suck does not mean to have no talent. To suck means TO SUCK. I mean, Pat Boone has plenty of talent, but he SUCKS OUT LOUD. And it isn't the idea that BSB et al have no talent that makes them suck...it is not even them that sucks...it is the production that sucks. The idea that you could pluck New Kids On the Block or BSB right out of the production and insert N'Sync instead (hmmmmmmm...didn't this sort of happen even?) and have pretty much the same thing with the same amount of success...same idea with Brittney and/or Spice Girls etc. It is the production that sells, not the "artists". You could just put the production out there, without any living people in it at all, and it would still probably sell in the millions...you could sell hologram composites of "perfect" rock stars if you hyped it enough. That is one major difference...try putting Brittney in Poe's spot and see how long she could maintain the vibe and the artistry by herself with just a few friends and a computer...all the while fighting with the record company instead of being "produced" by them. >> No dear, it's in fact the opposite. What exactly do you percieve "to suck" as? An word can't be it's own defintion (eg - suck means to suck). It has to has some meaning behind it. So in other words, no talent. And just because you don't like their music does not mean that they "suck", if they did, they wouldn't be where they were today, and that's obvious because they would have no fans, which they have plenty of. And it ISN'T about production, because why do you think people prefer one group over another? Or one artist over another? Because they aren't the same, they are different in many ways, but you don't take time to see that, because you just believe all the hype and actually believe all those preconcieved notions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:01:28 EST From: BlinkMeBlind@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 10:28:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@mikevaughn.com writes: << Read your words carefully: "people don't suck because you find them to your liking." Now read the following statement: "I don't like N*Sync. I THINK N*Sync sucks." It's a fricking opinion. I'm sorry people with opinions "get on your nerves" and I'm sure any place other than your lily-white-bread-suburban-school must REALLY get on your nerves, but perhaps a little tolerance followed by a sense of humor is in order. Smile and realize that some popular things do in fact... suck. (Can you say Adam Sandler's last two movies?) And this would be a really boring group if we all only had "nice" things to say while agreeing on everything. Here to stimulate, your pal, Mikey >> No shit it's your opinion, mostly ALL of these are "just opinions". All of what I'm saying is my opinion, and only that, but if other people can say what they hate and don't hate on here, although it's a POE list, but if they can I'M GOING TO TOO. Period. And don't even start to think you "know" where I live just because of what I said. And no, everything that you don't like sucks, that's your opinion and only that, so don't tell me that it IS something, it's not a fact. And I do have a sense of humor, and very good one in fact, I laugh I stupid shit, but how is this amusing to me? It may be to you but not to me. And no shit, it WOULD be boring if we agreed on everything, I didn't say we had to all agree on everything, did I? No, so don't put words in my mouth. But isn't this supposed to be a POE list anyway? I wasn't the one who started this. Danielle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:27:58 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: Re: ANY MUSIC JOURNALISTS/PRESS AGENTS HERE? Well of course there are, more than a half dozen have been pointed to the list via #poe Seems like another shows every day... You Poe's press agent? sp00k etc ... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 4:46 PM Subject: ANY MUSIC JOURNALISTS/PRESS AGENTS HERE? > > Hey there > > Are there any music journalists/Press Agents/ANYONE who writes in a > paper/mag/online source regarding music? > PLEASE EMAIL ME (Seb in Boston) RIGHT NOW: > > BUDave18@aol.com > > THANKS MUCH, > Seb :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:48:25 EST From: Iamtheher4u@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ umm, I'm a tad confused... was that "fuck you" comment meant for me? Because I'll I wanted was for people to stop bickering over such a dumb subject. I'm really not an intolerant person, so if that comment was toward me, I just want to say don't make a comment about me unless you can back it up. Yeah I get offended when people say "fuck you, you're intolerant" especially when they don't know me. Well I guess you could say I'm intolerant of intolerant people. But if that wasn't for me, oh well, don't tell people stuff about themselves because they probably know more about themselves than you do. Tessa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:09:21 EST From: TimmysPrplMunky@aol.com Subject: Re: What's your favorite Haunted moment? mine is short but i just have to say one of my favorite parts is in 'not a virgin' when her father yells 'shut up i tell you' and she just laughs and yells back 'whatever dude!!' i dont know i just find it really amusing! its like one of my favorite songs too. . . along with control, haunted, walk the walk, and well pretty much all the others! ok that's all. **jessica** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:35:21 -0800 From: "Mike Vaughn" Subject: RE: Christ No. The fuck you was for Danielle because of her "stop freakin replying, your not changing anyones mind" comment sent to me as a personal email. That pissed me off... like I'm not allowed to post or something. All I did way send a joke to the group about my corporate rock bumper sticker and I get the "stop freakin' replying" comment from Danielle. What's funny is how Danielle said (and I quote) "...so everyone no more replys to this, and please don't email me with your shit unless you have something nice to say." Yet she STILL won't shut the hell up. Me thinks someone likes to argue. I'm done with this thread. Later. - -Mike - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Iamtheher4u@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 2:48 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: Christ umm, I'm a tad confused... was that "fuck you" comment meant for me? Because I'll I wanted was for people to stop bickering over such a dumb subject. I'm really not an intolerant person, so if that comment was toward me, I just want to say don't make a comment about me unless you can back it up. Yeah I get offended when people say "fuck you, you're intolerant" especially when they don't know me. Well I guess you could say I'm intolerant of intolerant people. But if that wasn't for me, oh well, don't tell people stuff about themselves because they probably know more about themselves than you do. Tessa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:36:22 EST From: LoveJoy89@aol.com Subject: Hi Just wanted to say hi to everyone, my name is Joy and I havc just recently become an AP. I'm 22 years old and live in La Crosse, Wisconsin where I am a music education major at the university here. I have listened to Poe in the past and just recently picked up Haunted, which has helped me tremendously through a very tough time in my life. Talk to you all soon! Ciao ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:42:30 EST From: SpArKi00@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V5 #318 DOES ANYBODY WRITE THEIR OWN LYRICS????????? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:06:09 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: PR: Poe Show on TV In a message dated 12/4/00 4:14:38 PM, Svbubbles@aol.com writes: << she could do Hard Rock Live. >> VERY good point, though I haven't seen that in a while. Is it still going? I hope so. They do (or did) some great stuff. I think HBO's "Reverb" would be truly excellent. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:22:00 EST From: Svbubbles@aol.com Subject: Re: PR: Poe Show on TV yah I just taped Tori Amos on it a couple months ago.I think they still do it.Reverb would be cool too. *Shannon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:23:21 EST From: BlinkMeBlind@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/4/00 7:28:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@mikevaughn.com writes: << No. The fuck you was for Danielle because of her "stop freakin replying, your not changing anyones mind" comment sent to me as a personal email. That pissed me off... like I'm not allowed to post or something. All I did way send a joke to the group about my corporate rock bumper sticker and I get the "stop freakin' replying" comment from Danielle. What's funny is how Danielle said (and I quote) "...so everyone no more replys to this, and please don't email me with your shit unless you have something nice to say." Yet she STILL won't shut the hell up. Me thinks someone likes to argue. I'm done with this thread. Later. -Mike >> Actually, why should I stop writing if no one else is going to either, I have the right to myown opinion, so does everyone else, that's what I'm doing right now. And did I ever say you couldn't post on here? NO. SO STOP SAYING I SAID STUFF I DIDN'T ASSHOLE. Hmm, and it's not that I like arguing, it's that when people don't stop, I'm not going to either. "Good" observation though. And I didn't send you a personal email saying that, I sent it to the group, if I did, God forgive me, I didn't think humans were allowed to make mistakes. My bad! Danielle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:47:05 EST From: Trueluhv2000@aol.com Subject: Re: poe tour i have seen ONE poe video..woah, it was a long time ago..but i remember watching it on a late night video show....only i dont remember what teh show was...i know im not completely psycho!! i remember.. Carri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:34:30 EST From: BlinkMeBlind@aol.com Subject: (no subject) Okay I promise not to write anymore if everyone else stops too. I think it's certain that no ne is going to change anyone's opinion, nor was that my intent. Danielle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:39:08 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: angry-psychos-digest V5 #318 In a message dated 12/4/00 7:57:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, SpArKi00@aol.com writes: > DOES ANYBODY WRITE THEIR OWN LYRICS????????? > Me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:44:17 EST From: Thinggeee@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ and d ... d ... damn ... In a message dated 12/3/00 8:22:13 PM EST, BlinkMeBlind@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 12/3/00 6:23:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, LiveThruThisVow@aol.com writes: << Um yes they were. I wouldn't post something unless I was sure the information was correct. Does the name Louis Pearlman ring a bell to you? Did you hear anything about the whole war against BSB and Pearlman? You must not be aware that... "They (Backstreet Boys) also wake up one day and realize that, for all their efforts and all their touring, they each have less than $100,000 in the bank. Plus, behind their backs, Pearlman has formed another all-boy band, 'N Sync. Feeling betrayed, Brian - a regular churchgoer who knows a thing or two about right and wrong - calls in lawyers. Suits are filed, against Pearlman and two other managers Pearlman has hired." That's from Rolling Stone. That sounds like the definition of "manufactured" to me. The reason why people don't criticize pOe and other artists such as her is because they write their own music and they work for what they deserve. Although Rolling Stone's music review of pOe's new album wasn't quite in favour of pOe, they give Britney Spears's new album 5 stars! So chill out, if people criticize you for listening to groups such as these, remember that they are making more money than artists that write their own music, it's unfair but true. But at least they work for the music, not the fame. As Keith Richards would say, "Nobody starts off to play an instrument with the idea of making money, you learn the guitar because you have this burning desire." These artists may not make as enough money as they should be making, but are still making music for their fans and themselves, and that's why they aren't criticized. So BSB and the like maybe write 4 songs from their new album, big deal. I'd like to see a whole album written by them, and then maybe they would get respect. >> Actually no they were not "manufactured". They put THEMSELVES together, I am a HUGE fan of them. One of their biggest. And don't tell me I can't like Poe and them. I like everything. Lou Pearlman was a MANAGER, there IS a difference. Manager, creator, same thing? I think not. SO it looks like it has been the first time you posted something you don't know the whole story on. Your not always correct. And it wasn't NSync's fault that Lou Pearlman didn't tell the Backstreet Boys about NSync. No, the word "manufactured" is so not even close to the definition of manager. That's ALL he was. They both put themsleves together. Hmmm, and if I'm not correct, almost everyone in the business has one, if they don't, they have their head too far up their ass to realize they can't do everything. I wouldn't expecct a 16 year old to be their own manager. I wouldn't expect anyone to be. And you say they don't "critisize Poe and other artists because they right their own songs and work hard for what they deserve"? And NSync doesn't? Granted they might not write every single song on the record, but they do write, and since when should people be judged on if they can write well or not? Isn't it soley supposed to be about music? What if they can't write good songs? Who cares. They work their asses off hard enough. "Oh no, I can't like them, not only do they not write their own music, but they don't play instruments either. What a lame ass group." That's not fair to say. It's the MUSIC that counts. Not WHO wrote it. And it is unfair that people who write their own music don't get much fame, but there are a majority of them who do. Don't tell me to chill out, I'm sick of people saying how their fake or suck because "OMG they don't write their own music! No way, they must suck, the music to." And who are you to say that NSync only works for fame? They are doing what they love. I suppose that they wanted only fame when they were singing there hearts out at 12 years of age. And don't tell me that the want money either, it's their job, that's how they earn money, don't tell me how they have so much merchandise, yeah they do, but do you honestly think they have time to sit their and think "Hmm I think I want dolls made, pillows, blankets, this this and that too?" No they don't, they don't make those decisions. It's the greedy people who tink they can make tons of money off this not NSync. And trust me, if they had the oppurtunity to write all the songs on there they would. In fact NSync has already wrote about 12 songs for the new album released in the fall, of which half will probably put on their, because Jive wants money. BSB did write most of the songs on the new album. And giving people respect or not, shouldn't be based on how many songs on an album they wrote or not. >> Seemingly the only bands they are close to the definition of being "manufactured" ((manufactured, being a term that can be twisted to fit anyone's perspctive)) have been O-Town and quite possibly 2Gether ((I never watched that silly MTV movie, but it appears that they brought these guys together for the sole purpose of making the movie and the albums from it; if they were together prior to this, I do apologize)), and I hear *some* television station is going to run a documentary simillar to the O-Town one, but on the formation of a girl band. On the note concerning the person who mentioned in Japan, girls are bred to be singers based on their "cuteness"; that is pretty disturbing ... And to Mike and Danielle and everyone else caught up in the whole "suck" side discussion, while, in an actual *discussion* about certain bands/whatever, whilst trying to iterrate *your* perspective, a somewhat constuctive answer should be given, for *perspective*, but seeing as this whole thing was not an actual *discussion*, it doesn't matter if Mike said "N'Sync and BSB suck" and that is it, because that is his opinion, and it has validity to it due to the fact that he wasn't asked *why* he thought so ((if he was and just didn't answer ... oops, o well)). But, ya can't really blast someone for not going "in-depth" with why, because it is "doubtful, very doubtful" that people who dislike something have no backing behind it; they just don't voice it. So, what did Mary just say? Mary is saying that no one should have to explain themselves to anyone else. They live up to their own expectations, and most likely not anyone elses. And BSB *do* happen to *suck* because of that tacky and quite disgusting and disturbing Rolling Stone photo! ((in all honesty, I wouldn't be surprised if, in the article, they stated somewhere along the lines that they weren't "bubble gum pop" anymore)) Mary ((the singular FLAP)) ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V5 #320 ***********************************