From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V5 #249 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Monday, October 2 2000 Volume 05 : Number 249 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NPR: Stop whining about your life to the list [LiLBLondeHairGrL@aol.com] Fwd: NPR: Stop whining about your life to the list [KoriG@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:47:57 EDT From: LiLBLondeHairGrL@aol.com Subject: NPR: Stop whining about your life to the list We all have problems quit trying to get sympathy and stop the damn whining. Get a theropist if you want someone to listen to your overwhelming troubles. The only response you'll get from me is suck it up because we all have problems and we all think we're worse off than everyone else. This post is directed to all the people who have been whining on this list. get over it please ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:11:28 EDT From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Fwd: NPR: Stop whining about your life to the list - --part1_5c.15509e7.2708f470_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_5c.15509e7.2708f470_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: KoriG@aol.com Full-name: KoriG Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 16:10:17 EDT Subject: Re: NPR: Stop whining about your life to the list To: LiLBLondeHairGrL@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 In a message dated 10/1/00 1:53:33 PM, LiLBLondeHairGrL@aol.com writes: << We all have problems quit trying to get sympathy and stop the damn whining. Get a theropist if you want someone to listen to your overwhelming troubles. The only response you'll get from me is suck it up because we all have problems and we all think we're worse off than everyone else. This post is directed to all the people who have been whining on this list. get over it please >> While I support the taking of issues such as this to private discussion and not the list, LiLBLonde's attitude truly distresses me. Isn't it painful to carry such a chip on your shoulder all the time? No one has claimed to be perfect around here. And likewise, no one has claimed to live the most horrible life and begged for sympathy for it. Some of us have simply stated the status of our lives, good or bad, and how such aspects affect us and mold us as people. I do not look for sympathy when I inform people online that I am in a wheelchair. It's simply a detail about me, just as simple as my hair color or sex. (Because "Kori" is a unisex name, I often have to clarify this detail for people.) I do not expect people feel sorry for me because of my situation. In fact, I get a bit offended by some people when I do receive such a reaction. As if I deserve any more concern or care just because of my handicap. People are people. Whether you're rich or poor, in perfect health or on your deathbed, people shoud only be treated as well as they have treated others. You only get what you give, and that is how it should be. While we do not expect sympathy in telling of our tales, we do hope to evoke at least humane level of empathy. Having a heart and caring about people does not make us whiny, sniveling brats. I'm so sorry that you, LiL, find it so offensive that people on this list actually care about each other and do give a damn about each other's lives and will express as much on the list. If one finds this offensive, I don't think a discussion list is the place for one to be. People are going to interact and communicate here, and if you are bothered by hearing their woes as well as their triumphs, then just keep taht to yourself. Now, I'm not saying your input here is unwanted. That notion is ridiculous -- all are welcome, of course -- it's just that if you don't like what a group is discussing, then ignore that discussion. Don't bark at people for not altering their actions in a way to suit you. Not everything is going to suit you. And as for your constant accusations that people shouldn't get upset by one's heartless comments, referrals, slurs, etc. towards another person, because they themselves aren't perfect -- that is ludicrous. You make it sound like people are not redeemable, that they cannot see errors they have made in their past and correct their wrongs and further encourage positive actions from others. Sure, we have all, at one point or another, on some level, made a prejudicial comment or had a prejudicial thought, that doesn't make us oge rs for life. We can redeem ourselves and encourage and expect others to be humane and decent. LiL, you sound very defensive to me. You seem to be trying to throw a counterpunch when no one has hit you in the first place. You're chastizing of people's reaction to your crass behavior with a vehemance that was not present in the comments made towards you. It seems as if you are trying to defend yourself because you yourself see what was wrong in your actions, and instead of apologizing or atoining for your actions, you simply imply that it is everyone else's problem, not yours. It seems as if your harshness is fueled by guilt, not conviction. But, of course, I could be wrong here. But frankly, I don't think my therapist would see it that way. <> Who has whined? We've simply stated who we are, some of the things we have gone thru, good and bad. If you only want to hear about the sunny days in people's lives, then you really don't relate to people on any foundational level. And I truly feel sorry for you for this reason. OK, in an effort to make my virtual ESSAY here somewhat Poe-related, I just really find it sad that there are people on this list who feel as you do, which is SO contradictory to Poe herself. I can tell you from personal experience that Poe is an extremely compationate and giving person, and she is not this way for personal gain, (unless that "gain" can be measured in the admiration she receives from fans who see her value as an artist and a person.) And though I cannot speak for her, I think it is fair to assume she expects the same from other people. So, frankly, to carry on like this on HER list is someahat of an offense to her. She deserves better. I hope you take at least part of this message to heart. I do not mean to imply you are a bad person, LiL -- just a bit jaded and skewed. I hope you can at the very least respect the feelings of myself and others on the list, even if you do not share them. .... and that's alll I have to say about that.... 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