From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V5 #319 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, December 4 2000 Volume 05 : Number 319 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Christ [Iamtheher4u@aol.com] original authorship eventually PR ["Red Halcyon" ] Re: Christ [BlinkMeBlind@aol.com] most unbearable "haunted" moment [raymond lew ] Re: my picks... [Evo1777@aol.com] Re: Christ [KoriG@aol.com] RE: Christ ["Mike Vaughn" ] Re: Christ [Trueluhv2000@aol.com] RE: Christ ["Mike Vaughn" ] Re: Christ [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: What's your favorite Haunted moment? [Therancidjunkie@aol.com] please stop [Evo1777@aol.com] Re: Christ [Brian Kallenbach ] poe tour [FallenCollective@aol.com] Re: poe tour [Evo1777@aol.com] Re: Christ ["J.R. Jobe" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:55:17 EST From: Iamtheher4u@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ Yeah well... everything considered, I still don't like them. I don't think that they're talented in any way, shape, or form... but I don't criticize other people for liking them... unless of course they try to make me listen to them, that just cannot be tolerated. But you can't get all mad and fussy just because someone doesn't like what you like. If someone has a preconceived notion about a group that they don't like, then who cares, if you know that you're right, and they're wrong, who really cares? The person who's wrong, isn't going to listen, it's simple human nature to be stubborn, so let's everyone just let it go, please? I've seen BSB and Nsync on TV... and personally I think that the guys from Nsync have a much more fun personality, and that BSB needs to pull they're heads out of their asses and see that they're not that great, and that not every girl from ages 10 to 17 likes them... but that's just my preconceived notion, and anything you say won't change that opinion, because I'm one of the most extremely stubborn people you will ever meet. That's it. So let's everyone just drop this stupid argument already. Thanks for your cooperation. Tessa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 17:59:40 -0800 From: "Red Halcyon" Subject: original authorship eventually PR ok kiddies I'm the final word on this subject and any subjects for that matter since I'm just so smart *gag* anyhow it really doesn't matter who or what wrote what and who performs what but I recall an interesting analogy on such a subject on people who perform what they don't necessarily write it's something Sarah Blackwood of Dubstar she said that while she doesn't write the lyrics to what she sings she sees nothing wrong with singing someone else's lyrics cos it's just like an actor and I don't think many actors write their own lines so it's no big deal at all and it shouldn't be the performance is what matters really and of course I am not endorsing necessarily bands like nsuk backstreet brit and whatnot and to the Poe related portion of this public service is that she doesn't get credited with writing the music to 'If You Were Here' which does not ruin the song for me at all but enhances my feeling for it because that song is about letting go re: "It's ok you can leave now" and her act of relinquishing the musical authority to the track is extremely necessary to making peace with her dad rambling always Lee "Do your dreams come true?" "I haven't had a nice dream for years." _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 21:13:14 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 9:38:53 PM, BoredPiXie@aol.com writes: << When it comes right down to it, they're just being manipulated because that's what sells. I don't want an artist that sells, I want an artist that makes art based on what THEY want. Someone that does what they want to do when they want to do it, whether it sells or not. >> Sure, who doesn't... but I'm afraid you have a very over-romantacized view of how it all works. Hate to burst that bubble. Major label or indie, platinum-selling or barely-gold, most artists do have other people to answer to. That's just life. If there are no sales, then record labels pull this mean little stunt called DROPPING an artist. Leaving the artist high and dry. Sure, they have their integrity, but it's a bit hard to sell your integrity. It's hard to take your integrity on tour and then, when you get home, take that integrtity into a grocery store and buy food with it or use it to pay the rent. KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:28:38 -0800 From: "Mike Vaughn" Subject: RE: Christ But really.... BSB, Brittany, N*Sync just plain suck. Just like my favorite bass drum sticker reads: "Corporate Rock STILL Sucks." cheers. - -Mike PS- Poe is a goddess anyway. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of BlinkMeBlind@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 12:30 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 3:05:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, LiveThruThisVow@aol.com writes: << ACTUALLY... The person who mentioned these manufactered groups (except Hanson, I don't like their music but commend them for writing theirs) is correct. These groups are actually... um manufactered. Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, N*Sync, etc. aren't known for writing their own music and tend to do WHATEVER their record label tells them to. I'm not assuming they don't write their own music, look at the album booklets, does it say "written by B. Spears, BSB, N*Sync"? Nope. >> "ACTUALLLY" you aren't correct. At all. They are not manufactured. Manufactured means PUT TOGETHER BY SOMEONE OTHER THAN THEMSELVES. NSync was not put together by someone, neither was BSB, or Britney, whom couldn't be because he's only one person who has loved to sing since 12. And just because they don't write ALL of their songs does not mean they are manufactured, but in that case I will say that they write their songs, they have a lot, but Jive records for instance, is greedy and doesn't want to put ALL of the artists' songs on the record. Now, does it say written by BSB, NSync, Britney Spears? Yep. Which brings me to the reason I wrote in the frist place, to say stop critisizing what other people like and what you don't, because your doing exactly what you wouldn't wnat other people to say about Poe or artists you like. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 21:23:22 EST From: BlinkMeBlind@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 9:14:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@mikevaughn.com writes: << But really.... BSB, Brittany, N*Sync just plain suck. Just like my favorite bass drum sticker reads: "Corporate Rock STILL Sucks." cheers. -Mike >> See it's people like this who get on my nerves, people don't suck becasue you find them to your liking, "to suck" means to have no talent" which all of them do, regardess or whether or not you don't like their music. So everyone no more replys to this, and please don't email me with your shit unless you have something nice to say. Have a good night. Danielle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:31:17 -0800 (PST) From: raymond lew Subject: most unbearable "haunted" moment while we're all listing our favorite "haunted" moments, i was wondering if anyone also had a most unbearable "haunted" moment. ...no, hear me out for a second. not unbearable in that it hurts the ears, but unbearable in that it pains the heart (i know that sounds cliched...sorry). personally, it hurts to listen to the part in exploration b where poe says, "mom? pick up. pick up, please"...and so i usually end up skipping the track as a whole. i always feel like i'm listening to someone's heart get crushed. well, that's my take on it....thought i'd just throw it out to all of you and see what happens. ...ray **************************************************************************** west coast angry psychos >> www.egroups.com/group/wcap the writings on the wall >> www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew www.capitolrecords.com www.usc.edu/dt **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 21:35:22 EST From: Evo1777@aol.com Subject: Re: my picks... yeah, i did for get that... but then id have to come up with four more. whos ever heard of a "top 6" list? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:00:52 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 10:29:46 PM, BlinkMeBlind@aol.com writes: << See it's people like this who get on my nerves, people don't suck becasue you find them to your liking, "to suck" means to have no talent" which all of them do, regardess or whether or not you don't like their music. So everyone no more replys to this, and please don't email me with your shit unless you have something nice to say. Have a good night. Danielle >> I'm the LAST blind optimist in the world, (just spend more than 5 minutes getting to know about me and that will ring thru true and clear,) but I see it this way... If one has the ability to put a smile on the face of someone, and do it consistenly, then they must have SOME talent or gift. And if they can do so for millions, even if it is not to my liking, I still must commend them on that. And with that, I finally shut my trap on this whole subject. KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:09:03 -0800 From: "Mike Vaughn" Subject: RE: Christ ...and I mean this will all of my heart: fuck you, lamer. You're just as intolerant as we are... so get over yourself sweetheart. - -----Original Message----- From: BlinkMeBlind@aol.com [mailto:BlinkMeBlind@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 6:23 PM To: mike@mikevaughn.com; angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 9:14:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@mikevaughn.com writes: << But really.... BSB, Brittany, N*Sync just plain suck. Just like my favorite bass drum sticker reads: "Corporate Rock STILL Sucks." cheers. -Mike >> See it's people like this who get on my nerves, people don't suck becasue you find them to your liking, "to suck" means to have no talent" which all of them do, regardess or whether or not you don't like their music. So everyone no more replys to this, and please don't email me with your shit unless you have something nice to say. Have a good night. Danielle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:12:56 EST From: Trueluhv2000@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ here here kori! Carri ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:35:26 -0800 From: "Mike Vaughn" Subject: RE: Christ Read your words carefully: "people don't suck because you find them to your liking." Now read the following statement: "I don't like N*Sync. I THINK N*Sync sucks." It's a fricking opinion. I'm sorry people with opinions "get on your nerves" and I'm sure any place other than your lily-white-bread-suburban-school must REALLY get on your nerves, but perhaps a little tolerance followed by a sense of humor is in order. Smile and realize that some popular things do in fact... suck. (Can you say Adam Sandler's last two movies?) And this would be a really boring group if we all only had "nice" things to say while agreeing on everything. Here to stimulate, your pal, Mikey - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of KoriG@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 7:01 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 10:29:46 PM, BlinkMeBlind@aol.com writes: << See it's people like this who get on my nerves, people don't suck becasue you find them to your liking, "to suck" means to have no talent" which all of them do, regardess or whether or not you don't like their music. So everyone no more replys to this, and please don't email me with your shit unless you have something nice to say. Have a good night. Danielle >> I'm the LAST blind optimist in the world, (just spend more than 5 minutes getting to know about me and that will ring thru true and clear,) but I see it this way... If one has the ability to put a smile on the face of someone, and do it consistenly, then they must have SOME talent or gift. And if they can do so for millions, even if it is not to my liking, I still must commend them on that. And with that, I finally shut my trap on this whole subject. KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:24:18 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 9:29:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, BlinkMeBlind@aol.com writes: > See it's people like this who get on my nerves, people don't suck becasue > you > find them to your liking, "to suck" means to have no talent" which all of > them do, regardess or whether or not you don't like their Um, no...to suck does not mean to have no talent. To suck means TO SUCK. I mean, Pat Boone has plenty of talent, but he SUCKS OUT LOUD. And it isn't the idea that BSB et al have no talent that makes them suck...it is not even them that sucks...it is the production that sucks. The idea that you could pluck New Kids On the Block or BSB right out of the production and insert N'Sync instead (hmmmmmmm...didn't this sort of happen even?) and have pretty much the same thing with the same amount of success...same idea with Brittney and/or Spice Girls etc. It is the production that sells, not the "artists". You could just put the production out there, without any living people in it at all, and it would still probably sell in the millions...you could sell hologram composites of "perfect" rock stars if you hyped it enough. That is one major difference...try putting Brittney in Poe's spot and see how long she could maintain the vibe and the artistry by herself with just a few friends and a computer...all the while fighting with the record company instead of being "produced" by them. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:32:03 EST From: Therancidjunkie@aol.com Subject: Re: What's your favorite Haunted moment? Here's my favorite haunted moments, in no particular order-- 1. spanish doll (a couple, that's prob. my favorite track)- kind of in the middle when the acoustic guitar starts up, i LOVE that. also, when the kid says how come it's a house of leaves? i like how that goes with the beat. also--- i think that "estoy rompedo, mi muneca" means "i am broken, my doll" or if it said "estoy rompiendo mi muneca" it would mean I am breaking my doll. also, every time I hear that song now i think of cody when he did the dallas borders show doing really cool stuff on the turntables towards the end. 2. control- easily another favorite- my two favorite lines are: "you may be king for the moment, but I am a queen understand, and I've got your pawns and your bishops and castles all inside the palm of my hand." and "all those things you taught me to fear, I've got them in my garden now and you're not welcome here.." wow. talk about control. 3. i love all of haunted...... the bah duh bah bahs and the parts where it goes "I'm haunted...." and the variations that follow. 4. when the parents sing the song, in french...i forgot the name of the song now and i don't speak french but it creeps me out. Also the part where the child goes "where are you?" and the dad says "DEAD" that really, really creeps me out......very cool. gabrielle notice how much more harmony there is on the list now that the album's out and we can actually talk about poe and we don't have to make up things to bitch about or occupy our time fighting....this is nice. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 22:35:04 EST From: Evo1777@aol.com Subject: please stop hey everyone, well not everyone, but those few who are participating in this outrageous n'sync, bsb et al argument, please stop! i am beginning to see why we are called angry psychos. if a debate over the validity of a boy band is going to become this heated, there must truly be some angry psychos out there. the worst thing of all is that it is NPR. i know that by writing this, i am, in some way, contributing to that which i am decrying, but i will take the risk of being a hypocrite if it brings an end to these useless, angry arguments. please be friendly everyone. i thought that we were all a family... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 22:43:28 -0500 From: Brian Kallenbach Subject: Re: Christ > Read your words carefully: "people don't suck because you find them to your > liking." > Now read the following statement: "I don't like N*Sync. I THINK N*Sync > sucks." > > It's a fricking opinion. > > I'm sorry people with opinions "get on your nerves" and I'm sure any place > other than your lily-white-bread-suburban-school must REALLY get on your > nerves, but perhaps a little tolerance followed by a sense of humor is in > order. Smile and realize that some popular things do in fact... suck. (Can > you say Adam Sandler's last two movies?) And this would be a really boring > group if we all only had "nice" things to say while agreeing on everything. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. It's a lesson that almost everyone on the internet needs to learn at one point or another, and yet, it seems so simple and easy to get from the standpoint of someone who has already learned it. Read the following statements: "N*Sync sucks." This statement does not provide any information to back up why you think that N*Sync may suck, nor does it state that this is simply your opinion, which is generally a good thing to do, from a personal interaction standpoint. "I think N*Sync sucks. I think they have little talent, can barely dance, and only got to where they are because of their looks." In that statement, everything is qualified, and people know exactly how you feel. It makes the exact same statement, except it is infinitely easier to take from the standpoint of someone who might actually like N*Sync. Remember, it's not what you say, it's how you say it. Conversely, inflammatory remarks are made only to do just that. If you get inflamed by them, then you're only doing exactly what the original poster wanted you to do. Personally, when I see a post which says something like the above about something I like, I ignore it. Why? Because the person is obviously not looking for someone to converse with, he's looking for someone to argue with, and perhaps laugh at. Don't give him the pleasure by letting him get to you. Really, people, they're not hard concepts to grasp... - -- Brian Kallenbach E-mail: sasori@home.com [O] darkarchon@azraelproductions.com Undernet: Sasori [O] Chatnet: Angelfire AIM: Kindralas [O] ICQ: 21103806 http://members.home.net/sasori/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 23:47:05 EST From: FallenCollective@aol.com Subject: poe tour how about getting her back into popularity.......this isnt going to go well with a large amount of the ap communitty, but what about an MTV unplugged session with POE? It can do wonders for publicity and would be great now that she has a more diverse load of music to work with! what do you guys think? it could kick off the tour and reboot her carreer even farther! it's unlikley, but how many times before has she worked with her fans. Poe unplugged........it's got a great ring to it.. - -mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 23:54:04 EST From: Evo1777@aol.com Subject: Re: poe tour that would be awesome! im all for poe unplugged! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 21:52:46 -0800 (PST) From: "J.R. Jobe" Subject: Re: Christ - ---This is the worst post yet! Even worst than the whole 'sellout' thing! Why did you join this list to begin with?!?! Did you think we would do something OTHER than praise Poe?!?! I don't care how "minor" an artist you think she is, to us REAL AP's she's the best! Like some of the other's have said, no one forced you to join. - ---Angry Jobe - --- Edie Sedgewick wrote: > > You guys could make me hate my favorite album with > your praise > > I don't know how much longer I can stand it, I don't > I > don't, especially for such a minor artist as Poe who > I > like, sure sure, the music is good and as a person > she's tops, but she is just a person and nowhere > near > as good as she could be (p'raps will be...) > > Fuck it, she's "Our Great Lady" "Our Goddess" Christ > I > can't fucking think under all this weight of > bullshit > > Taxi > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of > Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V5 #319 ***********************************