From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V5 #316 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Saturday, December 2 2000 Volume 05 : Number 316 Today's Subjects: ----------------- haunted moments [raymond lew ] P(*)E on tour ["Daniel Sharps" ] touring with ???... ["J.R. Jobe" ] the carpet's color, the sofa's color, [Thierry Pottier ] Re: touring with ???... [KoriG@aol.com] Nina Gordon Sarah Connection ["Brian Gannon" ] Re: the carpet's color, the sofa's color, ["Red Halcyon" ] Re: my picks... [LiveThruThisVow@aol.com] POE Interview/chat Dec 11 [Robby Black ] Concept albums ["Red Halcyon" ] Re: Who should Poe Tour with??? my 2 cents [PoeKittie@aol.com] Haunted review in paper ["Red Halcyon" ] Re: POE Interview/chat Dec 11 *Postponed* [Robby Black ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:53:31 -0800 (PST) From: raymond lew Subject: haunted moments my selections for favorite haunted moments: 1)"haunted" - lead in to the interlude..."and i will always miss you..." 2)"terrible thought" - 1:00 mark..."i don't care what you've done"...i just like the change there ...ray west coast angry psychos >> www.egroups/group/wcap ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 02:10:20 -0500 From: "Daniel Sharps" Subject: P(*)E on tour I think P(*)E should open for (or headline for, depending on their popularity in the states) a scandinavian band by the name of The Gathering...an "atmospheric-metal" band (now don't read metal and think all kinds of bad things about it) they have a female vocalist Anneke van Giersbergen who has a phenominal voice, I mean it's just beautiful...and their stuff can be somewhat ambient-ish at times, but packs a really good punch and whatnot...go check them out if you have time (http://www.gathering.nl) I think they would go incredibly well together for a show...you'd just have to kick them around and get them to come state-side (since they're fighting to keep a club from being closed in their home town ATM and working on getting up funds for a tour and whatnot)...who knows...I doubt it'd ever happen either way ;) btw...Garbage was a good call too... ;) - Daniel. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Are we taking the helicopter?" - Dee Dee "No, we need to be in cognito. We are taking the flying sombrero." - Dexter =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:50:54 -0800 (PST) From: "J.R. Jobe" Subject: touring with ???... - ---Hello again Psychos, - ---And an extra special hello hello to my fellow SOAPs, (Check out the quote!) - ---After a few days of Yahoo! screwing me out of getting to check my mail I am finally back! - ---I had no idea Nina Gordan left Veruca Salt! I might have to check out her solo album. I used to like Veruca Salt too! Are they still together as a band? - ---My personal choices for what bands Poe should tour with are as follows: NIN (this would be my heaven), A Perfect Circle/Tool (A Perfect Tour), Garbage and/or Guano Apes (because it would rock). I guess the only problem with my list is that I don't think any of these bands are touring right now! - ---Yeah I know I left out the techno artists, but hey, I want to go to a rock concert, not a rave. Now don't get me wrong I love electronic/techno music and going to clubs, but when I think of a concert I think of bands up on stage playing their music. But then again, I have seen footage of Moby in concert and it looked pretty cool. None the less, I'm sticking to my choices. - ---Jobe - ---Yeah, with enough SOAP, we could blow up just about anything.-Fight Club Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 06:16:11 -0500 (EST) From: Thierry Pottier Subject: the carpet's color, the sofa's color, Hi Jezzie. Hi there, Gertrude. Am I interrupting something? "Oh! Non, non, non,non, on ne faisait que discuter de la couleur du tapis et du sofa." (Oh! No, no, no, no, we were only talking about the color of the carpet and of the sofa.) These are the french lyrics part in P(*)E's "A rose is a rose". You see: it's so great to have a french ap on the list. He's ready to explain you things you never wondered about. C.U. Thierry ______________________________________________________ Bonte aux lettres - Caramail - http://www.caramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 08:14:06 -0500 From: Jennifer Ralston Subject: fav haunted moments everyone else pretty much mentioned a lot of mine. but in terms of lyrics, here are a few: "a terrible thought can have a terribly long career. what a terrible thought." "don't mess with a little girl's dream cause she's liable to grow up mean." in the "other" category (other than lyrics, that is): yeah, the little poe doing her "i won't cry" thing the "hello" sample in "wild" father's samples in "control"--"power corrupts/no/that's not the way to do it" but absolutely the finest seconds of my "haunted" career were the first ones. i had been pondering the existence of concept albums for a completely other reason and as a project, had gone and bought a lot of them: the who sell out, mothers of invention - 200 motels, genesis - trick of the tail, pink floyd - dark side of the moon, david bowie/ziggy stardust, beatles - sgt. pepper...all of which brought me to several conclusions (along with recollections of other concept albums like "kilroy was here" - styx and stuff like nine inch nails - downward spiral and radiohead - ok computer) about the concept of a concept album: 1. boys do them 2. usually they are either about a. the rise and fall of a rock star b. insanity c. depression/self destruction d. man's losing battle with technology f. a combination of the above 3. when they succeed as listenable collections of songs, it is because the thread of the concept is either invisible or broken completely and rejoined later 4. when they successfully keep to their conceptual guns all the way through, the songs usually suffer from sounding like they have been poked and prodded, pushed and pulled to fit into the storyline having arrived at those conclusions back in august, i heard samples of "haunted" about a week before it came out on one of the cd sellers online. that first click on track number one and the rolling thunder and ominous sound design that followed hinted at what i found a week later to be true: she broke all those rules. and that is why i love her so. (awwww...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:42:13 EST From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: touring with ???... In a message dated 12/1/00 4:11:15 AM, commissioner_jobe@yahoo.com writes: << -Yeah I know I left out the techno artists, but hey, I want to go to a rock concert, not a rave. Now don't get me wrong I love electronic/techno music and going to clubs, but when I think of a concert I think of bands up on stage playing their music. But then again, I have seen footage of Moby in concert and it looked pretty cool. None the less, I'm sticking to my choices. - ---Jobe >> AMEN. I'm not invalidating techno/dance/trance/whatever, (even though 95% of the time it is just not my cup of tea,) But if I go to see a band, I want to see, well, A BAND. I like to sit up front... not because that's "the cool place to be", but because I like to see the damn instruments actually being played, chord changes, methodology... whatever. Without, you know how the old saying goes -- I would just stay home and listen to the CD. Poe's shows will be great because she WILL have a band as well as a solid deejay who is the last of a dying breed that still knows the art of the wheels of steel. (And if the boy rekindles my "thang" for deejays, I'm gonna have to kill him. lol) Frankly, I can think of a dozen Atlantic artists I'd like to see her tour with, but since they may be a distinct possibility, I do not care to jinx such options by mentioning them. (I have this INCREDIBLE knack for that.) KORi (.... the morning after the "My VH1 Awards", still asking herself, "Why did I sit thru that crap.... TWICE... last night??") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:19:12 -0800 From: "Brian Gannon" Subject: Nina Gordon Sarah Connection No quotes..(Cuz i'm on digest... but here we go) I really don't think tonight was a copy of building a mystery... but what do i know.. Anyway.. the rest of Nina's album completely rocks.. she even goes into the vs "scream" voice a few times too.... (for no other better way to describe it).. But that would defiantely be a tour, wouldn't it.. hehe ChiefArcher BEWARE! So-AP.COM IS COMING! __________________________________________________ FREE voicemail, email, and fax...all in one place. Sign Up Now! http://www.onebox.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 08:10:40 -0800 From: "Red Halcyon" Subject: Re: the carpet's color, the sofa's color, thank you SO much Thierry from the first time I heard that song I have always wondered what Jezzie was saying merci beaucoup rambling always Lee "Do your dreams come true?" "I haven't had a nice dream for years." >Hi Jezzie. Hi there, Gertrude. >Am I interrupting something? >"Oh! Non, non, non,non, >on ne faisait que discuter de la couleur du tapis et du >sofa." > >(Oh! No, no, no, no, >we were only talking about the color of the carpet and of >the sofa.) > >These are the french lyrics part in P(*)E's "A rose is a >rose". > >You see: it's so great to have a french ap on the list. >He's ready to explain you things you never wondered about. _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:09:07 -0800 (PST) From: PussyCat Moore Subject: Re: What's your favorite Haunted moment? > Subject: What's your favorite Haunted moment? ok, so this is my first post and i'm hoping that it works out ok. i've never really been on a list like this, and i'm not sure i'm doing this right. anyways-- my favorite moment is the last phone call when her mom picks up and she says "mom?". her voice is such a mixture of things; sad, scared, childish, but mostly hopeful. i know the album is supposed to be about her relationship with her father, but there's so much about her mother also. just the way she says it and how it immediately breaks into amazed always makes me cry. i always thought that amazed was her singing to her mom. don't know if i'm right, but i'd like to think that anyways. - -heather- Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:09:43 -0500 From: Brian Kallenbach Subject: Re: fav haunted moments > 1. boys do them > 2. usually they are either about > a. the rise and fall of a rock star > b. insanity > c. depression/self destruction > d. man's losing battle with technology > f. a combination of the above > 3. when they succeed as listenable collections of songs, it is because > the thread of the concept is either invisible or broken completely and > rejoined later > 4. when they successfully keep to their conceptual guns all the way > through, the songs usually suffer from sounding like they have been > poked and prodded, pushed and pulled to fit into the storyline > > having arrived at those conclusions back in august, i heard samples of > "haunted" about a week before it came out on one of the cd sellers > online. that first click on track number one and the rolling thunder > and ominous sound design that followed hinted at what i found a week > later to be true: she broke all those rules. and that is why i love > her so. (awwww...) I think you're confusing a themed album with a storylined album. Albums which have themes tend to have songs which fit the selected theme, but don't present any real, definable order. A perfect example of this is The Downward Spiral, which, like all of Reznor's work, has a definite feel of depressive madness, while mixing in a ton of technological metaphors. However, there's no real order to the songs, and they don't tell a specific story. An album with a storyline works a little bit differently. To continue on with the Nine Inch Nails reference, The Fragile had a bit of a storyline, though it may be hard to detect unless you listen from the first song on the Left disc to the last song on the Right disc. While the theme of the album is pretty much standard Nine Inch Nails fare, you get a greater sense of his life out of the album than before, and the album carries out a completely different feel than his previous works. The changes from loud, angry tones to more mellow, gentle works are very gradual, creating a piece which can, effectively, start you in one mood, and change it nearing the end. Haunted is very similar to both, and I'd be loathe to actually attempt to put it into either category. It has a very solid theme, but the storyline, at least to me, is a little forced. Weaving in and out of the phone calls, memories, and other things is, indeed, an effective method of introducing the emotions she's attempting to convey, at times it seemed a little choppy with the music, as though, at times, the storyline superceded the music. A perfect example of this is at the end of Haunted, where it goes from a somewhat upbeat, quick tempo to instantaneously haunting, deep tones, and the girl speaking. BTW, as for the favorite moment, I haven't really had one yet. My favorite Hello moment came when I heard Fly Away shortly after breaking up with a girlfriend. The combination of real emotion, and the realization of the true message in the song made of a hell of a moving rendition. At this point with Haunted, I'm pretty much just in love with the whole album...:P - -- Brian Kallenbach E-mail: sasori@home.com [O] darkarchon@azraelproductions.com Undernet: Sasori [O] Chatnet: Angelfire AIM: Kindralas [O] ICQ: 21103806 http://members.home.net/sasori/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:13:36 EST From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: my picks... 5&1/2 Minute Hallway... the WHOLE song is completely awesome and the end is kinda -trippy- and whoever said that it was Beatle-esque I TOTALLY see where you're coming from. I also dig Exploration B, but the whole cd in itself is awesome. Oh yeah, and the ending is awesome it give me chills... "It's ok you can go now". ~*~ Fade, made the fade, passion's overrated anyway~ Massive Attack ~*~ Grow up and be a man, drop dead right where I stand~ Hole ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:23:59 -0500 From: Robby Black Subject: POE Interview/chat Dec 11 From the Sound Break People.... - --- She'll be in our Soundbreak studios on December 11th @ 3PM ( pacific) and everyone is welcome to tune in and watch it all take place. Fans can come in and chat with each other and watch at the same time. Here's a direct link for more info: http://www.soundbreak.com/events/index.php3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 16:23:58 -0800 From: "Red Halcyon" Subject: Concept albums I have to say that there are plenty of concept albums released by female artists of course Our Own Grand Lady has put out two such albums I'm sure Tori has as well PJ Harvey definitely does and I'm certain there are tons but the thing to note of course is that oh and I need to say that you forgot M*tallica's Master of Puppets the female concept albums deal with infinitely more intimate and personal and private than those by guy bands with possibly the exception of PJ Harvey cos she just kicks serious bum because the scope is more personal people tend to think it's "smaller" and "less important" simply cos female concept albums aren't touted as "epic" and don't deal with masculinized issues all of which of course is a load of phooey rambling always Lee "Do your dreams come true?" "I haven't had a nice dream for years." >i had been pondering the existence of concept albums for a >completely other reason and as a project, had gone and bought a lot of >them: the who sell out, mothers of invention - 200 motels, genesis - >trick of the tail, pink floyd - dark side of the moon, david bowie/ziggy >stardust, beatles - sgt. pepper...all of which brought me to several >conclusions (along with recollections of other concept albums like >"kilroy was here" - styx and stuff like nine inch nails - downward >spiral and radiohead - ok computer) about the concept of a concept >album: >1. boys do them >2. usually they are either about > a. the rise and fall of a rock star > b. insanity > c. depression/self destruction > d. man's losing battle with technology > f. a combination of the above >3. when they succeed as listenable collections of songs, it is because >the thread of the concept is either invisible or broken completely and >rejoined later >4. when they successfully keep to their conceptual guns all the way >through, the songs usually suffer from sounding like they have been >poked and prodded, pushed and pulled to fit into the storyline > >having arrived at those conclusions back in august, i heard samples of >"haunted" about a week before it came out on one of the cd sellers >online. that first click on track number one and the rolling thunder >and ominous sound design that followed hinted at what i found a week >later to be true: she broke all those rules. and that is why i love >her so. (awwww...) _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:39:16 EST From: PoeKittie@aol.com Subject: Re: Who should Poe Tour with??? my 2 cents << The best exposure tour POE could do is to open for Radiohead when their tour starts in the new year. That's my 2 cents. dubious >> {And 'm pretty sure she could not enjoy touring with any other act more at this time than Radiohead. She LUVS their new album. Maybe we should start a campaign to encourage Radiohead (and their fans) to push for this. I think I'll look into some stuff. (::::::lightbulb over head blinking::::::) = ) } I think Poe & Radiohead should go on tour together. that would be the best concert! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:17:51 -0800 From: "Red Halcyon" Subject: Haunted review in paper just ran across this review today in the SJ Mercury paper usually their reviews aren't any good at all an otherwise excellent paper but their own music columnists are dummies and they always get their reviews from other papers which usually aren't very good either but anyway this review was good although its opinion on Radiohead and my dear Polly Harvey are not so good: Five years after her "Hello," an intelligent mix of droll relationship songs, Poe returs with "Haunted," an album with more depth than recent releases by U2, Radiohead, PJ Harvey and the Wallflowers. Poe seems to have made "Haunted" for herself, without regard to its accessibility, though anyone who has unresolved issues with a deceased loved one will be able to relate. Poe's father died in 1993, and a few years later she discovered a variety of tapes he had made. She uses snippets of those tapes with fascinating results on "Haunted," making his words markers for her painful journey. Preseting herself as the sensitive, over-looked daughter of an intimidating man, Ppoe works through frustrations, fears, regreats -- all the while reaching out for an elusive mother via lonely answering-machine messages. Poe sings with precision while surrounded by think layers of electronic beats, vibrating bass, jarring guitars and spooky sound effects. On the cinematically dense title track, she vows, "I'm going to gather up the splinters build a casket for my fears." Then, using a clean, Beatles-like melody, she swims against the electric churn of "5 & 1/2 Minute Hallway." Most striking of all is "Wild," a nine-minute aural workout in which the singer literally seems to communicate witht he dead. Although this is serious business, the singer's trademark sense of humar surfaces on "Not a Virgin" and "Lemon Meringue." rambling always and in absolutely no mood to write a paper on Pynchon's "Gravity's Rainbow" Lee "Do your dreams come true?" "I haven't had a nice dream for years." _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 00:15:43 -0500 From: Robby Black Subject: Re: POE Interview/chat Dec 11 *Postponed* This has been Postponed...I will let you know when the make up date is when i get it... - -Robby At 05:23 PM 12/1/00 -0500, Robby Black wrote: > >>From the Sound Break People.... >--- >She'll be in our Soundbreak studios on December 11th @ >3PM ( pacific) and everyone is welcome to tune in and watch it all take >place. Fans can come in and chat with each other and watch at the same >time. Here's a direct link for more info: > >http://www.soundbreak.com/events/index.php3 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:30:35 EST From: Voodoo1237@aol.com Subject: Re: Who should Poe Tour with??? my 2 cents I wrote the board last but i dont think it came through. PJ Harvey and Radiohead are rumored to begin co-headlining a tour beginning sometime in 2001. Personally I am still down with Poe and BT, the reason being that if she toured with Radiohead she would more than likely be opening for Radiohead and the tickets might be a little higher because they are a bigger act........then again I dont really like Radiohead and that is the real reason I dont want her to tour with them, sorry for the bullshit, I will come clean I dont really like Radiohead, toms voice, although beautiful, gives me a headache after a while/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:43:26 EST From: Trueluhv2000@aol.com Subject: Re: Who should Poe Tour with??? my 2 cents ok, everyone has been taling about who poe should tour with and i have been thinking and thinking...and tonight i went to the ULTIMATE concert. it was a benefit for hunger concert, so it was kinda small but i had seen her before when she opened for Savage Garden a few years ago..she does nothing but please her fans and entertain and makes it soo fun. oh i guess i should tell you who im takling about. Her name is Billy Myers..Most POEple only know "Kiss The Rain"..but she has many great songs..and id say them two would be soo much fun!!! thats all :) love you all Carri psychogrl@poe.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 00:56:14 EST From: Evo1777@aol.com Subject: radiohead ok, ive already stated this... i absolutely loooove radiohead, and i absolutely loooooove poe, so it would be incredible to see them together. i just do not think that my system could take it. i would spontaneously combust or something. i guess that would be kinda cool for everyone else, but it would suck for me. i suppose that after seeing a concert of that magnitude though, there would really be nothing to look forward to. all else would pale in comparison to the majesty of such an event. ok. im ready. bring on radiohead and poe! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 01:10:33 -0500 From: "Scott Harkey" Subject: RE: Who should Poe Tour with??? my 2 cents Although I think it would be awesome for Poe to tour with BT, I don't see that as a possibility since he just gone done with the Jensenergy tour with Hooverphonic. Plus, I think that would be a weird show, both are great artist, but BT is all dance/techno music, and Poe sounds best with a full band. But hey, that's just my opinion Simple www.silentuproar.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org [mailto:owner-angry-psychos@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Voodoo1237@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 12:31 AM To: PoeKittie@aol.com Cc: angry-psychos@smoe.org Subject: Re: Who should Poe Tour with??? my 2 cents I wrote the board last but i dont think it came through. PJ Harvey and Radiohead are rumored to begin co-headlining a tour beginning sometime in 2001. Personally I am still down with Poe and BT, the reason being that if she toured with Radiohead she would more than likely be opening for Radiohead and the tickets might be a little higher because they are a bigger act........then again I dont really like Radiohead and that is the real reason I dont want her to tour with them, sorry for the bullshit, I will come clean I dont really like Radiohead, toms voice, although beautiful, gives me a headache after a while/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 01:25:42 -0500 From: "Emily Nisley" Subject: NPR: xeno hi all, xeno is being an ass yet again - i told him not to send me private messages, and this is what i got in return....not even gonna dignify his "warts" remark with a response. em - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Xeno55@aol.com To: enisley@hotmail.com Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:24:22 EST In a message dated 12/1/2000 1:59:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, enisley@hotmail.com writes: > do not write to me privately. i will post anything else you send me to the entire list. really Emily? i don't think you will. listen, the reason i am writing to you is to let you know that i talked to my friend (you know, the doctor) about your problem and he said that you should consult a doctor immediatly. he said, and i quote, "warts in that area of the body are very dangerous and frightening to look at." love, Xeno p.s. why so hostile, pet? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get more from the Web. 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