From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V5 #318 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Sunday, December 3 2000 Volume 05 : Number 318 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Christ [Edie Sedgewick ] Re: Christ ["Crazy Little" ] Re Radiohead [Rhiannon ] Re: Re Radiohead [KoriG@aol.com] Re: Christ [BlinkMeBlind@aol.com] Rolling Stone's 2000 Reader Poll [BoredPiXie@aol.com] Rolling Stone Reader's Poll [BoredPiXie@aol.com] Re: Christ [Trueluhv2000@aol.com] Re: Christ [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: Christ [BlinkMeBlind@aol.com] NPR: Xeno [Xeno55@aol.com] RE: Christ [Dax ] Re: Christ [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] Re: my picks... [Matt ] Re: my picks... [Matt ] Re: Christ [KoriG@aol.com] Re: Christ [KoriG@aol.com] Re: my picks... [Levi Chronister ] RE: my picks... [Ed Hunsinger ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?PR:=20New=20pictures=20at=20L=E1grimas=20y=20Mu= F1?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ecas=20rotas?= [] Fwd: from SpArKy [SpArKi00@aol.com] Fwd: from SpArKy [SpArKi00@aol.com] Re: Christ [BlinkMeBlind@aol.com] Re: Christ [BoredPiXie@aol.com] Pictures at Lagrimas y munecas rotas [LivTheMdns@aol.com] Re: Christ [BlinkMeBlind@aol.com] Re: Christ [KrodKnid@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 00:46:32 -0800 (PST) From: Edie Sedgewick Subject: Christ You guys could make me hate my favorite album with your praise I don't know how much longer I can stand it, I don't I don't, especially for such a minor artist as Poe who I like, sure sure, the music is good and as a person she's tops, but she is just a person and nowhere near as good as she could be (p'raps will be...) Fuck it, she's "Our Great Lady" "Our Goddess" Christ I can't fucking think under all this weight of bullshit Taxi Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 01:18:02 -0800 From: "Crazy Little" Subject: Re: Christ Ah! Blasphemy! He used the name of our lord in vain! (and I don't mean Christ either) Why do we love Poe? Because she is a truly talented artist, unlike the fabricated mediocre bullshit like Ricky Martin, Hanson, and Titney Spears. Her music actually _moves_ us, and touches our emotions far stronger than any other artist yet. Then there's the old nettiquette saying, "If you don't like her, then don't join our list" - -C - ----- Original Message ----- From: Edie Sedgewick To: Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 12:46 AM Subject: Christ > > You guys could make me hate my favorite album with > your praise > > I don't know how much longer I can stand it, I don't I > don't, especially for such a minor artist as Poe who I > like, sure sure, the music is good and as a person > she's tops, but she is just a person and nowhere near > as good as she could be (p'raps will be...) > > Fuck it, she's "Our Great Lady" "Our Goddess" Christ I > can't fucking think under all this weight of bullshit > > Taxi > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2000 06:26:34 -0800 From: Rhiannon Subject: Re Radiohead no no no! at first i thought radiohead were quite good, but actually watching them do interviews and stuff really makes me think they believe in their "god-like genius" a little too much! rhia x - ------------------------------------------------------------- Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:57:29 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: Re Radiohead In a message dated 12/3/00 10:37:09 AM, bluerh7@icqmail.com writes: << no no no! at first i thought radiohead were quite good, but actually watching them do interviews and stuff really makes me think they believe in their "god-like genius" a little too much! >> Not to jump to their defense, (I am not friend, family or even devoted fan of these guys,) but if the entire UNIVERE os musical press was touting my new album as the biggest thing since the wheel, acting as if I could superceed Lennon and actually DECLARE myself God, and they wouldn't bat an eye... I think I would be a bit big on myself at the moment too. : ) But I went to a concert this weekend, (Old 97's, for those curious... and I always love to plug this kick-ass band anyways,) and before the show they played "Kid A". Man, hearing that album blast in a musical performance setting only made it more clear how a show from them and Poe would be so freaking grand. The cacaphony of sounds, the expansive yet not obtrusive intros and outros.... It would SO rock. KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 13:23:40 EST From: BlinkMeBlind@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 4:28:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, crazy@crazylittle.com writes: << Why do we love Poe? Because she is a truly talented artist, unlike the fabricated mediocre bullshit like Ricky Martin, Hanson, and Titney Spears. Her music actually _moves_ us, and touches our emotions far stronger than any other artist yet. >> Why must you always bring up how you hate other people. They aren't "fabricated" or "fake" because you do not like that music, or because you don;t like them, you don't know them, so you cant judge, meaning you can't make a decsion conerning if you like them or not. It's about music, and whether or not you like the music, it's never fake, and you do not like it when people critize or make fun of Poe, so why contradict yourself and do the same? Hypocrites. That's what all of you basically are, not all, but most. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 13:36:31 EST From: BoredPiXie@aol.com Subject: Rolling Stone's 2000 Reader Poll RS is doing their Reader Polls again--that means some potential plugging for Poe. Other people you might want to think about: A Perfect Circle, NIN, The The, PJH, Radiohead, Recoil, and I'm sure there's a ton of others I'm overlooking. Poe and APC have my personal vote. http://www.rollingstone.com/2000readerspoll/ - --pix ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 13:39:41 EST From: BoredPiXie@aol.com Subject: Rolling Stone Reader's Poll RS is doing their Readers Poll again--that means some potential plugging for Poe. Other people you might want to think about: A Perfect Circle, NIN, The The, PJH, Radiohead, Recoil, and I'm sure there's a ton of others I'm overlooking. Poe and APC have my personal vote. http://www.rollingstone.com/2000readerspoll/ - --pix ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 14:19:16 EST From: Trueluhv2000@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ yeah, really~~ i mean we dont go to peoples houses and say you must join our ap list if you like poe or not...i mean C'mon!!! she (and her music) touches all of us in different ways and that is why we are such huge fans...I'm not saying anything mean to taxine..but "to each his/her own" dont yell at us because we all have a very high opinion of "OUR MISTRESS" or our "GODDESS." you are allowed to feel your way, also... :) obvioulsy at one time or another you thougth highly of her or else you wouldnt have come to our little psychotic piece of earth, now would you have??? maybe you just arent angry enough to stay with us :) It doesnt matter, you like her, you dont..but we all DO...thats all Carri psychogrl@poe.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:00:28 EST From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 12:30:46 PM Central Standard Time, BlinkMeBlind@aol.com writes: > Why must you always bring up how you hate other people. They aren't > "fabricated" or "fake" because you do not like that music, or because you > don;t like them, you don't know them, so you cant judge, meaning you can't > make a decsion conerning if you like them or not. It's about music, and > whether or not you like the music, it's never fake, and you do not like it > when people critize or make fun of Poe, so why contradict yourself and do > the > same? Hypocrites. That's what all of you basically are, not all, but most. > > > > ACTUALLY... The person who mentioned these manufactered groups (except Hanson, I don't like their music but commend them for writing theirs) is correct. These groups are actually... um manufactered. Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, N*Sync, etc. aren't known for writing their own music and tend to do WHATEVER their record label tells them to. I'm not assuming they don't write their own music, look at the album booklets, does it say "written by B. Spears, BSB, N*Sync"? Nope. ~*~ Fade, made the fade, passion's overrated anyway~ Massive Attack ~*~ Grow up and be a man, drop dead right where I stand~ Hole ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:30:25 EST From: BlinkMeBlind@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 3:05:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, LiveThruThisVow@aol.com writes: << ACTUALLY... The person who mentioned these manufactered groups (except Hanson, I don't like their music but commend them for writing theirs) is correct. These groups are actually... um manufactered. Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, N*Sync, etc. aren't known for writing their own music and tend to do WHATEVER their record label tells them to. I'm not assuming they don't write their own music, look at the album booklets, does it say "written by B. Spears, BSB, N*Sync"? Nope. >> "ACTUALLLY" you aren't correct. At all. They are not manufactured. Manufactured means PUT TOGETHER BY SOMEONE OTHER THAN THEMSELVES. NSync was not put together by someone, neither was BSB, or Britney, whom couldn't be because he's only one person who has loved to sing since 12. And just because they don't write ALL of their songs does not mean they are manufactured, but in that case I will say that they write their songs, they have a lot, but Jive records for instance, is greedy and doesn't want to put ALL of the artists' songs on the record. Now, does it say written by BSB, NSync, Britney Spears? Yep. Which brings me to the reason I wrote in the frist place, to say stop critisizing what other people like and what you don't, because your doing exactly what you wouldn't wnat other people to say about Poe or artists you like. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 16:15:58 EST From: Xeno55@aol.com Subject: NPR: Xeno I quit. -Xeno ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 13:06:41 -0800 From: Dax Subject: RE: Christ Hello Edie- Whether Poe is or isn't a Goddess who deserves the AP disciples aside, I doubt anyone begged you to be on the list, so if what you feel is going on is excessive worship remember that you are welcome to leave the list at any time you please. What exactly makes Poe a "minor" artist to you? She just spent 2 years in the studio hammering out an epic album, and while she may never receive the "major" status of Britney Spears, I personally find the worship of those kind of artists a little more depressing, seeing as how there is very little intellectual depth behind their art. If Poe isn't worth appreciating because she is a "minor" artist, and that is the way you want to rate things, than how shall we rate you, because I can't say your name rings a bell? Please don't take this as a personal attack, I have nothing but love for all AP's, including yourself & those you feel go overboard. Thanks for reading. DAX - -----Original Message----- From: Edie Sedgewick [mailto:taxine@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 12:47 AM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Christ You guys could make me hate my favorite album with your praise I don't know how much longer I can stand it, I don't I don't, especially for such a minor artist as Poe who I like, sure sure, the music is good and as a person she's tops, but she is just a person and nowhere near as good as she could be (p'raps will be...) Fuck it, she's "Our Great Lady" "Our Goddess" Christ I can't fucking think under all this weight of bullshit Taxi Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:12:28 EST From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 2:35:52 PM Central Standard Time, BlinkMeBlind@aol.com writes: > . NSync was > Um yes they were. I wouldn't post something unless I was sure the information was correct. Does the name Louis Pearlman ring a bell to you? Did you hear anything about the whole war against BSB and Pearlman? You must not be aware that... "They (Backstreet Boys) also wake up one day and realize that, for all their efforts and all their touring, they each have less than $100,000 in the bank. Plus, behind their backs, Pearlman has formed another all-boy band, 'N Sync. Feeling betrayed, Brian - a regular churchgoer who knows a thing or two about right and wrong - calls in lawyers. Suits are filed, against Pearlman and two other managers Pearlman has hired." That's from Rolling Stone. That sounds like the definition of "manufactured" to me. The reason why people don't criticize pOe and other artists such as her is because they write their own music and they work for what they deserve. Although Rolling Stone's music review of pOe's new album wasn't quite in favour of pOe, they give Britney Spears's new album 5 stars! So chill out, if people criticize you for listening to groups such as these, remember that they are making more money than artists that write their own music, it's unfair but true. But at least they work for the music, not the fame. As Keith Richards would say, "Nobody starts off to play an instrument with the idea of making money, you learn the guitar because you have this burning desire." These artists may not make as enough money as they should be making, but are still making music for their fans and themselves, and that's why they aren't criticized. So BSB and the like maybe write 4 songs from their new album, big deal. I'd like to see a whole album written by them, and then maybe they would get respect. ~*~ Fade, made the fade, passion's overrated anyway~ Massive Attack ~*~ Grow up and be a man, drop dead right where I stand~ Hole ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:14:37 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Subject: Re: my picks... you left out the part of Wild towards the end when the music suddenly stops and she goes "la-dada-da-da-da" ala 'Hello'. That seriously made me go into convulsions. - -gm flash - --- Evo1777@aol.com wrote: > > top 5 moments on the album: > (in no particular order) > 1. walk the walk- when she screams "walk the walk" > with distortion on her > voice. (its kinda in the background, but not > really)- i just love to hear > poe yell! > 2. you think ill cry? i wont cry! my heart will > break before i cry! - > there is definitly something disturbing about a > little girl challenging > someone in such a way, and talking about her heart > breaking... > 3. terrible thought- the "youre breaking my stride" > part. she sounds very > convicted when she sings that. it gives me chills. > 4. spanish doll- "a stranger in this world without > you" - shows the > fluidity and range of her voice. very loungy (as in > "lounge singer"--is that > even a word?) > 5. if you were here- the very end when she says "i > love you"- sounds very > honest. makes me wanna cry. i love her speaking > voice, and this is one of > the few times you get to hear it on the album. on > the first album, one of my > fave parts is after the last song, and she says > "goodbye," then "im back." > her laugh at the very end is my favorite poe moment > ever. it is the fault of > THAT LAUGH that i have a tremendous crush on her! Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:14:46 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Subject: Re: my picks... you left out the part of Wild towards the end when the music suddenly stops and she goes "la-dada-da-da-da" ala 'Hello'. That seriously made me go into convulsions. - -gm flash - --- Evo1777@aol.com wrote: > > top 5 moments on the album: > (in no particular order) > 1. walk the walk- when she screams "walk the walk" > with distortion on her > voice. (its kinda in the background, but not > really)- i just love to hear > poe yell! > 2. you think ill cry? i wont cry! my heart will > break before i cry! - > there is definitly something disturbing about a > little girl challenging > someone in such a way, and talking about her heart > breaking... > 3. terrible thought- the "youre breaking my stride" > part. she sounds very > convicted when she sings that. it gives me chills. > 4. spanish doll- "a stranger in this world without > you" - shows the > fluidity and range of her voice. very loungy (as in > "lounge singer"--is that > even a word?) > 5. if you were here- the very end when she says "i > love you"- sounds very > honest. makes me wanna cry. i love her speaking > voice, and this is one of > the few times you get to hear it on the album. on > the first album, one of my > fave parts is after the last song, and she says > "goodbye," then "im back." > her laugh at the very end is my favorite poe moment > ever. it is the fault of > THAT LAUGH that i have a tremendous crush on her! Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:24:13 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 4:05:43 PM, LiveThruThisVow@aol.com writes: << ACTUALLY... The person who mentioned these manufactered groups (except Hanson, I don't like their music but commend them for writing theirs) is correct. These groups are actually... um manufactered. Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, N*Sync, etc. aren't known for writing their own music and tend to do WHATEVER their record label tells them to. I'm not assuming they don't write their own music, look at the album booklets, does it say "written by B. Spears, BSB, N*Sync"? Nope. >> Ugh.... I hate to bring this overbeaten discussion to this board, but if some sanctimoneous people think-they-know-it-alls insist on tooting horns, they should know the facts. Do NOT assume that because an artist writes their own material that they automatically are holier than others. If you have the ability to talk, the ability to construct some semblance of phrases, you can write lyrics. If you have the ability to hum even the most banal of melodies, you can write music. OK, you probably won't have the the skills to put either of these elements to sheet music, but that is not everything. In just about every facet of life, those with technical skills must work with those with creative skills to create the best results, whether it be film, music, web design, education, WHATEVER. ure, it would be convenient if every musician had the skill of Prince and could do EVERYTHING, but I reckon it would get damn boring. Elton John, a bonafide modern-day genius, is the first to point out he's hardly ever written a word of his material, and doesn't really want to. He picks writing partners that he has faith in to do this part of the process with him. Does this mak him any less of a musician? Well, if it does, then I could only PRAY to be as "little" of a musician as him at some point in my life. On a second note, many of the pop acts you are trying to slam do in fact write at least some of their material... but then, you would probably attack them because you would automatically consider such material inferior. Well, make up your mind.... Do you want them to write their stuff on their own, even though their strength is in performance, or only record material penned by others, so you may attack them for not doing their own stuff? One of the greatest skills an entertainer can possess is knowing how to choose which material is best for them to record and perform, no matter who wrote it. There are many different roles to be filled in the creation and production of music -- songwriter, performer, producer, programmer, musician, engineer, and so on. If you can do then all, peachy keen, but one should not be expected to. My best friend and his bandmates are damn good producers and engineers, and they get paid solid money from numerous solid acts from all over for their production skills. But when it comes to going into the studio for themselves and recording their own material, they hire higher-up producers. Why? Because they want to work witht he best they can and continue to grow and learn. Sure, a t-bone is just fine and dandy. But if you can get your hands on the filet mignon, then by all means, go for it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:32:58 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 5:23:50 PM, Dax@launch.com writes: << What exactly makes Poe a "minor" artist to you? She just spent 2 years in the studio hammering out an epic album, and while she may never receive the "major" status of Britney Spears, I personally find the worship of those kind of artists a little more depressing, seeing as how there is very little intellectual depth behind their art. If Poe isn't worth appreciating because she is a "minor" artist, and that is the way you want to rate things, than how shall we rate you, because I can't say your name rings a bell? >> There are no minor artists. Only minor fans. : ) KORi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 17:34:46 +0000 From: Levi Chronister Subject: Re: my picks... Maybe it's just me, but I don't like that she samples Hello. It seems like she's slacking and falling back on previous work rather than making something new. I know that's being very nit-picky, but I hate seeing artists use their on prior work unless they're making fun of it. Levi Matt wrote: > you left out the part of Wild towards the end when the > music suddenly stops and she goes "la-dada-da-da-da" > ala 'Hello'. That seriously made me go into > convulsions. > > -gm flash > --- Evo1777@aol.com wrote: > > > > top 5 moments on the album: > > (in no particular order) > > 1. walk the walk- when she screams "walk the walk" > > with distortion on her > > voice. (its kinda in the background, but not > > really)- i just love to hear > > poe yell! > > 2. you think ill cry? i wont cry! my heart will > > break before i cry! - > > there is definitly something disturbing about a > > little girl challenging > > someone in such a way, and talking about her heart > > breaking... > > 3. terrible thought- the "youre breaking my stride" > > part. she sounds very > > convicted when she sings that. it gives me chills. > > 4. spanish doll- "a stranger in this world without > > you" - shows the > > fluidity and range of her voice. very loungy (as in > > "lounge singer"--is that > > even a word?) > > 5. if you were here- the very end when she says "i > > love you"- sounds very > > honest. makes me wanna cry. i love her speaking > > voice, and this is one of > > the few times you get to hear it on the album. on > > the first album, one of my > > fave parts is after the last song, and she says > > "goodbye," then "im back." > > her laugh at the very end is my favorite poe moment > > ever. it is the fault of > > THAT LAUGH that i have a tremendous crush on her! > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 19:04:58 -0500 From: Ed Hunsinger Subject: RE: my picks... I definitely see what you're saying.. Here's my take though. I see the clip as sort of nostalgic... kind of like hearing (years later) the song you danced to with your wife on your wedding night.. It holds certain emotions. When I first heard that clip, it caught me off gaurd, and my instant reaction was "Hey, I know that!! " It was a throw back to yesterday to use a cliche. I don't think she was slacking at all though, as Wild was a very different turn for Poe. I do however see a lot of artists doing exactly what your talking about. Not every album should be the same as the last, but on the other hand not every album should be entirely different. There are parts of the artists that can be found through each album. Ed Hunsinger ed@poe.org http://divinity.relic.net - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Levi Chronister Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 12:35 PM To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: my picks... Maybe it's just me, but I don't like that she samples Hello. It seems like she's slacking and falling back on previous work rather than making something new. I know that's being very nit-picky, but I hate seeing artists use their on prior work unless they're making fun of it. Levi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:45:19 EST From: LivTheMdns@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?PR:=20New=20pictures=20at=20L=E1grimas=20y=20Mu= F1?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ecas=20rotas?= Shell asked me to make some Poe wall paper, a few weeks back (I still haven't finished that one yet). Anyway, I did end up doing a little editing to the pictures and came up with some interesting ones. You can see them at http://www.polishchick.com/munecas thanks to dean for the server space ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:53:07 EST From: SpArKi00@aol.com Subject: Fwd: from SpArKy trying to fix or change something, only guarantees and perpetuates it's existence. Return-path: From: SpArKi00@aol.com Full-name: SpArKi00 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:42:57 EST Subject: from SpArKy To: CAYDEEGODFREY@NETSCAPE.NET, aoe420@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 126 trying to fix or change something, only guarantees and perpetuates it's existence. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:51:42 EST From: SpArKi00@aol.com Subject: Fwd: from SpArKy Return-path: From: SpArKi00@aol.com Full-name: SpArKi00 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:42:57 EST Subject: from SpArKy To: CAYDEEGODFREY@NETSCAPE.NET, aoe420@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 126 trying to fix or change something, only guarantees and perpetuates it's existence. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:14:44 EST From: BlinkMeBlind@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 6:23:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, LiveThruThisVow@aol.com writes: << Um yes they were. I wouldn't post something unless I was sure the information was correct. Does the name Louis Pearlman ring a bell to you? Did you hear anything about the whole war against BSB and Pearlman? You must not be aware that... "They (Backstreet Boys) also wake up one day and realize that, for all their efforts and all their touring, they each have less than $100,000 in the bank. Plus, behind their backs, Pearlman has formed another all-boy band, 'N Sync. Feeling betrayed, Brian - a regular churchgoer who knows a thing or two about right and wrong - calls in lawyers. Suits are filed, against Pearlman and two other managers Pearlman has hired." That's from Rolling Stone. That sounds like the definition of "manufactured" to me. The reason why people don't criticize pOe and other artists such as her is because they write their own music and they work for what they deserve. Although Rolling Stone's music review of pOe's new album wasn't quite in favour of pOe, they give Britney Spears's new album 5 stars! So chill out, if people criticize you for listening to groups such as these, remember that they are making more money than artists that write their own music, it's unfair but true. But at least they work for the music, not the fame. As Keith Richards would say, "Nobody starts off to play an instrument with the idea of making money, you learn the guitar because you have this burning desire." These artists may not make as enough money as they should be making, but are still making music for their fans and themselves, and that's why they aren't criticized. So BSB and the like maybe write 4 songs from their new album, big deal. I'd like to see a whole album written by them, and then maybe they would get respect. >> Actually no they were not "manufactured". They put THEMSELVES together, I am a HUGE fan of them. One of their biggest. And don't tell me I can't like Poe and them. I like everything. Lou Pearlman was a MANAGER, there IS a difference. Manager, creator, same thing? I think not. SO it looks like it has been the first time you posted something you don't know the whole story on. Your not always correct. And it wasn't NSync's fault that Lou Pearlman didn't tell the Backstreet Boys about NSync. No, the word "manufactured" is so not even close to the definition of manager. That's ALL he was. They both put themsleves together. Hmmm, and if I'm not correct, almost everyone in the business has one, if they don't, they have their head too far up their ass to realize they can't do everything. I wouldn't expecct a 16 year old to be their own manager. I wouldn't expect anyone to be. And you say they don't "critisize Poe and other artists because they right their own songs and work hard for what they deserve"? And NSync doesn't? Granted they might not write every single song on the record, but they do write, and since when should people be judged on if they can write well or not? Isn't it soley supposed to be about music? What if they can't write good songs? Who cares. They work their asses off hard enough. "Oh no, I can't like them, not only do they not write their own music, but they don't play instruments either. What a lame ass group." That's not fair to say. It's the MUSIC that counts. Not WHO wrote it. And it is unfair that people who write their own music don't get much fame, but there are a majority of them who do. Don't tell me to chill out, I'm sick of people saying how their fake or suck because "OMG they don't write their own music! No way, they must suck, the music to." And who are you to say that NSync only works for fame? They are doing what they love. I suppose that they wanted only fame when they were singing there hearts out at 12 years of age. And don't tell me that the want money either, it's their job, that's how they earn money, don't tell me how they have so much merchandise, yeah they do, but do you honestly think they have time to sit their and think "Hmm I think I want dolls made, pillows, blankets, this this and that too?" No they don't, they don't make those decisions. It's the greedy people who tink they can make tons of money off this not NSync. And trust me, if they had the oppurtunity to write all the songs on there they would. In fact NSync has already wrote about 12 songs for the new album released in the fall, of which half will probably put on their, because Jive wants money. BSB did write most of the songs on the new album. And giving people respect or not, shouldn't be based on how many songs on an album they wrote or not. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:31:26 EST From: BoredPiXie@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ I think what people are trying to say is that they're more of a product than anything. Sure, maybe THEY--the band, that is--are sincere in what they do, but they have people that mold them. They are held by contract to do whatever the record company wants them to do, whether it's really where they want to go with their "art" or not. They may write some of their own music, but a true artist, whether or not they wrote for themselves, would be independent about doing what they wanted to do. Whether they like it or not, NSync is going to have dolls made. They have no say in their career as musicians and that's what bothers me about them. When I hear of things they do, I know it's not THEIR decision, but their record company. When it comes right down to it, they're just being manipulated because that's what sells. I don't want an artist that sells, I want an artist that makes art based on what THEY want. Someone that does what they want to do when they want to do it, whether it sells or not. If that made any sense. Also, calm down a little bit. By insulting the band, no one is insulting you. There's no need to be so defensive and vehement about your musical choices. - --Pix ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:37:00 EST From: LivTheMdns@aol.com Subject: Pictures at Lagrimas y munecas rotas That's what the topic should have been, thank you AOL, you have successfully ruined another e-mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:44:20 EST From: BlinkMeBlind@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 8:31:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, BoredPiXie writes: << I think what people are trying to say is that they're more of a product than anything. Sure, maybe THEY--the band, that is--are sincere in what they do, but they have people that mold them. They are held by contract to do whatever the record company wants them to do, whether it's really where they want to go with their "art" or not. They may write some of their own music, but a true artist, whether or not they wrote for themselves, would be independent about doing what they wanted to do. Whether they like it or not, NSync is going to have dolls made. They have no say in their career as musicians and that's what bothers me about them. When I hear of things they do, I know it's not THEIR decision, but their record company. When it comes right down to it, they're just being manipulated because that's what sells. I don't want an artist that sells, I want an artist that makes art based on what THEY want. Someone that does what they want to do when they want to do it, whether it sells or not. If that made any sense. Also, calm down a little bit. By insulting the band, no one is insulting you. There's no need to be so defensive and vehement about your musical choices. --Pix >> Yeah it's true the contract holds them, but that doesn't make them any less of an artist, or "true artist" as you would say. And by molded, I think some are molded, but that doesn't mean that all are, like NSync and BSB. But if you mean molded meaning limited to what they can sing or not, it's true BECAUSE of the record company who will not let them put all of the songs they HAVE written on the album, they want more money. And not all "artists that sell" have bad music. That has no garanttee that they don't have talent or great voices. That's what I am trying to say, you can not say that all artist that don't write their songs aren't talented, or have good music, same for all of them who are popular, or all of them who don't play instruments, or all of them who dance in all the fast songs.LOL yeah that made sense, but in the first place, I'm not flipping out, I'n just stating my opinion to those who are close-mindecd a prejudge. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 20:53:48 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: Christ In a message dated 12/3/00 6:23:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, LiveThruThisVow@aol.com writes: > Um yes they were. I wouldn't post something unless I was sure the > information was correct. Does the name Louis Pearlman ring a bell to you? > Did > you hear anything about the whole war against BSB and Pearlman? You must > not > be aware that... "They (Backstreet Boys) also wake up one day and realize > that, for all their efforts and all their touring, they each have less than > $100,000 in the bank. Plus, behind their backs, Pearlman has formed another > all-boy band, 'N Sync. Feeling betrayed, Brian - a regular churchgoer who > knows a thing or two about right and wrong - calls in lawyers. Suits are > filed, against Pearlman and two other managers Pearlman has hired." That's > from Rolling Stone. That sounds like the definition of "manufactured" to > me. > The reason why people don't criticize pOe and other artists such as her is > because they write their own music and they work for what they deserve. > Although Rolling Stone's music review of pOe's new album wasn't quite in > favour of pOe, they give Britney Spears's new album 5 stars! So chill out, > if > people criticize you for listening to groups such as these, remember that > they are making more money than artists that write their own music, it's > unfair but true. But at least they work for the music, not the fame. As > Keith > Richards would say, "Nobody starts off to play an instrument with the idea > of > making money, you learn the guitar because you have this burning desire." > These artists may not make as enough money as they should be making, but > are > still making music for their fans and themselves, and that's why they > aren't > criticized. So BSB and the like maybe write 4 songs from their new album, > big > deal. I'd like to see a whole album written by them, and then maybe they > would get respect. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > This whole totally "manfactured" band thing got started with the Monkees > (it goes back further of course, probably back to the beginning of time > even, since it's all about show biz anyway) who were a group designed > completely by the Hollwood production machine. They were just a bunch of > street hippies who answered an ad in the LA Times...the producers were > looking for a Madison Avenue ad agency statistical analysis type cross > section based on what music was selling the most...therfore, you get a > group that was part Beatles, part Byrds, part Beach Boys, part > "all-American boy". One cute one, one English one, one wise acre, one clean > cut etc. It was a formula designed by hype/spin doctors right out of the > gate. The Monkees couldn't even play instruments or sing, top writers were > hired to write all their material and a "band" of all studio-pro musicians > was hired to do the actual music (for example, Neil Diamond actually wrote > "I'm A Believer", one of the biggest hits...and the "band" probably had > people like Leon Russell in it...he had played keys with Jan&Dean on a lot > of their surf hits). The Monkees were actually trained to sing half-way > well and one of them even learned to play the drums a little, but as real > musicians they sucked big time. A tv show totally derived from Beatles > movie stylings was a big hit, and they even toured the country several > times (probably lip-synching to tapes...I wouldn't be surprised > anyway...like Milli Vanilli). In a classic Hollywood entertainment business > weasel lame-assed mismatch, Jimi Hendrix was put on tour with the Monkees > when he first came back from England and was getting recognition. > Hahaha...he lasted two dates and they took him off the tour. All those 13 > year old bubble-gummers just were'nt ready for a wild looking African king > At any rate, take that particular formula which was used to produce the Monkees and combine it with Menudo (where Ricky Martin came from) and you get the major manufacturing process for stuff like BSB and N'Sync and The Spice Girls and Brittney Spears. Menudo is a long running Disney-like group from Puerto Rico which allows no members over 15 years old. They cast for candidates like Disney did for Mousketeers, and have a waiting list of hundreds to replace any members who turn 16. To their credit, it is a requirement that they be damned good singers and most of them are highly trained in that regard. They, of course, must all be cute as hell. A rather amusing anecdote similar to the Hendrix/Monkees story involves two of the Spice Girls who were looking for something to do in NYC after they played Madison Square Garden. They were all high on their success and soooooo sure they would have their asses kissed wherever they went. They had an urge to rub elbows with some real musicians and underground types to sort of validate their status as viable "musical talent", so they went to a well known underground "goth" club in Manhattan. Heh, heh...it was "Click&Drag" night at the goth club (ie: internet freaks plus any other dark types who might be known to *ahem* "click and drag"...that is to say, S&M freaks, B&D fetishists, transvestites, etc.). The Spice Girls ran screaming from the place within minutes:-) All in all, a couple members of the Monkees as well as Brittney Spears et al are not to be distained as phoneys because they are actually really cool and hang out with a lot of hip insiders and real entertainment folk who know they are just doing a job like actors in a tv series...but they are definitely NOT to be confused with actual artists who labor for years for love of their art and suffer all manner of humiliating shit due to an unwillingness to compromise their standards and/or their vision...that is to say, artists like Poe. Groups like BSB and N'Sync are actually very talented, but they are maily just "performer" who act out somebody else's "script". They are a lot like the cast of "Friends", only in the music/dance/live production end of that huge congomerated piece of shit known as the "entertainment industry". ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V5 #318 ***********************************