From: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org (angry-psychos-digest) To: angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Subject: angry-psychos-digest V5 #243 Reply-To: angry-psychos@smoe.org Sender: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-angry-psychos-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "angry-psychos-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. angry-psychos-digest Tuesday, September 26 2000 Volume 05 : Number 243 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: sure you need to know about WBAR. [VR5SBloom@aol.com] cool e-mail from a non-AP Poe person... [KrodKnid@aol.com] PR: This is what I sent to Rolling Stone [Tinksweedie737@aol.com] My response to Rolling Stone [SSpadowsky@netscape.net] Review of Poe's "Haunted" (RS 851) [CathyS ] Re: [Re: My response to Rolling Stone] [SSpadowsky@netscape.net] Re: [Review of Poes Haunted (RS 851)] [SSpadowsky@netscape.net] NPR:BlondeHairGrl Chronicles [AT ] Re: My response to Rolling Stone [Adam Fontana ] Re: My response to Rolling Stone ["Red Halcyon" ] Fwd: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: My response to Rolling Stone [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) [LiveThruThisVow@a] Re: NPR:BlondeHairGrl Chronicles [Phidias ] Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) [KrodKnid@aol.com] Re: [Review of Poes Haunted (RS 851)] [Phidias ] Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) [Trueluhv2000@aol.] Re: My response to Rolling Stone [KoriG@aol.com] Re: My response to Rolling Stone [KoriG@aol.com] A PC? Fan Of Howard Stern. ["sp00k@poe.org" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:53:02 EDT From: VR5SBloom@aol.com Subject: Re: sure you need to know about WBAR. From: VolcanoFem@aol.com >Subject: sure you need to know about WBAR. I don't know if you're directing this to me, or if you're flaming someone else who sent you private mail, since you didn't quote the message you were responding to. Sure sounds like me though ::P Anyway, I said in my post WB*E*R, and nothing about your station or your show. I've done college radio myself, so have many others on this list. sp00k has plugged WBER enough times that I don't need to know that they play Poe ;) and that's what I meant. That said, if Poe decides to do shows at universities at all, fight to interview her! - --Michele *and i found out where my edge is and it bleeds into where you resist why. does. it. always end up like this* - Tori Amos, "Spring Haze" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:26:50 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: cool e-mail from a non-AP Poe person... Subj: Fwd: Poe emergency!! Date: 9/25/2000 6:13:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: truant2002@yahoo.com (jennifer Truant) To: amato@poe.org (Amato), amber@federalregister.com (Amber 2000), comedown69@hotmail.com (Amie Nilles), KrodKnid@aol.com (Andrew), archi@poe.org (Andrew Archibald) > Hey there-- > > I got your name and e-mail address off the > Angry Psychos mailing list. I am a Poe fan and I am > writing to you because I feel that an injustice has > been done and I want your help to set it right. > I recently read a review of Poe's new album > "Haunted" in Rolling Stone Magazine. It was > apalling and it was full of lies. It made my > stomach turn reading it because it just isn't true. > I have heard Poe's new record (I got it off Napster > and will buy it when it comes out) and it's a > masterpiece. This reviewer must have something > against Poe personally because she's dead wrong and > she totally misrepresents what this album is. I > posted a message at RollingStone.com which I will > try to paraphrase here. > > The reviewer accuses Poe of using "tired old > samples". > Aside from a few really cool ones, the only samples > I heard were of her deceased father's voice which > Poe sampled from private letters that her father > spoke into a tape recorder before he died. I > listened to an interview with Poe on N.P.R. and she > talked about finding these cassettes and weaving her > songs around and inside his voice. What an > unbelievably brave thing to do, and then to be > willing to share such intimate stuff with the world. > . . with us . . .I could go on and on and on. > This reviewer doesn't even mention this part of > Poe's record in her review. Did she even listen to > the album? > > And then there are the songs! I haven't heard one > that I don't like. Not one! They take you on a > journey, that I guess this reviewer was just too > wimpy, or jealous, or vindictive go on. She attacks > lyrics without even mentioning some of the best > ones. > Here's a few in case you don't believe me. "I've got > the pieces here, time to gather up the splinters > build a casket for my tears." or "A terrible > thought has moved into my mind/ like an unwanted > room mate drunk on wine/ it feeds on my happiness > won't pay the rent/ I must take proper measures to > evict it." or "You've got a lot of nerve to come > back here/ you're not the only one who can smell > fear" or "A stranger in this world without you, is > all that I can ever be/all I know that's pure and > clear, you left it with me here/in this souvenir/ > this spanish doll." or "You may be king for the > moment/but I am a queen understand/and I've got your > pawns and your bishops and castles all inside the > palm of my hand." > > Again I could go on and on and on. I will listen to > this album for the rest of my life. > > I'm writing to you in hopes that you will go to > RollingStone.com (c.d.reviews) and post a message or > two sticking up for Poe and bashing that bullshit > reviewer. I once watched Poe stand outside in the > rain for two hours talking to her fans. It's only > right that we are here for her now. If you want to > hear the new album then check it out on Napster--I > have no doubt you'll come to the same conclusions I > did. Whatever you do though, post a message. Puh > leeeze. We just can't let this thing go unnoticed. > > A Very Angry Poe Fan, Jennifer > Truant > > P.S. so far I've only sent this to the A's > (alphabetically) of the list. If someone can help > me get it to everyone else I would be so grateful. > and feel free to e-mail me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:45:52 EDT From: Tinksweedie737@aol.com Subject: PR: This is what I sent to Rolling Stone - --part1_4e.b792529.2700db40_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - --part1_4e.b792529.2700db40_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Tinksweedie737@aol.com Full-name: Tinksweedie737 Message-ID: <42.b1ed82d.2700daf2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:44:34 EDT Subject: Poe Review To: letters@rollingstone.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 Hi. I'd like to tell you that the review for Poe's new album was a piece of shit. Did your reporter even listen to the CD? Did she do any research prior to listening to the CD? There is a lot of background to the CD and maybe if she had read something about it before bashing it, she wouldn't have bashed it so hard. You people are all slaves to the Britney/N Sync crowd... you don't seem to value REAL music anymore! You gave 98 Degrees a better review! Come on now! Poe's CD has heart, feeling, emotion, and meaning! It is by far one of the best CD's I have ever listened to and music is my life. You people can keep being narrow-minded and sell outs but in the end only the best will survive and Poe has survival power.... Brittany sure doesn't. By the way, every other review Poe has gotten has been phenomenal ... does your reporter have a grudge against Poe? Or is she just amateur and doesn't know music outside of bubblegum pop? ~An ANGRY PSYCHO - --part1_4e.b792529.2700db40_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 00 13:44:20 CDT From: SSpadowsky@netscape.net Subject: My response to Rolling Stone I felt the same as all of you, so here's my 2 cents for Rolling Stone: I find it irritating that Neva Chonin was so willing to write off Poe's new album (Reviews, RS 851). "Tired samples"? "Rehashed echo effects"? There really aren't many samples at all, and the ones used are an integral part of the album. And since when has reverb been a bad idea? I must also disagree with Chonin's reference to Poe as "..smart- smart like a fox looking to burrow into the MTV Buzz Bin." She must be watching an alternate-universe version of MTV, because they have never given Poe a great deal of support, and the new album has little, if anything, that Empty-Vee would be willing to play. Chonin writes with dismissive nonchalance, almost as if (and I don't think I'm going out on a limb) she did absolutely no research, listened to about thirty seconds of each song, and waited until five minutes before press time to write her review. Uninformed slagging of such a brilliantly constructed album is misleading, and unfair to the artist. When the RS staff searches for new writers, I suggest they look for folks who don't approach their job with the mentality of a college freshman. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:29:47 -0400 From: CathyS Subject: Review of Poe's "Haunted" (RS 851) I find it interesting that Neva Chonin rates Poe's latest release, Haunted, as "Fair" in the latest issue of Rolling Stone (RS 851). I just rated the album on-line myself, and found the following statistics: 70% rated the album with 5 stars (Classic), 20% rated the album with 4 stars (Excellent), and 10% rated the album with 1 star (Poor). More interesting, though, is that the album won't even be released until October 31st. How does an album receive an overwhelming "Classic" rating without even being released? Obviously, the word of mouth on this album has been phenomenal. Ms. Chonin writes, "'Walk the Walk,' has clumsy lines like 'I wanna walk to the beat of my own drum...'" What's so clumsy about that? Walking to the beat of one's own drum is a hell of a lot easier that walking to the beat of someone else's drum... whether you look at it literally or metaphorically. (Although I doubt Ms. Chonin would know the meaning of the word metaphorically.) Further, Ms. Chonin writes "Haunted reverberates with tired samples..." The so-called "tired samples" are of Ms. Danielewski's (Poe's) deceased father, from tapes she and her brother, author Mark Z. Danielewski, found in storage years after his death. How can such samples be "tired"? The only other sample on Haunted is a brief portion of the song "Hello" toward the end of the song "Wild." So basically Poe samples her own song and her own father on Haunted. Hmmm.... I don't consider that tired. Haunted is an album that deserves a second listen. Sincerely, Cathy Schott Loyal Poe fan for 5 years Proud to be an Angry Psycho for 4 years cathys@poe.org ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 00 14:41:00 CDT From: SSpadowsky@netscape.net Subject: Re: [Re: My response to Rolling Stone] God, you have no attention span..... or concept of spelling or punctuation, either. Never mind. You probably lost your focus after "God." Fuck you very much. "Ray Of Light" wrote: god ur really really boring Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: 25 Sep 00 14:48:15 CDT From: SSpadowsky@netscape.net Subject: Re: [Review of Poes Haunted (RS 851)] I agree wholeheartedly with Cathy. However, since r_light@angelfire.com is bored by people who are articulate, and actually know how to fucking express themselves, I will translate for her: like that is sooooo lame how can u say poes new album isnt good cuz its like sooooooo cool um wait a minitt what wuz i talking about o yeah um no wait never mind i forgot Glad I could be of help. CathyS wrote: I find it interesting that Neva Chonin rates Poe's latest release, Haunted, as "Fair" in the latest issue of Rolling Stone (RS 851). I just rated the album on-line myself, and found the following statistics: 70% rated the album with 5 stars (Classic), 20% rated the album with 4 stars (Excellent), and 10% rated the album with 1 star (Poor). More interesting, though, is that the album won't even be released until October 31st. How does an album receive an overwhelming "Classic" rating without even being released? Obviously, the word of mouth on this album has been phenomenal. Ms. Chonin writes, "'Walk the Walk,' has clumsy lines like 'I wanna walk to the beat of my own drum...'" What's so clumsy about that? Walking to the beat of one's own drum is a hell of a lot easier that walking to the beat of someone else's drum... whether you look at it literally or metaphorically. (Although I doubt Ms. Chonin would know the meaning of the word metaphorically.) Further, Ms. Chonin writes "Haunted reverberates with tired samples..." The so-called "tired samples" are of Ms. Danielewski's (Poe's) deceased father, from tapes she and her brother, author Mark Z. Danielewski, found in storage years after his death. How can such samples be "tired"? The only other sample on Haunted is a brief portion of the song "Hello" toward the end of the song "Wild." So basically Poe samples her own song and her own father on Haunted. Hmmm.... I don't consider that tired. Haunted is an album that deserves a second listen. Sincerely, Cathy Schott Loyal Poe fan for 5 years Proud to be an Angry Psycho for 4 years cathys@poe.org ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:51:37 -0700 From: AT Subject: NPR:BlondeHairGrl Chronicles Is "Ray of Light" really Xeno?Adding the numerical values of the letters in Rays name does not equal Xeno.Ah , who knows?Those who know xeno might recognize the style? I never had the honors of being xenoed.AT,who is still hurt at being called skanky. Ho ,okay .Skanky?Im working on it. wow you really really suck ......................................... Gee , thanx. Why do I suck? You dont recognise sarcasm when you see it I guess. Terry , (A)ngry (T)erry ................................. You suck because your a little bitch and i hate you Your a skanky ho and you deserve to be fucked up the ass with a 40 ft pole ....................................................... 40 feet? ouch. not to mention the splinters,maybe a condom would help. ............................. You are so lame. I think you are the ugliest, nastiest, stupidest person i have ever met and you are a skanky ho too ............................ Why do you say that? Did I offend you somehow? If so , How?? Skanky ,maybe so...but the rest?I dont get it. Im not ugly,nasty or mean. AT ................................ Do you just sit on the computer all the damn time.. You really really are lame ...................................... Umm..what are YOU doing?and shouldnt you be in skool?or are you every bit of eighteen years old? ....................................... OMFG u suck. Im 25 dipwad ............................. Dearest Ray, If you are 25 as you say,then why cant you articulate what exactly is your problem? How did I offend you so? All youve done is insult me, without even trying to say why. AT ............................. You offend me by being the person you are YOU PIG HEADED JERK. Get it? ................................. No,I still dont get it. You dont even know me. Ive been on this list for four years and everybody else does. You ,on the other hand,seem to be a quite recent addition.What the hall is your problem? ....................... My Problem I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM I JUST DUN LIKE U HOW BOUT THAT?? ................................ Okay , fine. You dont like me.I get it now.Have a great day. Terry ................................. Yeah u suck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:15:04 -0400 From: Adam Fontana Subject: Re: My response to Rolling Stone Hey Everyone, I'm only surprised by the fact that you expected something intelligent from Rolling Stone. RS was crap when it started, and it's just plain shit now. Adam > I felt the same as all of you, so here's my 2 cents for Rolling Stone: > > I find it irritating that Neva Chonin was so willing to write off Poe's new > album (Reviews, RS 851). "Tired samples"? "Rehashed echo effects"? There > really aren't many samples at all, and the ones used are an integral part of > the album. And since when has reverb been a bad idea? > > I must also disagree with Chonin's reference to Poe as "..smart- smart like a > fox looking to burrow into the MTV Buzz Bin." She must be watching an > alternate-universe version of MTV, because they have never given Poe a great > deal of support, and the new album has little, if anything, that Empty-Vee > would be willing to play. > > Chonin writes with dismissive nonchalance, almost as if (and I don't think I'm > going out on a limb) she did absolutely no research, listened to about thirty > seconds of each song, and waited until five minutes before press time to write > her review. > > Uninformed slagging of such a brilliantly constructed album is misleading, and > unfair to the artist. When the RS staff searches for new writers, I suggest > they look for folks who don't approach their job with the mentality of a > college freshman. > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:39:56 PDT From: "Red Halcyon" Subject: Re: My response to Rolling Stone The problem here is that RS does matter a bit... they're in a very influential position as far as most music fans are concerened. Most peole who listen to what they think is music only know about empty-vee, RS and Spin, and when they see the review, it'll be what they follow (most of them anyway). Nice example of how mainstream pop culture works. One brand of music sells big, it gets covered in mags, the mags go out to a ton of people, and those people go out and by that music according to the mags. Sad. Lee "Do your dreams come true?" "I haven't had a nice dream for years." - -Trois Couleurs: Rouge >Hey Everyone, > >I'm only surprised by the fact that you expected something intelligent from >Rolling Stone. >RS was crap when it started, and it's just plain shit now. > >Adam _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:41:08 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Fwd: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) - --part1_98.a90a4a6.27014aa4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/25/2000 8:17:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Krod Knid writes: << Subj: Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) Date: 9/25/2000 8:17:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: Krod Knid To: r_light@angelfire.com In a message dated 9/25/2000 2:29:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, r_light@angelfire.com writes: <> << Your gay >> That should be "You're", not "your". Better check your own ignorance before you presume to judge. And as far as "sucking" goes...I suck your pea-brained head out your asshole and bounce it off the pavement:-) - --part1_98.a90a4a6.27014aa4_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: KrodKnid@aol.com Full-name: Krod Knid Message-ID: <35.aa435d0.27014508@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:17:12 EDT Subject: Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) To: r_light@angelfire.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 118 In a message dated 9/25/2000 2:29:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, r_light@angelfire.com writes: << Your gay >> That should be "You're", not "your". Better check your own ignorance before you presume to judge. And as far as "sucking" goes...I suck your pea-brained head out your asshole and bounce it off the pavement:-) - --part1_98.a90a4a6.27014aa4_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:47:31 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: My response to Rolling Stone In a message dated 9/25/2000 5:31:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, emperor@garden.net writes: << Hey Everyone, I'm only surprised by the fact that you expected something intelligent from Rolling Stone. RS was crap when it started, and it's just plain shit now. Adam >> Wrong...RS resembled food when it started...now it is coprolite:-) For those who are looking for the dictionary now: cop*ro*lite (noun) First appeared 1829 : fossil excrement - -- cop*ro*lit*ic (adjective) ***************************** In other words, petrified dung:-) That is about as close to "rock" as they get at RS anymore. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:01:38 EDT From: LiveThruThisVow@aol.com Subject: Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) In a message dated 9/25/00 7:48:49 PM Central Daylight Time, KrodKnid@aol.com writes: << <> << Your gay >> That should be "You're", not "your". Better check your own ignorance before you presume to judge. And as far as "sucking" goes...I suck your pea-brained head out your asshole and bounce it off the pavement:-) >> Oh yeah and I advise you to watch the name calling, because on this list God knows who will get offended by it. ~*~ My life has been extraordinary, blessed and cursed and won~ Smashing Pumpkins ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:57:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Phidias Subject: Re: NPR:BlondeHairGrl Chronicles He sent me something saying I am a loser because I am not 31337. I am not sure in which vain he meant elite. I am a loser because I don't like people. On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, AT wrote: > > Is "Ray of Light" really Xeno?Adding the numerical values of the letters > in Rays name does not equal Xeno.Ah , who knows?Those who know xeno > might recognize the style? I never had the honors of being xenoed.AT,who > is still hurt at being called skanky. Ho ,okay .Skanky?Im working on it. > > > > wow you really really suck > ......................................... > Gee , thanx. Why do I suck? > You dont recognise sarcasm when you see it I guess. > Terry , (A)ngry (T)erry > ................................. > You suck because your a little bitch and i hate you > Your a skanky ho and you deserve to be fucked up the ass with a 40 > ft pole > ....................................................... > 40 feet? ouch. not to mention the splinters,maybe a condom would > help. > ............................. > You are so lame. > I think you are the ugliest, nastiest, stupidest person i have > ever met and you are a skanky ho too > ............................ > Why do you say that? Did I offend you somehow? If so , How?? > Skanky ,maybe so...but the rest?I dont get > it. Im not ugly,nasty or mean. > AT > ................................ > Do you just sit on the computer all the damn time.. > You really really are lame > ...................................... > Umm..what are YOU doing?and shouldnt you be in skool?or are you > every > bit of eighteen years old? > ....................................... > OMFG u suck. > Im 25 dipwad > ............................. > Dearest Ray, If you are 25 as you say,then why cant you articulate > what > exactly is your problem? How did I offend you so? All youve done > is > insult me, without even trying to say why. > AT > ............................. > You offend me by being the person you are > YOU PIG HEADED JERK. > Get it? > ................................. > No,I still dont get it. You dont even know me. Ive been on this > list for > four years and everybody else does. You ,on the other hand,seem to > be a > quite recent addition.What the hall is your problem? > ....................... > My Problem I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM I JUST DUN LIKE U HOW BOUT THAT?? > ................................ > Okay , fine. You dont like me.I get it now.Have a great day. > Terry > ................................. > Yeah u suck > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:38:10 EDT From: KrodKnid@aol.com Subject: Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) In a message dated 9/25/2000 9:14:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LiveThruThisVow@aol.com writes: << That should be "You're", not "your". Better check your own ignorance before you presume to judge. And as far as "sucking" goes...I suck your pea-brained head out your asshole and bounce it off the pavement:-) >> Oh yeah and I advise you to watch the name calling, because on this list God knows who will get offended by it. >> Yeah...spanks. I forgot about the cybercops:-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:02:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Phidias Subject: Re: [Review of Poes Haunted (RS 851)] I believe that is called a circular argument: "Poe is so cool because coolness is Poe." On 25 Sep 2000 SSpadowsky@netscape.net wrote: > > I agree wholeheartedly with Cathy. However, since r_light@angelfire.com is > bored by people who are articulate, and actually know how to fucking express > themselves, I will translate for her: > > like that is sooooo lame how can u say poes new album isnt good cuz its like > sooooooo cool um wait a minitt what wuz i talking about o yeah um no wait > never mind i forgot > > > > Glad I could be of help. > > > CathyS wrote: > > I find it interesting that Neva Chonin rates Poe's latest release, Haunted, > as "Fair" in the latest issue of Rolling Stone (RS 851). I just rated the > album on-line myself, and found the following statistics: 70% rated the > album with 5 stars (Classic), 20% rated the album with 4 stars (Excellent), > and 10% rated the album with 1 star (Poor). More interesting, though, is > that the album won't even be released until October 31st. How does an > album receive an overwhelming "Classic" rating without even being released? > Obviously, the word of mouth on this album has been phenomenal. > > Ms. Chonin writes, "'Walk the Walk,' has clumsy lines like 'I wanna walk to > the beat of my own drum...'" What's so clumsy about that? Walking to the > beat of one's own drum is a hell of a lot easier that walking to the beat > of someone else's drum... whether you look at it literally or > metaphorically. (Although I doubt Ms. Chonin would know the meaning of the > word metaphorically.) > > Further, Ms. Chonin writes "Haunted reverberates with tired samples..." > The so-called "tired samples" are of Ms. Danielewski's (Poe's) deceased > father, from tapes she and her brother, author Mark Z. Danielewski, found > in storage years after his death. How can such samples be "tired"? The > only other sample on Haunted is a brief portion of the song "Hello" toward > the end of the song "Wild." So basically Poe samples her own song and her > own father on Haunted. Hmmm.... I don't consider that tired. > > Haunted is an album that deserves a second listen. > > Sincerely, > > Cathy Schott > Loyal Poe fan for 5 years > Proud to be an Angry Psycho for 4 years > > cathys@poe.org > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:55:15 EDT From: Trueluhv2000@aol.com Subject: Re: picky audio stuff (was people please record stuff) who the heck is this r_light?? and why cant they leave people alone..how old is he/she anyway??? 12?? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:15:27 EDT From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: My response to Rolling Stone Frankly, I think reviews work more this way -- A review in a major publication such as RS makes an impact moreso from its mere EXISTANCE than its opinion. Meaning, if RS felt an album was worth making of in the small percentage of new releases it covers in each of its issues, then it gives the album SOME sort of air of value in the grand scheme of things. They feel the album merits evaluation. They aren't going to waste space on album they feel are intrisically devoid of all value - unless, say, it's the newest release from some boy band, which will asuredly sell 9 million copies in its first WEEK out, and the magazine essentially, like the rest of the world, MUST take notice of the damn thing merely because it is going to be in all our faces for at least several months to come, and just for the sake of sanity, "Uncle!" must be declared. (Also, "It sucks" is never an intelligent argument for anything, no matter how much it indeed may.) So ONE reviewer at RS didn't like the album. Big flippin deal. Not everyone can be as perfect and brilliant and insightful as we are. : ) And if they were, this world would be a damn boring place. Also, Poe would have to hold all her shows in venues the likes of the Astrodome. And let me tell you from experience, asside from being a VERY impersonal place to see a show, the accoustics suck in that place as well. KORi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:41:30 EDT From: KoriG@aol.com Subject: Re: My response to Rolling Stone In a message dated 9/25/00 3:00:15 PM, SSpadowsky@netscape.net writes: << Uninformed slagging of such a brilliantly constructed album is misleading, and unfair to the artist. When the RS staff searches for new writers, I suggest they look for folks who don't approach their job with the mentality of a college freshman. >> While I agree with the recommendation to make such a replacement, I personally found the writer's review to be QUITE substandard to the level of writing of even the most simplistic of college freshman writers. Maybe it was just my demanding "honors" English teachers, but if I had turned in such a review in high school as some sort of example of argumentative writing, it wouldn't have received a poor grade -- my teachers just flat-out would not have accepted it. KORi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:47:58 -0400 From: "sp00k@poe.org" Subject: A PC? Fan Of Howard Stern. Hello U PsYcHoS, call me a hypocrite, I'm sure more than a few of you have. Why do I find it so funny when Howard Stern makes fun of people, but at selective times I personally find what may appear to be similar humor on this list, to be offensive? Howard is an equal opportunity bigot, I think he would be disappointed should it ever be found that he has not covered the complete rainbow of groups, institutions, religions, countries, etc, and most importantly the individual. While he seems to have no end to his original insults for humans A through Z, he never fails to include himself or the ones he "loves" in the list of targets. Not only is he fair, but any media event he touches is a showcase and soapbox for diversity. I'm not going to go through the list of people that are now part of or have been part of the Howard Stern experience, suffice it to say that he tries to encompass and embrace the heart of the American spirit, while constantly bemoaning his own lack of a penis. Shock Jock mentality, as practiced on the AP list COULD be a fun thing... However, while some may defend the rights of an individual to say whatever they want, what good is the voice of one or a few, whose antagonistic message of hate, or ridicule, is intended to stifle the voice of the many? Just so we are clear, Howard Stern rips on everybody, including himself, while making god like claims, he admits he has plenty of faults. This is in sharp contrast to some who have posted to this list with messages of hate and ridicule for others and love of self. I always root for the underdog. I guess on a number of occasions I have allowed myself to be duped. Some may not think it, but I love to hear what other people have to say about issues and ideas of mutual interest, or not, and I always want to hear BOTH sides of an issue. Control? No, it's not about telling people what they can and cannot say. There are no controls on this list, no matter what gets said, bottom line, people are free to post whatever they want to this list. Unfortunately It has become just about impossible to tell what is a legitimate post to this list. I am no longer certain which AP's are here making legitimate posts, and which are here simply to instigate turmoil. Lets say 1% or about 5 people, multiplied by a minimum of 2 accounts for each, I'm willing to bet that at least 10 AP memberships are here for the purpose of creating havoc. I'm not saying this to be alarmist, its not a worry, or anything anybody can change, just a theory about the environment we all share. There are some people on this list that I know are real, one of them is The Masque, prior to the recent thread where we both shared space, I think we enjoyed better relations. I hope The Masque can see that perhaps I have had the wool pulled over my eyes, yet with thought I am able to see that there is more than meets the eye anyway. In other words I would like to apologize for squabbling over an issue that more than likely is nurtured in part by some who enjoy flame wars. I say this in public as it was a public post where I ripped on The Masque, psharyin I hope to see you back in chat soon. I have wrote often to this list, I've pissed off some nice people who tire of my rhetoric, yet it has never been my intent to be harmful, I have always felt that my heart is in the right place, when I hear the voice of hate and ridicule, and the only response is an echo of silence, I cringe within. My prediction for the long range on this list is expect much attempted chaos, for my part I hope I can do a better job than I have of realizing when people are serious, and when they are trolls. sp00k etc ... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------- Shes BaaaaaCK!! http://Poe.Org Visit My "POE" Place http://www.sp00k.com See What I See ? http://Go.To/Fairport Hear What I Hear ? http://wber.monroe.edu/live.ram 80K Feed ? http://wber.monroe.edu/live2.ram ------------------------------ End of angry-psychos-digest V5 #243 ***********************************