From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V5 #317 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Sunday, December 3 2000 Volume 05 : Number 317 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Concept albums [Levi Chronister ] P.J. Harvey [Davey08@aol.com] I'm new [Sailor6233@aol.com] Re: P.J. Harvey [Levi Chronister ] Re: xeno ["Crazy Little" ] Re: radiohead [Gin*Atomic ] A small favor? ["Shawn Douglas" ] Re: Who should Poe Tour with??? my 2 cents [Rickyjoejr@aol.com] NPR:Cyberstalking ["sp00k@poe.org" ] HOL Binary/Hex ["Debian Linux" ] Haunted moments [Max Sadler ] Re: xeno - NPR obviously [Allan Grimm ] Re: xeno - NPR obviously ["Crazy Little" ] Re: Who should Poe Tour with??? my 2 cents ["crack head" ] House Of Leaves community at iUniverse [VR5SBloom@aol.com] NPR: Radiohead ["Red Halcyon" ] Re: xeno - NPR obviously [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: NPR: Small note on 10 things [Mrackin@aol.com] KPR: concept albums in general and in particular [Jennifer Ralston ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 00:39:28 -0600 From: Levi Chronister Subject: Re: Concept albums Actually, PJ Harvey hasn't really done a concept album to my knowledge. To Bring You My Love might qualify, but just on the border of the subject if at all. Dance Hall at Louse Point is also borderline, but more just into the "crazy, experimental" category, IMO. I think a concept album should have a very obvious idea that runs through every song, such as Haunted, Dark Side of the Moon or The Wall. Levi Red Halcyon wrote: > I have to say that there are plenty of concept albums released by female > artists of course Our Own Grand Lady has put out two such albums I'm sure > Tori has as well PJ Harvey definitely does and I'm certain there are tons > but the thing to note of course is that oh and I need to say that you forgot > M*tallica's Master of Puppets the female concept albums deal with infinitely > more intimate and personal and private than those by guy bands with possibly > the exception of PJ Harvey cos she just kicks serious bum because the scope > is more personal people tend to think it's "smaller" and "less important" > simply cos female concept albums aren't touted as "epic" and don't deal with > masculinized issues all of which of course is a load of phooey > > rambling always > Lee > "Do your dreams come true?" > "I haven't had a nice dream for years." > > >i had been pondering the existence of concept albums for a > >completely other reason and as a project, had gone and bought a lot of > >them: the who sell out, mothers of invention - 200 motels, genesis - > >trick of the tail, pink floyd - dark side of the moon, david bowie/ziggy > >stardust, beatles - sgt. pepper...all of which brought me to several > >conclusions (along with recollections of other concept albums like > >"kilroy was here" - styx and stuff like nine inch nails - downward > >spiral and radiohead - ok computer) about the concept of a concept > >album: > >1. boys do them > >2. usually they are either about > > a. the rise and fall of a rock star > > b. insanity > > c. depression/self destruction > > d. man's losing battle with technology > > f. a combination of the above > >3. when they succeed as listenable collections of songs, it is because > >the thread of the concept is either invisible or broken completely and > >rejoined later > >4. when they successfully keep to their conceptual guns all the way > >through, the songs usually suffer from sounding like they have been > >poked and prodded, pushed and pulled to fit into the storyline > > > >having arrived at those conclusions back in august, i heard samples of > >"haunted" about a week before it came out on one of the cd sellers > >online. that first click on track number one and the rolling thunder > >and ominous sound design that followed hinted at what i found a week > >later to be true: she broke all those rules. and that is why i love > >her so. (awwww...) > > _____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - -- "If I were a citizen of South Carolina, I'd be deeply ashamed. Now, what's this about a flag?" -- Irene Lewis, Actuary (The Onion) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 01:49:16 EST From: Davey08@aol.com Subject: P.J. Harvey Until I signed up for this list, I had never heard of this Artist, now that I have I actually even saw one of her music videos. I hear so much rave from you guys, I was wondering what are your favorite songs of hers, or what would you recommend? Dave Dave@poe.org "Dans la maison, l'obscuriti me consommera." House of Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski http://www.geocities.com/run_rom_run/houseofleaves.html "Ces mots vous effrayent-ils?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 02:03:43 EST From: Sailor6233@aol.com Subject: I'm new 1) Who you are? Maggie 2) Where you're from? Greer, SC 3) How old you are? 18 4) Where you first heard Poe? I heard Trigger Happy Jack on the radio in '96, and then bought her cd a week later. 5) What other musicians do you listen to? Tori Amos, Hole, Coal Chamber, Ozzy, Black Sabbath, Orgy, Human Waste Project, Garbage, The Cure, David Bowie, Queen, Janis Joplin, Fiona Apple, Loreena McKennitt, Rasputina 6) Any other interesting information you wish to share. I can't really think of anything right now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 01:09:23 -0600 From: Levi Chronister Subject: Re: P.J. Harvey Well, I think everything's great, but in terms of one cd, I would say get the new one: Stories from the City, Stories from the Sea. If you're looking for specific songs, go for "Rid of Me," "The Whore's Hustle and the Hustler's Whore," "To Bring You My Love," "Teclo," "The Wind," "The Garden," "The River," "You Said Something," "Yuri-G," "Man Size," and of course, her cover of "Highway 61 Revisited." That should give you a good start. Levi Davey08@aol.com wrote: > Until I signed up for this list, I had never heard of this Artist, now that I > have I actually even saw one of her music videos. I hear so much rave from > you guys, I was wondering what are your favorite songs of hers, or what would > you recommend? > > Dave > Dave@poe.org > > "Dans la maison, l'obscuriti me consommera." > House of > Leaves by Mark Z. Danielewski > http://www.geocities.com/run_rom_run/houseofleaves.html > > "Ces mots vous effrayent-ils?" - -- "If I were a citizen of South Carolina, I'd be deeply ashamed. Now, what's this about a flag?" -- Irene Lewis, Actuary (The Onion) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 23:19:28 -0800 From: "Crazy Little" Subject: Re: xeno ok, Xeno's lost all credibility in my book... *sigh* - gotta admit it was mildly amusing. A sort of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenarios regarding whether or not to post it. If she hadn't posted, then Xeno would get his way, but if she did post it, then a rumor begins about her possibly carrying genital warts. Em - don't let him get to you. - -Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: Emily Nisley To: Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:25 PM Subject: NPR: xeno > > hi all, > > xeno is being an ass yet again - i told him not to send me private > messages, and this is what i got in return....not even gonna dignify his > "warts" remark with a response. > > em > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Xeno55@aol.com To: enisley@hotmail.com Subject: Re: (no subject) > Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:24:22 EST In a message dated 12/1/2000 1:59:00 > AM Eastern Standard Time, enisley@hotmail.com writes: > > > do not write to me privately. i will post anything else you send me to > the entire list. > > really Emily? i don't think you will. listen, the reason i am writing to > you is to let you know that i talked to my friend (you know, the doctor) > about your problem and he said that you should consult a doctor > immediatly. he said, and i quote, "warts in that area of the body are > very dangerous and frightening to look at." love, Xeno p.s. why so > hostile, pet? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 00:26:12 -0800 From: Gin*Atomic Subject: Re: radiohead >Wow, I loved reading fellow Poe/RH obsession because my teeny-bopper-esque >devotion is most concentrated on the boys from Radiohead and the >magnificant Poe. Granted, I've only been a Poe obsessor for a couple of >months and liked Radiohead for years and years, but I would sell my soul >to see them together. Won't happen, but a lovely thought, nonetheless. Joanna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 02:41:18 -0600 From: "Shawn Douglas" Subject: A small favor? 'allo. I'm new to the list..and although not exactly tactfull, I have a favor to ask as my first posting. I've added Poe lyrics to my lyrics section just recently, but there's one line in a song I can't even understand. The song is: Terrible Thought: from 'Haunted' A terrible thought has moved into my mind ???...drunk on wine I 've listened to the first verse over and over again and can't get what she's saying in the second line, even by trying to judge by the connotation of the rest of the verse. HELP??? Thanks so much. I've enjoyed the new album greatly and think that the content is much better than most of the top 40 BS that has came out in the past few years. *smiles softly* - -Shawn lostraven@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~lostraven ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 04:00:12 EST From: Rickyjoejr@aol.com Subject: Re: Who should Poe Tour with??? my 2 cents <> I'm sorry but as much as I love Radiohead I can't go with this idea. Radiohead has vowed never to come to CO again which would put us out of two great performances. -Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 08:25:03 -0500 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: NPR:Cyberstalking Cyberstalking http://cyber.lp.findlaw.com/criminal/cyberstalk.html http://coverage.cnet.com/Content/Features/Dlife/Dark/ss01.html http://coverage.cnet.com/Content/Features/Dlife/Dark/index.html The Following Was Excerpted From: http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminology/cyberstalking/2.htm Cyberstalking, which is simply an extension of the physical form of stalking, is where the electronic mediums such as the Internet are used to pursue, harass or contact another in an unsolicited fashion. Most often, given the vast distances that the Internet spans, this behaviour will never manifest itself in the physical sense but this does not mean that the pursuit is any less distressing. There are a wide variety of means by which individuals may seek out and harass individuals even though they may not share the same geographic borders, and this may present a range of physical, emotional, and psychological consequences to the victim. In legal terms, the manifestation of this misconduct is most likely to be charged as per the statutes in place in the respective jurisdictions. In the United States, California was the first state to adopt stalking laws, most often identified as a result of the murder of actress Rebecca Schaeffer by Robert Bardo in 1989. Legislation was subsequently passed in 1990, and the nation's first anti-stalking law was passed (Zona, Palarea & Lane, 1998; Coleman, 1997; National Victim Centre, 1998b). New York enacted Penal Code 240.25 in 1992, which was amended in 1994 (National Victim Centre, 1998a). Irrespective of the jurisdiction, there are several key criteria for conduct to be considered stalking. Many states include a provision whereby the behaviour must occur on two or more occasions before the criteria are satisfied. In other states, a single occurrence is sufficient (Queensland is one such state where the frequency of conduct has since been amended). Several US states (Delaware, Wisconsin, and Oklahoma ) allow for the consideration of harsher penalties where repeat offences relate specifically to prior incidences of stalking (Cullen-Anderson, 1993). It is important to note that stalking, exactly like any other crime, behaviour, or clinical disorder exists on a continuum of severity. The stalking may be so subtle that the victim may not even know that it is happening, or the perpetrator may have a genuine belief that "if they would just get to know me, they would like me", with no malicious intent desired. Many cases of stalking do not even rise to extreme levels of violence or harassment (Meloy, 1998). The severity of any act must be assessed on an individual basis, and a careful assessment made as to the likelihood that any activity would pass beyond a non-criminal threshold. While the reader should not curtail on-line activities because of the threat posed by the Cyberstalker, a little bit of caution will help to keep the identity of the user as anonymous as possible. Should one become the target of unwanted attention, one should seek the help of authorities as soon as is possible, documenting all occurrences. sp00k etc ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 16:03:34 From: "Debian Linux" Subject: HOL Binary/Hex Someone said they could read binary, if you can then you can read hex because binary and hex are interchangeable, as a matter of fact, hex is just binary shorthand, as well as octal. hex numbers go from 0-9 and then after 9 A-F. so the range is 0-F. it is called hexadecimal because it takes a 6 digit binary string to form a hex number. imagine F as the 16th number including 0. so the binary 101101 would be broken into 101....101. 101 equates to 5, so in hex 101101 is 55. if the code is already in hex then you just pop open a hex editor and start copying the code then dump it into a binary file, in this case an AIF. FYI, if you care, which I doubt, :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 10:24:01 -0800 (PST) From: Max Sadler Subject: Haunted moments Hey all! Just thought I'd add in my few cents. I've been wanting to talk about this since before the album came out, but I wondered if it might ruin it for people who hadn't heard it yet. Get comfortable; this is gonna be a long one. :) Anyhow... As far as the whole "concept album" thing goes, very few of the songs seem to me to directly address the concept; they're about other things. Where I see the concept showing up, though, is more in the overall feeling of the songs. The album seems to start out with songs filled with anger, defiance, rebelliousness, coming from a wild animal that's daring you let it out of its cage. Then at a certain point the mood changes, I think with "Lemon Merangue" where she says: "Stop right there before I get bitter/There's got to be a better way..." Then the songs become pensive, subdued; almost as if that's the point where she finally experienced grief over losing her father, and what he really meant to her. This album sounds haunted through most of it. It's plagued so many different swirling sounds, voices, and samples that weave in and out of the songs, and in between the songs, almost like an army of memories, fears, and regrets, constantly taunting you and demanding attention. It isn't 'til "Amazed" that all the ghosts and voices seem to evaporate, and isn't 'til "If You Were Here" that you're finally left with the one presence that was truly haunting the album the whole time - her father. Who, incidentally, no longer appears menacing or threatening, but genuinely affectionate and loving. As far as songs go, my favorites are: "Haunted" - such a vast, expansive song, like an ocean of sound washing over you! I don't know why, but I find this song so uplifting; the rhythm and the melody just fill me with so much energy. Whenever I'm nervous or depressed, I sing this song to myself and almost always feel better. One of the most perfectly crafted songs I've ever heard. "5 1/2 Minute Hallway" - to me, this song sounds like it was recorded inside the House. This song seems to grow in size as it goes along, until it finally expands into infinity at the end. Kinda creepy. "Wild" - I just love the way the song goes outta control at the end, almost as if that's when the animal is let out of its cage. "Not a Virgin" - Brilliant lyrics! I crack up every time I hear it. Poe is so good at writing catchy, singable songs. It almost deceives you into thinking that her songs are just good superficial fun, and don't have so much wisdom and intelligence inside of them. My most precious Haunted moment is "If You Were Here". To me, this song gives all the rest of the album its value. This is the most "uncool" song I've ever heard. Let me follow that up with what I mean by "cool". When we say something is "cool", we seem to mean that it fits our standards of what is attractive, fashionable, pleasing, or enjoyable. When we're in public, we're always trying to be "cool", which is to say likeable and attractive to whichever group we choose to belong to. We're the opposite in our most private moments, when we're not focused on outward appearances, on being liked or accepted. We're not always gracefull, eloquent, or even attractive, when we're at our most raw - which is why we keep it private and only share it with the people we trust the most. I'm reminded of a line from the movie "Almost Famous" - "The greatest currency we have in this bankrupt world is what we share with each other when we're uncool." That's because it's the deepest, most real part of us; the precious heart of who we truly are, behind the glitsy facade we show the rest of the world. To me, that's why "If You Were Here" is such a beautiful and powerful song. It doesn't have witty lyrics, or any catchy beats and samples, the vocal performance is unpolished and technically flawed, notes break here and there. It sounds like an intimate exchange between two close people that would normally happen behind closed doors. I listen in on it, and almost feel embarassed and ashamed at violating their privacy and getting a hold of something that was only meant for the two of them. But I feel as if I've been let into the heart of the house, and been allowed to taste the essence of who she really is as a person, and the experience leaves me shaken for days. Listening to this album gets me to thinking about other things, too. About parents, what they mean to us, and the kind of impact they have on our lives. It's funny how so many little everyday things they did became such monumental memories in our tiny, limited lives. A day when they might have been stressed out from work and made an angry remark could leave a scar on our landscape forever. I often wonder if parents realize who every little thing they do leaves such a tremendous impact. We might remember a hypercritical father who trashed every endeavor we set upon; but sometimes I imagine that if that father was made aware of this, he would be astounded, and reply: "You're kidding! I thought I was just being helpful!" Because of that, the thought of the awesome role of being a parent, and developing another life, intimidates me immensely. I wonder if Poe's father ever felt that, or wondered if he was really cut out for that job. Maybe he stayed awake some nights wishing he could be handling it better. In the album, I was also struck by how, through the most of it, Poe is tough, wild, defiant, ready to tear apart the next unfortunate soul who thinks he can mess with her. But in the presence of her father all that bravado disappears, and she's little more than a fragile little girl. I imagine on some level we're always that way with our parents. They're the people who held us in the palms of their hands, and had a hand in building even the deepest, darkest, and most hidden hallways in our House. That's all I wanted to say. If you read all the way to this point, I commend you. :) Max Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 15:01:17 -0500 From: Allan Grimm Subject: Re: xeno - NPR obviously Chris, I have to disagree with you.... Anyone that's been on the list for any amount of time knows how antagonistic Xeno is. He gets off on this stuff, so he wins either way. The best thing to do with him is just to ignore him entirely. That's the only thing that really ticks him off. At least that's what I've observed anyway. Reaper Crazy Little wrote: > ok, Xeno's lost all credibility in my book... *sigh* - gotta admit it was mildly amusing. A sort of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenarios regarding whether or not to post it. If she hadn't posted, then Xeno would get his way, but if she did post it, then a rumor begins about her possibly carrying genital warts. Em - don't let him get to you. > > -Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Emily Nisley > To: > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:25 PM > Subject: NPR: xeno > > > > > hi all, > > > > xeno is being an ass yet again - i told him not to send me private > > messages, and this is what i got in return....not even gonna dignify his > > "warts" remark with a response. > > > > em > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > From: Xeno55@aol.com To: enisley@hotmail.com Subject: Re: (no subject) > > Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:24:22 EST In a message dated 12/1/2000 1:59:00 > > AM Eastern Standard Time, enisley@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > do not write to me privately. i will post anything else you send me to > > the entire list. > > > > really Emily? i don't think you will. listen, the reason i am writing to > > you is to let you know that i talked to my friend (you know, the doctor) > > about your problem and he said that you should consult a doctor > > immediatly. he said, and i quote, "warts in that area of the body are > > very dangerous and frightening to look at." love, Xeno p.s. why so > > hostile, pet? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 13:10:24 -0800 From: "Crazy Little" Subject: Re: xeno - NPR obviously Hence my first statement, that Xeno has not credibility to me anymore. I'm not supporting him - just stating my point of view. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Grimm To: Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 12:01 PM Subject: Re: xeno - NPR obviously > > Chris, > > I have to disagree with you.... Anyone that's been on the list for any amount of time knows how antagonistic Xeno is. He gets off on this stuff, so he wins either way. The best thing to do with him is just to ignore him entirely. That's the only thing that really ticks him off. At least that's what I've observed anyway. > > Reaper > > Crazy Little wrote: > > > ok, Xeno's lost all credibility in my book... *sigh* - gotta admit it was mildly amusing. A sort of "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenarios regarding whether or not to post it. If she hadn't posted, then Xeno would get his way, but if she did post it, then a rumor begins about her possibly carrying genital warts. Em - don't let him get to you. > > > > -Chris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Emily Nisley > > To: > > Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:25 PM > > Subject: NPR: xeno > > > > > > > > hi all, > > > > > > xeno is being an ass yet again - i told him not to send me private > > > messages, and this is what i got in return....not even gonna dignify his > > > "warts" remark with a response. > > > > > > em > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > From: Xeno55@aol.com To: enisley@hotmail.com Subject: Re: (no subject) > > > Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:24:22 EST In a message dated 12/1/2000 1:59:00 > > > AM Eastern Standard Time, enisley@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > do not write to me privately. i will post anything else you send me to > > > the entire list. > > > > > > really Emily? i don't think you will. listen, the reason i am writing to > > > you is to let you know that i talked to my friend (you know, the doctor) > > > about your problem and he said that you should consult a doctor > > > immediatly. he said, and i quote, "warts in that area of the body are > > > very dangerous and frightening to look at." love, Xeno p.s. why so > > > hostile, pet? > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 16:42:34 -0500 From: "crack head" Subject: Re: Who should Poe Tour with??? my 2 cents Whoever wrote and mentioned The Gathering as touring with Poe... Well... to whomever wrote that, thank you for introducing me to this band!!!! I just went to their webpage (thanks to your email) and downloaded Saturnine, and it is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard! It takes a lot anymore for music to move me, but this definitely has... Thanks for mentioning them!!! Erin _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 14:11:31 -0800 From: "Red Halcyon" Subject: NPR: PJ Harvey To my disappointment dear Polly has actually lost some of her oopmph that she used to bring me. My fault entirely, not hers (I'm in a period where I am mostly listening to electronic music). But ask me this question a few months ago, I'd say, "My favorite song is definitely 'The Dancer' from _To Bring You My Love_, which is also my fave Polly album so that all the songs are winners, and also a notable mention would go to 'Plants and Rags' on her first album, _Dry_. I also enjoy _Is This Desire?_, especially the first song on there, 'Angelene.' It's a very pretty song. I feel the tug of gravity on my eyes quite often." As a matter of fact, I can still have that reaction to 'Angelene' and I know now that I'm misspelling it. And _Rid of Me_, typically regarded as her masterpiece, I've to this date never been able to access. Again, my own fault. On the subject of _Dance Hall..._ I don't think at all of it as a proper album, what with my understanding of it being a compilation a live collaboration. Anyhow, I've never seen a PJ video, so I guess Dave, count yerself blessed. :~ rambling always and tired of hell of that silly stream-of-consciousness style posting style Lee "Do your dreams come true?" "I haven't had a nice dream for years." _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 17:29:37 EST From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: House Of Leaves community at iUniverse Hi all, Erik and I were just gonna let this go, because nobody was joining...but some new people wandered in, so we're probably off probation ;) Anyway, there is a House Of Leaves community already available, and fairly empty. We would love to see it revived! There is a message board and some people looking for a good chat about the book. You will have to make an account with iUniverse to join the community. http://communities.iuniverse.com/bin/circle.asp?circleid=1336 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 14:30:54 -0800 From: "Red Halcyon" Subject: NPR: Radiohead I have to be honest I say right out that I hate Radiohead a phenomenon that I liken to my feeling towards "Saving Private Ryan" in regards to "Thin Red Line" "SPR" unduly received all the attention while what I thought was the superior "TRL" was snubbed and I resent this phenomenon which in the case of OKC the analogue to which I champion is the wild and beautifully ungainly Portishead|Portishead album every critic became the darling to Rhead while the banshees and jazzmasters and turntable fiends in |P| took a less elevated position and I'll always stand by my |P| Radiohead make good musics though rambling always Lee "Do your dreams come true?" "I haven't had a nice dream for years." _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 18:03:06 EST From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: xeno - NPR obviously In a message dated 12/2/00 3:07:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, vze23tdy@mail.verizon.net writes: > Chris, > > I have to disagree with you.... Anyone that's been on the list for any > amount of time knows how antagonistic Xeno is. He gets off on this stuff, > so he wins either way. The best thing to do with him is just to ignore him > entirely. That's the only thing that really ticks him off. At least that's > what I've observed anyway. > > Reaper > He gets off on being ticked off too, so there is really no way to win against Xeno...mwahahahaha. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 18:19:01 EST From: Mrackin@aol.com Subject: Re: NPR: Small note on 10 things I noticed it too..I was soo happy when I saw it. I yelled to my sister to come in and look at it. She likes POE too. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 20:03:36 -0500 From: Jennifer Ralston Subject: KPR: concept albums in general and in particular i don't think i was confusing themed albums with story-line albums. i think that the term "concept album" applies to both sub-categories and i do not delineate further which category any of those albums i listed would fall under. but under those definitions i agree that "haunted" is more of a theme album though the fact that the songs are interconnected by those design bridges would tend to make one listen to it as if it was a linear statement, thus a story. i didn't forget to mention any other albums, i just felt the "..." would cover the notion that there are more of them than what i mentioned. i don't consider "hello" to be a concept album, if that is the second album that was referred to. if that's what you meant, what did you consider to be the concept? if not, which material is missing from my poe vocabulary? i should have said that "usually boys do them" but then i wouldn't get to say that poe broke the rules :) but seriously, the main female artist that i overlooked when i was writing my original post was kate bush. i think a lot of the "smaller concept" concept albums that artists put out which get lost in the shuffle might be because well, a lot of times i don't think of an album as a concept album if all the songs are based on a similar theme. i know that sounds like i'm negating myself, but i don't know how to say it exactly. it's like, look at an album like anything by whitesnake say, and 95% of the material is about screwing. i wouldn't consider that to be a concept album--just a particular topic that david coverdale seems a little obsessive about talking out on tape. anyway, you get the picture. so an artist like trent reznor gets dumped by his girlfriend and writes "pretty hate machine"--all the songs bitter or sad or angry about this one person...music inspired by the dumping of trent reznor...but somehow to me that doesn't make it a concept album whereas "downward spiral"--music inspired by the depression and near self-destruction of trent reznor--is a concept album. maybe it's because the audience doesn't need to know what the impetus of "pretty hate machine" was to get the picture. or they don't have to get the big picture neccessarily (though they'd be blind not to notice) that the artist seems to have a chip on his shoulder about relationships or one in particular because each song is a finished thing within itself as well as an element of the overall. but "downward spiral" or even more "the fragile" seem more intentionally designed to present the bigger picture-the concept and without an understanding of that unifying theme (at least for me as a listener) i think the impact of any one of those songs standing alone would be lessened. and i feel that way about "haunted" as well. there are plenty of great tracks and i understand the need for singles to be picked and videos to be produced, but seeing one of those tracks standing out there by itself all naked and everything and then comparing it to the way it fits into the puzzle of the album will be a discernable difference. ok. that's all i had to say about that. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 18:35:27 -0800 From: "Crazy Little" Subject: KPR: Angry Psychos ward I'm on the list, but I lost the password to the psycho ward when I lost all of my old email... can somebody send it to me? ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V5 #317 ***********************************